[000:00:00;00] similar, that is, in words, china is very close to russia, but in deeds, china is not very close to russia, as far as it is necessary to worry because it seems to me that the trade between china and the united states and china and europe is so huge that china will not dare to build bridges with russian trade, which i don't know , is 100 times less than the combined american and european new questions. they discussed all the factors for a few hours, so that there was a lot of fact-finding, first of all, china entered the game at this stage geopolitically, before that he tried to delay this moment, now he is still forced to do it because

he understands that after the war the next distribution in the world will come. there is no consistency, this is what the journalists said is the plan, in fact, this is china’s position, which is done in their style , that is, they, on the one hand, the journalist said that the chinese foreign ministry said so uhu well, well, i read yours and said yes, well, it could not, yes, be laska although there are no signs of a plan, it has rather the signs of a buffet from which everyone can choose dishes that are more delicious to him, and that is why the chinese want it so that the russians do not like it, and i like it , so that it is all so that the global south likes them they want to concentrate on their age the counterbalance of the position of the united states and its allies, well, such an obvious

game, moreover, it is positive - it is a position not to use weapons of mass destruction, and this is clearly sent by the kremlin's side, and the second is a position that they do not even accept threats, and this normal position well, the second one in terms of the atom is already mirny, and because you can’t blackmail with various man-made uh-uh, well, with such a hint about the zaporizhia npp, it’s also clear, the russians have not seen it lately, but they are doing such things there that it again sharpens absolutely attention the world to the consequences of uh and the seizure of this station. and by the way, i think that our actions here are not very active yet. at this stage, china simply made an application . he did not clearly state his positions. the main thing is that he did not name the aggressor-aggressor, that is, in in his understanding, these are two sides, somewhere in rivne, in our case, it is a neutral

position, after all, in the direction of russia, now everything will be focused on whether china will help putin, sycin. that is, you understand. military, what is there to consider from satellite systems. even if it is a chinese company in europe, against which the united states already opposes these chinese companies, this will have the effect of prolonging the war , the kremlin is counting on this, so they were not are satisfied that there is no more active position of china there, but everyone expects what will happen with the supply of aid , so i will tell you frankly today to tell you one hundred percent that china will not even help dual-purpose goods there, i would not. therefore , now this issue is at stake and the usa is collecting positions of partners in order to warn the chinese about the introduction of sanctions, probably about 700 billion of china's exports to the united states for such

purposes in the coming months, the statement about its impact on these exports is not enough in order to china has changed its position, that is, there is a very serious struggle going on, the consequences of which will affect, including our positions, so i would not say that we need to worry, as you p-vereson said , do we need to look at something? are now very serious in order to influence , well, with our partners on this chinese position. at the front as a result of the war to date. by the way, we can pray with china in the same way as we prayed with

russia at one time . you can consider that economic cooperation gets putin away from this madness , and it was. that money is not so important to him. like political goals , but here it is interesting that you said about these countries , about india, about brazil, about south africa , an interesting thing is happening right here, and it also applies to this meeting of the twenty-second such a meeting after the meeting of the minister of finance, the meeting is for cordo, by and large, and india and brazil from south africa do not want to condemn russia for the war in ukraine. the president of brazil, lulu , generally says that he believes that the west of ukraine is responsible for this war. the prime minister of india opposes the war, he said this publicly to vladimir putin, but does not condemn moscow for this war, but when it comes to the signing of the final documents of the twenty and at the meeting

of the minister of finance and at the meeting, it is from foreign affairs where russia is condemned. it turns out that india is ready to sign it, south africa is ready to sign it, brazil is ready to sign it, china alone is not ready to sign it, and it is not clear if the chinese need a peace plan, could it behave like india or brazil would be enough to block this decision. why is china so openly diplomatically on the side of moscow? i don’t really understand it until the end. well, the simple answer is here. because china is against the usa and india is not against the usa and brazil is not against the usa if it's just that if it's more difficult, china would still involve putin in this war to a greater extent if they didn't say that because no one has any doubt that putin went to the olympics , it's enough that they're intimate, they just don't look at the athletes, how they're ready for

jumps, that is, more you remember that there was a lot of discussion in the media that it would be bad for china if it started during the olympics, that is why it actually happened at the end, so i am sure that china, on the one hand, is wrong about the capabilities of the russians, which we told them about what will happen. doesn't want to be on the side of the losers, that is, no matter what, even the absence of the country’s surrender there, but for china the result is very important, how will it all end, and on the other hand, he cannot give, well, how do they consider the defeat of russia, which would be a gift before the election of joseph biden and the united states, therefore, there is a lot more. what is not clear, but china is a fact

, it misses a lot of its actions or even documents because of its strategy of confronting the competition of the united states of america, actually for the united states, as well as china the main adversary is not russia, i.e. russia - this is a mechanism for them and for the usa and for china , that's why it happens that china is playing a game for a long, long time. in china, this is their first time , well, i don't remember that they went more into tactical issues. they announced all the calls , speeches at the congress, and in the position document they talked about the cold war there, but it is impossible to repeat it, but speech he said about taiwan about between the lines it read like this and even directly taiwan will be ours and they think that this should be done in the coming years without delaying, therefore for them the game is not only strategic but also tactical and

a lot depends on the results of russia's war against ukraine on the success of dominance in their region so it's at stake it's not just china, the people of china are there, they have power at knu, it's zinkiv, who went to the next term, do you remember they gave him uh out, well, if the plans there were as before, after all, it went like this, under his promises, they gave him i have the power i am sure that the usa is seriously considering precisely the desire of china to go out and dominate and control taiwan because there are it technologies there, there are a lot of microcircuits there , and it is important for china to control the strait and from what will happen in the russian-ukrainian war , what will be the result why does china's position depend on the next well, it's a year or two, valery. look, if it's true, i think it's really

true, this position of china, ah, which sounds like a baba-yaga against america under all conditions, then imagine the establishment of any relations ukraine and china, well, that's n- i don't believe. if we have a partner, the united states and europe, and china is against the united states, it's obvious. well, i don't know how it is from europe, but then to establish any er opportunities, er, ukrainian, chinese or any what kind of chinese are all those who are for america, at least silently for america, they will not be perceived in china because they are enemies of china who do not play the chinese game, and china wants, of course, africa and asia to play its game, what do you say, well, on the one hand i

completely agree with you on the extension of ukraine will not be able to sit down, that is, in the nearest medium-term perspective. i do not see any other possibility for ukraine as allied relations with nato, the united states, well, in the european union, and the russian war against ukraine and the position of china in many ways determined our position, we will not be able to do it now, more than that a country with authoritarian tendencies. let's say that it is closer in terms of its standards to russia, it is closer to this type of country and not to what we are building in ukraine. here i am saying i hope we will build in ukraine because you know everything is possible, that's why i, for example, couldn't answer you like that. i guess you were there in 2000. for 9-10 years , when i worked as a deputy minister, there was one situation, and then they signed documents on strategic partnership about yanukovych and let them into motor sich. and they wanted to launch them there seriously as

lukashenko used to do it, but it won't happen anymore, it won't happen anymore, because even china's trade, trade relations and expansion well, if they still perceive trade as a mutually beneficial opportunity, it can be with him, then they have some serious projects they will pass only because of their geopolitical interests, that is why i believe that for today, well, for today, i do not see how we can simultaneously receive 32 billion military-technical aid from the united states, only aid , and yes, it will increase the influence of the united states, the influence on ukraine as at the same time, we can find a confirmation of a strategic partnership that is completely empty even at the time of signing , which was done because a traditional partnership is not only about common interests - it is about strategic goals that countries cannot achieve one without the other, as well as the differences and basic principles of interaction. without this, they are non-viable, not viable, and that is why i do not believe, of course

, i do not believe, just the factors that are happening right now. china does not make any signal for ukraine to change its position, so when we have well, even someone commented on this position in ukraine in a positive way, so it caused a whole discussion in washington now. is this not a change in ukraine's position here , by the way? well, the diplomat will say that it is necessary to find a balance of interests with everyone for some solutions, but it is necessary to understand that our closest partners follow our every step very carefully, well, on the other hand, china is not in a hurry to invest in russia either, if only there were all these famous large strategic projects of high-speed railway construction, well, i also met with chinese experts and officials, and they are very skeptical considered the possibility of continuing these projects long before russia's war against ukraine, the power of siberia is being built, but gas is not particularly

supplied, and many such examples can be cited. well, you know, we have it too even under the current government, chinese investment in road construction was proposed there, but the chinese work in the same way. i was once at a meeting when they proposed an investment project. well, as a consultant, the chinese said it meant a minimum of 3 billion dollars, and under the full guarantees of your government, it concerned the construction of an entire aviation hub, that is, in in principle , i can definitely say that they subordinate each of their big projects to their geopolitical interests. you can't take chinese money and just like that, then well, i i say once again that it is impossible to sit on this stretch. maybe when we will finally decide on a security umbrella

. well, i emphasize once again that i do not see such an umbrella so far , except for joining nato or at the intermediate stage of signing an agreement with a nuclear power, allies such as the united states or there together with britain france with the united states, and the chinese on the contrary - this is unacceptable, they oppose it, that is, now china actually opposes our strategic goals in security, more or less, our positions here radically diverge, and i believe that now the moment in the world is such that the security issue has come to the fore if the country does not protect people from so that there is protection , it is not possible to develop any trade relations, therefore security is the first and therefore our first interest is nato, the eu, the usa, and china as a trading partner. if we manage to do it, well, glory by god, but at the next stage we will now have our belarusian colleague . and before that, i would like you to tell us what

you think about lukashenko's trip to china , why is he a synten? control in belarus, well, the occupation by russia, he saw a very serious threat came to finally remove him from influence , the second - this is a matter of him personally, his family and closest people are already on the titanic, he does not want to train together with putin, therefore he is already starting to consider it, and the third is to show that he is still traveling somewhere , that he is still accepted somewhere and treated seriously somewhere.

european radio is with us now. good health, how am i? by chance, it happened that i had to come to such a hackathon, and belarus is a good picture for television, dude, a good picture, well, you know , we have already started with you, i can make a picture for you of what is here with me is located in the belorussian voypol organization - this is the one that is in principle involved in this terrorist attack, so to speak, here is aleksandr azarov, and if he is with me, then we are there , we can join us, it is nice to deal with such a person as with you and with him so that please, now i'll give him one earpiece. and here is alexander azarov, er, vital portnikov espresso, mykola, we congratulate you, mr.

alexander, good health, if so , let's start with the airfield. azarov, look, but still, on this litovitch, which everyone is talking about there , and such exploded. this plane is damaged. this plane , uh, or vice versa, no one got anywhere, everything , everything according to the official authorities of belarus, there is no no damage there, everything is fine no, i didn’t repair it, i can’t, i want to, they changed the paneling, they changed the reinforcement, which allows the muzlit to eat, and he flew to the er-e , so the utoganhorn is ramony.

in dear died in taganroge this is exactly yes it is about the plane it is about the king of the kingdom plane and please tell me do you have any opportunities to do such things in the future i say do you have any opportunities they have music do you have any opportunities in the future to do such things measures of influence to influence so to influence so of course this is our work and we will be engaged in such a way provided and while the belarusian belly is from the russians from the regimes of lukashenka then one more question to the same and what do the air force or anti-aircraft forces of the belarusian state do at such moments yes at such moments when i saw that it was just flying around lithuania

and filming everything, i thought, well, this is something absurd . it’s not possible, but we can see that it’s possible thanks to you. the belarusian military will be involved in the war, lukashenko calculated, but they can’t give out what they can, mr. oleksandr , just look at the remote control. rostovana district don, can you confirm that russian troops are really starting to move from belarus, the plane is going there, to the district

, that road, is it, is it something , a tv channel, what are you talking about? studied in the belarusian er regions well, now let's go back to lukashenka without him, our famous diplomat says that the worker about the car, something stuck my earpiece, eh, not tents, so use one now, i can say it's a live broadcast, yes here

everything is possible everything is possible but the left now i am trying to change you to lady eh ilinochka i will ask god to ask them questions and you are listening to him while everything is restored then we will answer you will answer our diplomat says that and among other things the visit lukashenka is connected to beijing in order not to fall into dependence. and in order not to fall into full 100% dependence on russia and to have a shelter, that is, to be able to hide in china in the event of russia's defeat in the war with ukraine and the overthrow of the regime of lukashenka himself and he then he will run away to china and live there with his family and so on and so on and so on, what can you say to that

? i listened to what the owner valery chalyy said . eh, two people, so to speak, kera ukrainka ukrainka or lukashenko can still be said to be the leader of the country, but lukashenko was also supported by the peace plan, which the chinese promoted, and here it is worth noting that the last two countries, you and i , are russia. the kremlin could, about the operations of their a-a, the kremlin in this fall, one corporation to this er-e own a-a will hesitate, but with support of the peace plan of china, what would it be the alleged peace plan a-a allegedly ion and where it is managed on that что so, well

, it's not as simple as you can see with the settings well what are you going to do, you don't give up, well, there will be a lot of things, we heard his invitation. i think this is a useful conversation, at least we can see the faces of those people who can really do what putin did not expect , today this adviser on the fight against terrorism held a meeting, maybe he did not as much for the bryansk region as for such things as machurishi, because you know that , it's a whole plane. it's one thing. someone didn't cross the russian border there, took a picture near some medical center there in the depths of the bryansk region, and another thing is when it can be destroyed literally at the belarusian airfield, a russian plane that is needed for these, the same must be said right away, it is needed in order to bomb our country . yes, please. we

already have it. please continue. still on a-a more in favor of russia but none the less, i didn’t hold back, no , i’m trying to do it today. putin is the one who is talking about a-a comrades, and it actually means that i and a-a have become the god of china that china is for them and for lukashenko and others for such a person today poland is an important patron bolshe vazhnoe er-er the state behind which i do not want to hide and as the owner er-er valery rightly said, still er-er lukashenko is very afraid of the fact that russia can a-a as such a consolation prize having received it's good for the teeth in ukraine to take and interpolate it will deepen the integration of belarus to such a degree that independent lukashenko is unnecessary and she doesn't want

to be a governor in the northwestern region, but still ah the red flag of an independent country and that's why he's looking for silence, where to hide, and what's behind his back, and he wants china to pull him out of putin's pocket . well, of course, i think that lukashenko didn't go anywhere, and he still does. with an outstretched hand, he is asking for money, and here is supposedly such information that we agreed on a grand deal there, er , there are such agreements for several billion dollars a-a but who will you be, er, the most important thing, in principle, lukashenko, i think he asked for money well and uh, he tried to jump out of the decline of the kremlin's influence, see another question well about a week ago, it became known about this plan of the corporation

, it is so gradual, something up to 24, something in 20, somewhere in the sixth year , something in the 29th year. the people of belarus are ready for such incorporation by will, gradually , as we now know , the kremlin and putin want to go, ah, well, on the matter itself. the plan and about it more than once they said a few years ago that this was a known plan, but now it’s all over again , and the actors have blocked it and gathered, uh, here it is with several points , as i already said about the fact that moscow has all the roads, there is great interest in how this plan worked, uh-

as a consolation prize for once in ukraine in front of his russian electorate lukashenka goethe definitely does not like the plan, although the first initial menami and ion was the initiator of the actual such plan as he was at one time the initiator of the creation of the so-called union the states of belarus and russia, this is his initiative. but where did he hope in the 1990s that the president of russia was not used and the unity in belarus was not used, and now it is definitely clear to him that the presidential chair of russia does not shine and he will execute his position here in belarus and he also does not want to want belarusian elites, of course, they are absolutely uh-uh different when it comes to gogolo . and it is possible to say that elites will penetrate in belarus

, but none the less, the high-ranking leadership is definitely divided. that there are the most such supporters of the russian world in the power structures, starting with the military and more than all of them, about the root structures such as the militia, the glubasika, and all of the kdb , and all the latter, that is where the most pro-russian people are. when talking about the military , who is the majority of the military generals graduated from the russian higher military academy of moscow, and by no means i am not all pro-russian and ah-leading march general russian pensioners. and if we talk about other officials, there are

those who are supporters of an independent belarus and you are the one who doesn't care a-ah and here the moment will definitely work. what will you send the oppressor of ukraine to this war? how will the liberation from the russian and lukashenkov occupation of belarus look like quietly ? this will be a peaceful way for everyone gradually. there will be a repulsion of imyak after kalinovsky, conditionally speaking, belarusian volunteers from ukraine with weapons in their hands will come to belarus and liberate belarus, and this is a scenario with everything else, because if there were no whites there, belarusians are very, very afraid and do not want war, all the more a civil war and the threat of a civil war, that knee will be mystical and hypothetical, the elites can pay for the vacuum of lukashynka. well, who is the closest of lukashenkov's entourage, who will take his place