[000:00:00;00] the bakhmut garrison will not be able to continue resisting, so the actions of the ukrainian army will be absolutely rational, and regarding the fact that it is not a square meter or kilometers that is more important to us , but the lives of our soldiers, because life and health , humidity is the highest value for the ukrainian general staff, what method will act in the ukrainian the general staff will definitely not tell you now. well, although the information that could expose ukrainian servicemen to mortal risk is closed, we will find out everything after the fact, but what our military is absolutely rational and in such a way as to cause as much damage as possible to putin's army on the one hand and on the other hand to protect the ukrainian personnel as much as possible for me this is obvious well, let's also talk about other directions about the south about melitopol zaporizhzhia oblast, a quasi-entity as part

of the formal constitution of the occupiers of the russian federation, announced that the city of melitopol will now be the capital of zaporizhzhia oblast. somewhere 120,110 km south of zaporizhzhia, let me remind you that until now, balytsky is officially still a deputy of the zaporizhia regional council from the party of the opposition bloc trasa. how does this affect the military and political situation in the south ? non-republics in them are also called oblasts as part of something there according to their constitution, how much does it change the situation , the distribution of forces, and then vladislav from a military point of view, how important is the population point and what is happening there taras, well, actually, from the side of the occupiers, this is such a very telling, purely in their style , a political and propaganda move, everyone understands that the melitopol direction to

the south is one of the strategic ones from a military point of view, and it is also russian the military-political leadership also perfectly understands that the state of readiness of a- a in terms of defense capability . in the east, including in the direction of bakhmut , which we have already talked about, so uh well, in order to create, first of all , the illusion for the russian population that everything is going according to plan, so that in fact melitopol is not in danger and uh, well, if there is no what to worry about is this is such a political propaganda announcement about which, again, if the situation changes, also in the style of russian propaganda, the next day everyone will forget . well, because it will be re-announced and it will turn into some other propaganda a message from the russian military and political leadership, that is, most likely it is a, well, such

a signal of self-reassurance for the russians that everything is going to be fine there, their leader may not worry, well, if the situation were under control, but we perfectly understand that, in principle, russian propaganda works in this way and if the russian population is also processed in such a way that today one thing can be announced tomorrow something completely different can be announced, but this is such a micro-signal to the fact that, in principle , the military-political leadership and their henchmen, but in the so far occupied territories of ukraine, they perfectly understand the real danger. well, at the same time, you can forget that eh. well, let's say that the russians continue to gradually eh move back in the southern direction, and that is, they are constantly moving there and eh our logistics are far away, so to speak, from those points where we can now effectively hit them, and accordingly, the personnel is also there, well, the families are all the others there, they have already taken them away for a long time and

are gradually trying to take them away from these dangerous directions. so if to combine these two processes in such a way that the russians secretly gradually begin to crawl away from the south further and further towards their own borders. and what if melitopol was announced to the public now, well, in such a new status. this is rather such a propaganda screen for in order to mask the russians' real understanding of what actually awaits them in the southern direction from a military point of view, well, as if politically not uh, as they say, so that they can constantly say there is no panic, no, so that behind this neck it is possible to hide what in fact they are preparing to escape. well, they also annexed several otg settlements to melitopol, which are located in the south, and now melitopol officially has access to the sea of ​​azov, although such a thing has never been there. the sea is 30 km away, and the milky estuary is 5-10 kilometers away . vladislav is from

from a political point of view, and from a military point of view, this shows that they have already abandoned their desire and plans to advance on zaporozhye, that is, that's enough, that's all, this is our capital, now melitopol, and this is our region, this is the vasilivka there, by line demarcation or not, tell me about it friends, i’m sorry, but it seems to me that this is complete nonsense literally the other day i learned about the following and it turned out that there is a corresponding administrator of the russian occupation authorities in kherson in the kharkiv region, they are now somewhere there , er, located on the territory of the city belgorod e-e in the russian federation but nevertheless, they still position themselves as e-e where walkers e-e who are supposed to operate in the territory of the kharkiv region, why should i pay attention to such strange decisions of the statement of information dumping who every time e-e sell the same sentences that act on the example of kherson oblast or in the south e-e zaporizhia oblast

there is no reason the key task is the preparation of the ukrainian forces of the strategic regime which , as part of the counteroffensive, must clear this territory from the russian occupiers and their practitioners it is clear to ukraine that the de-occupation of the south of our country will take place in several stages. the first stage will be the liberation of the south of the zaporizhia region of the kherson region. next , the ukrainian crimea will be cleared from the russian soldiers. and ukrainian sevastopol is not an easy matter, it is not an easy matter, but the fact that this process will not be reversed and such as kinsky will lead to the complete decapitation of the territory of the country and the border from the 21st year is obvious to me because, once again , no matter what they are called there their government institution there is closer to the sea of ​​azov and the crimea, because it turns out that the capital of the kherson region and the zaporizhia region is now somewhere nearby, it is obvious that all this is a manor aimed at a

certain stratum of the local audience and which does not in any way affect the further development of the situation, because the key organization that determines the future of this region is the ukrainian defense forces. well, in the meantime, the very training you are talking about continues, and the training of our commanders, in particular, at the american military base in germany, which was recently visited by a general the american mark milli , eh. he said about coordination, i specifically said that no one tells ukrainians to do this or that - milli told journalists who also flew to germany that everything we we are doing it, we are creating a structure and mechanics, or the ukrainians could learn on their own. well, regarding the counteroffensive, it is now very often discussed in the information field so directly, massively, but when we talk to the soldiers, well, we understand that the counteroffensive is greater losses than the defense, are we ready for this is technically now and what should be the turning point, and

not taras, let's hurry, well , we have already talked about the stage of technical training . that is, this is the training that our servicemen are undergoing with our western partners well, here we must understand that this is not only training that relates to the direct possession of western equipment, that is, we understand that in our counteroffensive operations, all of the new items in this list of military assistance that we expect now will be involved it is clear from our western partners that there are issues of logistics and these items will actually be included gradually as if in the arsenal of the armed forces of ukraine, but of course we will rely on american infantry fighting vehicles in our counteroffensive operations. bradley and on the german mardera, and on the french emix, that is, in principle. if there was a purely military technical

component of our training, it is, in principle, if there was no -fo around from the military aid that 8 and 9 rammstein showed, this is such a colossal step forward and with regard to the quality, and with regard to the equipment itself, which, uh, we expect so well, i’m not talking about the main battle tanks anymore, but if this issue is a little further and prospects than, for example, the american and german bmps are the second component of these exercises it provides not only that the ukrainian military must master the skills of practical use of this equipment , including in combat conditions, but also in such a strategic understanding of the potential of this equipment because in many moments it is conditional in other words, this is a new quality and comparable to what our military was able to work with before. well, of course , what is compared to the potential of the aggressor , yes, if the quality of these western weapons, it

absolutely does not fit into any comparisons and here in order to be able to use this new quality and these new technologies as effectively as possible to solve problems directly in the combat zone, these trainings are exactly what we need. the fact is that here we are, well, for us the very useful experience of our american partners and our german partners , including because it is their technique to which they have disappeared and er well, they have gotten used to using it not just for years, for decades, so that is, they as, well, in addition to the tactical and technical characteristics stated there yes, well on which you can read in open access, they still know, as it were. well, these are the practical points regarding the operation and the use of this equipment in battle, of course . well, if the americans here had more experience. in many military conflicts, in fact, but these trainings are also designed to prepare our military so that we

can use these weapons that are given to us as quickly and as efficiently as possible, and it is clear that this is quality in our hands of our already experienced military personnel, it is also a guarantee that we will try as much as possible to minimize our losses during the initiation and conduct of these offensive operations on our part. how do you assess readiness, i would ask to our attention to the following, as for me, but extremely important casey casey command and staff training for seven days on the territory of one of the military bases on the territory of germany, a command staff training took place with the participation of ukrainian officers and generals , as well as our western partners, within the framework of which

the prospects for the development of the ukrainian counter-offensive were worked out on the maps, various options for the use of the armed forces of ukraine in different areas of the front , in particular in the north of the luhansk region, were worked out, then the options for the ukrainian contrast should be the territory of the donetsk region . the staff training team was worked out according to approximately the same algorithm, and based on the results of those things , a decision was made about the consequences of the application the day direction of the ukrainian defense forces would be critical and vulnerable for the ukrainian defense forces , on the one hand, on the other hand, they did not lead to real territorial gains , that is, to the liberation of the territory of our country , precisely according to the results and conclusions of those exercises, a contour offensive operation was carried out on the territory of kharkiv region , it was in fact, it was completely cleared of the occupying forces of putin's army. well , then everyone already knows the events in the north of the kherson region, the liberation of kherson, and not

all of the right bank of the dnieper in the lower reaches, which uh, and what conclusions were reached based on the results of these command and control exercises, i don’t quite know, but in any case, they will be precisely laid in the basis of the ukrainian consulate regarding the terms of the implementation of ukrainian legislation, so there are secrets of chanel’s paralysis . in april and at the end of may, the ukrainian counter-attack will take place. it is clear what forces and means will be involved from the ukrainian side to implement this plan. these are 10-12 assault brigades, where they are provided in accordance with the states of the countries that are part of of the northern technical alliance of arming military equipment with ammunition and we see that the new package of military-technical assistance to the children of the united states of america primarily includes missiles of this class heimers projectiles of 105, 125 and 155 caliber and ammunition of 25 caliber this is mentioned by taras the same as the famous bradley infantry fighting vehicle, it is obvious that the ukrainian army is now accumulating resources, because

any counter-offensive of this scale is aimed at implementing plans for at least three anti-terrorist operations for 4 weeks and for 3-4 weeks of active hostilities , the ukrainian patriot army must have the appropriate resources and opportunities, because this is the plan that the ukrainian general staff will act on . fact because information is also a weapon and it should be handled with the utmost care the main purpose of the military decision on the purpose of today's military-technical news this is information from a german influential the publication spiegel reported that the german arms company rain metal plans to build a tank factory in ukraine with a capacity of about 400 tanks per year. the relevant negotiations are currently underway . the germans do not even want to wait until the end of the war

, according to the head of the concern armin pa-perger . the cost of the project is about 200 million euros. not so expensive, in fact, the plant should become the basis for the production of new panther-type tanks, which was first introduced to the public about this tank last year, whether we will show it or not, a photo or video claims that negotiations with the ukrainian government look very promising, a decision can be made in the next two months, while the paper said that it does not consider it necessary to wait for the end of the war and is ready to build even a factory even under the threat of russian missile strikes, they say that air defense can ensure the safety of mr. taras, how realistic is it in general well, in general, this is an absolutely realistic project . it seems to me that this is one of the results of chancellor scholz's visit to washington, his negotiations with biden, and it is also one from er already practical results er of those discussions those absolutely pragmatic

discussions that we er on tanks what we that we drank as witnesses here if the last few rammstein er it's obvious that i apologize this is what the panther looks like it's one of the most modern enough tanks now. vladyslav tells us what it is. please continue. thank you. yes. i think that there is actually an agreement between our partners, because we understand that all the military aid we receive is normal. the cornerstone of all this is our need and er well, let's say our potential at er a specific moment of time yes that is, we are given er first of all what we need and what we can use er after spending a minimum of time preparing well because it all has to be used in battle, we have no way to test it all on training grounds and choose what is better and what is worse, but the plus of this situation is that in the end our armed forces will be able to carry out

e-e is considered and maximally justified the choice of each specific type of weapons. that is, it will be a choice not just there at the level of a-a, we tested it on the training ground, it looked convenient, convenient a-a, we can master it, we cannot master it, we can integrate it into our weapons system in general, yes, we can, uh, this is uh, a test as they say in real combat conditions and this is what is actually missing in the majority of european armies is such a maximally conscious choice of a specific type of weapon and it seems to me that this decision has already been publicly voiced by the german concern, it shows about the fact that, after all, in relation to the main battle tank, the main priority still seems to be the leopard. well, because the panther is a tank that, in principle, well, this is a radical modification there when opard let's say so, and it's obvious that compared to, for example, abrams tanks which are a little more technological and, accordingly, well, in terms of combat operation, they are a little more specific than

the german tanks, it seems to me that the germans and the americans have divided a little between themselves. we will most likely be german, and the planes will probably be american f16 so when it comes to this and when there will be a practical discussion of this stage of military aid in ukraine, well, the most important thing here is that the war will end sooner or later, we hope soon, and the factory for the production of panthers will remain on the territory ukraine, vladislav, how do you evaluate this information? i think that this is the main association of today, please, how can it be implemented? and what kind of tank is it? in the world, what are the armed and armored cats in the world, eh, from germany, this is a deep modernization of the leopards, and it is obvious that this is an extremely technological

, extremely powerful combat unit, that uh, the leading concert that is engaged in the production of exactly this type a of armed military equipment expressed hope that its production facilities will be deployed on the territory of ukraine. this is good, not the fault, because of course , if we consider the situation that everything here, the war will last a very, very long period of time , then under such conditions, business is unlikely to will dare to implement such comprehensive plans for the creation of a full-fledged production of this type of military equipment weapons, most likely, there is an understanding that the end will come, and he thought that the war on the territory of ukraine would end soon, it will obviously end with the defeat of putin's troops, and yes, there are many reasons to think so again the statement of the ukrainian general budanov , the head of vinnytsia intelligence, which has been repeatedly emphasized because by the end of the summer of this year, the war on the territory of ukraine will be from

zdenovets. precisely because the ukrainian the army will be on the state borders of ukraine in 1991, it must correspond to the basis that the collaboration between our western partners and the enterprises of the defense-industrial complex is taking place, if you take it as segmentary, and in general between the west and ukraine, it is quite valid, ivan's story is logical because the war demonstrates the advantages and disadvantages of the equipment that is directly used on the battlefield, it is with great difficulty that i imagine a situation when russian manufacturers of weapons of military equipment can now promote and iron on the arms market, what they were producing before, because it is obvious that putin's equipment is not showing very good results, so talk about the fact that they can seriously compete in the arms market in the future , i think that this will not happen, for me the following is clearly understood the decision

of the countries of the collective action that bet on ukraine on its armed forces and they are fully convinced that ukraine will win two of putin's russia. in twilight russia and how to generally restore peace and tranquility on the territory of the european continent, but here now the key main solution is the unification of the countries of the world and their number is 54, the same as how many participating countries are currently night rammstein and they are aware that putin must be eliminated as a component the leaders of the dictatorial regimes of the world and, accordingly, of putin's russia , to transform into a more adequate and understandable for the neighboring, first of all , state formations with which it will be possible

to talk to and exhibit one question, mr. taras, here is a challenge for us, you know, so that it doesn’t happen later, what happens with this plant, take hectares, in which they offered 10 million dollars to conduct electricity to the plant, if the entire tank project costs 200,200 million euros, and in principle, i believe that if every day they give us a billion to half a billion, here is a 200 million power plant . in principle, this is not very expensive for the western partners, they understood that it is better to build here. let the ukrainians provide themselves with tanks. how strategic is what vladyslav says? they are sure of our victory, it is very important for us, how important it is for us, and to take advantage of this moment, not to spoil it now, so definitely what mr. vladyslav emphasized is a very important thing, it is such a very good geopolitical signal, in fact, to all our western allies and with regard to the undoubted end of this war with a ukrainian victory and with regard to the fact that the west should remain united in its aid and support

to ukraine, it seems to me that at this stage at least the construction and commissioning of this plant, it will rather perform a function that will help us operate the leopard tanks that we have, that is, in fact, the production of pater is, as it were, such a medium and long-term perspective and in the future er, the transition of the ukrainian army to this type of tanks is high-tech. yes, but the presence of this plant on the territory of ukraine will allow our western partners to relieve themselves in the logistical er format, because we understand that, well, the question is when, for example, the armed forces of ukraine give a new type of tank and for or any other type of weapon for field use is not only a matter of physically delivering these systems to ukraine and delivering them to the front and providing them with ammunition, this is also repair , this is also maintenance regular work and many other things that if

the production is located on the territory of another country, even more so in such a department as , for example, in germany , yes , logistics here will be very tense. first of all, to be subordinated to combat tasks. yes, it is a little inconvenient that this plant will be located on the territory of ukraine, it will remove a lot of questions related to the practical operation of these tanks, especially in combat conditions. in the public space and uh , in the end it was voiced so directly in the future, ukraine will be interesting not only to turkey and germany from the point of view of joint nuclear power projects, but also to many of our other western partners. and this investment is the development of technologies, and there are

actually a lot of moments that will allow us to develop further. let's at least hope for this, that there will be such stories about kickbacks for the installation of electricity or something else. well, we will not demonstrate to our western partners. in this regard, vladislav, you said that first the victory and then what to do with russia, but we see that there is a certain correlation between the common understanding of what to do with russia after our victory and the types and amount of weapons that are provided to us, how do you assess this is the latest aid package from the united states that washington announced the day before for 400 million dollars, how much are these weapons will help us not only to defend , but also to attack, and it is aimed at ensuring the current needs of the ukrainian army, including equipping

the necessary weapons and ammunition for the units of the e-e assault brigades that will be to clear ukraine from the russian occupation, we must understand that, of course, ukraine also needs a huge amount of armored vehicles, in particular the same leopards that we have built repeatedly and the intensity of artillery fire it depends on it and the huge losses of putin's troops if the rila fire is dense and the preservation of the lives and health of our soldiers on the other hand side well, plus, this reinforcement is preparation for the ukrainian contour entry and because , of course, it will be much easier for the ukrainian troops to press forward in those places where we know for sure that thanks to the artillery fire of the ukrainian soldiers, all the russians have been wiped out and reduced to ashes. therefore, it is obvious

that that some kind of military technical assistance is extremely important, i hope that there will be many such cases not only from the united states of america, from the countries of collective europe , our other partners, or ammunition now is the basis of that advantage, which creates the same issue for the ukrainian counteroffensive and that the same contour attack is maximally effective and maximally successful. vladislav well, we are not the only tank, this weapon also needs support, maybe it will also provoke the construction of production here in our country and accompanying enterprises that will help er provide these weapons, one example from 2009 is my personal experience of being in the ranks of the 12th rotation of the joint ukrainian-polish-lithuanian battalion

corps on the territory of kosovo yes and action american mechanics, they said about our specialists who were engaged in the repair and maintenance of equipment, including well-known hacks . at the same time, our guys can use this technique much faster than you mean according to the regulations, and this technique is then very effective and worked for a long time, so i believe in our graduates, i believe that the same collaboration between the ukrainian defense forces and our western partners will give and it is the results that are endlessly transforming the key tasks that we are all now implementing a safe europe. thank you for this conversation . vladyslav seleznyov, military expert, spokesman of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, 14-17 years old, and taras zoftenko , an expert on national security issues, were our guests. stay we will return with the press in a short period of time and

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