[000:00:00;00] the news hour on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval welcomes all viewers and we begin our episode with the situation in zaporizhzhia there. the number of victims is increasing today around five o'clock rescuers found the body of another woman who died as a result of hitting a high - rise building. an eight-month-old girl , specialists continue to search for potential victims, they dismantle destroyed building structures, utility workers have already removed more than

300 tons of debris, i would like to remind you that a rocket attack on a residential building in zaporizhzhia was attacked by the russians on the night of march 2. a 57-year-old man was killed as a result of shelling in the village of levova in the kherson region . the occupiers simply targeted his house. rocket systems of volley fire damaged eight private houses, two farm buildings, a power line and a gas pipeline in the hotel was mutilated in nikopol, the consequences are being clarified. the russians simply dropped a grenade from a drone on a police car. the operatives were on their way to a call in the village of antonivka in the kherson region. the regional police reports that four law enforcement officers were hospitalized with shrapnel wounds and concussions . of the united coordination press center of the defense forces of the south of ukraine

nataliya humenyuk this is exactly the same case when the enemy tries to change their tactics cannot reach the appropriate firing positions based on the left bank . since we are knocking them out from there, they use drones precisely during the training of law enforcement officers according to their functional duties . air defense in this direction, the cabinet of ministers will prepare a decision on what communities need for budgetary sustainability , this will happen in march, the president said volodymyr zelenskyi he added that the corresponding changes to the law on the state budget will be proposed to the parliament at its meeting, which were actually combined

by the congress meeting, approved the state anti-corruption program, these are systemic steps that give the state more transparency and society more opportunities for interaction with the state in bila tserkva , kyiv region, volunteers complain on the quality of the winter uniforms that the city government bought for them , the other day our local editorial office received an official answer from the officials where uniforms were purchased with community funds, despite the obvious non-compliance with technical requirements, the clothes for the soldiers were never replaced, even though it is already spring on the street, gerashchenko will continue the love i will continue with the military uniform of the combat unit of ukraine named after semyon palia, who in january sent a complaint to the city council about the low-quality tailoring of the uniforms, finally i received a reply from the officials, the letter says that

the complaints have been considered and that the shortage should be replaced as soon as possible, as the soldiers of the unit note on the calendar already in march. there were no reactions. but the famous military uniform was almost never worn by us and it was difficult to pass it . four enterprises, two of them -

a limited liability company and two fops, and more, they are scattered in different regions of ukraine, the military is indignant, they say that the money for which they bought a low-quality product is not justified, a uniform, cheap, disposable and unknown how it was purchased, when the tender was written, there were deadlines and this is where i want to emphasize about shoes i.e., the negotiations went on as far as the taxon knows, who promised to bring high-quality shoes from turkey, but they said that the deadline would be somewhere on december 25. they said it was too late. that is, there is a difference, as far as i remember. 10 days, well, 10 days, you could have waited, but in 10 days , they gave out unnecessary money, wrote off the funds, well, you have to learn to put them in your pocket by the new year. at the word of the volunteers, deputy mayor yuriy savchuk assured us that on the contrary, during the acceptance of the goods under the above

-mentioned contracts, claims regarding the quantity and quality were not detected , there were no appeals regarding low-quality sewn clothes from representatives of the dft , and therefore the executive committee of the bilotserkiv city council did not contact the suppliers with regarding the return of the exchange or compensation for the purity of the experiment, we go to the owner of one of the branded enterprises for tailoring clothes in bila tserkva to have an expert assess the quality of such a product. as raisa boyko emphasizes, the technical conditions for the manufacture of military uniforms must comply with all state standards. and this clothing has a significant deviation from the norms the fabric falls apart in the hands and that's all because they are sewn from cheap material, for such things, factories use special reinforced threads it's difficult because it's already ready

, or they reduced it, passed it on the allowance for freedom of movement , the reconstruction was incorrect because the second option is a fabric, there are two options. такое давать в мирное время в военное время so that these people should be punished. well, look what 's going on. it's raging on the market of military goods . you can find a wide variety of high-quality clothing and orthopedic shoes. compare prices. we decided in one of the special stores in the city where things are presented directly from the manufacturer, for example, here the fleeces cost from uah 1,000, it is more expensive than in ten, but the quality is much better, the hats correspond to the market price of uah 150, the same and in the purchase, the jacket and pants also have approximately the same

cost as in the store of branded uniforms . but the city authorities paid for low-quality shoes, as well as for orthopedic and leather ones, city officials decided to buy winter uniforms for soldiers only in mid-december, so we hope to provide defenders of already summer uniforms, they are conceived much earlier than when the air temperature will be plus 20°. dear gerashchenko oleksandr koga espresso bila tserkva a meeting of generals arrived in ukraine the chief of defense staff of the canadian armed forces wayne eyre informed about this, general valeriy zaluzhnyi noted that he informed his colleague in detail about the operational situation at the front, he paid special attention to the eastern direction, they also discussed the supply of military aid, weapons and of ammunition , the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine

emphasized that ukraine and canada will continue to develop cooperation in the field of security and defense. those who fled the war in ukraine robbed their own and stole things worth more than 1 million euros in spain . they arrested a group of criminals who robbed the houses of ukrainian refugees . of the country, seven ukrainians and three russians were arrested, the police do not rule out that new victims will be found and new arrests will be made since the beginning of the war, spain has received 160,000 of ukrainian refugees who were granted temporary protection, three planes with humanitarian aid were sent to ukraine

by saudi arabia, the total value of the cargo was $100 million, the countries agreed on this during a recent visit to kyiv. 400 kw of warm blankets and hygiene products will be sent to six regions for the urgent needs of people. her name is lisa. for three days, this kitty was in a dilapidated apartment in zaporizhzhia. the rescuers managed to pull her out from under the rubble, the kitten is very frightened , but according to external signs , she was not injured.

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his name is oleg gorbachev, an international lawyer lawyer, it's just very important to talk to me. it seems to me about these possible lawsuits against the russians, against the russian leadership , and so on. it was similar. it seems very important to me. oleg. thank you for finding time for us. thank you for being with us. so, mr. gorbachev, lawyer , international lawyer. oleg, look e as far as i understand, i could be wrong , please correct me, because i am not a lawyer, i am not a lawyer, and i do not know anything about jurisprudence , but what i see is that the dictator appears first, then the court appears, not vice versa for to me, this suggests that there will be some other court, it will not be nuremberg, it will not be the hague, it will be something third, that is, a third dictator has appeared in the world, who would now scare everyone, and for

this we need special laws, special rules, special procedures, in short, a lot something special and a special place, it may not necessarily be where the former dictators were, they fell like miloševy, or how much did hitler shoot, and so on , something like that in central africa are it just african dictators or am i right or is there logic in my words, so definitely at the moment a special international tribunal should be created because at the moment there is no possibility of bringing to justice the top leadership of the russian federation in those institutions that currently exist, first of all in the international criminal court they cannot be brought to justice because neither the russian federation nor ukraine has ratified the rome statutes and, secondly, based on the decision

of the un security council, it is also not possible to create this tribunal, since the russian federation will block any decision, since it is a permanent member of such a group, therefore, the only mechanism today is the agreement of western countries and ukraine to create a special tribunal that can bring the highest leadership of the russian federation for crimes of aggression against ukraine , mr. oleg is there agreement i understand that this is not definitively intermediate, that is, the parties ukraine and western countries understand each other are ready to work ready to go to the end and create something like that if there are legal conditions for this created well, as i understand it. from the last meeting at the so-called legal ramshant, an agreement was agreed on the creation of an international center for the prosecution of the crime of aggression

against ukraine, and such a center will be created in gaza, and er, i hope that after that er, it will already be created exactly a specific tribunal will be an agreement regarding its creation , an agreement will be signed between different countries , the founding documents will also be in place, which will prescribe the procedures, how exactly such a tribunal will take place, and considering to the fact that such a counter to the so-called legal rammstem has begun. i hope that this year such a tribunal will start work, but as much as we can. i think that now everyone who watches the program is shouting yes in chorus with you. and if putin stays in russia, it is impossible to attract him, he won’t go

, and so on and so on, people like that don’t know that miloše , after all, serbia itself sent everything into a gaga, but it’s just interesting how much you can imagine the real steps, putin will just sit there or go for example, to china, which will not extradite him. yes, for example, i don’t think that he will go to africa, because there he will be robbed very quickly, and china can be there, and together with a beautiful lukashenko, they will sit on their estates somewhere on the sea or on the ocean, that is, at this moment, how can you to imagine the high-ranking leaders of the russian federation really being put on trial, well, in general, realistically speaking, such access will be possible only after the government in the russian federation is

overthrown and they will already lose their immunity and not will be leaders in the russian federation, but work in this direction should be started already now if we recall the parallels from nuremberg with which tribunal, then work on its creation began in 1942 , an agreement was signed regarding its creation, that is, during the hostilities of actions, work on the tribunal was started and anyway in the end, it was carried out in practice, bringing to justice the aggression of the aggressors of that time , therefore it is finally necessary for such a special tribunal to work and work in this direction should continue right now, one more question, not only if we are in my head all the time nuremberg and everything around the second world war and the results and

so on. participation and so on, but you and i understand as a historian by e-e by this you are a lawyer by diploma that there were many courts, but the sessions were all against those against those about not only in germany against collaborators in france against collaborators in holland and so on that is, it is not some kind of court that will come, even in the best case, putin will appear and be convicted. well, okay, when someone else is there, it will be massive. that is, i would say this is a new era of jurisprudence, because there will be many judges, many prosecutors, many lawyers from different european countries who will defend and accuse a huge tens of thousands of people, how many are there now in ukraine, they say in the army

there are 5,500 russians, 500,000 people, well, 500,000. well , give me officers there, i don’t know. 20,000 means they all give criminal orders. there is also the fsb. is there russian police or is there something else ? that is, how much ? to work on bringing them to justice , we have an international and criminal court that has the authority to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity, and also on friday the cabinet of ministers confirmed and

approved the agreement on the establishment of the office of the international criminal court on the territory of ukraine, therefore it is already possible to collect all the evidence and carry out work on bringing to justice the war criminals of the russian federation who committed these war crimes, and the key role of such a special tribunal in general will be prosecution the higher echelons to responsibility for crimes of aggression as far as possible. in the current realities, in the currently created institutions, it is impossible to bring them to justice , since there is no mechanism for the issue of genocide , so i thought about it for a long time a lot of different legal ones, well, half of them are unclear, definitely or not the same education, ah, works, i read about genocides and understood that you just lived the words aggression, that proving aggression is much easier than proving genocide, genocide is very difficult to prove, but in ukraine

, it seems to me that there are already some isolated ones there are already mass evidences, i called it, you know, you can make fun of me because you are a lawyer, passport genocide is so unique , genocytes are needed for this , it seems to me, well, you are a definition, everything is new, that is, it does not matter, you would be a ukrainian, a russian, a pole jews, romanians, magyars, yes, but if you have a ukrainian passport, that's the minimum you need. what you will go through is filtering, if you do . and yes, you will go through torture and murder, that is, passport genocide if you have one, regardless of your nationality , if you have a russian one. a passport is a ukrainian passport, the russian is obliged, according to their internal regulations , to do something with you, to suspect you of the fact that you

must be punished in some way, or at this moment, will it be possible to count on the fact that genocide is it possible to accuse ukraine of genocide against russia, is it a very complicated procedure and very difficult to prove ? yes, it is difficult, but given the presence of a large number of articles russian propagandists published there on various platforms where they proved that there was allegedly no ukraine does not exist, so it can be done on the basis of these publications, on the basis of them, too, everything about the need for denazification can definitely be linked that it was provoked by the policy regarding the genocide of the ukrainian people and also what they did what crimes in the same mariupoli. i was personally born in this place. i passed through these filtration camps

, and therefore definitely, with the crimes committed by the russians, it can be concluded that ukraine has every right to blame genocide , but this connection needs to be proven with an evidence base through publications. theses , what kind of russian propagandists are they, and to bring it to the international level, and to prove the connection of the russian federation to the commission of this crime, this is a question, but sooner or later, a ukrainian lawyer and ukrainian lawyers, ukrainian lawyers, they are well, we understand that in ukraine there is a great distrust of such bodies, yes, the courts are all corrupt, prosecutors take bribes, and so on and so forth. and then the question arises, for example

, of the human rights court and the european one, whether the understanding of ukrainian lawyers is commensurate with european ones. it won't be like that, well, since we know that this is our enemy, well, there is some yes collaborator, a russian military officer, and he is really being condemned here because everyone is angry with him, well, everyone understands what he is talking about, and he submits to the european court because ukraine did not follow the procedures of the fifth thing, we know that the democrats are a procedure something very often my boys are neglected in ukraine and here are all the evidence bases, here are absolutely convincing evidences, here is competition between prosecutors , lawyers, and here in it is obvious to me that i am on the side of the lawyers, because they train constantly, and

the prosecutor from the soviet times is still used to such prosecutors in our country, not one and not two, that he can still meet a judge in some office somewhere and he does not need to prove competition is absent, i just said give him three years, the judge gave him two and a half, everything is okay, that is, are ukrainian jurisprudence and ukrainian lawyers ready for such challenges , if they were post-modern legal ones , yes, definitely. our national courts have already issued many verdicts. in such a case, the evidence base must be thoroughly prepared and it should not be. well , the process must be sufficiently speedy to collect all this evidence so that this verdict will then stand in of the european court of human rights, i.e. its ordinary russian military. he has no authority after

the judgment becomes legally binding on the territory of ukraine, he has the right to appeal to the european court of human rights and in such a case that in the future in this instance eh well there was no eh well, he stood yes, there is no verdict, it is necessary to gather a thorough evidence base into thorough testimony and carry out effective work on bringing such military apprentices to justice. it will be organized in gas, well, it is clear why, because there is a gathering of many lawyers, and the place, who can determine the place of the main event, well, relatively speaking , it is the nuremberg of the 21st century. for example, ukraine will play some role, it will have some

right of veto, for example, yes, because we we remember a long time ago, in the spring of last year, they said that let's hold a court in mariupol. i think it will be right. well, ukraine has every right to the fact that it came from these large-scale crimes, so that such a tribunal really exists were held in one of the ukrainian cities that suffered from such aggression of the russian federation, therefore definitely i believe that the position of ukraine will be the key to choosing the final location of such a tribunal. they all need to live lawyers, prosecutors, judges , lawyers, and so on and so on, this is also a question of where to place thousands. i am convinced that

at least thousands of people will participate like this or otherwise, the security of the pass, the house must be restored, maybe that theater is terrible, terrible, another crime of the russian authorities , that is, a difficult story with mariupol. and maybe there will be something like this in moscow. do you think there are any possibilities to hold such and such a court hearing in moscow? well, that's all. it depends on that. who will come to power after the overthrow of this regime of the putin regime of the russian federation, who will come to power but i still think that the venue is not the key , the key is that it was finally created such a mechanism finally to our western partners and ukraine have agreed that this special tribunal should be created and that this

process should be completed this year and that the statute of such a tribunal should be created, the founding documents regarding its creation have been worked out, that is, the key thing is that this institution should finally work, and the place , in my opinion, is secondary well, your feeling is that you are optimistic in the sense that it can happen that i understand that it is not fast, these are all legal processes, if we talk to you about legal procedures, they are not very fast, but we we can say that in the 23rd year such a thing can appear, that is, in 10 months we will say, and i think that it is possible, and in view of the fact that representatives of the ministry of various of our western partners were already meeting in lviv yesterday , i think that this is finally the case a specific work has arrived and in 2020 in the third year it should be created, i thank you very much , but gorbachev, an international lawyer, a lawyer, we talked about

the hopes of my mr. oleg that this year a special tribunal regarding mr. putin will work and that all the necessary legal parameters will be determined there eventually they will allow us to organize this tribunal, maybe we will organize it, and we will continue to watch , and a lot will depend on ukraine's western partners and, first of all, on the ukrainian army and the ukrainian military. evening good evening, i'll be in russian then. okay , i heard the accent, not ukrainian. listen, you're a krutinsky in everything, i have a georgian accent , well, you can't speak georgian. more remember at the end of the program how georgia