[000:00:00;00] occupy everyone, let's start the third task of the express course, i know ukrainian, and this is already kropyvnytskyi, those who want to master the nightingale are taught here by an immigrant from donetsk region, the teacher was forced to leave by the april tragedy at the railway station, when the russians fired a rocket at a crowd of people waiting for the evacuation train, a colleague's daughter died, a 15-year-old girl just during this tragic event and we got busy 9 left indifferent settled the family in a dacha in the suburbs of kropyvnytskyi planted arranged with our hostess that she would harvest the harvest we will go home, and then they collected and preserved it and now we are already thinking whether it is already planting for the second season or not sitting and while they are waiting when it will be possible to go home lilia decided to contribute to the victory organized language courses for adults, for example, ruslo, stress on the last syllable, i think we spoke

russian before now i don't want to take an express course in a few weeks, three dozen of their students from krypnytsia have come and i'm sure there will be even more valeriy zabyrko inna bezugla yuliya babak ukraine marathon the only news i have everything for this hour i'll be back with news at 2 o'clock and now watch more precisely in a few minutes, literally watch the exclusive interview of the head of the criminal court, in addition to khan, who is sure that putin will be personally responsible for the war crimes of the russians in ukraine, do not miss the year that changed each of us , changed but did not break us, did not let us forget that there are people in need of your attention and support and there is nothing more pleasant than realizing

that you are useful because we are all volunteers who collect and who give who drive to the front and who feed our neighbors we will get everything for our fighters and with this, we have already caught the enemy and we are doing it at the call of the soul that the enemy does not have, because our people are our support and victory. together to victory, fight, fight, take revenge, because war is revenge for mariupol and bucha for the dnipro and stanislavsky hills for ayudag and every latticed roof for everyone rubec abroad the ministry of internal affairs

of ukraine is forming special brigades of the national guard, the state border service and the national police. these are elite combat units equipped with the latest equipment and technologies that will return ukraine, its land, eight brigades - one goal is to finally destroy the enemy with honor and no regrets until the last battle, join the guards , the time of the offensive is to return yours. thanks to the military journalists, i see the war from the other side of the video camera. we are in the positions of our artillery , we received another gift to russia. thank you for exposing fakes. the city does not surrender. our troops reliably hold the defense with you

. it is easier for us. they are very hot here, so that people could see the truth, they neutralized the paratroopers, and then the clean-up began, it is difficult and we know it, you are the real heroes of our ukrainian flag, it is under fire , but it holds on, we will defeat everyone and endure everything . all of us in ukraine want two things : peace and punishment for the war criminals who brought pain, suffering and destruction to our land, and today we will talk with a person for whom the punishment of war criminals

- this is not some fanciful idea, but daily hard monotonous work, this is in addition to khan, a british lawyer and specialist in the field of international criminal law. in 2021, he was elected chief prosecutor of the criminal court in the jurisdiction of the international criminal court in the hague to prosecute specific persons responsible for war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity between gypsies mr. khan it is a great honor to welcome you to our studio thank you for visiting us thank you for inviting me welcome to ukraine mr. karim for the first time you saw the crimes of russia with your own eyes in buch back in april tory then your press service published the following statement on twitter we are here because we have every reason to believe that crimes were committed here that fall under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court we must dispel the fog war in order to get to the truth already in a month you announced that the international criminal court started a large-scale investigation in ukraine , the largest in its entire history, since then

about 10 months have passed, ukraine has entered the second year of full-scale resistance to the russian aggression, we saw hundreds of brutal russian crimes, for example, after the de-occupation of kherson, russia literally destroyed everything in the city, the russians also bomb civilian buildings, shopping centers and other objects , so do you have anything to add to the words that were said then ? today i came to ukraine for the first time in march last year and i was already for the fourth time. i was in kharkiv, kherson, buch, borodyanka. our team has been here constantly since may, and i also visited the church of st. andrew in buch, and we see the place where the crime was committed. we also see

accusations of war crimes, illegal detention, imprisonment, rape, torture, attacks on hospitals, children's institutions, infrastructure, communal facilities, we also see joint work with the prosecutor general, mr. kostin, and we manage to do a lot, we have a significant post because of what is in the field our team is constantly present , but also technology allows us to collect data on tick, here on facebook we collect data from all so-called open sources, this is what humanity actually requires and humanity needs criminals to appear before the hague court before other international courts and for the community to see that all these

crimes are punished here in ukraine , also going back to that trip in march , have you ever seen something like what you saw in buch and what for you meant to see those terrible things. i have the happiness and honor to work all over the world. at the age of 3, i was in the radio before cancer when we were investigating a crime during and dilu gives that in rolandia i was in the former yugoslavia and also in cambodia i represented the victims of crimes. i have seen various ruins of various evils all over the world, but what we see in ukraine is a measure of its scale and also not only the russian federation, moreover, it is a permanent member of the un security council and constant accusations at a very high level, this

scale is unprecedented, one can say, since the time of the holocaust in germany , up to cambodian yugoslav crimes , our prosecutor's office counted more than 70,000 war crimes. we have numbers and we work together with them with the bravest and most courageous specialists from his office and they are trying to document various crimes, from those that i already mentioned for them, our jurisdiction was the international criminal court, this is genocide, crimes against humanity, and we are trying to use our means to build the necessary cases , submit them to the court, and if there is no case, we

stop the investigation, if there are independent judges of our court, it is considered, and considering whether it is right, we file it or not, step by step, you visited the kyiv region and examined the destruction of critical and energy infrastructure almost throughout the winter, ukrainians had problems with the supply of electricity, can russia's actions be called energy terrorism, what kind of punishment can russia expect, it should be said that the international criminal court has authority, but not the jurisdiction of ukraine over the country, at nuremberg, crimes committed not by some abstract organizations were considered namely, individual persons and these individuals are criminally liable before the court. we also have

judicial experts methodical way to ensure that to consider these crimes, if they are international or if they are international . if so, who is responsible for them? if we take attacks on the power grid and the like, this is definitely a separate issue that affected the ukrainian people and very significantly, legally, very clearly shows that it is possible to attack only military objects and not on civilians. therefore, we need to determine whether these attacks on substations or entire power grids are real, whether they constitute an international criminal offense or have such a composition, and then we investigate them more thoroughly to the end, of course such crimes

undoubtedly hm disproportionately affected people with disabilities and people with disabilities if there is no electricity there is also no way to pump water to supply water especially high-rise buildings and there are many different inconveniences related to this when the russians talk on their television about the destruction of the ukrainian energy infrastructure they claim that there is supposedly some military necessity in this, for example, without electricity, the trains that deliver weapons to the front line will not run, what do you think about this, i think we need to carry out investigations, it is not possible to attack civilian objects, the question of the status of the electricity supply should be considered very carefully in terms of whether there are any military advantages of such an attack

. this is a part of the military apparatus of some military mission. is it just someone at the enterprise that warms and supports civilians, we need to collect evidence, we have a thorough process for this, i already said i was there, now i will quote her, our leader, the president volodymyr zelensky announced at a press conference on the occasion of the anniversary of our sport that we cannot enter the territory of the russian federation and take our children by force. he also announced that in the spring of ukraine in lviv there will be a united nations summit with your participation. separate attention will be devoted to the issue of returning to ukraine. of ukrainian children forcibly deported from russia, what exactly is this summit for and how will it help in the return of young ukrainians? i think that this gives a reason

to make the spread of the movement in ukraine a big during such a war, in such difficult circumstances , the military defense of the country. the president himself and the entire leadership emphasize that the law is part of the current rite of passage and the rome statute that we have in gaza as the main document. we are very grateful for the invitation to the united united for the sake of justice, the very word itself, the very name of the speech, and this is the prosecutor of the international criminal court and the prosecutor general of ukraine and even the judges of the international criminal court, leave it to the fact that all over the world, not only in ukraine

, people are experiencing fear, men, women, children they are afraid that their lives will be crushed, that they will be wiped out from education, that they will use extremely powerful weapons, a large military force , and it seems to me that this is what we really need . even now, the bullets are whistling, and we need to think about what will happen next. what will happen in humanity , humanity, this is not an abstraction of justice this is also what children feel, even children who are playing with small little boats near streams, people who are sitting in the metro station, sitting in hiding places in different parts of ukraine should feel justice not only the international criminal court, the ukrainian courts, international institutions around the world must unite, rally, not for political reasons, not for political reasons, but

even for political reasons, my who wants to be for the father, brother or wife of someone who is guilty of genocide, crimes against humanity we see the most serious international crimes, we need to postpone politics and rely on fundamental principles, unite for this for justice, i will return to the words of our president. we cannot come to the territory of the russian federation and simply to take our children, what could be the mechanism for their return? maybe you already understand what it might look like, the point is that the law and the right must leave their mark . my job as a prosecutor of the international criminal court is to try to determine whether the rome statute is a crime

against humanity or whether they have been committed. is the statute broken and is there any evidence base? if there is no evidence base, we stop at that. if there is a basis , then we believe that there is a basis for asserting that this is an international crime, and we refer it to the court and appeal to the judges. so what will happen next, will there be any reparations, will there be arrests, if there will be a return of property or will there be a return of people, this requires unity, this requires ensuring that the law does not evaporate, these are not words that just fly out of the mouth and disappear, that the laws must be firmly adhered to, even if it is difficult to do and it seems to me that such a view weighs a lot now in ukraine, this is a turning point not only for ukraine but for the whole of humanity

, if we can apply the proper laws in ukraine right now, there are very few chances that we will later be able to apply the law and the law in other parts of the world. but if we succeed here, it will also spread to the whole world, to those places where people seek justice. in early december 2022, you announced that the office of the prosecutor of the international criminal court would start working in kyiv has his work already started and what are the main tasks of this office? we agreed that president zelenskyi and the ukrainian government agreed in principle that i should manage the office in ukraine. we have had a permanent presence here in ukraine since last may, and we

we have premises for this equipment and in the coming days we will announce what will happen next and what our next steps will be, so you can't just get the results and fly away, people have been working here since may in this office, they wanted to go to the front line kherson kharkiv bucha borodyanka we visited many places and we have to work with the general prosecutor's office of ukraine, with the ukrainian authorities, we have to give them advice and help gather evidence . we are observing and we are here together with the ukrainians and i am trying to do the same in other parts of the world in the rand of bangladesh, sudan, in libya, we, lawyers and investigators, must be at the scene of the commission

of the crime, and we also have to support the law as much as we can, somewhere as organized cooperation ukrainian and international experts on documenting and investigating war crimes against ukraine , how do you cooperate with the ukrainian office of the prosecutor general? i think i can congratulate the prosecutor general's office. we work very well with them personally with the prosecutor general. i had a meeting with him yesterday and today we will have one. the value of the high quality of our joint work cannot be overestimated from the lowest field level, so to speak , to the highest. we are constantly in touch with the ukrainian competent authorities, but we must also say that heroism and courage are not only traits of people who are being killed in the capital , the first thing to remember is those who are on

the front line at the front, i remember when i visited for the first time and we heard shelling very i was clearly in hiding even then, and the members of our office and the investigators remained in place, so we collected the best evidence. i think our partnership is excellent and we need to coordinate everything effectively. do not repeat what has already been done, do not do too much . coordinates our actions well. we are trying to work in a new way, not only between our office and ukraine, but also unites the investigative team

of seven countries there. also does the russian aggression against ukraine began in 14th year with the annexation of crimea and the invasion of donbas, in particular , not so long ago the district court of the hague issued a decision in the boeing sword 17 case, does this verdict have any significance for the investigation of war crimes today and what role does this verdict of the dutch the national court is a very complex investigation, ukrainian investigators , dutch, malaysian, and this is also what actually constituted the essence of this investigation . a crime against humanity is a useful value of the fact that it is such a complex but also a unified process and it seems to me that our position is completely determined by the national

system of the dutch judiciary there are difficult circumstances and here we find the truth it happened with flight 17, but also in many places in ukraine by many sons and in many cases. there were accusations that people were attacked. we have enough capacity, enough resources and enough dedication to the case in order to bring it to an end until he did everything that needed to be done both in the case of features of 17 and in all crimes here, if we talk about war crimes in ukraine for the period from 2014 to february 24, 2022 or annexation these cases somehow lead to today's investigations and if so, in what way, and it is very important

to say that history does not have a beginning and an end date, we see that current events have accelerated since february 24 last year, but there is no doubt that ukraine's three statements to accept the jurisdiction of the icc are 2014- 15th year and also we saw the events in the crimea. we were witnesses at the time. there may be a connection, but i don't want to comment in more detail right now, because i am focusing more on current events, but everything is connected. as they say, but we need to focus our resources, information, and the truth so that we don't get dragged into some

false stories related to false evidence , so that there are no accusations later that, er , something is wrong, so and so happened recently. the world is already familiar with examples of tribunals, for example , regarding radio and television of a thousand hills in urandi, despite the fact that the events in rolandia took place in the last century, the trial of the supersponsor of the genocide in uruandi, policeman kabulgo, started in gas only last year, he was also a sponsor of this so-called mass media, can sponsors and so-called propaganda clients of the russian mass media who sow propaganda in european union in ukraine and around the world worked as a junior lawyer in the 1990s, 1997-90, 1998 at the first such court proceedings when these

pro-palestinian moments were considered, mr. kabuga, his he was arrested because he escaped from the territory and was hiding. there were also other responsible people, according to the charter of the roganda court , as well as the icc, if it is proven that the crime has signs of genocide. then, according to international law , people who help or incite hatred they act as the pali wars can be responsible for the fact that they spun and led to the military development of events and to genocide, we see the second world war. it did not start with gas chambers

, gas chambers, it is already a consequence, it is already after people were targeted at jews in this case that they are inferior or inferior, say people with disabilities or other categories and people had to wear a yellow star of david on their sleeves and they were thus branded and tssed and persecuted later and we see other circumstances and the action of the islamic state yes called in iraq, also an expert on hatred, hatred of shiites and other muslim christian beliefs and, accordingly, communities , we see this malicious language, which is now called hate speech, and from such sparks the whole country can catch fire, how did this happen in roland, we see that they were called

cockroaches by people of ethnic origin here, and this created the circumstances when in one hundred days, only three months, 700,000 people from baltuala were killed and tortured, and this is our history now and finally in the 23rd year it's time to promise humanity that this will never happen again, it will never happen again, because we can see it from nuremberg , the slavs, leonerando gray, cambodia is starting , we must try to unite, wake up, and it's coming, the whole world is waking up from ukraine stand up against the ruins against violence light the cauldron of hope we saw a seeded russian astronaut and an american astronaut embark on a space journey together we

somehow have humanity to support in the world if we don't have it words cannot replace deeds we fly to the stars even through thorns but we can't come to an understanding on the ground and it is necessary that the red lines of certain and criminal behavior are visible so that they are defended by the law and that it is possible to punish the guilty . and this is what we are doing together with the prosecutor general's office. the whole world has no other options, the law is for everyone

, everyone is equal before the law. because if there is no law, there will be nothing but ruin and chaos. persons, we speak for the principles, the law clearly speaks genocide here . we cannot tolerate it. we cannot have any complicity or assistance in crimes. has power over others must know that even during a war you cannot execute someone just because you want to, you cannot hurt women's children, you cannot attack those who have already laid down their arms, you cannot apply to maternity homes, you cannot get into polyclinic pharmacies children's institutions and infrastructure facilities, everything must be properly inspected , there must be order, there must be a law enforcement system, and