[000:00:00;00] well, no, it’s not here, the ward was right here nearby and we’re just there, then only after a while there we already understand how dangerous it really was and it gets even scarier when it ’s all over and that’s why if you get out of this situation and you start to realize where you really are arrived, what could actually happen to you, then it becomes scary, sometimes opposite emotions, yes. when we were driving to bahmut, and we drive off, we look at the guys there at the apc tanks, they are going and it is hot summer, and everyone is wearing a t-shirt, shorts, and they are going. and we we go to the courts. well, according to the protocol, all of us are wearing bulletproof vests. god, my lord, how are they here, here, here, such actions, well, there’s an explosion , and we’re going there to two there, two, we came like that after a while, and here, well, not long,

there, somewhere over on sunday the third, when we were already there , we were also sitting here drinking tea. it flew to stus 150 meters or into the yard there, and we already. birthday so tell me about this story i had a case on august 19. my birthday. and uh, i was the only medic out of more than 100 people at that time, and i was very tired. everything and i was replaced. now call him and he says chamomile. he says come on. he already says a little. rest because you already have it. the face is gone, he says, i know it’s your birthday, they said let’s replace you and say, well, how are you? you’re a woman, she says, i used to be a doctor , i used to work in an ambulance, i provided medical help, i know what it is, she wants to rest, yes, two

or three days, and it turns out that i’ve changed into my alternately and it remained to read o and in this one day there on the wings of the boys, they received a lot of good, well, it was more like injuries, concussions and suffered. after that, i said no one else. so, if it is my turn to leave with the boys for a position, then i will leave with no one, i will not exchange with anyone, just some even so. and now everything is fine. he was there, well, there was an injury, everything was fine. thank god, everyone was alive. well, for me, it was such a moment. when i was told this, i was completely shocked. and you know that about medics, civilian medics. er, everyone says it and the doctors themselves say it over time

they become callous, they get used to sick people in the hospital, they get used to relatives who cry, they get used to it, and you get to the hospital, you see that the doctor is looking at you during the working hours, can you really get used to war ? what you see from a doctor's point of view, because you see the worst thing, it's impossible, it's like me, well, i'm used to it. well, you know, it's not like you get used to war, it's just about deformation. well, you understand, there are people who are in the morgue work there if everyone one day, when some new body will reach them, they will cry and stand for it. oh my god, someone died. well, it can’t be like that either. well , you get used to it to some extent . of these explosions during the arrivals, even when i remember that there were the times of the donetsk airport there, 14-15 years ago, the guys there told who were there said that the

longer a person is there, the more likely he is to die, because on the beginning you are in such conditions you are completely you concentrate and are very careful. the fear disappears, well, that is, driving. that's why you have to. that's why you even have to force yourself to be afraid sometimes. well, if the heads had told natalie at the beginning that well, it's impossible to get used to this, how do you get used to it in medicine, civilians , look, you understand, i'm trying. well, anyway whether you want it or not, there is a circle of military men with whom you communicate more and see more oh, and i try well, not not to get used to these people because it 's really very you communicate well

, keep your distance and try well, speak i see your eyes well, many try this he tries not to get close, but it still doesn't work out that way sometimes you try to distance yourself from it all well, for example, some people still become close to you in one way or another, well , that is, here i am there, for example , my partner is there, eh well, there's also a couple of doctors there is the driver of my crew, serhiy, he is always with me, that is, he is with me everywhere, and one way or another, i would even like to be there. that this person was there somewhere on the side, well, it is simply impossible, but a yes, i am. well, no one wants to get close because you don't know. today you are talking to this person. and tomorrow you will close the package and everything. natalya, or they said that they were in bakhmut, there are still civilians who remain and children. we saw their eyes

. we saw in what conditions they live without there was no light, no gas, no heat, uh, uh, uh, bakhmut. it was june, july, and it still got a little bit stuck somewhere on sunday two of the next month . at that time, we were still passing through bakhmut, and it was more or less calm there, and when you come here, people, of course they are just, well, they are so used to these explosions that they don't even react, the children who are running here are two years old, three are a little older there, when are they already so used to this war that they well, they don't react, that's the most terrible thing about children when you look at it, you there are times when a shuddered they don't, they go and that's all. well, they're so used to it that it's so normal

as a mother, you look at this at children, well, you look at them and understand that these children will grow up, but the psyche will still be traumatized, and well, to such a thing when the child grows up a child in such an attitude it's very difficult to look at them and that's all because they're like theirs it's a completely different life , a different reality and it's hard to look at it, it's very painful, we'll buy some sweets there, we'll go to the copper shop there, we'll give them away, well, we'll treat the children and look at some of them they will say thank you there and ask there, and there are some, a mother with a child goes there, and you can tell by the look of a person how she relates to the ukrainian military, because the look there is such that if i could, i would look at you, that's how

others look at you while buying coffee who treat us with joy and help there and goodies are given to us, we say we don’t need it, well, we take it and then give it to the children when they want to say thank you and there are many such cases from ancient times, many years ago , the locals shouted in the back there, then it was directly open somewhere like that there were civilians, er, in avdiivka, namely in avdiivka. by the way, we provided aid at that time, the truth is that when i provided aid to civilians, it was in the avdiivka hospital , we also worked for a while e they just brought people there and kulya simply does not remove those who are waiting there for the bus i flew to the stop and local people were seriously injured. well, of course, he really doesn’t choose. if he was a military serviceman, it’s clear that he is in battle , hmm, and hmm, the locals too

. well, they suffer from him . simply there they came closer to the front line a when you knew that you were going there could be injuries and they happened and your emotions your feelings and did you remember this person who was first given help ahead of us uh i was the most worried about when this would happen and i was afraid so that i wouldn't hang around , as they say , so that i would be able to provide, that's what i was afraid of the most, but that's how it happened, which is good. in my tank , when we left on the first day, we had no losses. there he twisted his leg and pulled it

something like that, it was more, well, it was not so serious before - well, probably at the beginning of everything well, how to say exactly that. so when there were concussions, the guys refused to be hospitalized in the hospital and when they came back to the place, it will be ours shorter why did they stay there, i don't i can do it alone, i can’t leave, you can’t. i’m leaving, stay alone, they won’t. everything will work out. everything will be fine. and it was hard for me to sleep if there was no sleep, no sleep at night , no sleep at all. so tired and not at all what you imagined one of a kind thought what would happen yes, more psychologically because you are you both day and night when you have so if they conditionally gave you a day off there it would be the same as minutes here and there for an hour while you rest you guys from the camomile because you have already

come all the guys get up somewhere the guys refuse from realization when they are contused and then problems because of this, because in fact all the main consequences of a concussion do not appear in the first days, but later and if you don't get through it right away, then your whole life will suffer from it, but even no matter how you explain everything to them they don't want to listen. yes, you dig, you do. i say we survived the winter, and we often here in this studio say that the russians failed to freeze us. and on the front, when this winter came , you, as combat medics, noticed the wounds very well in the winter. worse because hypothermia, if there were problems with hypothermia and warming the wounded, that is, hypothermia is generally such a problem that is present even in summer, well, with a decrease in body temperature during injuries, and can you imagine when it is winter there, well, there are different evacuations, you can quickly well, it all depends on the theater of operations, it can be that a person is wounded there for a few hours. you can

ask in the trenches when why there. in the trenches, it is cold when soldiers get frostbite. such is the morning, but i am trying to warm the heaters there, some thermal blankets and so on. well, but of course, winter is winter, it’s the most difficult period . well, i think that now it will be more or less easier in this matter. points did you see these people after that, did they come back, how was this meeting or how much they immediately i did not even recognize it was immediately obvious that they met like that and well, as they were already there, they were being treated and dressed in civilian clothes i did not even recognize when in i met a soldier on a vine, and he is a daisy who turns back, who am i looking at, i can’t recognize

, first of all, people change well, when there was a more chubby one, yes, and then there is such a thin one, god, god, give me such a one, how are you, where are you, where are you , how are you, here, how how long have you been here you discuss, you ask, and i have, for example, more strange and-and who i evacuated were people i did not know, that is, because we work there not only with our units, but also with others, well, that is, in fact, there, who needs to be taken out, you take them out very often, almost you always just take out a stranger. well, there were also such cases when i later met people there, i even remember one time in the 16th year, my birthday was just september 14, and somewhere a few months before that, they were wounded in

shirokino it was near mariupol eh and eh we took them out, we evacuated them, and here i am standing on my birthday, preparing something to eat there, well, there is such a minimal celebration, and then someone behind me drinks, hears me turn around and stands in this parade at her with a rose behind me, and i wish you a happy birthday, and i, oh, you already turned the car nice and there he said that you are my chip and dale and you said at the beginning that you should avoid close proximity and contact in some human just you can even look closely and exactly yes yes well you can't even remember his call sign there for a person well, of course, ukraine, but it happens the other way around, guys, it depends on the condition, there are guys who don't even know if you were involved in evacuation, well, you understand, it depends on consciousness, there is no consciousness at all , consciousness can be confused, and it happens that there a guy remembers the headlights

yatav that it was you who evacuated him and you may not remember, but it happens the other way around you remember and he doesn't even know about it and will never find out well, because no one will go there and pray, i saved you there very much relationships with men and women want to be in the war return to this topic yevgena chamomile cuba, let's talk about it, yes, the war intensifies the feelings, the feelings intensify, the war intensifies everything , the war is necessary. uh, rapprochement, uh, that’s why there are men, and i have discriminatory love, and you don’t understand , there are women and there are men, there are military personnel, and among military personnel , they are considered people. at the beginning of the 14th, there were still such moments, no. well, although even now there are some such moments of non-sexism there from people who don’t particularly know who you are, what you

do there, it’s just that there were outsiders there , some kind of person was the commander of another company and he is also something. oh, and what are you, and what can you do there? well, in principle, it happens uh, first of all, i've been doing this for a long time, well, i personally don't perceive it that way. well , because i know my price, i know who you are and all these comments are not interesting to me , but anyway, it seems to me now if you are a global brother, then the situation has improved in this direction compared to there, if you are a 14th-year brother there. this is a plus, especially when the guys have already been with you in some critical situations , eh. well, they know what you are capable of there, then they start to respect you and even if someone there wants to insult you and say something like that, these are the same guys who already know you. they will cross you and protect you. well, they won't. well, that's right. yes, i think that's right

, but still, they revealed to me part of my question of love, love. in the war, there is newbies maybe someone has it, but for me this is a fundamental question, we have already understood it. i said that now there are about 50,000 women in the army . the deputy head of the ministry of defense is an anomaly . she said that there are more than 50,000 women in the armed forces , and you said that there is a lover. there are people who meet. do you have a specific story ? you have a story . a girl met one. but nothing special was revealed. please tell me. well

, if you don’t mind. a serviceman of your unit. there are such cases. well, i know a girl who is a translator. she also got married. well, they are already officially married. how can you fight and serve now when you already have a loved one next to you and you already feel responsible for not being responsible for yourself? life and for two in order not to get close , you can't get close because they added a guy, it doesn't ask very much, you want it, you want it, when they leave, and you stay, you leave not with him, but with another platoon, that's why you're naturally worried, and when you saw everything this i really drove alive, well, well, with excitement, with everything, well, life

is like that. nothing, well, it happens that there were emotions. natalya, we learned that love happens on the other side of the medal. those who worry about you , your sons, how do they worry? what are you there, you're at zero and i thought to myself, i imagine that they probably talk very often, mother , come back, come back, yes, i have an older son, oleksandr, well, we call, we talk, he only wants to disturb you , please be careful, well, i try not to tell everything, i say everything is fine everything is fine we are there us quietly, yes, well, so that everything, but with less effort well, in general , well, everything is fine now, and he will have a serious conversation with you, look, i have a lot of questions, well , nothing, well, they don’t guess, well, guess, well,

i’m trying with him communicate a lot, i say, he has what are you saying, everything is fine, my son, people are worried, everything is fine, yes, what , childhood should remain with childhood , so yes, such march 8. nevertheless, we will continue this topic because voting took place in the action and there is a maximum number of ukrainians participated in this vote on whether to leave march 8 as a day off, 62% said it is necessary to leave your opinion youtube, you know , the question of march 8 is quite difficult for me because the very idea of ​​the holiday, if this holiday is dedicated to the struggle for women, that is, it should draw attention to issues of gender equality to issues of sexism to violence against women and accordingly this holiday well, it is in its idea uh, well, we really, really need it, but how it is implemented and how it all

happens. that is, this holiday has not turned into just a holiday of giving flowers because of the fact that you just have breasts, well, if it were for me, that's it, that's it, well, roughly speaking, according to gender, i'll just give you flowers because you're a woman and this is such a holiday, no one thinks about what rights and not about all these issues that i talked about, er, that's why i'm not sure at all, i know a lot of women whom i respect and they would like this holiday to remain, so er, let it remain personal. i don't like it when flowers are given to me on march 8 i would like to be given flowers without any nato the reasons are simply because i'm so cool. when it's still nice when they give gifts in the clip and not only on march 8, we're glad when even on this day, my eldest son oleksandr

says, well, march 8 is canceled, it won't happen." .

well, this holiday is quiet for me personally , the people of the night watch remained and they decided that they should return you. let the day off remain. we have not had a weekend war for a long time. so a on how bad is all of ukraine in the issue of women's rights? what aspects have we not touched on yet? what do we need to improve in ukraine ? what do you think? you have been at the front since 2014. do you notice? well, i am not the only one at the front. of the women's veteran movement, well, that is, we also deal with women's rights, er, there, for example, the positions that appeared in the armed forces, er, it was also everything is done now at the expense of the women's veteran movement, it is our movement that dealt with these issues regarding women well

, first of all, yes there are many issues in the army directly there is the issue of domestic violence, yes. that is, this is something that we still have at such a level, if uh, hitting means loving, well, that is, well, i mean that no one seriously considers uh cases well, that's all this question is relevant. there are many relevant questions. well, at least there is one . well, i think that this whole war will move much faster. no no different no no no different and also the problem is that, apart from the fact that the women's uniform does not match and is far from the women's uniform, how we and the women's iteran movement made the women 's uniform and are implementing it now, well, the ministry of defense

also became interested in this issue, finally , ten years of the war did not come, and we also offer our own version of the women's uniform, which we developed it, it is important that there is also a question regarding the issue of medical services, for example, there is gynecology and so on, that is, all the medicine that is in the army is also designed for men, it is not designed for the fact that a woman can be it can be a man, these questions are solved, so you are faced with these questions, what is it articulated that, well , they need 50,000 women, it’s a pity for women , well, for some reason, it turns out that way, but really, well, the form of choosing a form for a woman is very, very problematic in terms of sizes, then well you won't wear what you will see in the fact that there are no available sizes

. the fact is that the size grid is not designed for small sizes, well, what women can have, that is, the size grid and that is present in the armed forces of ukraine, it is designed only for men and if talk about my size, for example. well, i'm quite a large woman, so i can still pick something up for myself there. and if it's a small slender girl there, and there are quite a lot of them , because uh, if your qualities are there as a military man, they don't depend directly there from your actually physical strength, there are some solutions , but we have a few minutes left before the end of the broadcast and i want to ask you briefly about the future, and you , natalya, graduated from civilian medicine after the end of the war, do you see yourself in civilian medicine or the military? no, i will return to my

a favorite of civil medicine and predicted but with a crazy experience of war. unfortunately for him, a romantic of a loved one. well, if i were engaged in the development of clothes, well, including, we are currently preparing a collection that will be presented in paris, there will be a show in april, and then i am going to work on my own brand a clothing brand, that is, to develop clothes and, well, not to practice medicine at all in the eu, we need to return our fish. this is how

we need to train our military service to nato standards. to the war now only because i have experience and knowledge that were very necessary because there really are such people. i'm sorry that i didn't have enough in the army, i went, but i want to have the opportunity. in fact, this issue is completely closed and i hope that victory will come as soon as possible and that's it. density it just so happened that i am here one man among three women during the day of the holiday around which there is a lot of discussion and er. i guess i have the right to thank er on behalf of all ukrainian men and all ukrainian women and those who are at the front and to those who are in the rear and to those who were separated from their husbands who were forced to leave every woman goes through a difficult test of time today in ukraine and er we have on this day i consider them to thank for

heroism on all fronts regardless of whether she somewhere is a military uniform or netting, is she cooking canned goods for the military or collecting humanitarian aid or evacuating the wounded? every woman deserves a big thank you from all ukrainians from the male part of the ukrainian people. husband or strength of spirit, which has not left you since 2014, you find the strength to go to the front to help the military, thank you for this and cut out what you found strength in yourself from february 24 to go peacefully in the hospital where no one particularly bothered you expressed your desire to leave

save our soldiers thank you thank you friends with you was the night watch nataliya ostrovska i am yevgeny linsky chamomile and cuba after a two-month course in medicine i went to the donetsk region where i learned for the first time what war is. at first it's very scary, but then you get used to it little by little. i know what and who i protect . 15% of the ukrainian army are women , they have proven with their work, courage, honor and courage that they are no different from the other 85%. there is no weaker sex in ukraine, we chose our