[000:00:00;00] it will fuel a new wave of mobilization, it will fuel their new appetites, it will lead to the destruction of another ukrainian city, to the point of tragedy, therefore, from a human point of view, we still want to hold bakhmut and from here start the ukrainian counteroffensive, which we are all waiting for yuriy you yourself said that war is such a large long-term party, if then focus on strategic art, does it make sense from a strategic point of view to keep the defense of bahmut if it is at the cost of heavy losses, did you mention severodonetsk and lysychansk? we remember the statements of the military leadership ukraine and the political then, which appreciates great losses, ukraine will not hold the territory, but hm will do it the most, well, a suitable and successful moment, and what do you say here, you really know i am a soldier, that is, i am a figure on the field and of course it is better when our leadership sometimes

sacrifices a cell on the field and not as a figure on the field, because their task is to preserve the army, and then this army will repel everything and defeat the enemy and defeat the enemy. and there is another side . if we want to go to the state borders of ukraine and liberate the whole country, then if we we will have to retreat from this city, then we will have to repulse it. and as practice shows, assault actions bring much more human casualties than business than defensive battles . comment, i wish you stability yuriy syrotyuk, deputy chairman of the all-ukrainian freedom association, joined us live and we talked about what is happening in bakhmut and in the bakhmut direction. thank you very much. and about what

is happening and may happen in the direction of bakhmut in the coming days or maybe even weeks, what is the strategic importance of the defense of bakhmut and what actions can be taken in the future , the russian military leadership will decide whether they will capture bakhmut in the future or will they still stop at the tricks eh what are there options, this is what we will talk about now, military analyst , veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, oleksiy hetman, joins our broadcast, we, and you , congratulations. well, today there was a message from the ukrainian institute for the study of war about that the ukrainian forces are likely to carry out a limited tactical withdrawal from bakhmut, although it is still too early to assess ukraine's intentions regarding such a complete withdrawal, analysts said, but how do you see the tactics of the ukrainian military in the direction of bakhmut now and how it may change in the coming days or perhaps weeks if the retreat drags on or hours even hm the fact is that we are still

holding the defense of bakhmut its excuse the information about the limited from the segment of the entire settlement because from the north and from the south it is already half surrounded by bakhmut there the distance between the northern and southern groups of russian troops is 5-7 km. that is, it is a distance that can be fired not only from artillery, but also from mortars, even with small arms from machine guns . for now, there are roads along which we can move what is necessary for the conduct of the battle to the defenders of bakhmut and to take out those who are eager to do other things, to move, to do some work, then i think it makes sense to hold this defense and keep this settlement if the enemy continues to be there or squeeze us out of the block by attacking directly already on the streets they are behaving badly and or they are trying to surround this place again, of course leaving people there surrounded

or in the risk of moto risks of the environment makes no sense, then it is better to leave, leave not tens of kilometers behind the times, the ravine is further there, kostyantynivka, well, it is quite far but these cities have already been fortified , professional structures have been built there, a people's support platoon, etc. the statement from the president's office at least stated that the military-political leadership of ukraine has decided to hold the defense of the city for the time being. well, i still believe that decisions should be made not by the military-political leadership, but exclusively by the military leadership when it directly concerns hostilities. on the battlefield well, if bakhmut has some political meaning for well, maybe to maintain an image on the charm for some others for some other purpose, then it is quite

possible to agree with the fact that let it be a military-political decision, but once again to maintain defense in a half-ruined city, the people who are there say that it is difficult to gain a foothold because, well, in a destroyed building, you will not build any fortifications, it is not much different from a field from an ordinary trench . therefore, so far the decision has been made, we have heard many conversations about that there are disputes between, as it were, disputes between mr. zelenskyi and mr. zaluzhny. i think that this is all simple and psos on the part of the russian federation in order to drive a wedge and raise a wave of some of our negative posts on various social networks. i think that this is how a special operation, an information special operation, it is written by a german publication, the pain really reports that there is allegedly a dispute between luzhnyi and zelenskyi, that luzhnyi allegedly recommended leaving the city a few weeks ago. why do you think

that this is not true? well, you know, there is a desire to quarrel with our enemies, to kill our military and political leadership , well, so that the people well, now there is already a lot of talk in social networks that it seems that general zaluzhnyk is a professional general, and he has shown himself more than once that he is very good it is understood in military affairs, it seems that he wants to withdraw the troops, but president zelensky seems to be contradicting himself in this decision and makes such a political decision that he will hold on to the last well, of course , he divided it for action into well, if not too much, what number will consider that it is, well, how well, relatively speaking, the earthly side of zelenskyi, that he must be kept, the other side, the earth, the side of the industrious, this is exactly what our enemies want to achieve, so that people begin to divide our military-political leadership into some

separate individual personalities, and start to be there for zaluzhnyi against zelenskyi or for zelenskyi anti-dependent, well, this is this information war, this is this information sabotage in order to divide our society at least in this way , so far we, well, we are the only one, we trust both the president and so and so and the main team, if it is a worthy cause, it still seems to me that this is a certain certain action on the part of the russian propagandists of the stake of the supreme command that held the meeting, of course different opinions of different specialists are expressed there and they did not necessarily have to coincide with each other they were supposed to be somehow different, but they came to a consolidated decision that suits everyone and made a decision, well, as of today , as you say, there is information that so far the command has not withdrawn the troops, there has been no departure, you said that this issue may not be days, but even hours , yes

allow me one more question, if possible briefly. the fact is that well, first of all , even our military-political leadership says the voice, this is sometimes also part of the information war against the russian federation. we remember how there were conversations about the fact that kherson must be immediately liberated, and kharkiv was mobilized, and it was unexpected for the russian federation , so you know it's true. yes, it can be quite completely in this sense, it was actually said another very important withdrawal of troops, even a small number of troops, this is from the point of view of military affairs it is more difficult to do this than, for example, to organize an attack, an organized withdrawal of troops, because of this, it is a more complicated military operation than an offensive before and once again . another one, more precisely, no one will immediately get on buses to withdraw troops. how are people they are leaving from somewhere there, no, they are leaving, they are gradually forming a group whose departure is being covered up, and this is not advertised

in any case, it will only become known later that it really worked out, so maybe it was on the contrary, it was just counter propaganda on our part counter disinformation on our part , in order to mislead the samorussians , so you know. well, we can analyze looking from the side in the big picture. and how do we actually make a decision, what are the movements of our troops actually happening there? it really can be. we will find out in time. it may even be because of what it is. they may. yes, it may be in days. it may be in a week. everything will happen as it should . we will maintain our defense. informed that this is a rotation, there was a certain rotation of our armed forces there, so let's see, you know. i think that we will be watching . i think that in the next few days bakhmut - it will definitely be under the crosshairs of our attention. thank you

very much oleksiy hetman, military analyst a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, we talked about how the events around the city of bakhmut may develop, thank you well, one more topic that we cannot bypass ukraine got a new leader, semen kryvonos became a nabun , about him we will now talk separately and in detail, but i just want to remind you what by law, the head of the nabu is elected for a period of 7 years . the national anti-corruption bureau investigates corruption and other criminal crimes in which top officials of the country are involved. was the first head in the history of nabu. well, accordingly, semen kryvonos became the second. the decision on his appointment was made by the cabinet of ministers today. well, in general, the procedure is like this. at first , the competition goes on. the cabinet of ministers should appoint three as the head of nabu for 7 years, in addition, prime minister denys shmyhal

today suggested the newly appointed director of nabu kryvonos to consider the possibility of appointing two other candidates who entered the final three are serhii gupyak and romana sypchuk for leadership positions in nabu. well, i will also add that independence for nabu is one of the main principles according to the law , because nabu suspects are, in particular, people's deputies, judges, representatives of the president's office . well, and in the midst of the competition for the position of head of the nabu. my colleagues from the scheme program , investigative journalists, took a close look at all the candidates, and serious questions arose about some of them already at the testing stage , in particular, there were questions about the seeds of kryvonos the current head of the nabu let's recall a fragment of this investigation and then continue semen kryvonos another candidate for the director of the nabu who is familiar with the current deputy head of the president's office oleksiy kuleba when kuleba worked in the kyiv city state administration kryvonos's wife worked with him interestingly i

whined oleksiy nothing at all well, i know , i know him, professional, nothing, when did you find out, how did it happen, look, i will answer all the questions after the political tasks, i need to read more, you understand together worked very occasionally well, this happened now, the candidate is the head of the state inspection of architecture and urban planning of ukraine, the institution in particular that issues construction licenses, politician mykhailo saakashvili previously wrote that kryvonos was fully supported for this position by the current head of the president's office , andriermak, the candidate has a history of bribery. and what this is a story about receiving , there was no bribery, the suspect is not accused. according to the statement, the person who tried to give me a bribe

was detained as the scheme was found out with the candidate . in fact, two different cases were connected with bribes for the same amount of $120,000. in one case he was a whistleblower and he was still investigating another case in 2014. it was investigated by the sbu, according to the court register, the head of one of the village councils of obukha of kyiv oblast allegedly entered into a criminal conspiracy, including with the head of the registration service of the local administration of justice, and demanded an illegal benefit for the allocation of a plot of land in in the amount of $120,000. kryvonos in the 14th year according to his autobiography, he was the head of this registration service. kryvonos himself explained that the version of the investigation was not confirmed, and the prosecutor general's office informed that the case was closed due to the absence of a crime in 2016. kryvonos already won the competition for the director of the odesa territorial administration, but

refused to accept this position, why were there certain manipulative information due to the fact that the nabu body was created at that time. it was only the establishment of this institution, i decided to refuse and stay working in the position in the odesa customs office, the candidate refused his position when at that time the journalist dmytro gnap was preparing a publication about the failure to include in his declaration an apartment that was not commensurate with his then earnings and the initiation of an investigation into possible bribery. well, today , after it became known that semyon kryvonosa was the head of the nabu in the center of the opposition of corruption stated that the newly appointed head of the nabu with zero experience in investigating corruption and with ties to andrii yarmak's deputy directly named a number of anti-corruption experts kryvonosa is politically dependent on the president's office well, the journalist of the radio freedom-scheme project and serhiy andrushko joins our broadcast serhiy my congratulations, congratulations

we when last month we saw this is your investigation about how the contests for the position of the head of the nabu are conducted, in particular, you showed us and e -e the seeds of kryvonos and you know sergey , i always had this impression . they probably won't make it to the top three finalists. and they definitely won't lead the nabu, and when i saw that the heroes of your investigations were among the three finalists and one of them headed the nabu, i thought, well, i've missed it, so tell me, please. that's when you recorded the interview with him when i was telling his story, you assumed that this person would lead nabu , er, you see, the hypothesis was not confirmed. he was one of the candidates who passed two tests on legislation and er, on

iq tests, and it turns out that, like other candidates, he could pretending to be the director of nabu. however, i will remind you that all this happened at the time when ruslan gabrielyan was unexpectedly excluded from the competition, this is a nabu detective who in particular began to investigate the case of one of the deputy heads of the president's office, namely tatarova, the name was heard there, here we are now winter ruslana gabriela is a dachshund, and in the light of this, since it was such a controversial story, he was expelled due to the fact that he apparently does not have the necessary managerial experience. however, all this happened after he successfully passed two tests for which no it is impossible to influence in essence, this is truly objective. objective assessment and took second place in the overall rating, and suddenly, after that, the head of the commission draws

attention to the fact that he seems to have doubts about whether the gabrion actually has this managerial experience and already the commission later excludes him from the competition and in its material we also said that there are two candidates for the director of nabu who are connected with the office of the president and in particular semyon kryvonos who became the director of nabu moreover if you noticed today when appointed in the cabinet of ministers to the position of kryvonos seeds, the prime minister of ukraine if god recommended and also you see other a-a finalists e his deputies deputy director nabu however, are they really uh-uh or whether however, it is very interesting in such detail because a-ah if it is necessary to realize that exactly the director of the nabu should do this. and since

he acquired it, it should be an independent body that is not influenced by him, this will be the first case that should be followed, whether he will appoint a new head of the nabu or listen to recommendations of the head of the cabinet of ministers and will appoint as deputies those recommended by the prime minister of ukraine, which means that the deputies hmm passed some kind of internal check in the government, also no, no , it means that the prime minister recommended appointing those who made it to the final together with a crooked nose, since one of them is already working for us, there is only one left, the one who is not working for us, this is serhiy guppik. he works in the dbr, so the one who works in the dbr, as we once made a material about the head of the current head of the dbr, who was appointed the competition was right in the office of the president and actually uh and that will be enough uh i think this

is the first such case of his there will be a new head , did he listen to the recommendation of the cabinet of ministers or not because uh according to the law of ukraine a- but it is an independent body and can investigate the case of any top official on corruption issues, and it is the director who decides which of the deputies he should appoint and with what powers, whether he will appoint or not appoint this, and we will be interested in that watch what well if to be appointed means that he listened to the recommendation of the cabinet of ministers, and here the question will be the following: to what extent is the director of the new office truly independent. and if he does not listen, then this will be a sign that he is independent.

will be carried out, and we, their journalists, will also monitor the work of the new head of nabu because, as we know, it is nabu that begins the corruption investigation of some officials together with sap - it is a specialized anti-corruption prosecutors, then the cases go to the new anti-corruption higher anti-corruption court, all these institutions were created after the revolution of dignity at the request of the public, and actually to reduce corruption among high -ranking officials. kryvonos headed the nabu thank you very much well, i will remind you if you watch us on the internet just like this broadcast now, in this way you will support our

work well, what can we expect from the nabu in the next seven years? are there really serious reasons to believe that the new nabu head will be inclined to fulfill someone's political will, and if so, what consequences can the newly elected head of busa man kryvonos have already managed to record a video message today, he thanked for the appointment and assured that it will be open to the public. and i also mentioned god, let's listen. good day. i am grateful to the competition commission for the professionally organized and open competition . i am grateful to prime minister denys shmygel and to the cabinet of ministers of ukraine for appointing me to the extremely responsible position of director of the national anti-corruption bureau of ukraine, it will be a great honor for me to work side by side with the professional and coordinated staff of the bureau. i will remain open to civil society, journalists , professional organizations and international partners. i will make maximum efforts to preserve the independence of the bureau and the development

of this institution, as well as the highest indicator of efficiency, i will consider when every corrupt person in ukraine before even to think about committing a corruption offense, the people of ukraine and the national anti -corruption bureau were afraid of three things : god, as journalist-investigator mykhailo tkach noted today. this is a note from a journalist to our broadcast , a lawyer of the anti-corruption center vadim valko vadim good evening. how do you like the appointment of semena kryvonos to the position of head of the nabu, are you satisfied with it the candidacy chosen by the cabinet of ministers well, we, the public, sent the commission critical remarks about the possible political connections of mr. kryvonos even before the story with his relative

, it is his wife's parents, they at one time took a mortgage loan from the bank for almost 800,000 dollars, then they could not to give it in some strange way. years later, when that bank was liquidated, they bought out a significant, i.e., many million-equivalent debt for uah 24,000. well, in general, there were, of course, questions about the possible connections of mr. kryvonos with the president's office more than once mr. yermak was mentioned, in particular, when kryvonos was appointed to the position of the head of the diam, then, since mr. kryvonos was thrown out of saakashvili's team, saakashvili wrote a post about the fact that they tried to knock kryvonos out of the contest for the head of dian, and it was thanks to mr. yarmak's intervention that all these attempts to knock him out of it succeeded competition, uh, to fend off them, since a bloodhound headed this organization , that is, does this not cause a certain dependence, or

is there gratitude for this appointment, we do not know, i would say that often when a person is appointed to an elected position, he receives in the atom of trust, the skunk is a certain reverse situation, there is such a point of distrust, that is, there are great risks that there may be political influences, and external pressure on the work of the new director of the bureau, and here it is not out of envy, mr. kryvonos, he will have to prove that and about the fact that he is really independent and any e there actions will be taken under his leadership , his decisions, his internal orders, well, they will be examined under the maximum microscope of the public by a civilian controller, an external observer, as well as by the public control of the nabu. i think that the journalists obviously did the same up to several times. the state inspection of urban planning architecture was headed by mr. kryvonos. and actually he is accused of having no experience in fighting

corruption. on the other hand, he was the head of this state inspection of urban planning, and is this a serious flaw? it should not be considered as a disadvantage that a person has no experience in fighting corruption, well, this can be a problem , it is obvious that the person who heads the nabu does not carry out a direct investigation, but the director of the nabu has the powers provided for by the criminal procedural code, in particular. there, the director of the nabu can impose a preliminary arrest on a certain night of the funds in the accounts, the director of the nabu can , through the introduction with the prosecutor ostap , determine the responsibility of certain proceedings of the zanebu, even if the cpc directly this song according to it, it does not provide, accordingly, i do not understand that these features are so difficult for a person without experience to effectively manage e-e, on the other hand, the investigation in nabu e-e

is carried out by detectives, there is a separate chief the detective unit is headed by mr. andriyka lzhynskyi, and in principle it is procedural and quite independent , so the body is directly there to give instructions to detectives to carry out some investigative actions or to designate a group of detectives on a specific case . this body , as the head of the pre-trial investigation body, i am still the head of the detective division , that's why i was asked questions by all the numerous texts on knowledge tests for the presence of any political connections in dependence and so on. well, in fact, the competition included a set of taps with tests for knowledge of the law and tests for the so-called jannelle

skills , that is, for general skills, logical thinking, arithmetic skills. mr. gabrielyan's commission screened out one candidate who withdrew, and in fact 20 people passed the stage regarding good deeds . unfortunately, i stopped hearing you. i hope that we will now recruit again. vadim valko , a lawyer at the anti-corruption center, we talked about the appointment of semena kryvonos to the position of the head of the nabu, the nabu leader is elected for 7 years, and this is a key person in the entire anti-corruption infrastructure, so to speak, there is a sap leader, there is a nabu leader, there is a higher anti-corruption court, and these are three key institutions that deal with corruption investigations and pass appropriate sentences if this or that official is involved in corruption and therefore the election of the head of the nabu

is a very important story, and in addition and in addition , i will remind you that the election of the head of the nabu was one of the requirements of both the international monetary fund and the european union in order for ukraine to confirm its participation in its status as an eu candidate i will get a leader, there are three finalists, and then the prime minister comes out and says i recommend kryvonos. and on what grounds does he choose kryvonos? does he randomly draw papers with their names or does he study their biographies are very meticulous, or he sends them to an interview at a bank and from there he already receives a call . how does it happen? well, according to the law, the prime minister really chooses one of the three whom he recommends to the cabinet of ministers to accept. this is

the election of one of the three prime ministers. there are five days and then 10 days to the cabinet of ministers, as if it should consider the candidates to study the information , since everything actually happened in us in such a turbo mode on saturday, there were three on monday, the vote was already made, obviously the winner is in the cabinet of ministers, and it is obvious that prime minister denys acts, i do not give advice on the fact, there is only himself. i am sure that the candidacy of this was discussed in the president's office , that is, the one who was actually determined after the election of the three was elected immediately, that's why there are many questions before this appointment, there are great risks of that that the activities of the nabu may now be affected by political pressure and well, we all understand that this will all be seen there in a few months, will the same detectives who have been building

the institution for 7 years, have already shown their independence will the investigations continue or will there be new investigations into the representatives of the authorities, will they be closed? some of these proceedings that have already been going on for a long time and may also relate to persons connected there with some powerful elites, that is, all these markers will be visible and here it is also very important that mr. kryvonos, as the new director, will acquire er, and in his personal interests, if he wants to prove his independence, to make it so that er , after a certain time, there will be an independent external audit of the activities for any prescribed by law i would like to remind you that international organizations recommend candidates to the cabinet of ministers and appoint these candidates in the international audit, e.e., they will examine the activities of perov, they will evaluate the effectiveness of the work of both the institution and the director, well, it is obvious that in a year, such an audit will definitely be possible to do there, and according to vadim's plan, thank you very much here i want to separate the main thing that you said with a marker, so the main thing will be whether