[000:00:00;00] you go there, only the militants remained there, they just ran around the ruins of this en masse. well, they acted against the aa, so you and this , again, it’s all a lie, that is, everything that can be done, they simply did, well, the state of the russian army at the moment. this is what we see if in russia, there were others. perhaps in ours , we destroyed the entire system of army training and morale in general by involving these prisoners in the military cause, throwing them. propaganda, i watched it at the beginning of the program, well, it is obvious that it is obvious that there is no ideology, because there is no specific instruction , but there is simply no clear instruction, we understand

that we see that simonyan says one thing and rapes others, skabeeva says yes, they sometimes contradict each other, but there are certain moments because the main person who decides everything in the country does not give specific ideologies, so to speak. music. no patriotism there. well, why is there none of it? because there is nothing to build it on, because putin wants it all to remain in such a fog if you clearly say how the whole operation is, even if you clearly say that literally like this, here we have to go there, but he did not say that we should take it to kyiv in three days yes, he didn’t have such a thing, he constantly changes some, then he only has the liberation of donbas, then he has the closed sea of ​​azov, then he still has everything in

such a fog, so to speak. first, it is the nazi regime, then we have to negotiate , then again the nazis. first, they were drug addicts, then not drug addicts, well, roughly speaking, he allows that point so that he cannot be caught, roughly speaking, by the hand and said yes, you said to do it and you didn't do it , so to speak, now what is there to talk about society for their problems, i want that we looked at it very quickly now, because they, uh, right well, for the anniversary, i think the second time, they decided to pay off some ideology, judging by everything, this is the ideology of this concert to the plowmen, this is a concentrated solution to the expression of this ideology, and the key element is russia always fought against the measures, let's see, because this is the 17th year of the polish lithuanian intervention nizhny novgorod people's militia expelled

the enemy from the capital 18th year of the northern war peter i's victory over poltava and the russian empire appeared on the world map 19th year napoleon's invasion first patriotic the war when the partisan popular movement played a decisive swarm, the destruction of the multinational napoleonic army, napoleon's grand army was not more than half of the french, the remaining representatives of the 20th european states, the 20th century, two world wars the bloodiest wars in the history of mankind, the history of the seed is changing today at the beginning of the xxi century, we are again against the west, well, that is, this is what is known about their stories that the second world war

was fought against them all of europe, where was britain, for example, it is unclear how so it turned out that britain was already bombed in the 40th year. and where russia was fighting at that moment is not clear, well, more precisely , the soviet union, but this is also its ideology , which they are drinking now, not really, i don’t think so , it will be until they try, of course, but that’s all well, i watched it before , of course, but it reminded me of how they represented russia at the olympics in sochi, so all this is nothing new, in principle , yes. the great history of the great country, but what does the russian empire have in common with the soviet the union, except for the size and the effort to purchase it there in terms of species . well, there is nothing in common. in principle , i don’t know anything in common with russia before the time of peter and peter, well, that is, it’s all

so artificial, so to speak, so much it looks like the best, er, the best moment of the performance, in general, of the concert in luzhniki, which shows the absurdity, even the absurdity of this , such excited postmodernism, even i would say yes, russians, who are hard to pull on anything at all, this is usually singing, er, blood group, er, cinema yes, anti-war, yes, about afghanistan , everyone understood what this song was about. well, my older generation, when everyone understood what this song was about, and in principle, that's why it was so popular , so alive. it still lives, in principle, like going to a rally that supports the war uh

which, that is, that's all they have, they don't have time, they don't have clear goals and understanding , and what's good, the russian world is the main problem that no one else can answer. someone who gives it to a modern person, it’s just that the western world is bad, roughly speaking, if it gives them everything here, that is, they ah , the microphones are speaking, i’m sure they are russian, not of russian production, so they are filmed and 100% not russian technology, so they came to show the society today, no needed thank you, thank you, everyone arrived on the wrong side, as i say about the participants, it didn't work out, not about this bass player, and about all the actors who play these roles , so what, what are they? well, if the confrontation , i'm not talking about the russian, but about the world in general

, so to speak, it's easy to say seconds excuse me, please, it was oleksiy holobutsky, then we have to continue the simple conversation with our guests and talk about how the ukrainian society itself perceived this year, how it survived it, so let's continue watching this conversation . greetings to yevhen ivanovich this is yevhen ivanovich golovakha - director of the institute of sociology of the national academy of sciences of ukraine well, let's start directly with literally the most important question of the year and the war of russia against ukraine and well, how did ukrainians survive this year and what can you say about the state of ukrainian society as a sociologist after this year well, i would say so difficult survived not very well psychologically and physically well, but they charmed the russian state and the league of garbage collectors, they

hoped that they would be able to destroy us psychologically, morally and physically, this was strategy number two after when somewhere the ice did not took place but they must be very disappointed ukrainians really suffered a lot of psychological trauma and psychological and social stress and really if we take it as a goal we lost starting with the economy and ending with the life and health of our people but what is unbelievable about them is that the ukrainians did not taking into account all these difficulties, the problems of the loss

of e-e improved compared to last year on the eve of the war, their attitude towards the state and its political institutions significantly improved the moral atmosphere in society and the main identity, significantly, ukrainian identity, state, political, essential, rose up and how does it all look in numbers, but let's go, let's go. it's very interesting , it's precisely in the numbers that weren't there. which since april 1992

we started at the institute of sociology of the national academy of sciences in december last year in cooperation with the kyiv international institute of sociology with its we conducted this research through the survey network. what an interesting day, the results of this study are more interesting than what i recommended to pay attention to. the first thing is that ukrainians have changed their attitude towards the state. let's take a look at the data from november

21st, 2019, which are clearly negative. attitudes towards the state were in 44%, and moderate 12th, i.e. 55% of ukrainians had negative attitudes towards their state and there were 50 44 moderate units 12 and 40 and 55 but there were rough ones just five percent, compare 44.5 the difference is some kind of change and the same with the positive if it was in november of the 21st year , uh, only 7% of positive evaluations, 7% of ukrainian citizens had a generally positive attitude towards their

state, well, the professional situation and now 40-7% are positive. in comparison with those who have a negative attitude towards it, the same, in principle, they have never seen leaders who could. so, we have had this question for 30 years. are there political leaders in ukraine today who could effectively to lead the country, there were several cases when negative evaluations still prevailed, but evaluations, but there were small lists of such

leaders, well, it was the center in 2005, er , it was, in general, it was corals of presidents , then it all started to fall and reached such level like in november of 21st year, i’m fertilizing no, there are no such leaders, see 44% , there are 26, those who do not see are significantly outnumbered by those who cannot see , a quarter sees at all a leader in whom one could entrust the management of the country, which meant, not by chance, in our institute a monograph was published under the title of society without trust, ukrainians did not trust any political institutions at all and the same in

12-13 and we see the same thing in 21 44 do not trust 26 only trust now let's look at how it fundamentally changed december 22 60% trust, but only nine don't. well, you see, it's simple , i would say so. in the summer, there was an understanding that there could be an imbita in the country. and this is something good . ukrainians saw that they have real political leaders who can be among these leaders receive the highest evaluation first of all the head of the army of the general for and the president of ukraine zelenskyi is the most important - they receive the largest in principle, yes, ukrainians finally

accepted the state coins, is there really a state in the world like russia? this is such a reflection of a certain mistrust well to myself well, because no matter what anyone says but the population is what the state is made of, how things have changed here, very important eras of a person are in me - in my ability to influence my own destiny, this is a quality that there is the reverse of what we call fatalism, i.e. that you are told to live and everything that i go through life and that you don't do nothing will change and in fact if

you are a fatalist if you believe no matter what you do nothing will change, of course there is nothing in you no ideas about how and what you need to do to change your life and about even us to change something. and if why do something, if fate is your destiny anyway, well, that's right, joy , yes, that's right, this is one of the interpretations of this fatalism - it's precisely learned helplessness when we tried many times to create our own state and everything ended in nothing, so the ukrainians, living in this state of learned helplessness, they did not recover and believed that the opportunity to create now, although

a wonderful prospect was opening up , i ask you understood. kind of written what kind of life will she live in 2002 this is the situation 59% believed in what he wrote to the people that's what he writes and only 22 23% did not believe, that is, we had fewer statements of non- fatalists and 59% of fatalists, then those who believed in the test, you will not be able to do anything with your destiny, and already this year our situation has changed. i can't say that it has finally changed, but still, the situation is completely different among us. those who do not believe are already 40 from those who believe

only 35, so what does this mean that in our country now, fatalists no longer define the atmosphere of society, and the situation is still not such that we can say that we are absolutely dominated by people who believe in the possibility of changing fate, but there are already more of them than those who do not believe . what do you think? ukrainian society has it become more mature during this time? well, very often they criticize such, you know, a certain infantilism in ukrainian society. is it fair now? well, you understand infantilism . it was a natural feature of our society, because it was really very young. we practically

got out of the colonial situation when ukraine was actually, well. of colonial dependence on the soviet government. that is why we had to build absolutely on the whole society , practically it was only the people, first it was born, then it endured these hundred standards really well, i would put it this way er, the children's phase of development and i think that it is this shock, this shock that we first received on the 14th of the year, however, we received on february 24 of last year, they significantly changed the state of ukrainian society, i can tell you concretely. what does it mean that ukrainian society

got rid of soviet dependence on the 14th year, i.e. even before the 14th year , when we asked, when we asked how do you feel about integration in the post-soviet space, so when the idea that the post-soviet space needs to be integrated somehow can be imagined by citizens of ukraine, and 57 percent of us traded according to the soviet union, 50%. and it's not only for the cross, even my lithuanian colleagues point out that there are a lot of na- at the beginning of independence in lithuania, there was an overwhelming majority of those who

insisted on it, but they quickly got rid of this nostalgia . and there was a clear reorientation towards european integration, i.e. already 60% of ukrainians did not insist on integration with the european union after the soviet union and then 25%. 20-25 different polls would like to integrate in the yard space it 14th year everything now it is finally finally over, any idea of ​​reintegration has simply ended, now it is supported by only two or three percent, all this is just a complete break with the soviet. thus, it is all over , the idea will be returned. that is, it has become dominant, and

i can already see that these are russia's strategy will not change, but now in this war it is in principle. they are trying so much more than as if to drag it out and count on the fact that ukrainian society will be tired of the war, that ukrainian society will start here internal they will be able to do some kind of internal unrest there again, and what will this allow them to do, you know? well, to do something like that and a trick like in 2015, when they started to think that something could be agreed upon somehow. how realistic are these expectations in general, given the attitudes of the population that now there is no psychological fatigue and this is not only in the south , there is a rating group, it has developed a methodology for finding out about the stability of the population, that is , there are no fundamental changes in fatigue, and

according to our data, there is no such thing, but there is another there is a situation where there is some dissatisfaction with certain corruption cases. well, let's say what was connected with the purchase. ugh. well, there are different ones. yes, you can always find something there. so, this is a bit of an attitude towards certain politicians, let's say if we compared with may, then i have some decrease e- yes eyes yes eyes you know faith and prices activity trust i we in this case we did not look at least i far away from such centers in november i know what a reduction is a significant

selection namely evaluations of the government's activities it is still mostly positive evaluations mostly positive, but already they are not as high as they were, let's say in the morning, yes, that is, the basic basic stability still remains a rainbow but there are different opinions, the finalists told you , well, let me understand how you feel now, which means 97%, 95% believe in victory, what is it and only two-tenths do not believe in victory, i believe that this victory will be achieved in the next year, this is a dominant position, this is more than half, also that we will win this year, but i must tell you that in the

same may, the majority believed that in a few months are needed, that is, you understand, and now the process of setting up for a longer period is underway, here the ukrainians also understand what a terrible enemy they are, where they are not exhausted, this does not undermine the faith in victory, but the fact that the ukrainians may be a little more compared to the traditional one is a little more critical. normal, because they really know how to stimulate all our political structures and institutions to improve their activities, and this is very good. i believe that this is what defines a democratic country , unlike an italian one, because people here are not afraid

they are not afraid to express their opinions when my russian colleagues tell me that 70-80% of them support putin, well, it ’s funny to me, i don’t care about money, i don’t know them at all , because instead of the palace, this putin is running the country with just an autocrat. and this sociologists can't help but understand why anyone can't help but understand, and you don't have to understand the abyss into which your country is being pushed. and you still can, it's funny there in general, in the soviet union 99% all supported any nonsense because they understood what else the case is necessary they will persecute me too and you too are afraid to say good no, they are not afraid of the assessment in may, it is better now they are in something else

when they arise that we will win 97%. they believe in it, and believe me, they will stick to this position for a very long time and will endure it. although i understand that the losses are great, it is a great stress, great injuries. ready to adjust and still endure as long as it is necessary, because they are a terrible enemy, that this enemy is consistent, that his goal is not the mysterious mystifications, but simply the destruction of the ukrainian state and, with it, the destruction of ukrainians , they understand this. they know that he will have to fight this enemy as long as it takes so that our the country developed and existed, and they, the russians, can not hope

for exhaustion, and we can even see this from the way the ukrainians perceived the blackout absolutely patiently, they expected that the blackout of electricity would be one thing and a marker for ending one no in the conditions of confrontation with such a terrible analysis thank you this is yevhen ivanovych holovakha director of the institute of sociology of the national academy of sciences of ukraine thank you yevhen and our victory and the fact that our people are ready to endure all this as a percentage of ukrainians thank you i feel chained to my chair, everything is starting to annoy me

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