[000:00:00;00] suppliers of projectiles, not counting on their military-industrial complex, which cannot cope with precisely those volumes that must be provided every day for the proportional supply of ammunition to all units , i understood you, then let's talk about the counteroffensive, that was a statement, as far as i understand podolyak, he is not a military man and not a representative of the general staff , nevertheless, the adviser to the head of the president's office and he stated in the italian media in an interview that we will exhaust the russians, this is literally a quote and then we will concentrate elsewhere. i understand that he was talking about bakhmut, but how should we understand it and then we will focus elsewhere well, because the city of bakhmut is indeed drawing upon itself a huge resource of the russian occupiers . it is precisely because of this that they have been unable to somehow increase their offensive capabilities in other directions for several months, moreover, they not only can build up these offensive

capabilities, they cannot compensate for losses on other bridgeheads, for example, the southern bridgehead of the left bank kherson region, the zaporizhia region, there the grouping of the russian occupation troops has the worst situation today equipment in terms of personnel and the technical component, they lack equipment . why, because this one is sent first of all to the bakhmut bridgehead. in addition, we saw how near the coal mine in the direction of avdiyivka maryinka, and the russian occupation troops. they were losing a large amount of their resources and they suffered their complete fiasco during these offensive actions. why, because the main resource is concentrated precisely on bachmut. the same situation is the same in luhansk region with flint, there is no way they can start offensive actions in in the direction of the estuary, why? because the issue with bakhmut has not been resolved, and therefore this city is like a trap for the russian occupiers for

their resources, and it is this depletion of the resources of the russian occupying forces that leads to the fact that on some bridgeheads they can weaken so much that they will not be able to maintain a full-fledged defense when the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine will begin and i understand that this is exactly what mykhailo podolyak was talking about very briefly, and then i will ask you to comment. and what is this message that the counteroffensive will begin in two months, the offensive will begin in april, they write the western media is somehow focusing on the delivery of weapons that are not yet sufficient for a counteroffensive, or what do you think, not only if it was focused only on weapons, it would look a little different because the counteroffensive depends on many other conditions and factors two months ago, well, it’s like that the term is not a constant, we can see the counteroffensive already tomorrow if there are suitable conditions and factors or in a week, and that's why i didn't set the time limit for two

months, maybe it was just a phrase for the media. clear figure of speech yes, thank you very much oleksandr kovalenko, military-political columnist of the information resistance group, was on radio svoboda in kyiv, today there was a mass farewell ceremony for combatant dmytro kotsyubail, better known as da vinci by his call sign , thousands gathered in the center of the ukrainian capital to say goodbye to da vinci people, including the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky, minister of defense oleksiy reznikov, commander-in-chief of the armed forces valery zaluzhny, chief military intelligence officer kyrylo budanov, as well as the prime minister of finland, sanna-marin, who is in kyiv today on a visit, was at least dmytro kotsyubailo headed a separate mechanized battalion of the da vinci wolf as a part of the 67th separate mechanized brigade. he died on march 7

under bakhmut. he was 27 years old. it's a pity that putin's horde is taken away by one of the best women of our defender, warrior, hero of ukraine as the new representative to dmytro, whom all of us and probably the country and not only knew by

his nickname . the artist says that this is a ukrainian hero, a real hero dmytro kotsyubailo was simply the best among the best, and that is why the war took him , it is a pity that it happened like this, no one in ukraine can say that da vinci was something other than the word hero. we all have to remember this, dmytro - this is the commander, this is the mentor, this is the back and the wall to his fighters, boys and girls, this is an example, this is a role model, this is the correct ideological correction , well, there are such and such, indeed, there are individuals, very

modest in life, friendly, open, sometimes sincere , so naive, but this war was his life, this legend the security service of ukraine reported the suspicion to the former top officials of the state enterprise antonov, the general director of its deputy managers, antonov is suspected of obstructing the legal activities of the armed forces of ukraine, which led to the capture of the gostomel airfield and the destruction of the an-225 dream plane, the law enforcement officers do not name the suspects, but according to a number of ukrainian media liganet cenzrnet the day before the sbu detained the former general director antonov serhiy bychkova, the court arrested him for 60 days in addition to bychkov sbu

detained the chief of security antonov, surnamed netyosov, and the director of the director of the air transport enterprise antonov, surnamed kharchenko, the director was more precisely informed about the suspicion, censor.net writes in absentia, according to the version of the investigation, in january-february of 2022 , antonov's managers repeatedly refused the national guard to build engineering and fortification structures on the territory airfield in gostomel, which led to a decrease in the defense capability of the object and as a result of the seizure of a strategic object for the defense of the capital, the sbu confirmed that the two involved a preventive measure has been chosen in the form of detention, and the third is hiding, he is declared wanted, the investigation will be objective, they will convince the sbu, we are conducting an objective investigation of this case, those who actually helped the patient to destroy one of the symbols of ukraine must suffer the well-deserved punishment and the sbu will do for this everything is necessary, and a new plane will be built by our state, because the dream, like ukraine

, cannot be destroyed, and roger antonov's leaders are suspected of not allowing the national guard to enter the territory of the airport. this is at all possible , but now we will talk about it on the air. it is difficult to say in general, you have to look at what is being directly incriminated there, but if it is difficult, it is difficult once again, such a situation , you understand what, well, i hope that there is a fact of a crime and looking at how this is obstruction it didn’t look like it at all, i don’t think that antonov’s manager was there himself. he lay down on this airstrip and did not allow anything to be built there, you just have to understand and see how the national guard

wanted to build it and how exactly this obstacle was that they couldn’t. one company manager couldn’t allow it there. a unit of the national guard to build some fortifications there. do you know that the question for the security service of ukraine is that if they have already started to understand who didn't do what, why did the consequences go to the same gostomel airfield , then i think that then they already gave the green light to understand in general who did not complete something during the full-scale invasion, then it is necessary to understand who did not complete what here , for example, why the south was captured so quickly , there are many other points that, as i understand it, the time has come and it is necessary to talk about everything then , not only directly about one gostomel airport if there really was a dream about the plane well, here, of course, i also have a question about

what kind of algorithm the director of the company should have had, and why did she stay at the gostomel airport, if, for example, vlada says that everyone knew about the full-scale invasion since november, why did this plane remain then, and this is not just a dream, many planes were destroyed there that belonged directly to the state, our enterprises to anton, because they all remained, so if the time comes, let's consider all the cases only airportnov, you know roman, i just read this news today and the text of the suspicion, more precisely, not the text, but the news of the sbu about this suspicion, and i imagined a picture of the national guard coming to the airfield to build some fortifications, but antonov's leadership does not let the national guard in. and considering the presence of a powerful institute of telephone law in ukraine , well, that is, if someone really wanted to get in , you could call and say, well, let them in, if possible, someone was afraid of something, that is, well

, for me, it's like here, the question is in the following there is the national guard, this is a paramilitary unit, for example, you are not protecting anyone now , i think that the sbu has the case materials. of course, we don't know everything, but in principle, let 's think. what is the order there, a combat order or just an order to take the airport under guard and defense there, gostomel is like that, and he has to carry out this order. whoever does not object to him cannot, for example, someone can object to him carrying out a combat order. i don’t know, i just need to look at the nuances. he said yes, go build something there, and he came there and told him, but no, you won’t build anything here , of course, nothing can happen if someone specifically said that there will be an invasion tomorrow , you need to put fortifications directly in airport gostomel, then he had to come there and put no civilian person. no director could forbid him from this. as far as i understand as a military person, if i have an order, i will carry it out and then let it be

by any means directly if it is an order regarding the defense and protection of let the law enforcement authorities figure out who is giving and who is not giving and whether they had the right to do so. that's why i see it this way, first of all, if the security service sees it differently. well, i think that everything will be seen in court, we will see now. the main thing so that it doesn't happen like this, you know that when a person is completely undermined there, his authority there and that's all, and now tomorrow he will be released due to the absence of a crime, and then no one will even apologize, and once again i say that i do not know the full extent of the case, but i do not know how it is possible to prohibit building the military formation, some fortifications, when there is an order for this. well, it is possible that antonov’s leadership also received an order from above, but it is possible from some other side not to let anyone in, it is possible to deal with this

, maybe there was some other order, well, i have to be militarized, the structures must have a clear vertical there is no democracy there, there is only one boss, the senior boss sets a task, you have to fulfill it, if it is a criminal order, of course not if it is an order regarding the defense and protection of objects . moreover, the authorities say that they knew that there will be a war, then we need to figure out if they really didn’t let them in, how they didn’t let them in, that is, they didn’t let them in there, or there with weapons, the guard didn’t let them in, they locked the gates, they locked the gates and didn’t let them in, well, listen. if i were a platoon commander and i was put higher management to take the object under guard because tomorrow there will be an invasion, no gate prevented me. believe me, yes, it is so. it's just very strange, it really sounds good. maybe you know or assume or you better understand what the sbu reports in its news. if we talk about gostomel and

airfields there, do we have any signs that the russian military was waiting there? is it possible ? it's just a matter of some kind of sabotage or lack of communication . defense well, i can't tell you exactly, there are different data, they differ. i know that immediately after the landing of russian troops , they began to withdraw troops there, how was it organized until the landing force was able to land and began to operate, we remember the shot down helicopters that flew up there so we had anti-aircraft defenses there , but the fact that the enemy was able to capture it and then we had to repulse it again well, i think that there was definitely some kind of defense there, that it

wasn’t just that the enemy landed there. we we remember the battles that took place directly. we saw them on the video footage. our defenders fought and defended there, but the enemy occupied it for the first days, but then we had to fight it off for a very long time. i think that the defense was only a question of what and before a full-scale invasion. the representative of the specialized committee on national security , defense and intelligence , in general, have you heard any conversations or intentions to strengthen the resort in gostomel ? they did not refer to specific airfields, yes to all airfields, no, they did not say whether gostomol airfield or zhulyany airfield or boryspil airfield were discussed. when we were told, the heads of departments came there , the chief of the general staff, there

they said that there might be an attempt, for example , to seize lithuania, and well, we understand we remember how, for example, the defense of the zhulyana resort was organized by general crooked nose already during a full-scale invasion. in those days when he himself took units of the territorial defense were introduced there to defend it, they poured oil there according to the report on the landing strip , that is, they did it directly during the invasion, not in advance, so i don't remember the specifics about the guest house, what exactly happened, we talked about airfields in general , yes vasylkiv himself we remember they tried there and you know why why i draw attention specifically to gostomel, but if you remember when this scandal arose about the murder of the intelligence agent kirev, then you remember budanov said that allegedly it was kirev who informed that gostomel would be attacked. gostomel was highlighted in this list

of airports. yes, i remember. i remember. well, we can see that he was captured. we see because there were direct battles, but they already pushed out the enemy, then they were able to capture him, and then the aviation was already working, and our defenders also lost a lot of guys there, but they were able to repel them , just like all the kyiv region, now the sbu also says that this is the leadership antonov, that's it for now that the court did not pass a sentence, but the suspicion is also that their actions caused the destruction of the dream of the plane, the dream, you said that not only the dream was destroyed there , but really. the pride in some sense was ukrainian, they were not taken out in advance, there was no time, they were not really prepared, well, how do you explain it, well, look, if you knew there that

, for example, there would be a threat tomorrow, yes, your house will be robbed there, 100% of you probably have no way to protect it or in doubt whether you can or not, i think that the most valuable thing should be taken out of there, yes, at least yes, and they would probably leave there themselves and leave it there or call the police for this reason, so i think that there was simply no team. i think that it is necessary to understand here, for example, who makes decisions about moving air the ships are at the antonov enterprise, do you know that tomorrow there is a war, there are poland, there are other airfields, for example , our neighboring countries could be raised and agreed if there is such a threat that they flew there who who should have given the command for this for example, i don't know the president there, the head of ukroboronprom, the question did the head of defense of ukroboronprom know that there would be an invasion tonight, he didn't know, if he did, why didn't he give the order, or

should the director himself have made this decision, if the director had, did he receive information that there would be a full-scale invasion today well, will it not be there at all? this has to be dealt with by the security services, and in particular not there. why didn’t they allow some fortifications to be built there? it’s also important if it’s this. this fact is simply that it looks quite strange, but directly all these nuances, and this is possible not only according to antonov, in other combat units, we have commands that were not evacuated either, and the military also had rockets fly there and people died on the first day, they were not evacuated or moved reserve points , there are also such questions, and if the sbu raised this issue, let's follow it. we will deal with a lot of questions, the sbu will have to answer . well, given that the security service itself opens these cases and announces suspicions, we will monitor roman, thank you very much roman kostenko, people's deputy, faction, voice of the secretary of the committee

issues of national security, defense and intelligence was on radio svoboda well, i will remind you that if you watch us on the internet, in particular on youtube, like this broadcast, the algorithms work in this way what the more likes, the more people will know about us, support our work in this way well, here we go then the kremlin-controlled so-called courts of the lpr and dpr groups handed down the so-called sentences to three ukrainian prisoners of war, among them the well-known human rights defender and journalist maksym butkevich, information about the so-called sentences appeared today on the website of the investigative committee in russia, therefore, maxim butkevich was sentenced to 13 years in prison, the terms were also announced. the azov fighters received mariupol defenders , viktor pohozey was given 8.5 years in prison. prohibited methods, this is literally a quote , in addition, maksym butkevich was accused

of attempted murder of two people and unintentional damage to someone else's property, this is also a quote from the so-called verdict of maksym butkevich, as i already said she said. he is a well-known ukrainian human rights defender and journalist. he is a co-founder of the public radio center human change. he used to be a member of the board of the ukrainian representative office international and the public council under the ministry of internal affairs. as a human rights defender , he specializes in protecting the rights of refugees. he was the coordinator and co-founder of the project without borders aimed at helping asylum seekers and actively spoke for changing migration rules for repressed belarusians who fled from belarus to ukraine in march 2020 after the 20th year maksym butkevich joined the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine in july of last year it became known that he was captured by the russian military in the area of ​​the settlements of zolote and gornaye of the luhansk region . what happens to the prisoners who are tried by the so-called courts of the so-called dn r of the lpr and how does this affect the subsequent release of such people

from captivity, that's what we're going to talk about tetyana pechonchyk, head of the board of the center for human rights , the change joined our broadcast tetyana my greetings good evening tetyana, here's the status of a convict for a prisoner of war in russia it somehow affects the further possibility of his return. i will talk about maksym butkevich in particular. now i will say about maksym butkevich, as part of the next exchange , it will somehow make it difficult to return him because he was already convicted there. of course, this sentence is a pseudo-sentence, of course, because the case there , as we can see, is completely fabricated. and in general , it is difficult to imagine that maksym butkevich could have committed the crime he is accused of, but we know from previous practice that our convicted servicemen were also returned from russian captivity ; in particular, we can recall the example of bohdan

pantyushenko, who received 18 years in the so-called dpr and after serving five years, he was returned , so we hope that after this verdict, maksym butkevich will also be able to be exchanged, just like other ukrainian servicemen. or have already forgotten because a lot of time has passed, because maksym butkevich was one of those ukrainians who was very actively involved in the company for the liberation of kremlin prisoners, in particular sentsov and kolchenko, this is such a pivotal story for the kremlin, the truth is, how much does this affect the attitude of the moscow kremlin towards butkevich himself, that just such a person was captured in their hands. after the first days after the russians captured him near the villages of the mountain and gold in the luhansk region, it was clear that maksym is treated in a special way, because in the russian propaganda telegram

channels in their so-called mass media, they began to spread the story that they had caught a neo-nazi, although it is funny to listen to it at all, because maksym butkevich was a human rights defender and in general he professed left-wing political views and after that, after such a deceptive campaign, he was also reminded that he was an activist of the euromaidan and a discrediting campaign was fabricated against him , it was clear that the attitude towards him would be special and that it would be difficult to release him all these months his relatives acquaintances and relatives are fighting for maxim to be released, drawing attention to this case, but we see that the so -called dnr, lnr, these proxy republics still decided to go the way of fabricating a criminal case case and today, the investigator of the russian federation announced the sentence for maxim

to 13 years in prison. do you have any understanding or maybe you already know where he will serve this sentence, where he is now and when was the last time he contacted colleagues or relatives, we do not have such information according to the data that came to us , he was in luhansk and actually this so-called sentence was handed down by the so-called supreme court of the lpr and in general you mentioned that maksym fought for the release of other prisoners the kremlin in previous years, he was especially active in the liberation of oleksandr kolchenko oleg sentsov, today oleg sentsov is at the front defending ukraine with a weapon in his hands and speaks the same way about the release of maksym butkevich as he once fought and we see

that unfortunately they are here now they switched places and maksym butkevich is already a prisoner of the kremlin. and he did not contact his relatives . i understand that he was not in touch with him for the first few months after being captured. in the summer, he was captured in the 20th of june. after that, he was captured twice the russian mass media showed propaganda stories, but also at the beginning of autumn there was still a connection and one day maxim was able to communicate with his parents, what he said then, you don't know, it wasn't a long substantive conversation, he couldn't report much, he only reported that that everything is fine with him, but according to the video that was released today with the so-called confession of maxim, we see that he is tortured, that he

is exhausted and it is obvious that all is not well with him . now i also want to ask you about that article the articles on which the so-called verdicts were handed down to butkevich and the defenders of mariupol, why exactly such wording, it sounds like they are guilty of cruel treatment of civilians and the use of methods prohibited in armed conflict can it affect the future ? on june 4, he fired a grenade launcher at some house in north donetsk, according to the information we have, his unit berlingo was not at all in north donetsk at that time, and it is clear that there is no point in discussing all these

accusations, because all the people who know maxim know that he was a pacifist about his defender defended refugees asylum seekers internally displaced persons fought against discrimination hate speech he was a person who had humanitarian views and even if you don't know him but just read about him on the internet or even watch this video with the so-called confession. it is clear that maksym did not commit this crime and in general the story i think is more of an internal propaganda one aimed at internal propaganda in the russian federation that they supposedly captured and later tried some malicious ukrainian nazis, because with them there were also two other servicemen , sentences were announced from the azov battalion, which is also highly stigmatized in the russian federation, and

there were campaigns of defamation of this battalion and in the same way, i already mentioned against maksym. in other words, it was made by such expository stories that are primarily aimed at the domestic audience. tetyana. and do we have any approximate idea of ​​how many ukrainians were convicted, so to speak, convicted in non-controlled ukrainian territories. is it possible to trace their whereabouts and fate in principle well, it's one thing when they judge in russia, and another thing when they judge the occupied, are there any special differences? we don't have such data, and the occupying country, the russian federation, does not allow independent observers. the international committee of the red cross is not in prisons in the territory of the russian federation, nor in the so-called dpr and lpr, and how many such people receive sentences is unknown, we can only follow some stories that are already becoming so propagandistic that they themselves submit through mass media or

sometimes succeed on the territory of the russian federation for lawyers to take part in these cases , moreover, they sometimes find out about it at the last moment when an announcement about court sessions is published on the websites of judges, there are a lot people are in a state of incommunicado detention, when no charges are brought against them at all. now i am talking about civilian hostages, when people were creditworthy , became victims of forced disappearances and are kept for months and long months without any contact with the outside world, without providing lawyers, without informing relatives and without bringing no criminal charges only in rare cases sometimes it happens that in the end some charges are brought against people it could be espionage it could be sabotage or accusations of acts of international terrorism and did i understand you correctly that in a year of full-scale war to deepen cooperation with