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the usual tv channel . time, the usual program, the usual presenter, my name is yuri fizer, and this is the world during the war, which is broadcast every monday at 12 and 13 on the espresso tv channel and everywhere where we have not yet been excluded. of course, you can watch also on youtube, anyone who watches us on youtube immediately has a huge request for you , please put a like if you like our program. i really like it. us and it is important for our program to be watched by as many people as possible on youtube. by the way , you can watch us on youtube both on the general e-channel of our tv channel and also on the special channel created for the world during the war program so, having said that, now there are a few things that i always have to remind you before introducing guests to you. as usual, today there is also a poll today for those who

watch us on youtube. we asked the following question: why did lukashenko go to china? as usual, there are three possible answers. economic contracts, the second is to help russia circumvent western sanctions, and the third is your option , write your option, but it will be possible to read it only after the program is published on youtube. by the way, there are already 27 votes from 27 people voted yes, 22 believe that lukashenko went to beijing to sign economic contracts 78 believe that he went to help russia somehow circumvent western sanctions well , no one has written your version yet, and now 325 people are watching us , we will create it on a separate youtube channel specially for the world during the war join vote and i'm starting and i'm ready to introduce my first guest, this is yuliya

osmolovska, director of the kyiv office of globs sec ms. yuliya i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes mrs. yuliya i'm very glad that you joined today because you will be able to give answers to the questions that i have prepared for you and which i am sure are difficult for many of us to understand ourselves. it is obvious that at the end of last week german chancellor olaf scholz went to washington in washington in the united states of america, he met with joe biden on friday, but from what i read the information was that there were such, you know , even they even said with a few words but there is a lot left behind the scenes, please tell ms. yulia a-a it was a meeting of some partners, allies, friends , was there anything different anyway, because let’s remember the story of how

they persuaded each other to give, they persuaded to give tanks first, joe biden. i would answer if you give abrams . that is, it was still a meeting of friends and allies or not, or rather, yes, it is possible to talk about a meeting of friends and allies , because uh, in the comments to your meeting and the american and german sides referred to a previous meeting that was also held in the united states in february of last year , when both countries, in the context of the accumulation of russian troops on the borders with ukraine , actually warned and called for a single response and a rather harsh response from the side of the western partners for possible invasions. and actually now from the side it has been stated that what we predicted , we actually adhered to it. that is, you see that

the unity is trans-atlantic, it is strong, there is no there is absolutely no reason to believe that there are any cracks, this is already a statement by the spokesman of the white house, john kirby. regarding this meeting and the two main issues that i will discuss during this meeting, this is a complex issue of aid to ukraine, because in total, in terms of the amount of all aid provided to ukraine first, he and germany take second place after the united states and are considered the largest donor of about 15 mln dollars. germany has undertaken to help ukraine in one way or another, military and economic financial, the other and the second question - this is precisely in the context of accusations or possible information about the fact that china is unofficially but still helping the russian federation

with some military equipment, this issue was also discussed by the parties, but just in case , first of all, we can state relative unity opinions, on the question of china, here the positions of the parties diverge somewhat, because the united states believes that there are grounds, there is information that indicates that china is helping russia in some way, while european partners and germany, in particular, talk about the fact that there is no such data to date and therefore they cannot talk about it for sure ms. yuliya well, from what you said, i understood that this meeting is two people who go hand in hand . if we talk about supporting ukraine and not one is somehow faster than the other, yes, here it cannot be said that they are going in different directions, they are going side by side, but germany, and through the mouth of the embassy itself, says that the american

side really has the leadership here, and in this regard, you can even refer to the complementary nature of personal assessments the president of the united states is blinded by the fact that he is the best leader to date, who knows very well all the issues of the main challenges to global security, and that the united states demonstrates leadership in responding to the challenges created by the russian federation with the war in ukraine , of course ms. yulia well, now let 's develop this topic more about europe this week, who is the prime minister of estonia , and by the way, her party won the elections that took place yesterday, the reform party and received it seems that there are 37 in the country's parliament, which has one hundred and one seats, yes, yes, yes. last week , on thursday evening, in an interview with the newspaper , the times, i am now asking the director

to show exactly this graphic. now it has become more and more difficult for her to convince some european leaders to continue supporting ukraine due to the fact that they increasingly start this call for negotiations with ukraine, even hiding it under some help that would help these negotiations in ukraine to approach these negotiations in a better way ms. yulia tell me please, can we say that, unfortunately, this call for negotiations with russia on the part of european leaders is starting to become a trend, and the confirmation of this is precisely the literal statement that it was made yesterday or the day before yesterday regarding the fact that in no way germany and we we consider her as the leader of the european union countries' active approach to whether or not to negotiate with russia. germany will not

encourage the ukrainian side to sit down at the negotiating table with russia, and the prerequisite for such negotiations is clearly the withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of ukraine since we know that the russian side is not going to do this, we understand that there are no hints of negotiations to date. if we talk about what the prime minister of estonia referred to, then in principle we can also agree with that that first of all, it was somehow expected to expect that the level of support for ukraine would remain at the peak levels that were demonstrated at the beginning of russia's military aggression in the spring of last year well, it was definitely not possible to hope all the more so that the countries have now experienced a difficult winter and the actual economic situation in the countries themselves is not the best

, and therefore there were absolutely reasonable grounds to expect that the level of such support may decrease, and here it is important to look at the dynamics of changes in indicators, so in terms of dynamics, in fact, we cannot to say that the situation is critical because , by concentrated indicators, the level of this support has decreased from 60 to 55%, and it has decreased by 5 to 7% . today, it is not very much in the categories there. half a year. but it is clear that this trend may intensify over time because, in principle, most partners and most countries of the world would like to see a resolution of the conflict and not have a chronic conflict that will drag on for decades with corresponding costs not only for ukraine, but also for the european countries themselves, therefore , their leaders should pay attention first to the expectations

of their voters and actually focus on their own internal political cycles, since this will also affect the level of support of the ruling parties that are now in positions of support for ukraine, but if we go back to the specific figures, i have looked closely at a lot of different social surveys in europe and america and what they drew attention to, precisely on the issue of supporting ukraine with weapons, including the indicator the increase in this support is typical for hungary. it is not surprising for those countries that we traditionally considered to be more distant from the conflict and which do not have such a clear support position . the growth of support for ukraine on the part of the population is therefore very interesting in this context, the dynamics are happening

again, i repeat, there is nothing catastrophic yet, but it is necessary to take into account and understand this time factor , in the long term, it will not play in favor of the growth of this support well, let's say if russia fails to some other terrorist actions, god forbid, with some tragic consequences, because this is also related to the increase in the level of support, the main thing for us now is to increase the pace of supplies in ukraine in ukraine of the weapons that ukraine is asking for and to actually expand the range of weapons that ukraine wants from our partners, and this will be decisive for the dynamics of the war in ukraine, at least in the company in the spring and summer of this year, mrs. yulia, i was not going to ask you this question but you said about hungary and it's quite interesting, it's good news for us, but regarding hungary , yesterday the minister of foreign affairs of this country

petersierta said that kyiv and budapest are preparing the visit of viktor orban, the prime minister of hungary to kyiv, when it will take place it is not known why petros clearly said that they are currently discussing some technical issues , but in your opinion, how important is this visit for us and for hungary, the question is probably rhetorical because it is absolutely important in any international relations, especially in problematic ones are not 100% negative e-e. because if you look at the line taken by hungary, how it actually plays, highlight those public statements that are made in the context of the war in ukraine, in the context of russia and their actions , namely the support of all ten packages of sanctions and following the course that is professed by the european union as such, hungary is not such an unequivocal

one hundred percent supporter of the russian federation, and precisely in the context of this ambiguity of hungary's behavior around the russian invasion of ukraine, such a visit is extremely important, probably even more important than the visits of the heads of state e- which traditionally support ukraine, therefore we need to correct hungary's attitude to the conflict and actually correct their statements regarding russian behavior in ukraine, and for that we need direct communication well, god forbid that these technical issues be agreed upon as soon as possible and that he come visit us in the country and talk with the ukrainians with our president mrs. yulia. week in india, where the meeting of foreign ministers of the member countries of the so-called g20 was taking place. and before this trip and

during his trip in washington, they constantly claimed that he had no intention and will meet with the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, the aggressor sergey lavrov, and here is the news: blinken met with lavrov , in your opinion. please tell me, this may indicate something. well, how was it determined, considering the nature of such bilateral meetings, which refuse to take place on the fields of large formats? this meeting was definitely not prepared in advance, first of all, it lasted, according to the data we have , no more than 10 minutes, what can be discussed between the parties in 10 minutes, it is expected the positions of the american side were simply expressed, we know very well about the need for russia to comply with the norms of international law and , if necessary, to stop the war, to withdraw the troops from ukraine, but did this have any

effect and can it affect the behavior of russia absolutely not russian a and the second question that was raised as follows in the context of the necessity of conducting a dialogue regarding the recently announced statement of russia on the intention to suspend its participation in the treaty on strategic offensive weapons in europe , these two issues were actually raised the american side expressed their position, but communication dialogues did not take place. and that is why the statements of the american side before this meeting look quite logical, that it was not planned in advance, because if it was sotologically planned, well, at least the parties spent more time there, on the order of 30 minutes or an hour. discussion of the issues of extraneous dialogue especially since there are a lot of problematic issues and you definitely can't discuss them in 10 minutes, well, let's do

it, since i already started talking about the meeting ministers of foreign affairs of the countries that are members of the g20, let's give two words, because you can give more, a-a, there are many points about the final declaration, but there was no main point, and the main point should have been the condemnation of the aggressive russian war in ukraine, two countries did not support ms. yulia. please tell me why everything after all, there was no such declaration, why somehow it was veiled, you, as a professional diplomat, know what is possible, it is possible to write it somehow in order to accept it so that it would be. why didn’t they do it, they did it, they did it, but i really a very cunning diplomatic method, that is, according to the results of this meeting, there was no common final document, which is usually considered the official position of all participating parties, but there is such a document with the rather

interesting title of the results of the presiding officer and the main results, a document on the results of the presiding officer and the main results meetings in which it is immediately noted that all 20 foreign ministers of the g20 countries agreed with paragraphs 1 and 2 and paragraphs 5-24 and exactly two paragraphs - this is the third and fourth, which condemns the actions of the russian side in ukraine , contains a call to withdraw all its troops from the territory of ukraine, there is a reference to the relevant resolutions of the un general assembly of the un security council, and the need to observe the principles of international law of russia, including all points of the charter of the united nations, these points are simply stated that

disagreements were recorded on these issues, however , the majority of the g20 countries supported these points, but some other points were noted views on the problem, this kind of way is creative, one can say that the indian chairmanship, after all, came to the final document with the indication that from some positions, non-consonant assessments of the participating countries were preserved. so, creative diplomats, you can say hooray, not to say cheers because it was a meeting at the level of foreign ministers and that is why there was a representative of the russian federation at it and that is why the joint declaration was not agreed upon at the meeting of the big 19 in which

putin did not participate last fall last year, she just recorded the same condemnation of allowing the use of blackmail of nuclear weapons, calls for an end to the war, because this is not the era of war and all the participating countries have signed up to it . the big challenge for the indian hunger strike now is what to do with the summit of the g20 countries, or will it be countries of the big 19 , what will putin go there? will he be invited at least on the official website of the summit? the document will be prepared based on the results of this itself, then it will be critical and this is a big diplomatic mystery now for the indian presidency, which needs creative solutions, thank you ms. yulia, and look, one more question appeared to you literally yesterday evening after i read and watched the speech of the 45th

president of the united states of america, donald trump, during the republican convention, which took place in washington, d.c. on saturday night, we had it from saturday to sunday let's listen to an excerpt from his speech then i'm going to ask you a question before i even get to the oval office i 'm going to settle the catastrophic war between russia and ukraine it's going to be settled quickly i 've solved the problem and i've solved it quickly and it won't take more than a day i know exactly what to say to each of them i get along very well with both of them i got along very well with putin even though i was the one who ended his pipeline remember they said that trump is a friend of putin actually he told me if you are my friend i

i would really hate to see you as my enemy, ms. yulia, considering what donald trump said, if you imagine that he wins the elections in 2024, it will be good for ukraine because he promised to stop the war and he promised that it would be done in almost 10 seconds 10 i apologize minutes, and maybe in a day, will it be a problem for ukraine, well, whatever it is, the background of how our relations developed, well, the trump bank somewhat twisted reality, because i would not define them as unequivocal, where he fixed his teeth well because he was the president there was a lot counter-revolutionary stories behind this and we remember how there were delays in the provision of military aid to ukraine and due to certain blackmail, yes, it is great regarding certain issues that the ukrainian side had to take as its steps , so

there are no optimistic hopes for this presidency realistic reasonable expectations that precisely these risks are understood, including whether the administration of joseph biden and it is interested in a smaller, no less than ukraine, to do everything to the maximum extent possible to use resources in order to e-e military aggression russia in ukraine was stopped this year by russia's exit to the borders of ukraine, ukraine restored its control on its territory within its internationally recognized borders in 1991, and that is why we are now observing the intensification of the efforts of both the american side and our western partners in general and ukraine in particular on this option and this would be the best option to answer the prospect of trump coming to power , because if joseph biden manages to effectively help ukraine win this war with their help, i think it will only add he got points in the next presidential election and this will be one of

his trump cards and he understands it just as well . you already spoke at the beginning in the context of his possible cooperation with russia. now let's talk about something else. yesterday, a very big meeting of the communist party of china began, and there the prime minister of the heavenly medicine qian said that china should prepare for the return of taiwan to its native bosom, he does not know i didn't say that, i added. and yes, he said that we will make every effort to return taiwan a-a peacefully, but we must also prepare for other scenarios . please tell me, is this just

a muscle game on the part of beijing or not? yes, i'm sorry if we say yes here not only this statement should be taken separately as a quote but rather look at the actions that er china is now planning to implement and i mean the active increase in spending on the er military on the military sector and on further militarization we know that for today day, the absolute numbers of expenditures that china invests precisely in the military sector are four times less than the total military budget of the united states, however , according to some observers, the figures are deliberately understated by the chinese side so that such intensive growth rates of defense expenditures do not a lot of countries were made suspicious of

china's real intentions, but we know that the average annual increase in defense spending has grown within the limits and will continue to grow within the limits of 70%. and this one is alarming e those analysts who observe the militarization of china and in addition, the statements of e-e minister of foreign affairs tevani are alarming that they have reason to expect that china may attack quite quickly already this year, and therefore the country should prepare to be ready for of such a scenario, these statements against the background of the real actions that i told you about, they really cause concern and therefore these statements that we will return that van in a peaceful way well, they are not reassuring. yulia for participating in my program. thank you for your as always professional answers. it was yulia

osmolovska, the director of the kyiv office of globsec. they talked about what was worth talking about . before i introduce my next guest. and you can watch us on the espresso tv channel. i hope that many of you are watching us there now, and i also hope that many of you are also watching, and although i can see it on youtube, in particular on our channel, i would even say personal channel created 1,559 people watch the world during the war program, you can also watch it on the main e-e espressivskyi channel. well, we asked you a question : why did lukashenko go to china?

76% think so, and your option is already five percent, er, your option will be readable only when er , the program ends and youtube publishes it, well, i 'm ready to introduce my next guest, and let's move on to more military- legal questions, of course, with reference to the world and ukraine , oleksandr musienko, head of the center for military legal research , mr. oleksandr. congratulations. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. congratulations . thank you very much for joining my program today. well, before i ask you the first thing question i want to ask the director to show us one more graphic of the hilti publication, published by the hilti , an american political publication , an article was published tonight, kyiv time, about the return of crimea. and there are two paragraphs, which are three which represent such an important interest for us, so the representatives of the administration write, repeatedly bypassing the question