[000:00:00;00] because in our country the term porohobot is used in political discourse or dialogue, if it is possible to call it that in quotation marks, in order to simply label one's er opponents and this is actually camping accordingly . gunpowder or is it literally anyone who did not vote for zelensky in the 19th year , you know, uh, gunpowder workers went to the front, but there are some seeds of crooks and guards at the front. they said that he would not be there there is no war and let's fry kebabs, we should, first of all, in the first second, atone with the blood of your son-in-law for the fact that they have led society into deception and fraud, but such expressions do not testify to a very high

culture personally and uh, here for me there is nothing new. i remind myself of the apiary of the arrestee who could radically change camps within a month. i am not even talking about us, i am talking about how at first yarmak loved and respected him very much, and then arestovych declares that he left the president's office from the position of a traitor to the adviser you see the plot of the traitor er, the positions of the councilor because of what was later with the fair, so i think that the tonal choice of kryvonos is now quite difficult, because this appointment for 7 years, his corrupt past has not been canceled by anyone, and this is of course a challenge for this very system, which is headed by an actual corrupt person, but if he wants to be a leader, then he must give results , and the big seven actually say this in their congratulatory address, if he wants this to be the last step in his life, well, he can

continue to do what he was doing. by the way, is darina a close associate of saakashvili? absolutely candidly wrote in her short post what happened in those times when kryvonos was involved in certain streams and what kind of bags it is about. we all know very well because many people witnessed this. if n you will be with us it is possible it is possible i am here i am here your attitude to what will be recommended for sure march 8 leave it as an official day off what do you think about it you know this from the last attempts continue for 40 years, let's cancel the history exams of the zno, let's give the dormition cathedral to the orthodox church to ukraine

, give it to the ukrainian orthodox church, but they gave it to us, but we won't pay tribute to the ukrainian soldiers there , let's let's use the russian language, ok, but we'll remember it for a while from time to time talking about it will die out, it is actually already dying . it's just that some people are desperately trying to prolong the life of russian in our country and i think it's shameful on their part , all these games are still voting in action it distracted the discussion around this issue, if there was a ukrainian policy in the state, there would be appropriate ukrainian actions on the part of the state leadership, there are none, but there is a simulator, thank you, thank you, mr. volodymyr , now we will continue the same discussion on this same topic, as promised, with our next two guests already underway the discussions under our

broadcast here are not a joke, women are fighting for the right to celebrate this holiday, they say that this tv channel is bad, because the holiday is not celebrated here, because it is russian. listen to russian they say that she was born in the usa in 1908, it seems like the year they went out with demonstrations well, but in the soviet union no one went out with demonstrations, women didn't go out with demonstrations others there with these inflatable balls remember they went with banners no one went out for any demonstrations there were some attempts, maybe there were some pickets here, like people, like valeria novodvorska, no more than this time , they twisted their hands and feet and sent mental patients for treatment, because normally a person

cannot go to a demonstration on his own. well, in our country there was a small test, or rather a quiz, or rather a riddle that was asked which of the famous politicians today congratulated the women with the following phrases that this day is filled with crazy warmth and meaning that on this festive day everyone talks about love, love and admiration for women who thanked the women for what they create an atmosphere of coziness and love in the family. who could this golden politician be? this handsome man is very nice. what do you think? we asked you. and you wrote something. by the way, in the chat. well, let's just do it now. there are still a couple of seconds for options. of your answers. who could it be? well, such a cool person, but what, gentlemen

? well, in the meantime, we will continue the topic of march 8. infrastructure in 16-19 years, now a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine. about the fact that this is a real part of the still russian world, you look at how it is owned or how it is owned by some mishutin vasyanin, well , in short, one of those russian ones there important politicians of their duma like his. you just know how to say that his tracks were hit, so they gave him a twist when he found out that what impressed him the most is that they want to cancel the 9th of may in ukraine. everything is not important there , let the ukrainians dilute the kremlin there, we will see it all 09:00 a.m. it’s a saint, but in fact

, what are the conclusions of this war for the world, not for us, for the world ? culture , this is part of the russian negativity , what do our next guests think about this matter ? they said here they quoted one famous political figure who today congratulated women from march 8 and asked who could be here a person wrote whether it was not yarmak no not yarmak it's vladik that it's yulia tymoshenko she could do something

i would like to say this in front of her audience . who think that it is not, don't listen to these women. let's put it this simply, and we have two wonderful women today, three even because olesya is also vakulyuk sitting here like one man, literally, so you have the floor, ms. oksano. and to me, thank you, well, first of all, i want to say that draft law 9009 he started such a discussion in society about public holidays and which public holidays in ukraine are not needed a little bit. the authorities wanted him such key points as the first on may 9, in my

opinion, to speak on march 8 and the questioning that took place in action, they are not representative , not only that for some reason they are on behalf of one of the deputies who is trying to tell us something. what is actually wrong is because they should be impersonal and the question is not quite correct, but if we return to in fact, we are still talking about the fact that if we want a different meaning after the victory for ukraine, then we must revise a lot of those traditions that were imposed on us for years , including those dates that perhaps you were somewhere in your time and march 8 was a day for women's rights, but today in ukraine it has turned into something when once a year men want to say something to their women, not all men are part of it and it seems to be accepted well , let's give you something one day, i'll give you something, believe me

, they definitely do a lot for that too to help women to realize themselves, i am absolutely convinced that women are effective managers, etc., but i am also convinced that ukraine needs new days that we will feel their need, we will feel their essence and we will understand what we are celebrating, and if those who want celebrate march 8 or something like that, please, the day and do what you want at home, but at the state level, i am convinced that these days are not needed as holidays, neither march 8, nor may 1 , nor the ninth, it is very important that the ninth is may 1, there are still bills hiding so that we these dates should also be monitored or they will not be the same, there is another opinion and you actually even entered into such a public discussion . i really do not know whether ms. oksana reacted to your post on facebook about canceling

the day off and not making it a day off on march 8 and you said what they say is not true that in ukraine all women celebrate this day like a day of spring and women are marching now there is a war , a full-scale invasion that is why there are no such huge mass gatherings but last year as an argument you gave and showed a photo the women's march organized by ukrainian women the year before last year already, oh my god, the year before last already in 2021, actually, to protect women's rights, what are your arguments and whether or not to be afraid . are you ready to celebrate march 8 in a new way? i'm watching our comments this is certainly not representative either, but according to our comments from the viewers of our female viewers, there is a youtube broadcast and they are terribly clinging to

this spring holiday. so thank you for the question , it is clear and i want to immediately contact you oksana personally you and i are on the same side and we want the same thing, but you are a little behind ukrainian society from the progress that ukrainian society has already made, you look into the past at these soviet traditions of celebrating with tulips and you absolutely rightly said that it is in the soviet the union had one day in the year, be silent, woman. your day is march 8, and we inherited this negative legacy . however, this is the past and this past is time to forget, and today, march 8, is the day of struggle for women's rights and international peace, as it is celebrated throughout the year and as it

has been celebrated for 10 years in ukraine, and to be honest, oksana, when you said that in ukraine this day has never gathered mass demonstrations , well, it was very unfortunate, because devaluing the work of women who worked for 10 years and brought thousands of people to the streets is from another woman, i will tell you honestly it was very painful to hear and i hope you will take an interest in this, look at the archives and know that in fact a lot has already been done in ukraine and we almost won, we as feminists almost broke this soviet tradition because it is actually nested in these greetings of political figures , which were already discussed on the air today. but we are here. we looked at what vladimir putin said about march 8. let 's see what volodymyr zelensky will say about march 8, and i am sure that there will be completely different peoples. because our government and us

it is such a civic activity, it has already emancipated itself, and over the past 10 years, march 8 has been saturated with these emancipatory meanings and saturated them precisely thanks to public actions, marches, demonstrations , which gathered a lot of people and gathered a lot of media attention, now today because of the war we cannot do it, but immediately after the victory we will do it and here we return to the question of the day off, why do we have a day off in order to go on marches in order to go to a demonstration in order to show that women's rights are important and this day should be a day off so that women and men have the opportunity, and here i want to give an example of germany unexpectedly, because in germany , the federal land of berlin made march 8 a public holiday 5 years ago, and this

tells us something. this tells us that in the world in the western world in europe, where we are striving, is also coming to the realization of this possibility of women's rights, the possibility of defending them and the possibility of such symbolic state support and state recognition, and here we do not need to look back at this terrible soviet union and all this bad heritage that we got and should cherish the new tradition, which is already strong and powerful in ukraine, should be infused with more media coverage, more resources, more conversations with experts, more explanations, more state policy, more instructions to all officials levels not to welcome this with spring beauty but to appeal to female citizens to do more work with teachers so that again on march 8 in schools they will talk about women's rights and then we

will move away from this totalitarian legacy from the russian cultural space and you just imagine how vladimir putin and the entire russian opinion will be driven mad by the mass feminist demonstrations in ukraine, because it will be such a maximum departure from the russian measure . is ukrainian society ready? i don't consider myself backward or a person who thinks about the past. believe me, there are a lot of things that i did, including at the event, we held many different trainings on how to properly look for

dark places in the budget at the local levels, as they say. how to use funds and how to properly direct women to go into politics and to leadership positions in order to develop their communities and develop their country. and i, as a person, am also convinced that i am a supporter of this kind of family upbringing in our country and i am convinced that on this also has a lot to do with the construction of a woman, as you know, the main part of the family and the family philosophy of the formation of the country, and i am also convinced that today women in ukraine carry a very big mission and even if we will fight for our rights with specific actions and actions not only once a year and every day because if we are talking about some specific things there or about gender budgeting in the future after the war or if we are talking about wage equalization it is not

only a matter of one day and believe 1/8 march is no different from other important days that are there, whether it is teacher's day or architect's day or another day like that which are absolutely ordinary days, we can continue to do this every year and therefore i absolutely do not see any problem in this . okay, you know very well, mrs. tamara said about what exactly could drive the russians crazy and, as you correctly said, shake the russians and shake them, so surely these demonstrations on march 8. but also for women's rights, but to shake them even more if the people's deputies supported a new draft law which partnership pump for sexual couples, it is definitely very fortunately very necessary during the war, because now we have a super

problem with this when the military does not have their basic rights ensured because they cannot marry their partners and it is very cool that the day before march 8 was submitted by inna stosun - this new draft law really needs all kinds of support, because it is about the protection of our defenders ms. oksana , will this draft law have support in the parliament among our people's elected representatives, although b for the sake of headlines in these on the following news on in russia in russian imagine that they are written that this bill this is really uh and who have problems to get married this is definitely not what we need now especially in such a difficult period during the war and i

asked a very big reaction in the parliament, i don't think that the parliament will now take up this bill at all oksana , but wait. if these military guys die , then the partner can't bury his beloved , they can't get custody of the children, they can't get an inheritance if the guy with military personnel, a military girl is wounded. she can go abroad for medical treatment only accompanied by a close relative, and if there are no children and parents, the closest relatives are husband and wife, and homosexual people do not have a husband and wife, and if a homosexual person, there are many such people, including military personnel, in the ukrainian army if this military man or a military woman was injured, then due to the shortcomings of ukrainian legislation, she will not be able to receive even foreign treatment, this is very dramatic, these are huge problems, and you say, well, this is not a problem, this is for

we are not relevant now for you, the rights and protection of the military who are currently protecting ukraine are not relevant, you know very well, somehow it doesn’t sound very good, you know, we are talking about the rights of the military and all the rights of the military, they are protected by law , the rights of the military. that is, we are talking about e-e assistance in case of injuries. it is a pity that they cannot leave for treatment abroad without being accompanied by their husband and wife in the lgbt military according to ukrainian legislation there is no husband and wife they cannot leave for treatment what are their rights fortunately, we do not have officially recognized these e-relationships under the law, because i will also tell you that in ukraine we are a deeply christian conservative country and therefore such things. they are a diverse country and according to the constitution, religion is separated from the state, please spread the lie

to in general, it is false to pretend that we are a christian country, we have a constitution, we have a basic law, religion is separated from the state, we cannot say that our country is some kind of religion, we have a civil democracy ms. tamara the defense of this opinion that ukraine is still a conservative and orthodox state is, first of all, a sociology that shows that the majority of ukrainians count themselves among the faithful of the orthodox church . with those nightly percentages, for example, people who consider themselves believers , for example, in the czech republic, in the neighboring country, we have a common border with us, so that 's normal.

recognize themselves as christians , and christians of the orthodox , which means, in general, a very conservative branch of christianity. europe, moreover, to preserve its main basic christian values ​​and the family, where the key to such a traditional family for me is a man and a woman. but we cannot ignore the fact that we really have homosexual people and they are now defending the country and they have couples and according to the law the military personnel themselves are protected in our country, you know, there was a survey conducted now. by the way, where are they not protected? that is, you are now disinforming or you close your eyes, or rather

you deliberately want to turn a blind eye to the problems that exist in lgbt military servicemen, and this is a number of days, they are lawyers , they are, they exist. if you don't do you want to talk about their problems, and dear tamara, i understand what you are leading these things to, but please, well, manipulate these theses , i am telling you as a matter of fact that the military personnel themselves are protected in our country today to the maximum extent, every military man , everything, and women have equal rights regarding e- it is actually a certain kind of legislation and i repeat once again that we have our own certain tradition and our cultural values ​​and christian values ​​in that the majority of ukrainians recognize and that is why now, especially in times of war , to bring destructiveness to society and these are issues that, on the contrary, divide society, i am convinced that there is no need, uh, you know that if

people have problems with getting support, but even such simple dramatic things as burying their loved one, well, let 's turn a blind eye to it, it's not the time, it's an lgbt problem, they can't bury your loved one because they are not a man or a woman, let's not talk about it, i understand oksana , mrs. oksana, i want to reconcile you somehow in this story, how to reconcile, i know how to return to the topic from which we started on march 8 and because in us after all, there is a reason, on march 8, while we were talking, i received a greeting from a woman , i just don't know, honestly, i don't, i don't know how to react to these greetings, may god bless this morning, there will be sunshine and joy , a lot of good health, happiness sends to all the women they have a holiday today the best flowers are given to them nowadays words of congratulations are not spoken sincere women who are wise berehyni may god give you children

to raise in peace that is, it seems not only in the soviet way, but also as if it is not the protection of women's rights in the ukrainian language the day before even in lviv who consider such a well, here people terribly dislike anything soviet , what should we do about it, i suspect that on march 8 , children also brought these flowers to the teachers and congratulated male or male teachers with gender disintegration , gender disintegration is such a situation when society is constantly developing and we had our conservative gender models and they are already a thing of the past because the world has developed , women, we are buying it, we are talking about the nuk base. we want to live differently and new emancipatory models are developing, but this a simultaneous process, one becomes obsolete, the other becomes new and actual, and in this process, it is old

and new, it exists in the same infuser, at the same time, someone adheres to these suffering old traditions, someone adheres to conservatism , someone taxes the emancipated, and fortunately, we are a democratic country in which we can talk about it. we we can stir this social cauldron, new trends can develop in it, we can have different views, but we can talk about it and we can co- exist within the boundaries of this society without discriminating against others, this is actually so good trend and trend, well, in general, the world shows that we are going in this emancipated and progressive direction, but everyone at the same time. this is how they cannot become anti-government , so this conservative tail will be with us for quite a long time, and in principle there is no problem with this as long as it is does not become state policy because when something outdated becomes state policy

, we end up with russia, where there is complete gerontophilia, where they look to the past, where they do not develop and they go into some kind of complete collapse, fortunately we are moving forward, demanding i want something, but we are going, the only thing is, if you allow me, just a very short disclaimer. for example, i am an opponent of such a progressive opposition, which is conservatism, which is definitely bad, and there is something progressive, which is always good, i do not think that it really matters, because it is huge, it is huge the culture of civilization is everything that was created before us and this is what we inherit we cannot say that today's schoolboy is smarter than leonardo da vinci because he has access to the internet, you understand what i want to say now, that is, it seems to me that there is always a balance here and there is a certain harmony because we are also part of some process that was important to us and without

the culture that is behind us there is no us in principle and then there will be no future then you i i think it is very easy to agree with that, therefore without a doubt the work of lesya ukrainka but we will not take from the past the need to ask our husband for permission to open a bank account, true . that is, we choose what to take from the past and take the best of our heritage simply it's just an important nuance for me so that we don't say that everything that appears new is always better because that's simply not true. i just want to say that today we really have a lot of certain challenges that we will have in the future because we understand that such a war, a war is a tragedy for a large number of thousands of families, some of whom lost their fathers, some lost their sons, wives , unfortunately, not a few did not wait for their husbands

, but today a lot of people are fighting and dying, very good, incredibly wonderful guys in our country too the question will be very big, internal and also the question of a very large number of people who will need our support in the future, this is the most important thing and not only the state, but our human, we need to focus our attention today on such very key moments, as for me it is to look for the maximum number of those things which unite us in order to endure and continue this difficult struggle. believe me, because today there are a lot of things, and instead of us talking about how we will help , how will we unite to help the front? wounded or others, we begin to divert our attention, therefore i would really like our bill to be understood in a complex way, because in a complex it has its essence and it is important as we submitted it with