[000:00:00;00] of the military, now the main problem is to win the war and save these people , this is the main basic, in any case, when we will already know about the numbers during the demobilization, because the army will be there 200 or 250,000. to remain as such regular, we still do not know exactly how many people will be demobilized or how many people will be transferred, let's say, to training centers as it is structured. that is, we can now simply talk about the total number who can hypothetically be released and actually, under this hepatic figure, we can, we are now even talking about how much military clothing will be needed later , or how the military units should work later on to purchase products for the training period , because it is necessary to feed and equip people

. thank you for your work, what do you think about in advance it's really necessary to think about what will happen next. and to you tymochko, the head of the council of reservists of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine, i would like this practice to become permanent in our country, i apologize for the tautology of thinking in advance, this is the program of self-government. valevska then passes the word to her colleague serhiy rudenko. serhii i congratulate you with a word that i thank you, and after that we have the verdict literally in a few seconds glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko. today, march 2, is the 372nd day of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers. russia shelled zaporizhzhia at night . a five-story residential building was destroyed there. currently , four people are known to have died and eight

to eight were injured. another five people are believed to be injured. missing persons in the morning in russia announced the alleged infiltration of a subversive intelligence group from ukraine into the territory of the bryansk region into two forces bordering chernihiv oblast, the armed forces previously warned of provocations by the russian federation, and the adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine mykhailo podolyak denied that the armed forces of ukraine were involved in the attack to two villages in the bryansk region, meanwhile, the minister of foreign affairs of germany, verbuk, at a meeting of the foreign ministers of the g20 countries in delhi, appealed to lavrov to stop the aggression against meanwhile, the russian occupation forces continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of march 2, russia has already lost 150,605 people in ukraine in

the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 715 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 3,397 tanks in ukraine 6,658 armored combat vehicles 2,398 artillery systems 480 rocket launchers 247 air defense systems 300 aircraft 288 helicopters 5,257 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 873 winged missiles, 2,058 drones, 230 units of special equipment, well, in moscow, they admit defeat in the war with ukraine , lukashenko, e.e., is visiting china. well, in india , a meeting of foreign ministers of the g20 is taking place, and the minister of foreign affairs of the russian

federation, sergey lavrov, is participating in this meeting. we will talk about all these events and also about what is happening in the world around ukraine. today , during this hour, our guest is volodymyr ogrysko, a politician-diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, volodymyr good day good health to you thank you for joining our broadcast i congratulate you mr. serhiy good health and health to all our dear viewers thank you mr. volodymyr let's start with this unusual situation and unusual situation for us but usual for russia because today in the morning, the russian federation accused the armed forces of ukraine of the fact that a subversive reconnaissance group of ukrainians entered the village of lyubechany in the klima district of the bryansk region and allegedly died there in the water

of a passenger car, as they report a wounded boy in 2012. i am saying all this once again with reference to the propaganda media of piskov , when putin's secretary said that , in connection with the situation in the brest region, the president of russia will not go to the stavropol region as it was planned well, the ukrainian side , through the mouth of mykhailo podoliak, says that the story with the ukrainian subversive group in the russian federation is a classic clear provocation. provocations in the russian federation are the same without elephants. we remember when the russian federation organized clear provocations in order to later blame either the chechens or the dagestanis because they are waging war against the russian federation, and the fact that putin did not go

on the planned trip or did not take advantage of the planned trip to stavropol can we expect from the russian federation the deployment of this provocation and the creation of certain prerequisites for that big offensive there in the bryansk region , chernihiv region, and perhaps in the northern in the north-east of ukraine in the sumy region thank you mr. serhiy for the question well, i would start a little . russia is already in several regions, and the main question they are asking is whether this was the purpose of what they call a special military operation, so that we are now being shot at and

ukrainian drones are exploding in the suburbs of moscow. is this what we are talking about? dreamed is it new as they write reality well, this is a new reality. they wanted to get a result and they are just starting to get it. i want to remind you that it was not by chance that a few weeks ago information appeared that ukraine had successfully tested drones that can reach er thousands of kilometers does not mean at all that what is happening er is thanks to ukrainian drones, but they also excluded such a thing , well, in a war, as in a war, i'm sorry if you thought that they would kill ukrainian

citizens and not bear responsibility for it well well, believe me, we must finally say goodbye to this illusion. and you know, i will tell you, mr. serhiy, uh, i am uh, thinking about what is happening in the heads of this national population that lives behind the ledge, uh, and why it is like that, i came and i come to the conclusion that it is such because it has never been punished. well, if you take the history of russia , for all its crimes, it was practically not really punished in a normal way , and not punished evil - this is a repetition of evil, even if to take the history of this er after soviet russia, well, look at transnistria, georgia, chechnya, an obvious genocide, that is, what has been proven by all of us, again, georgia in 2008, again, then

ukraine in the 14th year and again in ukraine in the 22nd year . look, not even once, even during this time, russia was not punished, they were silent, they sighed, some concerns were expressed, but there was no punishment, but if we look deep into russian history, it is the same. well, we see what, let's say the culprits the perpetrators of the terror against us ukrainians in 32-33 were not punished captured finland, let's say, before the beginning of the second world war, no one punished for the fact that russia and germany divided poland into two parts , no one punished anyone, and so on, that is, you understand in the consciousness of this, i repeat once again the people , because it is called the population there is no other way. well, it is true that there are other formulations

that he simply does not want to use . he has a clear opinion that we can be killed. and there will be nothing for it. well, now it finally seems to me that a country has been found that will show what for any crime will be punished eh. and regarding this bryan thesis, well, you know. well, it is eh, frankly speaking , well, it is not so unreasonable and stupid. well, like all russian propaganda, there is nothing to say about it. well, imagine eh special operations forces are faced with a combat task, what can it consist of, it can consist of the destruction of some military object, in order to put an explosion in the same one, so that it later works somewhere in the destruction of some infrastructure, and here we

are told what turns out to be the purpose of such er such an action, on which a colossal amount of training resources is spent, it is a terrible risk. it turns out that the goal is to capture a girl and some hostages, and this is why you have to do all this. well, believe me, for of the russian population, this is normal, it will be perceived as, as, as, what happened, as the fact that ukrainian fascists continue to invade their native land, and therefore it is necessary to rise to a people 's war, actually. i think this is the main thesis that will now be used to the maximum and in the kremlin and around the kremlin, what now? now we have to grit our teeth, we have to understand that we will have colossal losses and

150,000 and 250,000 and 550,000 are of no importance, but we must rise to the patriotic war because the fatherland is in danger. all the latest things testify to my process . thank you, volodymyr, against the background of this, the meeting of foreign ministers of the g20 began and during this meeting , the minister of foreign affairs of germany spoke at the beginning of this meeting and said lena berbuki turned to her russian colleague lavrov and accused russia of paralyzing the work of the g20. and that russia should also stop the war in ukraine. well, lavrov, whom we remember at the ball, just in such a situation got up and left the hall and, without answering the accusations, said that russia

does not refuse serious proposals for negotiations regarding ukraine, but i do not recall that anyone called for a dialogue, kyiv said yes, that is, lavrov is still trying to put an equal sign between the aggressor and the country which is subject to aggression, and zakharova said that lavrov is conducting negotiations on the sidelines of the g20 in a noodle shop in india and says that india is a friendly country for russia, not friendly countries they defined earlier, we will hear from zakharov , the contacts already started yesterday, that is, outsiders on the sidelines of the g20 therefore

, it seems to me that the agenda of the negotiations and the principled position of the model on key international problems do not leave any communication in this . list of non-friendly countries, everything else is friendly, volodymyr, i wanted to ask you about the position of india, because the prime minister of india , modi, it was at the ball that he started talking about the war that is going on between russia and ukraine . carefully talked about whether it is necessary to end this war. so when we talk about the world's influence on russia and the world's influence on the situation around ukraine, we usually talk about nato, the united states of america, big countries, china, and india, which is also

quite influential. state in the world and economically, politically, how can india influence russia in this situation, it is clear that it is using certain moments there in order to buy cheap oil from russia, and yet, in this situation, what can india do , because it is currently presiding over the g20 , they want this we were successful here in new delhi. what depends on india ? well, of course, you are right, sergey. india is approaching the level of countries that depend on their decision, well, it is 1.5 billion. on e-e economy this already speaks for itself that she is important, that she must be taken into account and taken into account. at the same time, i understand that she

can't play any role on her own and most likely won't even despite the fact that there is well as they claim that both she and pakistan have nuclear weapons , but it is obvious that this does not compare with all the other powerful countries of the world , so its position is the same as the position of china. so as not to spoil relations with anyone and try to balance this position. it seems to me uh is actually not fair because she does not want to see the cause and effect of them and hide behind the formulas let's be friends let's live peacefully and something in that spirit, i don't think that this is a promising line, that is,

you can hold out for a while, but when the situation with russia with its aggression will finally break not in the direction of russia's interests, when everyone will see that russia will be on the brink of its economic and political collapse , it seems to me that at that very moment this kind of balance of interests between you and us will be after all, it is for the benefit of the country and the countries that uphold the principles of a just world in principle, which are laid down in the un charter, and that is why i do not think that in the end india will stick to this, that is why these evils

that this will cause enormous political and economic losses to her, but for now, while this process is at least uncertain for them, they still believe that there may be different turns in the war, they use this to at least earn and earn not bad because they and china actually dictate russia at what price to sell the same oil, they also demand from russia, uh, well, man , in other directions and exports, because if export to the west is closed, then only the eastern vector remains, and there uh, you can also wring your hands. so what i don't think that these conversations and this lady that you have shown are relevant, nothing auditory and did not say general banal phrases about anything, i don't think that it is about such a strong love and let's not forget that india gave up several very

powerful e-e projects in the field of supply weapons from russia, let's not forget that washington is working very seriously with the indians in this regard, not only in this regard, so i think that if we take at least a medium-term perspective, i think that india will change its position of this pseudo-neutrality and join to that group of countries that, after all, stand for truth and not force, because in the end , india itself can suffer from force. against the background of the meeting of the ministers of foreign affairs of the g20 , the self-proclaimed president of belarus , oleksandr lukashenko, pays a visit to pykin

and we saw how he greeted, now we will once again show xi jinping with his election to the post of the president of the people's republic of china, how he shared his experience of leading the country with the leader of china , dear chairman, dear friend of the belarusian people, first of all, once again, i want to congratulate myself with the greatest confidence of the chinese people in in my congratulations, i honestly expressed that i was very worried, although it was possible not to worry, but nevertheless, you always worry about your friends. and i want it on behalf of the belarusian people. i will congratulate my friend sidentin on his election as the chairman of the chinese people's republic and his experience. i know very well that just

such large-scale decisions are a lot of work that lukashenko wants from this friendship, and the analysts of the institute for the study of war from the united states of america say that in fact lukashenko flew to xi jinping in order to win the support of russia against the background of russia's attempts to absorb his country. another version is that he went as a courier between putin and xi jinping in order to agree on the supply of weapons through belarus to bypass sanctions for the russian federation, the americans say that lukashenko and salt signed a package of 16 documents that can contribute to bypassing such sanctions against russia by channeling chinese aid to russia through belarus, but we see that after the publication of the chinese of the so-called peace plan, at least two countries

definitely supported this plan, namely kazakhstan and belarus. kazakhstan has been playing with china for a long time and is actually under the protectorate of beijing, here friendship turns out to be so strong is between the two leaders, well, at least that's what lukashenko says, and russia is still grimacing about this peace plan , and they say, well, we'll think about it, we don't know, but the two leaders of kazakhstan and belarus have already supported all the plans. does this mean that kazakhstan and belarus are now finally focusing on china? is belarus moving away from the influence of the russian federation, trying to get rid of moscow's influence and takeover , as the americans say? well, you see, lukashenko has already gone too far to be able

to play back now, i mean in relation to us with russia, because in fact russia today controls everything that happens in the economic life of belarus. it controls what is called the military sphere, so it doesn't seem to me that lukashenka has real tools, how can it be played back, the only thing that really er can play the role of er certain such restraining moment - it is er the word all stutters er putin er and here i think that er you are absolutely right mr. sergey er you point out that some countries of the post-soviet space fearing that e-e moscow can really raise them under itself by calling well that this is a continuation of the age-old friendship of fraternal peoples to suffocate, so to speak

, in arms and this is precisely for this e-e and such an ego and lukashenko, well, we need some e-e, well, in relation to we, some elements of -m of such external er protection in relation to these er russian er attempts to finally eliminate the independence of kazakhstan and belarus, so i think that there is a certain point here regarding china's position, well, believe me , what's so small belarus for e-e powerful and chinese economy and politics well, it’s almost nothing, that is, i think what can be said about the role of belarus in bilateral relations of an economic nature with china

, well, it’s a comparison . actually, you can't compare these things with each other, because i think that on the one hand, it 's really lukashenko's way to somehow get at least political protection, on the other hand , lukashenko can always use this to say that i went to putin to say i i went in order to promote, on your initiative, the initiative for settlement in ukraine, and the chinese so-called plan is a lifeline and we can cling to it, although in my opinion, if so frankly, there is no plan, in fact, china did not present this what can be called a list of slogans, a list of uh-uh good uh-uh theses

uh-uh well, i say take the un charter from there and write it uh there are 10-15 points and the plan is ready, but uh, there is nothing behind it, i.e. we are not we understand what the preservation of territorial integrity means uh, the borders for ukraine in 1991 , or are these the borders that putin today declares as russian and which are already for them, they say, inviolable? the plan does not give any answer. that's why it's an abstraction, it's a formal framework, and if you put a full stop on it, then we won't move anywhere, it's completely clear to us, that's why i think that lukashenko is like a cunning fox here, he's looking for those who

can be with him, on one side, as they say, a barricade. and logically, let's not forget about this moment lukashenko, putin, sisypin, there are other comrades, they are brothers, they are ideological twins , i.e. exactly, this is how they see the development of their countries, so i think that there is a really multi-dimensional moment in this to the whole visit and i think that each of the experts you quoted has , er, a bit of truth in what they are talking about, mr. volodymyr, two weeks ago , the secretary of state of the united states of america , anthony blinken, stated that american

intelligence has data that china wants joining with the help of military aid is also lethal for the russian federation. the russian federation refutes this information and says that this is not true, if china still dares to help russia in this war. what will actually happen to the chinese economy, which is mostly oriented towards the american market or washington will have enough arguments to refuse such a step or at least stop or suspend it. well, it seems to me that this is my personal opinion that china will not take such a step. even the fact that you and i have just discussed how china might be looking for ways to help russia through someone, through third hands , through er, there is some lukashenka , or through some er countries in asia, this already

shows that he is afraid of direct direct supplies of weapons to russia like him. if he wanted to do it, he would have done it a long time ago and he would not have looked for any third parties from third countries who would become such a link, but selenka is always dangerous because it can always turn out at some stage that they are working there maybe on two sides and on this and on the other and give information to the world what a small scandal will mean, so i think that the maximum that a chinese can do is a quiet transfer to russia, well, conventional microcircuits of what, well, it is difficult to really control and what yours and what of the other it is easy for the parties to pack them in conventional washing machines and send them to

the civilian population and then to use these things for military purposes, but i don’t think that they can’t calculate the consequences but the consequences for the chinese economy will definitely be terrible, well, look, it's not only the position of the u.s., germany is already talking about it on a bilateral level, and other european leaders today reported that the netherlands is also talking about it in a personal capacity, so to speak and the fact that macron will be there soon, the fact that other european leaders will be there testify to the fact that they will discuss this topic in great detail with the chinese leadership and explain to him, so to speak, what it will mean for china the closing of the european markets, which is precisely what