[000:00:00;00] more people, but first of all volunteers, because this is the moment where our approach is like us, like us. for example, the vazs were staffed there all these years exclusively by volunteers or people who voluntarily volunteered to transfer to us there, but it can also be extrapolated to other units why is it important, because this is the first thing, this is a key point, this is a decision, this is a person's desire, etc. well , the same applies, for example, to people there and just civilians, just a civilian person who has a voluntary desire to serve and protect you motherland she is already at the base more motivated and ready to make greater personal sacrifices , well, in terms of the time of her personal life . to force, to force to fight, it's not very

, it's not quite right, you just have to come in from the other side , you don't need to scare people with summons, you don't need to punish people with trips, etc. no , you just need to let the person understand that if he, for example, a man of draft age will not go to serve there, and tomorrow he will simply have nowhere to go home. that's all, and people have to understand it. well, because the situation is. there are people who don't understand, they say, well, especially after the russian army withdrew from kyiv, yes . well, i know people who have relaxed somewhat. well, they won't come here, why there ? well, why is everything okay ? here on the border there on the line demarcation there on the line, a combat clash, yes, this means that they will come to an agreement, all the guys

from the sphere, yes, goodbye, no, it won’t be like that, this is the main thing, this is a very destructive prejudice because, in this way, people who think like this shift the responsibility from themselves to someone else, it is worth understanding that the russians have already switched to meat-throwing tactics. but if we do not form, well, effective , coordinated, trained units in advance, it is not important there for stabilizing the front line for defensive actions for offensive actions. yes, but prepared units. and the russians throw meat at the entrance. and when we are forced to mobilize even more people and play by the same rules as the russians , just five times more, here we are, and then, and then, and then. all then, apologies then nothing will happen, but this is the problem, that is, a person who can now go to the army and mobilize as a volunteer, and it doesn’t matter if you are not in the armed forces. well, i personally want people to join us in the ngu. we need people and they will be

ready earlier and they will spend there precious time not not for fluctuations not not for thoughts, yes, and combat coordination within the unit, it can be of decisive importance for the country, that is, you understand the math, yes, time. we simply turn the time that a person spends thinking into the time that a person will train within the unit , where he can really do something for the country useful. and how much time do you need ? well, to learn how to conduct combat operations in a conscious way. how much? well, there is a month, two, three. individual combat training of a recruit now takes place according to a shortened scheme for uh, well, on average yes, there it is, according to our rules, it’s 5 weeks, yes, it’s basic kubaz training , but it’s individual here. we also throw in the training , uh, in the unit formed there, it’s there , for example, whether it’s infantry or tank

chertvoriy yes, this is group training , and also combat coordination, yes that is, ideally, ideally, well, under normal conditions, but mobile , mobile, mobilization, yes, as they say now, that is, two, two and a half to three months, this is the training of a specialist, although the numbers may differ. yes, this is me now i named only such conditional numbers because well, it depends on the situation there in the fields on the fronts because, well, the army needs people, the army is needed by society, and i understand the difficult question, well, it ’s simple. maybe you have some vision of the military how to liberate the occupied territories crimea and the east of ukraine, and the occupied luhansk donetsk region. i mean not only what is the most

optimal military path and, well, the most optimal military path, but under the best conditions for us, well, look conceptually, there is there are three ways to solve the problems on the return of our territories. yes, the first is political. yes, when they sit down , they agree on something. to exchange something well, okay, no, i won’t say ideal, but the second option is military, well, it’s army troops breaking through the front lines, recapturing our territories, tank wedges, carpet bombs, throwing , or destroying enemy headquarters, er, destruction the enemy's offensive and defensive potential, the destruction of their defenses of the military-industrial complex, with or without help there from western partners , well, it's effective, by the way, it's very close to the

important moment, which i'll tell you a little bit a little bit later, a magical way, and the russians took poof and have tested their own. well, there is no such way, or the threat has simply ceased to exist . yes, because they have simply ceased to be bad. it will be a constant danger for us and our task in this war is not just to win back our territories there to recapture our borders there to restore the constitutional order there in all the territories that were captured there before that there 8 years ago yes 9 years already yes nine' that is, well, the main goal is to neutralize the threat to us, and it cannot be achieved. unfortunately, it seems to me that there is no other

way than to persuade the aggressor there , to call him to peace, and so on . it is impossible, it is impossible to solve the problems by political means. that society with that the date association that we have in the east. yes, with russia, it is impossible to solve the issue with them politically, yes, considering what steps they were involved in there, taken before this, because, politically, it was possible to negotiate with them earlier, as there were there were attempts before this, about the minsk agreements or something else, in the budapest memorandum, well, well, do these mechanisms work, no, we need to eliminate them for the sake of reason. well, therefore, the complete destruction of their offensive potential of the military-industrial complex, or

the neutralization of their threat to us neutralization of both the ground forces and the strategic forces , yes. that is, well, these are quite large-scale, large-scale things . it is the task of every ukrainian to join this common cause. and what to do with the local people? well, you were in mariupol a lot. yes, you spoke with the local people. well, in luhansk donetsk, the situation is the same . well, maybe not the same now. yes, these regions have been occupied for 9 years already, and there have already been changes at a very serious level there, yes, that is. nine years of propaganda, russia did not do a very strong job to brainwash our people, but they are ukrainians. well, someone may like it, someone may not like it that way. but then again, there are people who remember them, people who

understand and people who tolerate and people who are waiting. here is the question, for example, about the reintegration, for example, of our occupied territories, where it arose, well, when we were in israel, we said very interesting things. yes , we have a bunch of refugees from those regions of the zelensky and luhansk regions, there from the crimea, and so on. well when we what we will return to our land when we recapture these territories and they will be able to reintegrate these territories absolutely normally , that is, there will not be any violent planting there yes, give our propaganda on top of their propaganda no, it will be exclusively horizontal factor of man from man because, well, other ukrainians are built differently yes, if it takes 10 years to form brains or 20 years to form urban populations, demonize ukrainians, accuse us all of mortal sins, well, it can have a certain result

but our task will also be to multiply these results by zero . that's just to help people, that is, when you conditionally turn off skabeeva, yes, the button from the television. well , society is very fast. well, maybe not as quickly as you would like. yes, but simply if you turn on skabeeva, yes, if you turn off htv, you will see how fast even the results of a person will be. they are so hard to see. yes, there are visions, but they can change, especially when those people are in critical conditions. if a person has lived there for 10 years in an occupied area, for example, there the chimaks of donetsk are all on e with the household level simply, well, nowhere below, well, they live simply, well, in starvation, well, they still say that someone is to blame for this and point the finger, then very quickly, you can

do it, well, just turning off the tv showed that the person is the truth yes, and just give it to her what she deserves is support, there is help, and so on, that is, the truth is, this does not apply to, for example, open collaborators and conscious supporters of the enemy. well, that's why you also don't need to take my words as such, let's imagine the world pink ponies yes, there are some they fly and so on no no no no no with the enemy you need to be merciless, well, how are they with us , but with people who became hostages well, you need to treat them as people who became hostages about politics, how do you see the society of the future, well, in general , political no i know what kind of verkhovna rada you see. well, many soldiers will return from the front

, they will not. look for themselves in civilian life . how do you see the political system of ukraine after the victory ? let's see. let's focus better on the victory. i don't have an answer to this question because i haven't thought about it at all. well, now is not the time to think about the political future of a country that may not even have a future . well, let's not choose curtains for a room that's on fire. that's what's important. yes, there are people who can think about it. now there are people who can think about it there . well, a little later there are people who are already thinking about it, and so on. to involve the military there somehow

are they actively involved in social and political life there, or will they themselves be involved in it? well, i suspect that they are. well, most likely, but here you also need to understand that if a person there is simply a military person, yes, it doesn't matter how much experience there is, it doesn't mean that a priori, for example, she understands all the social issues of life, or why does she understand social issues in life, right? yes , we are military . but life is very complex, multifaceted, and everyone has to do their own work, yes , yes, this is a strange question. well, maybe i don’t know how much to think, will the war continue and what did putin bet on

? well, what did putin bet on? what bar do you think he has raised for himself, i.e. he wants to go through us to enter europe or does he want to redistribute the world order? what do you think is his strategic goal and what is he capable of? well, again, things that are usually not thought about because they are not quite relevant there for me and for my for my kind of occupation now on uh putin is already the first in a certain way rather not so russia has already changed the world balance in a certain way i was caught by the fact of a large-scale repetition of the resources for the war, damn it, they can mobilize a million and a million soldiers there, maybe one and a half

, we can’t play with him, that’s it, that ’s the way it is, with such local methods, well, it’s not time for symmetrical appropriate actions we don't have time for reactionary actions, we just need to seize the initiative. that's how the war is. you can only do it like this. the war can end just like that. well, we remember a year ago. there was a small victorious war. yanukovych was brought to minsk. well, it seems. but now things have changed much more seriously. where will putin stop at all? well, they can play a protracted all-out war, we can’t play this kind of war. that’s all, that is, he will concentrate on us. now they are inclined to

war is a protracted protracted war, as i wrote today, this is always a lost war, we simply cannot afford it. well, that's why active actions in terms of changing consciousness in society, acts of the most active involvement of other citizens in military service and preparing already here and now and you are with us so he must be prepared he he does not have he must not be raw he must not be reactionary but we need to seize the initiative because now the situation on the front line is such that it may seem stable yes people are used to it to the point that every day they will read the summaries there, which count how much enemy equipment there is and the personnel there have been destroyed . and everyone is happy there. ugh, great, minus 800, well, minus 650 , ugh -1,000. okay, but this is work, this is the work of thousands of people. this is the life of our people.

soldiers who also die every day, and the longer the war lasts, the longer our soldiers will drag us. and we can't afford that. and the golden civilians, by the way , because there are a lot of civilians in this war, hmm, how to change society, well, public opinion you say you need to prepare, yes how can we see how in places yes the mobilization is taking place we can see that well many people have relaxed as how can i talk to yes with well how is it some kind of must be excuse me an information campaign or something well look already uh that’s how it turned out yes what well i’m a lot i met people on the street who confessed to me that there were some interviews there with me there, we took them there, and so on, they changed their outlook. yes, and because of them , they went to serve . there should be more people

first of all, second of all, there are already existing mechanisms . yes, if a person voluntarily wants to serve. people can easily join the ranks of the armed forces, well, it’s not a problem at all. that is, people are needed there, there is always a constant selection of recruits , yes. in our country, such a cool thing happened. people have developed a pattern of thinking and perception towards the word mobilization because, well, russian mobilized people were called mobs. yes, and this , first of all , does not correspond. for example, the media there, their mobilized there, who are rebelling there, and so on, yes, and they partly do it deliberately, yes, but

they are hiding the fact that they are ramping up the production of the t-72 b3 of the 2022 model there at the nizhny tigris plant yes, there are several hundreds of tanks there over a period of several months, and it’s not just a matter of shoveling. and these are powerful combat vehicles that will bring death to our troops there, and this should not happen, and that’s why now that there is just such yes, yes, associational, associative gluing, yes, summons, mobilization, why, yes, and now they come to you with summonses, and you are so damned, i come out the same way, yes , the problem here is that there in the lower middle lanka there is a certain well, not quite high-quality work but

again here i am i i am 100% convinced, that there are many appropriate levels of acceptance of responsibility and systems for its processing systems yes, there is work on mistakes well, at least, at least they promised me about it, that's why people don't need to be afraid of mobilization and if you are very afraid of mobilization, you voluntarily that's all, fill the units, fill equip them, don't be afraid to take the initiative that can benefit society and units read books read military books read become he publishes good books. well, don't read like garbage that is related to there or the type of civil defense there, and so on. if you decide to become a military man, you will have to diversify these areas very, very well. if a person is there, a civil defenseman .

well, let it be, but it’s not military, it’s military, it’s military , even though there are people who have some primary training, how can domestic partisans be made of them with the right command ? well, normal units are not a problem at all the main thing is for a person to have a desire, as it were, with just one or two phrases, they could motivate, or simply formulate it in several phases, so that, well, you can mount such a speech or you will die, well, the time is tough now . understand that if they don't fight, their way is simple , well, we are in the inter, just as a result of all these actions , there will be a lot of coffins in a few months, but the question is, will they go to russia or you

, it will be our coffins, let's do it like this so that these are coffins that will be coffins that will go to russia and then it's mexis otherwise it's just that we will rub off and try to try and try if we play at half strength just continue well yes well let's leave it to others yes well dude and well it's not mine well we already have quite a lot of people there who have certain medical indicators there , uh, which prevent them from serving, medical indicators prevent them from entering the service well , you can not tell me, well, healthy, healthy men, absolutely normal, comprehensive, how as i say yes, and they find a million excuses for not going to serve there, it's low, women go to serve voluntarily, and it's proud, it's respectful, it's cool

, i know many of them personally, of course, of course, there are a lot of people there, they say that there everyone should be there, well, in their place, there to help. the volunteer and i will definitely make it there , of course, well, our economy is very shaken now, well, it is going through very difficult times , but for the world economy, even because of our war there, it is going through difficult times, yes at least in many directions there in the agricultural sector, metallurgical, oil and gas, yes, but only the sector of this a-a production of weapons and ammunition will now flourish, but again, well, we have a great, great honor, a very large diaspora over there in europe yes, there are people all over the world who were there before in europe, have they left because of the start of the war, there for security reasons, okay , no problems, it is also worth understanding that

not all people who went there are helping well, that is, it is better to help at the front, not at the front. yes, we have, well, seats in the army. well, not so many. yes, so that we can logistically provide for this whole thing, but we need people who want to fight, so what is the point, because if a person who does not want to fight gets into the army. yes, she is the fastest there - most likely she can turn into either a future dead person or in the future i don't know the answerer or a person who will stimulate and so on. well, this is a shameful practice , but it exists, it is not mass it is not mass there is no need to panic here, but it exists, it exists, it is a reality, people are different, uh, but uh, strengthening of directions, strengthening of efforts in all directions, yes, optimization of the costs of the available resources that we have, yes, this is correct , that is, human potential should be maximized

to use as efficiently as possible, and that is why we come to the voluntary desire of a person to go serve, secondly, yes , this is an increase in pressure, for example, on western partners there, yes, because well, they well, they also have to understand that and this and this is her game, and it is more true that it's not a game. it's also their war, we're just. well, it turned out that we're on the edge of this war . well, ukrainians need to understand that shifting responsibility to the west is impossible in this situation because, well, the west is helping. it 's effective there, economically, financially, with weapons and so on. so on, but weapons don't win soldiers, soldiers of the army win soldiers and we can pray there as much as we want there for 16 there for patriots for there abrams for leopards here but well, for example, we

will get abrams when in september in march for example in march, well, the numbers vary, don’t be surprised, yes, yes, it varies, yes, but any western weapon is not a genchanner, it is not just an element that completely fundamentally changes the picture there in any way, in a certain way certain e.g. weapons are weapons systems with quite specific characteristics, such as a himer with a date, they changed the nature of the conduct of hostilities, but they do not change the cardinal war, but because the enemy is on the front line and he will entrench himself and the infantry in order to strengthen his its ability to defend itself and only one weapon is needed here, a shovel, the infantry on the shore digs in deeper in order to break through these front lines. therefore, you can finish off this territory as much as you like, and with artillery there and heimers there, polish with fighters there with bombers and so on if the enemy is fixed on the front line he has a fixed line of defense, a system of defense , fire, fire points, strong points

, a fire system, an engineering barricade, a battle order , if the enemy has a line of defense, it must be broken through in order to capture these territories for this you need armored vehicles yes and trained infantrymen who will go on the offensive so and er let's put it this way, we have the experience of our armed forces yes there it is already much greater than that of the western allies of our plans to fight there with the prevailing enemy so there is a theory there mykhailo, there are methods of organization, there is planning for love , there is the preparation of hostilities, and so on. back in the west, it is very high-quality, very high-quality , indeed, but it is worth understanding that no one will come for us and solve our problems at because they already help us a lot to solve our problems. and we shouldn't just relax and transfer responsibility both on a personal level

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