[000:00:00;00] and lawyers manage to enter these cases on the territory of the russian federation, moreover, they sometimes find out about it at the last moment , when an announcement about court sessions is published on the websites of judges, a lot of people are in a state of incommunicado detention , when at all they are not charged with any charges here. now i am talking about civilian hostages, when people were abducted , became victims of enforced disappearances and remain for months and long months without any contact with the outside world, without providing lawyers, without informing relatives and without bringing no criminal charges only in rare cases, sometimes it happens that in the end some charges are brought against people, it could be espionage. it could be sabotage or accusations of acts of international terrorism, and did i understand you correctly that during a year of full-scale war

, to deepen cooperation with international organizations you just mentioned the red cross, it didn't work, they don't go there and don't work and don't follow the prisoners in the occupied territories, only if we are talking about maksym butkevich, at the end of the summer, in august, we managed to get there to meadow to luhansk to the representative of the united nations organization and a propaganda story was filmed about it with the so-called ombudsman of the so-called luhansk people's republic in this story we also saw maksym butkevich he did not speak, he was just in the room where this meeting took place tatyana, thank you very much for explanation tetyana pechonchyk, head of the board of the human rights center , change, we talked about the so-called verdicts for three ukrainians today in the occupied territory, in particular, for maksym butkevych , journalist, human rights defender, thank you very much

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work within the framework of our direction, well, if it was the day of a military journalist, i'm not a military journalist, you understand i was recently. and they just decided on me. at this time, well, if it was like that. pay attention to me, but it's not exactly according to my profile. i'm glad it's a state award. i'm very grateful. i don't think she's grateful and modest at the same time . no, i don't think she is. i won't stay there. well, i worked. they give it to them. i like it. it's normal. you have biden. now you mentioned his recent visit to kyiv. i'm interested. yes, i also work in the mass media in marathon, but i didn't know and many of my colleagues didn't know that he only the journalists knew that he would come, well, some pulot and how did you find out in general? this is also because of your acquaintance , you found out that he will be. i do not enter this pool. and there is this short pool. you understand, when biden arrives, it is not the same pool as when he arrives

. duda arrives by train. yes , by train. and this a much smaller circle why because not only our security service but their security service clearly has its own requests for a limited circle so that photographers do not hang out there i understand this completely objectively when in the summer there was macron and the italian scholz i don't remember a lee someone else then there were five people i got out of them, i got a photo that spread when they were looking up, when we started to hear some incomprehensible noise and it started to spread so well, then i got out and thought the main thing: when biden comes, you will not be in the zone where i can't get there. for example, i'm going there in bakhmut to kherson and somewhere else. it's quite possible that this morning everyone started to find out

. hello to everyone, probably biden, probably biden, at this moment i was already on the street of the heavenly hundred . it was the day of laying flowers and i started reading there next to it. i don't touch anyone there, i don't approach the police , i ask you to cross where you can't thank god here for two moments, thank god, i have a long focus on optics, i can from a very long distance. they know us all, but they clearly told us that this is not possible, which means that this is possible.

at a long distance from afar i know that your photo is the same as the famous one that flew around all the publics, yes, that day it is not the same it is different there, but well, let's be honest my colleague has a lot of respect, he is a brilliant person and that's it sometimes i win, sometimes my colleagues they will win this one too this person has won over me in terms of time, you call yourself a reportage photographer, by the way, they are in essence, but i looked at your photos and well, sometimes there really are, i don’t know, works of art, in fact, reportage photographers, if that’s what i always say, we are now sitting in the studio and there are 3-5 cameras working on us there, maybe seven, and sometimes there is a faucet here . what is the scale of the system? you know, i am big, you are big , the general plan is standing, and so on . i also absolutely have to come.

rocket, there is no half-house, my task is just very simple, but the most qualitatively delicious. despite such bad words , as part of the event that took place, take a photo of a general shot, a close-up shot, i have some kind of toy there , for example, this turned out, i call this photo yellow kitchen. that's what many foreigners called me it was recorded like this, this is a yellow kitchen, for example, yes, this is in dnipro. yes, in dnipro , i made it from a drone, for example, but i did everything too , i just had a large one, well, in this case, i used a camera from a drone. yes, there close-up, that is, i take it, i take all the sizes, plus i take it exactly the same way as the cameramen, i was just a cameraman before that , i just look over my shoulder, make three-dimensional shots, that is, you understand why, that's all i do, reportage, it happens that we are called a military journalist, a military i will show the photographer with tags, and there are still

military photojournalists about none of these events . these names do not apply to me. why? they are mobilizing, they are mobilizing, a war correspondent, i won't give you the exact same time to go there and you live there together with the boys for a few days, no, i have no obligations , i'm going, even more, i'll tell you i like it, i don't like it at that moment it's happening there, you're right, i'm saying it sounds bad, but the photographer who doesn't like his shots is bad. i understand that i get into some space where the number of my colleagues is limited, the number of opportunities is limited, and when i take a shot, i'm just you understand yes, i do

it's just that it uses all the limitations, it comes out more due to this , that's also such a thing, modern photography is not a photograph, it's a composition from a photo of a social network, submit it on time, this is the whole composition. i don't know, i know ukrainians of such a people, how exactly is a people in which i am also a citizen, i am a part of it, so it turned out that before the war, we were in the parliament there and the vp and so on, we could count 20 people within the framework of 20 people who took an active part in the professional filming of all these events as reportage photographers, the war began, where the hundred, first of all, you can be a little sad, well, how is that a lot, as i was there in the twenties, now there are hundreds, and secondly, they push me, these people taught me to shoot in the war he didn't know how to shoot, i'll tell you honestly that i shot a portrait there , which is very cool now, the optics are cool cameras . it's great. i had accreditation, not everything was

difficult, you took pictures, and savchenko . yes, it was a lot of lessons. say that i didn't know how, but people showed a different level. it's just a difference, you understand because of the difference, and so yesterday, now the story itself , that's why i say that it's a positive, these photographers push me . so on to social networks, it lifts me up, i don’t consider myself limited there, what else, go work, that’s all that a photographer who wants to compete there needs, and so on. this is nazar, a certain part of him is presented to us as a car to shoot, i think it is quite right because now

it is necessary to show, i quote this person, he just goes and says, well, i ask him, i say that he writes to me a lot from some people, are you a real journalist here , spread the word, i think this sounds familiar to you here's how some military people complain. here's a video that they don't get beaten up, they throw everyone in the front , they leave everyone there, you have such and such moments, i have a lot of such moments, some moms there, it's like they're all closed. that is, go to this profile already there are a lot of them, it’s not because i can’t even look at who is suggesting that i invest in such a poo and that a storm will immediately fall on me, well, respect, negative tver , now look. he tells me there are two types of people , i ask him a lot of such things he says two types of people he says type meet one says taraska kapets he uses other words there you will replace them yourself he says and why kapets you tomorrow i say autumn is coming he says tomorrow the leaves will fall and everything and they will leave us wetting understood

well there is another word wetting so replaced aga i listened, he says, i’ll meet you there, says taras kapets. why didn’t i hear that? he says i didn’t hear it. he says i didn’t hear it. the leaves will fall soon , we’ll go. the process is food, you understand the class. how many specific ones? and how did you decide to go to the front-line cities? it was march of the 22nd year and you went to mykolaiv oblast, if i'm not mistaken . you didn't stay in kyiv. in irpin and under i remember that it was from some side of kyiv, i don't know a little bit about the geography of kyiv, the driver took me there with irpen and i remember that it was so dangerous there that some americans were shot. in those days there was

i spent a lot of such chips. i guess it was a day and we went to mykolaiv. yes, i remember the first shooting at that time . it was probably a little absurd and wrong. i used to fly a lot on a drone. we are all learning to do this i flew a lot before the war, and here the magnification works automatically . i think i need a shot like that, one from above, one from below, that 's all a drone. and despite the fact that everything was broken, she went to feed them. and she was from the next street than this one , she fed these dogs. i just remembered her words. when she says that there is such a synchronicity, she talks about people, and so on. also there is nothing, she is somehow positive and says that god has given us all trials in life for a reason. she says that you will come to us in mykolayiv. she says that everything will be

fine. remember that we did not eat soup afterwards . well, it was positive, but i want to tell another story. the whole story is terrible, because it was not at the beginning of the war until that moment, until this butch appeared, this butch was a little later. you see , i worked there at the front from the 14th year. the year was quite busy even within the framework of one of the central tv channels as a cameraman of ukraine, i remember very well that when i first arrived there , i filmed for the first time in the 14th year , i walked along its left side, talked with the military , took pictures. it got so bad that i was in such an ethereal, historical place. and what

i was doing is unclear. and i was a cameraman then, you know. even when you work there for a salary, it's a little different than when you live it a little. i don't want to. there are different people there and among all professions, but i i think damn not even then when i got there, i stopped doing it, i was shooting straight away because it's called watering in our profession, i was hunting all the time and then i was more happy why because i was shooting there, for example, for three days a week, i came home, i wasn't very well for a day or two, and then i accumulated it was not at home. it was in donetsk region, despite the fact that i lived in kramatorsk slavyansk until 2007. my parents lived there, they left , then they came back already during the deoccupation of kramatorsk-slavyansk. but despite the fact that the human psyche works. i was at home in kyiv, there was no war , it was there, i could go there. then i had time to return, in march, when i returned from western ukraine

, where i threw my family, child and wife , they were in uzhhorod at that time, i returned home i remember that it was the most terrifying. in the morning, i wake up, open my eyes, and here's some kind of realization that the war is here, you can't go somewhere now, retire somewhere and return to rest, where he is, but not here. and you're not going anywhere, you don't live anywhere. it's even this house, where will it be tomorrow , well, that is, conditionally . yes, we all believe in victory. well, it's pumping and so on and so on . let's get to the question, and that's why we decided to go further. the first shooting and other hot cities followed, you chose specifically where it was the hottest, because you filmed saltivka exactly when it was mercilessly bombed, that's right, i tried to go to these cities where the hottest , first and second, where i oriented myself

geographically, kharkiv. i know all of kharkiv like that because i lived there for three years and just as an operator in the press, it's like a taxi driver, that is, it really goes that it exploded, burned down, or there was some event, a wedding, all that. sharish from donetsk region, i lived there, i know it too. mykolaiv , kherson - it's not my territory, so if you look in the percentage ratio, they traveled less 100% de-occupation of khersonshchya allowed time almost immediately the first or second day got there well, all the de-occupations sviatohorsk estuary raisin cemetery osi mass burials oh how spontaneous oh by the way you went to iyyum how did you get there i don’t know i i just watched it in our news and it was already antsy with the body and you just came to the cemetery where there are hundreds of dead. well, it's not just bodies as it was and it's not a fact

that up to 500 bodies are just like that, there, like that everything is right, you say. well, let's take pictures, it's easier than watching . why should i look at my footage? after a week, it will take time. i'll take photos in detail. and there is no here, i will tell you honestly, you are working. everything is even, you are working, but i was working without emotions, absolutely it comes with time, maybe this is my professional deformation, you know, i could tell you an impressive story that i almost fell here because of what i felt there, no, you shoot, you work quickly you know that you are in a limited school

, that's why very few people get there, everything is closed, you get in, you take off, you come home and you feel bad, but i feel bad, maybe it's my reaction , i can't judge it, but i'll honestly tell you that i come home when i spend about 3, 4, 5 days, then i still have one or two days, you know how it happens, then you leave there, there is such an emphasis of attention there, well, conditionally , there are different photo stocks, that's all on us, now everything is signed, conditionally, everything cooperates with us and it's very wonderful. it's just like that and it should be and you promised everyone there tomorrow to you tomorrow here there you come here and then just in the morning you don't want to communicate with anyone and that's it after this shooting i also remember i was just here i'm here i don't know i think it's clear i'm explaining no specific words at the same time this one just annoys you, you don't want to talk to anyone, no one annoys you, so you need to be specific, someone is calling , no, not now, bach and that's it, i'm sorry for this one, but i had so much of it, that's right, you said after the salats, it's after

that after the raisin saltivka, in general, i foolishly contributed a little because at that time i did not have such cooperation with the military and press officers, but i knew the territory and i was there in general. how many enemies is there? i knew everything was somewhere nearby. well, god loves me . i love him too. maybe i'm talking a little too much about this. i'm not the person who goes to church there, but i need it. i'm going there. i know that angels are already protecting me there. there might be something else, well, i feel like i'm not driving right now, and how is it, i don't know, it's not a tree, but it's possible, i'll take these photos very often later on social networks , you know, they're 18+, they're cute, you need to confirm your age to look at some of your photos, so that just this content so you look at it and it shocks right from the first frames. and you stage it, you just

have to have iron nerves or stay awake for several nights, well, it's probably in between. well, i 'm also talking about the deformation, we get used to it regardless of what you said that i'm there everything is so modest there. well, damn, it’s already a lot. what we see is a little bit, everything is the same, everything is easier, even i think that at the level there, psychologically, my head is blocking me . i’m coming to kyiv. me under irpen, in march, my grandmother galya is there , and her neighbor is tanya, and you understand, yes, i understand all this 100%. i say, listen, let's not be, i'm asking you for these little things, i can't do it anymore, i have it, you know everything, like in all your stories, but i'll also give you one quote and let's move on to your question, it's from nazar, he told me well that the deceased person he

with the military , he said more that his family should mourn, but it is also necessary to have this limit. everyone will start to mourn him and die. it already turns out that putin was three people, well, you understand here, this is the story, so you can't allow the enemy to use it like this , so you have to hold on, of course. by the way, you probably have terabytes of photos. during all this time, there is some such i don't i can say my favorite. but i don’t know which one you liked the most from the point of view of performance. or maybe emotionally, it is the most dear to you. let me give you two names . look at this question, i hear it. well, even before the war, they always want to emphasize what exactly yes

that's exactly what i'm saying about this, that it's always the thing that's been keeping you emotionally the most lately . do you understand that it's always changing ? a desktop on a computer in my phone there, too, the steering wheel is cool and straight and if i lived there all the time on a large plasma, there are no photos of me, thank god look and then i will name from the last ones and which of the last ones is the most scattered this yellow kitchen and on the most favorite question is a photo with chess there, where there are sso employees who are in bakhmut, i went with them for several days in one of the premises of the educational institution, there were chess pieces and they sat down to lay out everything, we cooperate with each other, many will say that somehow they all

feel this way they are for me it's all the same to them, it's nice for the military, they want to get it. after, well, if there were photos and they immediately sat down there to play. i took these photos and right away someone said because i'm not going to lie because i don't remember that it's messi ronaldo and that's it. then it was born at that moment, and i already knew that it was us. ronaldo would be in the post. i had a photo in my head and saw it 10,000 times . messi, ronaldo, forward to the world cup. they also played chess and i even dream. sometimes i even think positively about it. they are different from someone there, i dream that one day you know, they may not have seen these ronaldos, but even at their level there is war and such a photo. maybe one day we will have a photo of five eyes , two employees of the sso, i have them all signed , we have a contact, this is and that's where they once were

you will present so in pyaterov, just get a photo it would be very cool this is a dream, it is far from being realized from here well, but you have to dream, no one can dream, so you mentioned the ato and how you traveled then in the 14th 16th year and now you drive, what difference do you feel between that war and what is it now, yes, and how have our defenders changed ? you watch them, yes, look, in the 14th year, there was a very big surge of this volunteering of volunteers, but it died out because everything is exactly the same for each of these voluntary things there is a budget for this, because no one wants to defend the state. i don't criticize people in kyiv who are walking because there is no war here , a person like her, his qualities are to gravitate towards the positive. and it's normal if you

don't see the deaths of the war there, he is with your own eyes even if it is 100 km away, over time you begin to live a different life and that is normal , the whole world should not die because there in ukraine, because we will all die, positivity is needed to infect negativity, but i think that the military needs to really receive such money what well, let there be no question so that climbing in puddles under bullets and something else were just so that, well, if the war was blocked now, which was not even then, then he entered, i did not feel that he would not go further , you know when i felt a year before the war. somehow, i don't know, it happened to be honest, i just studied the history of the war in ichkeria, i don't like the name of the chechen republic , it's the same russian name. - this is the russian name, so there are two stages of the war, and there and there, i just looked at the two stages

of transnistria, what was in them, so they started. this horse is in belarus. they came to us once when that was all. i looked, and also armenia , azerbaijan with the support of russia and i'm watching. and we have one stage of the war. and i'm the first rank in chess. i understand that if they are there twice there twice , what is this technology ? they are exactly in one place they call that side the militia, and in the sakartol the other side, they have the same technology. the main thing is to give a brand, so over time , i understood this in our country alone, and i understand that it is not strange for them to enter a second time, and the first time i predicted a war in belarus ended with the fact that well, they just drove the equipment there now , if only conditionally