[000:00:00;00] and the anti-aircraft defense of putin, the minister of defense, shoigu, his governor. well, in short, where, where, where is the displeasure de-channeled, what impression do they have? yes, i think it is depressing , yes , it depresses everything. to express dissatisfaction with the russian army there , how is it, where is the ppu, where is the air defense, and here you expose us to an article for discrediting the armed forces of the russian federation, you can beg for it, so they can either simply be afraid of this situation without addressing it as well so what is happening or how is that what is happening damn ukroboronderovtsy that is, even if they understand and i see that many of them understand what is happening that it is precisely

because of the piercing of the russian army because of their fault , but they are still in order to protect themselves from criminal persecution or they are doing such nonsense and indignation or they are directing it at ukrainians thank you ivan stupak , a military expert, an employee of the security service, the fourth - 15 years, thank you very much, ivan, it is always nice to be with you now we will transfer the matter to the united states, because we have partners there, we respect them very much, we love them oleksandr motyli, historian, political scientist, professor at rudger university of the united states, it is very nice to see you, oleksandr, and thank you for finding time on saturday instead of drinking a beer after the work week. you're sitting here talking about september, i'd be drinking beer in your city. how can i pass up the opportunity to be with september in march, yes, that

too, that too, you understand it perfectly, so it's just such a pun, you can't give up, well, i am convinced that this is being discussed in the united states, maybe at the level of experts, maybe at the level of academics, but i am very interested in this , alexander, and the idea of ​​competition with china will allow the americans to help ukraine faster or, on the contrary, slower. this is such a complex construction, i will explain it to the audience that there are people who believe that it is beneficial for the americans to quickly finish helping the ukrainians defeat russia because the people's

republic of china is still in the denominator in washington, this is a real serious a long-term systemic enemy, and russia is so secondary. it lies somewhere, if it had not started a war against ukraine, then no one would have cared or looked in that direction, but now there is russia, something must be done with it, and the other, they say , can be in trouble - america and end any assistance in general, because you still need to focus on china , and let ukraine deal with russia on its own. to china, and not to deliver weapons to ukraine, certain people said so about a year ago , or maybe even more, because then this issue was relevant, then it was not, or it just started, everyone hoped that ukraine would be occupied in a few days and thus lose you understand, to some extent it was logical to ask well, why bother

with ukraine, what was it, when there are more important things, whether it's rusych, and even more so china, and now you understand, since america, the west in general , even in particular, has already helped so much, that's it it's not enough about billions, rough billions, and that in the second week or third week, the americans deliver some kind of heavy weapons, the british , even the germans, and so on, you understand, now suddenly three stop this aid and come to some such exclusively anti-chinese rails or not, well, this is a little unrealistic, you understand sooner people, analysts and to a certain extent politicians and journalists are worried about the question that the war will be a long box, because it should be a box of possibilities, but how to do it , and if it will be long, then whether they are unable at all no, i mean the event to help the cause in ukraine

, will it not be enough, will there be enough ammunition, and so on, there is more of this now well, let's say a more acute question, china, of course , may not be as much an enemy as a rival. this partnership has always existed and i thought about it and it still exists between russia and china and a year ago, how do you know the city in general ? cooperation and so on. and so on. since that time, china's attitude towards russia has noticeably worsened, and they, as allies

, should support russia at every step, and somehow on the contrary. to some extent not satisfied, and the americans should now do what nixon did at the end of the 60s and the beginning of the 70s of the last century, and to some extent reach out to the chinese and thus damage, of course, in russia, it was without from a geopolitical point of view this would be a great maneuver and in principle it is possible because the chinese have now become attached to russia, russia is sinking and may drag china along with it, the alternative is some sort of half-baked work to at least detente with the americans, it would even be very positive, well for that it is necessary to put the hundred-year-old kissinger back into some kind of suitcase with uh, from where he flew

from pakistan, to send it secretly from the suitcase to beijing, to negotiate with the out-of-doors and quickly . although he is 100 years old, but he is still alive, mr. professor, look at one more question, well, ukrainians are very suspicious, and maybe it will not be only ukrainians. and this is what the russians are throwing up about the fact that , well, these words are tired of ukraine, in other words, from the war , but there is some kind of logic that i am tracing here. the logic is that if ukraine, with the help of western weapons , quickly, well, relatively quickly , does not defeat russia there within six months, nine months, does not reject it from its borders, then perhaps america and western europe will start telling us ukraine to start some kind of peace negotiations, which are indisputable

beneficial to putin, but completely disadvantageous to ukraine, and something tells me that the objection is also not disadvantageous, but simply the west cannot mean dealing with ukraine forever . well, such discussions are going on. well, such a possibility exists on the other hand, officials of the united states of america and not only as soon as something was confirmed with two, three or four red lines, the sentence that we will unconditionally support ukraine morally, financially, and militarily until the end of the war war, after which the ukrainians will be left one on one with the russians. it seems like a real possibility to you. well, this is being discussed, i kind of hinted at it in the previous comment, it is being discussed, by the way, i am just

preparing an article about this issue. so, i have already read some three - four or maybe even more in the last few days in various sources, various commentators who put forward such and such an opinion and it will certainly become real, it is already real to a certain extent , but the environment of the elites, because at the level of politics on levels of official policy of official washington. as you said, such an attitude does not exist and i think it will not last for a long time, but in principle it can come to the point that there will be a certain pressure . 10 or so many russians will be repelled from the zaporizhzhia and kherson regions, and the luhansk and donetsk and e-e regions, and the status quo will remain in crimea. so, in

principle, ukraine would be a kind of victory. well , not complete, but not bad, since they returned to at least the borders of the last year, and in that case the pressure would be relatively strong, three, because people would then say, well, listen, you actually achieved what you wanted to repel the russians, you didn't liberate all the lands, but mainly what they captured, i'm now liberation, well, let's go now, the russians will lose let's finish all this already because it is not beneficial to anyone and so on, it could happen. and i don't think that ukraine is powerless here, which means that this is not the point, it just means the correctness of the argumentation, etc., because in the end, the west

the people of derkan are very good. lord, the british understand. i think even the germans are more and more. why leave ukraine one-on-one with russia? well, it 's the same as giving victory to putin. and that's not good. it's not good for anyone and the west - you understand that ukraine has certain levers here it's also easy to leave ukraine after the west supported it so much. well, let's say in a year or two or how long it took you, it will be very, very difficult. moreover , there will already be a kind of bureaucratic machine in russia that is connected with budgets, so if we know that in state institutions, when there are already mentioned certain funds, they are probably whole, then they have a tendency, so to speak, to survive and continue, everything is true, but to suddenly reduce them or reduce them so much that ukraine hears that there is a question of living or not living. first, it is implausible from a political point of view, but at the same time

implausible from a bureaucratic point of view , and of course from a debatable point of view. because ukraine here has different opinions. what do you want to end the war and continue the genocide? well, what kind of democrats are you? people are still sensitive to such measures, let's see. well, we have talked about it more than once, but it will not be superfluous to repeat it anyway. that there is a bandit in our yard, we have 200 families conditionally living there in our yard. yes, there are not even families who are not members of the un. yes, but there are approximately 200 countries on the map, and among them there is one who

constantly causes harm, and this one the damage concerns not only one of his neighbors, but neighbors through neighbor and on and on and on and on and in order to deter him all the neighbors have to say it's money somehow try to do something and there's no policeman on the globe there's no policeman and then it's just a problem that you can't quit you have to understand that she's knocking on your door not today, tomorrow, not tomorrow, the day after tomorrow . that is, you and i understand, and most politicians and political scientists and journalists understand that predictability is the main goal of international politics, no one says that saudi

arabia has a great democracy, but everyone understands how she acts, everyone can predict this, they can do it, she can't do it, give up exactly this, she can, she can't, and russia , we don't know what she can do tomorrow, she, i don't know where today they are in ukraine, tomorrow in mali, the day after tomorrow, the central african republic, the day after tomorrow, in madagascar and no one knows where they will go, that is, there is some understanding that this is a problem that cannot be shoved in a drawer for tomorrow , well, people who are interested in such matters understand that, i mean, well, there are certain members of the government in various ministries, serious journalists, scientists and so on, in general they understand this, they do not read the ritual in russian, if not, at least the translations that are available and they know how putin's regime reacts to such issues as it

is unpredictable that he has different ambitions and so on, so i would say that people in general understand this, and even more so, they understand that this is not only about ukraine, ukraine is a kind of metaphor for, well, at least for europe, if not for this world. so what they understand is not understood by those who never understood, that is, those people who insisted a year and a half ago that this is all a nato adventure, that the west stopped it all, and there are relatively many of them among the left, the left today, and among the right, but also among a certain circle of relatively serious scientists, they continue to be convinced, continue to say, despite everything that has happened in the last year, that this is nato, that he is in favor of the war, not putin, that

putin has no intary ambitions, and so on, and you understand it with them, talk to tina head to head the wall is the last wall. you just can't convince them. but it seems to me that there is a general trend in our country to say so for the benefit of ukraine itself. people understand this and very often say it very openly in the press, in newspapers, on television , etc. so it's not bad to go with a baby or do the americans themselves understand it? well, rather no, it's more important for them. that's why the russians are bad, the ukrainians are good, and in this way a kind of drama happens, but it's normal for any nation, people are not so interested

in foreign affairs. and if they are interested at such a relatively low level. well, thank you to oleksandr motilii , 40, political scientist, professor at the university of rangers in the united states. i'm just thinking about hollywood. i think that hollywood will help ukraine. then public opinion is already american. well , it will support the ukrainians even more, well, in short , something also depends on hollywood. now we will talk about the people's republic of china. i did not know about the existence of such an organization as the hong kong center, that is, the free center of hong kong, or rather, the centers of free hong kong - until recently, it was an independent territory, now it is actually occupied by the people 's republic of china. artur kharitonov, an expert on far eastern politics

, the coordinator of the free hong kong center . see thank you for joining an important issue we say today that hong kong is such a possible example for taiwan for formosa and many people think and convince among other names for example that the transition of xijinping and the third term sisinping, and it is based on the fact that he promised the politburo central committee of the communist party of china that he would conquer taiwan by the end of this decade, despite america's promise to defend taiwan against the massive purchase of a huge amount of weapons, and so on, and so on, despite

the presence of american aircraft carriers there. and this is on the one hand on the other hand, everyone sees the fate of hong kong, which had 50 years of being completely autonomous, but we see that it is far from autonomous and has actually turned into a part of the people's republic of china how much do you think of these plans of the chinese favorite regarding taiwan? we can look at them as, for example, hong kong. what can happen in the near future , please? well, actually, first of all, it is necessary to say that hong kong belongs to taiwan and ivan. hong kong is a british territory that, unfortunately , under certain circumstances was transferred given by thatcher to china, no one has its own weapons and, to the great regret of no one, was not sovereign, i.e. it should have been should have exercised its rights to

self-determination, but this did not happen and its the object was handed over to china, that is, of course, for such a city-state that does not have its own weapons, it is quite difficult to fight against the chinese enigma, and hong kongers tried during the protests of the 19th year, but democracy has been wiped out , we now say that hong kong is under hybrid occupation, because china has their so-called law on national security put all the democrats in prison and destroyed all the free press and now we have what we have hong kong occupied taiwan was never part of the prc it was an independent state with its own history and what is important with own armed forces should not belittle them - this is a serious army, so ivan is a rather serious arms manufacturer and actually one of the best in the region , according to the statements of the pirativan parliament, taiwanese missiles are capable of reaching beijing, that is, they do not feel as bad as hong kong, which is important to understand that the taiwanese are ready to repel the chinese us, that is, their

army is getting stronger, reforms are taking place , the population is more motivated, we even today have taiwanese volunteers in ukraine at the front who are fighting to have the experience of when the chinese enemy of their house comes, that is, i would not say that they can be compared, hong kong fell very quickly because hong kong was completely disarmed, there was no army, there were no armed forces, and hong kong had hopes that britain would intervene on its behalf and fulfill its obligations, but no one has done anything, the taiwanese were thrown into hong kong and ivan is preparing to defend himself, signing treaties, so i would say that there will be a big battle. and of course, taiwan will win, this is not just an empty statement, but these are actually the current forecasts of us military experts, see mr. artura

and the politburo of the chinese communist party, in general, china's policy is very cautious, very like this, it looks sluggish, very gradual , a little bit in china, a little bit to africa , let's go here let's go there and how is it one train, one path, this is a famous story, but there are already many countries that have experienced for themselves what one belt is, one way, they are somehow starting to look in the other direction, there is already friction in pakistan and there and there, that is , china is always very slow, very careful , it will not do anything, so we can . well, the only thing that in the last literally the decade happened. this is zinkiv re-elected for a third term. it was really like that for me too, oh, but there were no more such forceful or even diplomatic leaps. yes , such a step is very careful, very small

. let's probe what is happening here . maybe, maybe hong kong, yes. this is sizingini ancon, these are two such absolutely obvious steps, what do you think china will change , will it start to act more energetically with its so-called authoritarian-totalitarian attitudes , or will it try to continue very in certain areas, there is quite a lot of activity to develop something, but in the rest it is quietly given. we just talked with the american professor that china and america, if not , that is, with russia. he is not very friendly, if he says one thing, but there are no steps. americans are enemies , but still some relations are maintained . that is there is no energy in the chinese . if you say that, i can’t quite agree , that is, if this energy did not exist within

the ukrainian media. and actually, we did not focus on this during the whole decade of the sisinping regime, then of course it is not corresponds to the real facts, because i can name a lot or a little in general of such aspects. of course, the genocide of the yegurs before what it was called. this is a catastrophe. it is a genocide of the level of the holocaust, and the light is drawing attention. 2 million figures are in concentration camps. similar things are happening in tibet and southern mongolia and in general. mass repression, secondly. of course, this is the chinese military base in djibouti , which should fight piracy, but they will be piers capable of holding both aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines. of course, china is trying to build military bases outside the country are the same. that is, all of africa is becoming a training ground for china, and negotiations are underway with america on this matter, and recently china tried to build such a military base

on the islands. that is, there are many such examples . of course, the weapons themselves . the scariest thing for us is that in recent years, china has been systematically conducting military exercises with the russians, that is, russian so-called veteran thugs from donbas and syria who go to china every month or several times a year to train the chinese army , but also in china is starting and how was it in the 21st year that the russians were transferring their own military equipment when such military exercises took place in the occupied eastern tarkostan? these are, of course, flashy moments that ukraine, too , looked at. the problem is that it is possible from the perspective of america , it looks slow because of course

it is difficult to fight against america in such aspects, but if we take it all together and see china's aggressive policy and of course the promise should be ringing beyond what to unite with the ban and what does it mean to unify, to capture a sovereign state, to destroy the sovereign population ? as the chinese ambassador in france said , to reeducate the taiwanese from democracy , we actually have what we have aggressive china , that is, xi jinping really brought it to china to he china was like you said, slow, trivially, now we have the same russia, only under a different flag, then we will return to the economy, if you can talk about it , many people claim that not everything is fine in chinese finances, the economy, and so on and similar e- to the extent that i

adhere to the same opinion because i do not believe in the possibility of a great economy rising on an empty foundation. yes, america became america for many decades and centuries. scheme and the chinese in 30 years - it's chick chick chick chick somewhere they stole somewhere somewhere they borrowed somewhere so somewhere else and i don't believe everything but i'm not an economic financier how strong is the financial and economic strong financial and economic condition of the people's republic of china today actually in china is only going through a financial and economic crisis, it is not in the best conditions now in view of covid and all the restrictions that were trade , but here it is really because china was allowed to become china, it is a factory country and it is a factory country that has suffered greatly in its at the same time, there is another process

that is not entirely related to the economy . of course, it is related to the fact that china has the ability to control the entire regional resource economy, that is, all countries that are extremely rich in terms of oil, gas, and other natural resources. around china, they are all in the orbit of china's interests, that is, tim controls what is called eurasia, that is, central asia , russia and many countries in southeast asia. invasion against taiwan what will it mean to cut it off from the world economy? of course, the losses will be huge for the whole world , but first of all for china, but the chinese communist party is the richest organization in the world, that is , it does not have that amount of money with anyone , and it does not think about people, it is a myth that china thinks in categories, think about its own population, about some kind of development, they are not

interested anymore, they are interested in their imperial ambitions, and even if china is cut off from the world economy, it will still have access to all the key resources of the kharitonovs expert in far eastern politics curator frig hong kong center ukrainian center of free hong kong i'm sorry mr. artur it was very interesting but i simply have no way out i have to give irina koval her word because i always say that she can fire me and i like working here and i hope that i can to do this and in the future so iryna koval is right about helping our country well

, unfortunately, there will be very sad news that the number of victims in zaporizhzhia is increasing. iryna koval welcomes all the viewers and we begin our episode with the situation in zaporizhzhia. the number of victims is increasing today at around five o'clock, rescuers found the body of another woman who died as a result of hitting a high-rise building since the beginning of the work, the bodies of eleven people have been unblocked, including an eight-month-old girl . specialists continue to search for potential victims. victims are being dismantled destroyed building structures, utility workers have already removed more than 300 tons of debris, let me remind you that the russians launched a rocket attack on a residential building in zaporizhzhia on the night of march 2, a 57-year-old man died