[000:00:00;00] of russian troops and the course of the war shows that views on the liberation of crimea have changed, not only in ukrainian society, but very importantly among our partners, e.e., who have united around ukraine, if at the first founding meeting of the crimean platform it was discussed that the liberation of crimea will be reflected in the peace dialogue with russia, such a sentence was in the declaration that was signed by the members of the crimean platform at the time and because it was a demand of some of our partners. now, at the second meeting

of the crimean platform on august 23, 2022, everyone without excluding the participants of crimea, the forms emphasized that the restoration of the territorial integrity of the ukrainian state will take place through the victory of the russian-ukrainian war, and what do you mean by victory, for example , consultant valery zaluzhny, mr. nazarov said that he did not excludes the possibility of peace talks between ukraine and russia after ukraine will be able to purchase certain territories . be isolated and then they can return. i understand diplomatic methods, right? well, now

it is very difficult to predict the course of all the events that will take place during the war. besides, it is the strategic key thanks to which all the occupied ukrainian lands will finally be liberated, that is, they predict that the liberation of crimea will take place before the liberation of territory in the east of ukraine at which level negotiations will be held and whether they will be held will depend on many factors, including those that will take place directly on the territory

of russia itself, well, let's say, i do not rule out that i am under pressure at some stage after the victories of the armed forces of ukraine, there may be all the changes in the military and political leadership of russia in moscow, disorientation will begin in the leadership and they will ask for negotiations, it is possible and listen to what you know about the alleged partisan movement in crimea, which allegedly is waiting for such a certain retribution from the armed forces of ukraine. we mentioned before starting a conversation with you about such a video message from the alleged movement a. also, we cannot say for sure that these are the representatives of this partisan movement. but maybe you can give us a- and to bring a little clarity here. i avoid commenting on such events, but uh, phenomena that exist in real life and they are caused by uh

, well, war, because uh, uh, uh, it will not be justified , and including from my side, i am the only one that i can agree absolutely here to agree with mr oleksiy danilov is the secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine because there are hundreds of thousands of ukrainian citizens on the territory of crimea who are waiting for the liberation of crimea and i understand that their behavior will change dramatically as the armed forces of ukraine approach the administrative borders with the occupied crimean peninsula i know this for sure and we will see it in the course

of the war. do you have any information that the provinces could start fortifying the beaches, allegedly fearing the landing of the ukrainian landing force by sea, at least there is a video on social networks that was probably taken on the beach in yevpatoria, you can comment on it, here we have a lot of information about the construction of partition structures in the north of crimea , steppe areas and in the west of the crimean peninsula, where many many military facilities , in particular anti-aircraft missile complexes, from where rockets are fired at the mainland of ukraine, and this is the fortification of the partitioning

construction of partitioning structures, it has already been going on for months in open public places that e-e operate in crimea, advertisements are placed for the recruitment of workers e-e, the daily sums are indicated so that they will be paid for these works. therefore , one of the e-e open actions of the russian occupation authorities in crimea is really the construction of such fortifications and, moreover, local the occupying power is doing it so defiantly, there were several videos of the local gaguly, yes, aksyonov with reports to the dictator putin about what they said certain terms will be

completed, so russia. i don’t know why they are doing it. it seems that they remained well anyone can get the impression that they stayed somewhere during the second world war and are expecting an alleged frontal offensive by military forces in the crimea, but it seems to me that they are doing this more to strengthen the mood er er and like crimea and it is also possible because the loss of crimea for er russia and especially for the dictator putin will be the final point after which the disintegration will really begin, not only not only the moral

mood in russia is, but i feel that loss of e-e will the liberation of krivo by the armed forces of ukraine begin the territorial disintegration of the russian federation, that's why they attach a very important importance , well, the measure is supposedly to those who will help them defend the crimea, but chabarov, how can those in the crimea who do not wait very long count on this on the return of ukraine, aren't the construction of these fortifications? on the contrary, don't they make these people think that crimea is probably not the safest place and it was worth leaving this peninsula, well, in different ways, you are absolutely right the more preparations are made for keeping crimea under control, the less trust there is in such actions, because no matter how locked up the russian population or the colonists

who settled in crimea are, they also have thousands of reasons not to trust to putin's own power, in particular, and that's why a part of the population can really perceive this as a sign that it is necessary to leave the crimea, but for a part of the population, it continues to work here, it's difficult for me to say, but i am just me, i am thinking about the fact that the least of all to get out of the trenches in the crimean steppes or uh, such special uh, but uh, fire uh, fortifications on the beaches of uh, on the shore of the black sea, they can stop rockets and uh, and

projectiles uh, of ukrainian high-precision weapons, well, it's hard to say, but what they are they do it defiantly and openly and show how they are consolidating themselves in crimea. this is absolutely true. this is also confirmed by our monitoring and mass media of the russian occupiers. well, in fact , we have already talked about this several times on our airwaves , that is, it is true that the authorities russia does not try to hide the fact that crimea is designated by russia thank you very much for being in touch with us, we discussed the prospects of the de-occupation of crimea with refat chubarov, the head of the forest of the crimean tatar people in the de-occupied kherson, international investigators discovered 20 cativels that were financed from the russian state budget .

for the first time in 20 years of work, they see that torture was so planned . he said this in a comment to george's important stories. george also notes that the group of investigators managed to find evidence that the network the torture camps were financed from the state budget of the russian federation, and the torture sites themselves were managed by various structures, either the fsb, the russian military , or local collaborators , for example, according to the information of the mobile justice group , the head of the kherson region, or rather the occupied part of the kherson region, volodymyr saldo, who was appointed by russia to investigate these and other alleged war crimes by russia, ukraine calls on the international community to establish an international tribunal to bring to justice not only the specific perpetrators, but also the leadership of those who allegedly gave orders about this spoke today in lviv and the president of latvia, let's listen to the criminal court, of course

the international court of justice plays an important role in the form of gathering evidence in the commission of certain crimes, but it is also important to consider the crime of committing aggression. legislation, but there is no court that has a mandate to consider the relevant crimes, that is why there is an urgent need to maintain the already achieved level international law and its observance, it is necessary to ensure the creation of an international court that would consider these issues. volodymyr zelenskyi previously announced the so-called legal rammstein for such a summit in lviv, to which the prosecutor of the international criminal court karim khan and many others will be invited and have already arrived in lviv. leaders of various institutions and international organizations to discuss, in particular, not only the possibility of creating a tribunal on aggression, but also a tribunal on

sexual violence and child abduction because that's what zelenskyy said during the press conference on february 24, what exactly can change new evidence about the organization of death camps in kherson and whether it is possible to bring russia's leadership to justice for alleged war crimes, we will talk about it further , oleksandr pavlichenko is already in touch with us executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights good evening, let's start with this conclusion of international investigators, what do they tell you about their conclusions mobile groups of justice about e-e found 20 cats such a network of torture chambers in kherson and what were probably organized. well, it was not a self-action, so to speak, of the troops that came to ukrainian soil, but it could have been organized directly from moscow, eh, first of all, i would probably make a reference to the fact that there is nothing new here, and actually we documented

such eh places of deprivation of liberty where i was not only tortured since 2014, and i can just take a brief excursion into the past, this is the sbu pretrial detention center in the sbu premises in slovyansk, where they were tortured, and we know the first killed back in april 2014 volodymyr rybak yuriy amendment with cruel traces of torture that were later found on their bodies i will remind you of the crimean tatars who were killed in the same way at the beginning of the occupation rishata armetov with cruel traces of torture and these tortures took place in various places, of which there were dozens installed on the territory of only er uncontrolled or temporarily occupied territories in the donetsk

luhansk regions, and starting from 2014 , that is, this practice is simply transferred and continues in the occupied territories in the same kherson region in kherson, as a rule, these places are set up in such, let's call it, institutional places that belonged to the department or the national police or other law enforcement agencies, sometimes it's just uh, somehow we see now on the video these are basements which were used for the purpose of imprisoning persons simply as places for, let's say, illegal places of deprivation of liberty, because, to sum it up, there are legal places for the russian federation to deprive of liberty

there are no ukrainian citizens and their stay on the territory of ukraine is in itself a fact of crime, the fact that there are such a number of places. well, there are 20 of them, or 40, it’s a different situation, as you understand, at least 20, that’s exactly what was discovered, yes, yes because such places could be spontaneous , they could be in the basement of any private house there or in a house in general. even this there were signs on the streets of non-svoboda places where people were hidden for the night and people who were detained what happened with the opening of such places in kherson. i think that this will be just another added a-a factual base

of committed crimes crimes with relevant evidence, because there was also a question of directly interviewing people who were in these places of non-freedom, and it is worth establishing how many people passed through these places of non-freedom. although this information is accurate, i think that it will be very, very difficult to achieve it less uh it is necessary to work on the establishment of each of those who are considered missing or missing or those who were deported to the territory of the russian federation . was able to bring out the same convicts there, about two and a half thousand people, and they were also subjected to cruel treatment and torture while in those places of freedom. therefore, this is another fact

of the commission of a war crime, and accordingly, he must also be properly registered under investigation, and it is being investigated , and then legal action is being taken to bring responsibility. from moscow, they were probably allocated funds from the state budget of russia, is it possible ? thus, this criminal process will lead this thread to those who gave orders, possibly to the highest levels of power in the kremlin, it is quite possible the fact is that there is very simple logic here, all the places are not freedom, they are financed by the russian federation, and even those that were in, say, donetsk luhansk , occupied since 2014, they were also financed by the russian

federation, etc. we work with those who are there, respectively, during the large-scale invasion of the russian federation, for example, in the same donetsk pre-trial detention center , which is another place where ukrainian prisoners of war were tortured, that is, there are no such places here there are dozens of freedoms in the territory that today is ukraine ’s de facto de jure ukrainian territory de facto it is under the control of the russian federation and the occupiers and spontaneous places of non-freedom are formed in these territories and you can also call them conditionally institutional, the same correctional colonies as the 20 correctional colony in olenivka, remand cells , temporary detention cells, separate buildings, like

police stations, what we saw in a very large number on the territory of the kharkiv region , it is, so to speak, a customary practice of the occupiers and mr. pavlichenko, right now, at this very moment, i understand that united for justice has already started in lviv. the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, is there. he has already met with the prosecutors of those countries that actually help ukraine document the crimes of the russian federation on the territory of ukraine. i understand that the preparation is in full swing. before the creation of the tribunal, that's all you have to expect from this summit, which, by the way , the ukrainian authorities call a kind of legal rammstein from the rammstein format when it comes to the meeting of defense ministers, well often, journalists and the military expect some very specific decisions on the provision of equipment, but if we talk about legal issues, should we expect any specific decisions on the possible formation of a special tribunal regarding the crime of aggression, in particular, which

ukraine is asking for? i think that today's - and the meeting is, in fact, a kind of e-e stage a-e in the formation of e-e, first of all, this new tool of prosecution, which should become a special court on aggression issues e it is very difficult let's say yes, we see the procedure, mr. karin ham, who came to this meeting, and it is primarily related to the already existing mechanism .

it does not fall under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court under the conditions of the large-scale war of russia in ukraine . ah ah it was initiated by ukraine by a number of states whose representatives are present at this forum, and certain diplomatic and appropriate political decisions and successes have already been reached regarding the approval of the concept in general and the need to create this tribunal at least at the level of european institutions, i will remind the council of europe the european commission and the european union considered this issue accordingly and at the level of their parliamentary delegations they approved the relevant resolutions with the er, let's say

, confirmation of their readiness to create such and even a call to create such an instrument, accordingly, today's forum is a kind of e-e step for the next steps, i remind you that now there is a very important question regarding the inclusion of e-e the maximum number of states, the adoption of this decision at the level of e-e voting by the general assembly of the organization of the united nations in order to endow this newly created instrument with the most powerful mandate , thank you. to form this special tribunal well, i also want to note that our correspondent is working today at the already announced volodymyr zelenskyi rammstein legal firm in lviv and is following the latest news about the coverage of this summit. i invite you

to go to our website and thank you joined our broadcast with us was oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, the ministers of foreign affairs of the group of 20 could not agree on a joint final declaration at the meeting in india and could not adopt it due to the dispute over the war in ukraine, the majority of countries, primarily the western countries, did not resolutely condemn the russian aggressive war and demanded the unconditional withdrawal of troops from the territory of ukraine, however , the foreign ministers of russia and china, sergey lavrov , and tsinghan disagreed with two relevant points, that is, they opposed the condemnation of russia's aggression and the need to withdraw russian troops from the occupied territories of ukraine, the minister of foreign affairs of india explained that a joint final declaration was not adopted with

in view of the very polarized views of some countries, he emphasized that india made great efforts to find a compromise, and the prime minister of india said at the render-mode that 20 we must also think about those who are not part of it, but he did not specifically name ukraine , we meet in a time of deep global divisions and it is natural that these discussions are influenced by the geopolitical tensions of the day and we all have our contradictions and frictions between us but as the leading economies of the world we have a responsibility to those who do not presented in this hall, but on whose side is india in the war between russia and ukraine? can the world's largest democracy influence the war? let's talk about it. next, we have already been joined by olena bardyulovska, a leading researcher at the national institute for strategic studies. good evening. unfortunately , i can't hear you. i can't hear you. i understand some technical

problems . the withdrawal of russian troops from ukraine ah the current meeting of the head of foreign affairs of the twenty countries is considered unsuccessful this should have been expected eh well, first of all, i will not say that it is considered completely unsuccessful, this is how it is evaluated, and secondly, it does not surprise me at all uh, and this is the second meeting in a row that ends like this. thus, without a joint committee, but with uh, such a statement made by the chairman, or in this case, the minister of foreign affairs of india, uh, gsmkar, before that , the same meeting was held for ministers of finance and the main central banks, the g20 is only in the city of bangalore, also in india

, with the same result, where russia and china blocked the signing of joint communiques, that is, nothing strange happened to us and there was no breakthrough. india is starting this meeting in its introductory speech vortanelshanka the minister of foreign affairs said exactly what you mentioned, mr. oleksandr , just a little morakursi, that india wants to present at these meetings the voice of other countries, i.e. countries of the global south, for which it advocates, whose interests are violated as a result of this war, i want to focus on such problems as food, energy security there, and everything else and more . unfortunately, this is an unpleasant fact for us, but before the start of the joint meeting, minister zheshanka , enumerating all the challenges facing

the world today, noted all the above-mentioned economic consequences pandemics, climate change , inflation, food security , conflicts in the world are still different, but he did not say specifically about the russian-ukrainian war, and this is not the first time that india actually avoids naming things by their names, referring to their neutral position regarding this war. that is, we will now listen to how russian minister sergei lavrov allegedly raised us up in the hall at the conference when he said that it is not russia , for sure, ukraine, but on the contrary, let's listen and return to the discussion, well, devor er, above vyaturalne intostop thing posvonochtegenni stas yuzin ukraine is ukrainianpol and someone has influence influence influence enstya fresh inclusion

energy polices we have little time unfortunately one minute but i would like you to answer the following the question is india, since it refers, as you said, to your neutrality, but we still remember that, unlike china , this is a democracy, so this indicates that the entire indian society does not, well, does not want to clearly support ukraine, a little again, not so, first of all, i will comment on this moment, er, it’s a meeting with sergey lavrov, er, at a conference called the dialogue of russia, something similar to the indian version of the munich conference , let’s say, which opened on the very last day and right here g220 he is no longer on at the summit itself, he was actually ridiculed, and it's nice for us because the indians and those who were present still understand what 's really going on, who attacked whom, who is the aggressor, they don't want to be called that, but if

you watch this speech in its entirety, unfortunately there were moments when he was applauded, to his great regret, where he began to mention all the narratives that russia's security interests were violated, nato was advancing there, and so on . i will not waste time on all these well-known russian propaganda, but there are people who support, including in india, and therefore india's central position primarily does not mean that it is the city of foreign policy and we have to live with it, whether we like it or not, but they are trying to make this position about the indian position, we will return to the discussion in particular and the position of india, in our next broadcasts, olena bardyulovska , leading researcher of the national institute of strategic research, was with us, and on this we will conclude our terra.