[000:00:00;00] and any information is important in the telegram. greetings, dear viewers of the espresso tv channel, the studio program, the event, we will analyze the most important events of this week and we will try to predict the further course of events, our guests are the former deputy of the state duma, the video blogger mark feigin and the former deputy minister of foreign affairs of belarus, a belarusian figure of the opposition andriy sannikov will now work on espresso tv channel mark feigen, a member of the russian opposition in exile, a former member of the state duma , a well-known video blogger, glory to ukraine, mark vitayu to you heroes, glory to the council. greetings to everyone, greetings. anton bakhmut. in your opinion, why did putin get so hard and bloody

in bakhmut ? why are they deploying this absolutely crazy , senseless meat grinder? i mean, i explain it to myself that in the last change of command, i mean the return of the actual head of the general staff of the army general gerasimov. well, in general , shoigu's role is more significant than it was before the leadership of the previous leadership in the person of survykin. it seems to me that somehow they agreed on some minimal task that they must perform . regarding the luhansk region, it seems that they believe that

they have it under full occupation control . this is all done in the calculation that after bakhmut there, i don’t know the next cities, also about kiev . after all, she refuses them herself, but there must be some sense in this, and i see that they want to leave donbass behind . in any case, they can make parts of the zaporozhye region, perhaps kherson region, with an exchange card , but they cannot give up donbass crimea and donbass are such important points, understanding what is going on, and for the command of the armed forces, in turn, it is completely clear . why is bakhmut held back, to continue restraining the forces, and so that the russian units

bear these costs, this pressure on the counteroffensive of the armed forces is possible because of the 5th week can be in 7 weeks. 7 weeks is the maximum period until which we have to endure. when the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine begins , it is possible in the south. and they say that there are more than 50,000 russian troops fighting under bakhmut well, of course, the moments of ugledar or there on the tak mak or melitopol well, that is, they will continue to be in the battle zone in the east precisely under bakhmut, so it is important for the russian command and the russian kremlin to take the whole of donbass well, that is, there is in the donetsk-luhansk region to get this negotiating position well, how have we closed these already our regions, so agree to the peace plans, we are ready to

lead some kind of exchange, but this is very logical, this is important explanation well, because everyone else is talking about how they say this war of attrition, it is important to turn it into a positional one, but they will not be able to hold these territories if ukraine receives the declared amount of weapons and first carries out a counter- offensive operation, that is, its own operation deoccupation of the land of the yuga then she will take it from the east , you know, that is, they will not win from the fact that you will put one to seven in the ratio of tens of thousands of military personnel under this bombshell, you will not solve the problem as it is, you are not kiev you will take these territories and you will not keep them, but i think that the whole strategy is built precisely on achieving the maximum possible result and the occupation of the entire donbass and making it an object of negotiations from that point of view. year you voted for something else, mark, but it is stubborn to tell the citizens of the russian federation how it is to sell

because they were told about the new territories of the russian federation and so on. and so on, we understand what kind of propaganda the car went for it, i just don't know how they would manage to jump out of that where they got themselves into, but on the other hand, these are their problems here, another equally important scenario is possible - this is the so-called peace plan you mentioned, i don't know not a plan, because from time to time they give out some fake signals. yes, but when the chinese joined , everything became even more complicated, because as far as we understand, it is not russia that wants to use china anymore, but china is ready to use russia, as you know for certain a mad bull terrier with a bloody face, probably china wants to participate in peace talks, wants to be moscow's frontman yes, it is possible to represent its position on behalf of moscow

, and for this it is necessary to gain full control over the donbass, gaining such support as beijing, perhaps moscow thinks that it will move faster in the direction of the negotiations, the position of the west is first of all, and here , in its turn, kiev will be undermined, well , it seems logical to me, this is the only explanation of the second question. and what does beijing get as a result? well, well, beijing gets control over moscow yes, he and such a person have this control over moscow to the required degree, so it is still there, you know, it’s a bit complicated from beijing’s point of view, it’s not very clear his goal , because in fact, for beijing , it doesn’t matter whether he gets control for russia with donbass or without donbass , to be honest, he will definitely also negotiate with sovereign ukraine regarding his economic interests, but there is no way to pretend to expand real in pyatinny

, neither in donbass nor in crimea, and why because the piatina already has all the opportunities for economic expansion, here it is not entirely clear, perhaps this is a game for that on moscow itself, and it is only trying to gain the support of beijing in this game. beijing , which will act as a lawyer, will succeed in the interest of the kremlin. you are the only explanation . beijing sent its emissary so that he traveled around europe. he visited everywhere and began to give various signals, then they rolled out their script but i understand that this script is the official part of it, it is empty, you understand, so if there were any additional questions that would be discussed in the oral mode , it would be something else. the plan is like stalin's constitution, it is about everything and nothing, yes, i have heard that i agree more, but there is no memorandum. unfortunately, there are 12 principles. well, it is clear. in principle, the first

principle is there to observe international law . international law, that is, internationally recognized borders, is the sovereignty of countries of state integrity, known in the principle of international law, enshrined in the founding document of the united nations. china is also a permanent member of the security council, the right of veto with all the attributes that obligate beijing to be the guarantor of the system of international law and security, so what? кто справляется это второй вопрос well and what? well , if you admit that there are established borders, yes, including ukraine i mean, you recognize these borders , which means crimea and the donbass and parts of the kherson zaporozhye regions , so then what are the sanctions discussed here? here there is nothing to discuss about implementation. and

if this is just a facade, it means some big geopolitical game as a result, which means that someone has more pieces left on this chessboard than someone less well, then put up with the fact that the response will be a little better for you yes , it is possible that beijing is one of the versions it was necessary for him not to wait there for ten years as usual, but for the rest of pin's third five-year term, and contrary to the general tradition of the change of power , the secretary of the communist party of the communist party of ukraine, for some reason he decided to mark him with some achievements of such a geopolitical character, there is something else to reintegrate taiwan, but it is impossible to do it immediately, and no one will do it, and also no one will do it, so that beijing participates in peace talks on ukraine

on the war there on an equal footing with the united states . why would the united states, europe, nato there are international consequences and consider themselves full participants in this negotiation process, since they are involved in it . why should beijing be involved? moreover, there are rumors that she often provoked this conflict, including the fact that she did not prevent putin when he arrived, the very canon of aggression against ukraine at the olympics. then beijing was waiting for an hour he expected that ukraine would go well and then even more so how should you become involved in this process after this hour it should have been earlier and it should have been so said setting the goals and objectives

of ending the war ending the killings and if you waited in your own interests, this is not international law and not the desire to ensure security, this is simply a proximate cause of such an international conflict, so i think that the usa, in principle , has set itself the task of not allowing the peace process and the peaceful tasting of this war, especially you know, all you can do to blackmail beijing is the supply of some types of weapons in moscow , components, connections, parts , components, components for military equipment, for weapons. answer that's what it's all about and china will pay much more because if there are already sanctions against it, you understand how else russia can exist in what kind of czech state with distributive elements in china's economy, considering its scale of development, it's simple and well, let's say so to demography 1 5 billion , what is there to feed people with something, then of course

there will be a monstrous collapse, so this is a very risky game on the part of beijing, or he is very convinced that this game will succeed either he risks hopelessness, you know, there are absolutely some who, in the second way, took a lot of oil with oil , and so on . reorients them now to the east from the west

and other things, so in fact it is not very clear to take such a risk, why do it , perhaps the third version is that a long game is a long-playing game just maneuvers to show symbolically the readiness of china to escalate with the west as such, but in fact beijing will not go to such an escalation at all. and sweeping off the table into his pocket everything that russia can offer and here i also agree with you, mark, that the talks, so to speak, about certain parameters of some peaceful negotiations in quotation marks are rather ephemeris at the moment. we have not heard any intelligible proposals from the russian federation and this is one time, and if they wanted, so to speak, to lead to something, they would start forming some kind of minimal party of peace, instead, they pack everyone

, pack them and squeeze them out of the country, and competitions take place, who is more in the jury, so competitions take place between the rabid, as in rhetoric as well as in concrete actions . it is very interesting how moscow behaves. you will see the way of public rhetoric about peace. the officials are down there in the morning and no one believes them, the west reacts that this is all a lie, this is all an attempt to delay time, win additional opportunities, some, yes , well, purely related to the acquisition of weapons on the side, they say iran, some are supplying things, try diplomatically to delay the moment of making certain decisions well, for example, about the tribunals of the un general assembly. yes, so to speak, this is also a task that is set unconditionally because moscow understands more and more some terminal decisions that

need to be canceled. then it will be very, very difficult and they will lead to the corresponding consequences . consequences, but i repeat that either it’s hopeless to do it, it’s important. yes, it’s possible, and moscow is in a completely different position. that it can afford to wage war there for years, and i ’m more inclined to this, or it’s some kind of suggestion from china, you know. precisely about the fact that, well, in 2000, everyone will want the war to end and it will definitely end, so come on, the kremlin , putin and his entourage, let's somehow come to some solutions, because otherwise you will simply lose and you will lose

and your territory there and your interests and your zones of influence can be ceded to completely different players, by the way, among others , especially ukraine, which can sort out belarus from moldova at the end of the war and make it part of the peace plan. what cannot be excluded? well, i mean transnistria and lukashenko's regime in minsk. he has already reached the lexicon. they call president zelensky nits, but in his position, he would click carefully with his tongue. entropy spreads to, that is, whether she wants it or not, but the so-called bryansk forest happened, and the wife appeared there, so to speak, of russian citizens. who went as volunteers to support ukraine , in general, the story is quite murky and we understand how the kremlin would like to use it. but perhaps there is already a feeling of some kind of internal russian feedback, the case is very difficult.

it's not always simple. there's a lot of mixed things, you know, so i'm not talking about conspiracy theory here . of course, it's natural. well, it's a simple question , and to what extent did the ukrainian special services help the russian volunteer corps ? there are some groups that cooperate with the ukrainian special services with the same rdk and simply citizens and simply ukrainians taken to russia yes, but they try not to settle them in the border territories there are definitely no ukrainians which have been taken from the occupied territories to russia, of course there are none, but still, there are some people with whom there is communication and internal security agencies . by the way , what are the different moods among russian chekists

? somewhere on the border, it is possible to open the gate in any way, but i want to say that of course this operation was not military in the full sense . they needed to show that it is not a big deal that it is completely possible with weapons in their hands, as if his compound does not come to the territory of russia and they cannot do anything, and they achieved it, they showed it armed people are completely different people than there bela, the tape recorders of the opposition, what we have actually said more than once that the men with automatics are a completely different opposition , the military opposition or something else. this is the second question. meaning in general no meaning does not have the fact that it is possible to enter russia and the fact that the saying so is serious in the resistance at the first

stage it will not be met it is a fact i think that this information has played a role for many people i i think that for western special services and for western observers, military experts, and so on, it became completely obvious that the conviction that nothing like this would happen to russia and that no one would invade its territory, including, in addition to all other things, led to the fact that the border - that’s how he protects himself and the forces of serious means 20 km from the border with ukraine , with which you are at war, there is nothing there . and you can drive quite a bit and stay in this territory for a few hours and there is little that the russian special services can do, well, we understand why are we talking because the border guards belong to the fsb department of russia, the fsb is, as it were, a part of the fsb, and on the eve of this story, we remember very well that there was a collegium , in particular, of the russian security forces .

it is, so to speak, digging under bortnikov , the head of the fsb, in order to depose him , so to speak. to your internal, so to speak, process of organizing the mobilization impulse, look, you can be attacked, dear citizens of the fatherland, the dangers of the trotskyists are forming, so to speak, squads, well, look there , the internal does not stop, it does not stop , and the fsb, so to speak, in the other forces of the structures between the fsb and the army there. well, and so further, that is, it is a self-evident thing, hardware , somewhere, it is caused by a desire to blame oneself , blame for some things , yes, translate the arrows, this is usual. what is happening,

yes, putin spoke to this fsb colleague, but colleagues of the fsb - this is what you know in secret power in russia, the main bodies of the colleagues of the fsb - this is the head of the fsb, they actually determine everything practically because , well, in part, they carry this function of security, but there are practically the same people there, except for some ritual leaders there in the security site medvedev is sitting because something is being decided , that he is playing some role, but the fsb colleagues are sitting with specific generals, you know, besides all the famous bortnikov, there are royals sitting all kinds of other people things definitely influence in a decisive way, therefore, of course, internally, some kind of hardware game takes the place of the boarder and there is someone who aims and there is someone who protects collective interests there inside separately, all this is, but the question remains the same that the war continues to be a war putin himself. and it is not the apparatus of power, the apparatus of power does not

pick up on its own desire to share responsibility for this for everything. it seems to me that this is a very important moment. and that is why putin, strictly speaking, does not try through the conflict is going to dream about bortnikov and that bortnikov calmly steps aside and bears more responsibility, he wants them to stay and shoigu and patrushev and bortnikov and gerasimov stay to share this responsibility with him, he is trying to involve them in the system in the orbit of these relations of responsibility and otherwise why is he them he doesn't fire them, they failed everything, all together , they failed the company in ukraine, we discussed it many times, they were relegated to gerasimovjoigu , and they were not fired, but returned to their positions . they went together and hung by the way putin repeated it in different ways by the way tell her to the mashevo family and so on

and so on you understand, therefore, bortnyk could theoretically be in the eighth decade, maybe he would have jumped, you know, he could have been and left, he would have said well, what, well , i’m old, they say that they allegedly cut out the prorations there, i don’t know, these are already rumors , yes, which are not confirmed by anything, but conversations talks, but in principle, this is what they are clinging to, that is what they are clinging to. for victory, if you won the war with ukraine, and there you increased your officials, businessmen , and so on. here they are occupying the territories and exploiting ukraine, and if you lose , it is still unknown that tomorrow it will be you you know what they are leaving behind bakhmut, what kind of future does bakhmut have, or a solider , or such cities, there is no living space left, or a small one, or an avdeevka ?

wagnerites and prigozhina. that is, we see how this star that swelled up swelled to some political size began to swell and as far as we understand that, so to speak, the classical military begins to completely pass a certain space under itself. in africa, which he will guard well, he himself talks about it, this is not what we are discussing with you anton himself about it today he said that his special communications phone was turned off and his pass for the passage was taken away hints that these are passes to the ministry of defense, the fsb to the general staff, and so on. i'm surprised that they don't hurt him at all. but that's okay. so he 's already openly saying that nothing has changed in terms of shells, everything else is a few recordings of the last ones, here's the video and audio he was recording well, the video, first of all, near the tank, where there is a storage room, it means that when something or an electric light turns on, i didn’t understand where he directly says that

, well, there won’t be a wagner attack, the enemy will fly almost to moscow. well, that is, to borders and there and further, and something to say, the armed forces of ukraine can capture a lot of things with this courage, and we are the only ones. you want to spend us. they are addressed to one single person, to putin, and putin does not have a mobile phone and does not use a computer, so he does not know anything. and they do not carry anything in putin's red wallet. ah, that's exactly what is happening. and now something is happening. konstatatsiyu what is being spent chvk wagner feels great satisfaction from this unconditional and gerasimu that they see the entire generality well, and hell with the president , he also kicked them with his feet, so if prigozhin does not have any resources left, they will all be spent precisely on bakhmut. but the british report about it that there are different numbers

called 5800 people per day , almost up to 2000 people die on some days. that’s it and willingly. the important thing is that no matter what happens to the general staff and the ministry of defense, it is necessary that these convicts are not left, it is necessary that there are no more of the wagner dude alive at all, that there are not five people left for prigozhin, you understand , and it will be even easier to deal with him , right so that's all this logic и аппаратная и военная and that's why it seems to me that everything will be developed on it figure of the russian opposition in emigration iconic video blogger and of course former member of the state duma thank you mark thank you anton thank you to all viewers our current guest andriy sannikov former deputy minister of foreign affairs of belarus belarusian opposition figure in

emigration former political prisoner lukashenka lives belarus glory to ukraine mr. andrii i congratulate you i congratulate you. good evening . an extremely alarming message has been received from our main intelligence department under the ministry of defense . military intelligence officers say that it is being prepared. some kind of powerful provocation literally in a couple of days, one of the leading russian propagandists, solovyov, should arrive in belarus and, rather , something large-scale can be done, it is about the russian lukashenko provocation. against ukraine, that is, he is the same aggressor, they will forget that he gives all his territory to the kremlin

militarily and did not give how today with the airfield of the same one that became known after the incident with the russian avaks took off 31 this is the same fighter that is capable of carrying hypersonic missiles dagger, that is, the actions are not friendly, that’s the way it is, so far from lukashenko’s side, they continue all the time, one more fact, i want to remind you that once again the so-called maneuvers, what are the tactics of the military during the war, this is preparation for a military operation, this is in no way a doctrine of peacetime, and they would like to remind you that it already lasts for almost an hour, that is, it is not ceasing maneuvers that are extended by order of the kremlin, of course because they need it. and therefore the worries are absolutely justified, the increased combat

readiness in the northern direction, well, from such subjective factors, to lead to lukashenko early, constantly after the incident in mochulyshchy, they point to the fact that something is really being prepared the big provocation with his participation, what kind of plan could this provocation be and why would it be necessary to send the russian propagandist solovyov there? yes, today poland, for example, i think is acting rationally, logically and competently when it installs fortifications, including anti-tank hedgehogs, on the border with belarus , lithuania is strengthening the border, that is , there are constant provocations in this direction with the use of migrants. with the help of belarus

, there are constant provocations on the territory of ukraine on the part of the border guards of the lukashenko regime and on the part of the military today, russia is present at about 20 training grounds in belarus occupied by the russian troops, many are occupied. i mean that they are trained there, therefore, in the presence of the troops, the intelligence of ukraine and the ministry of ukraine constantly emphasize that they are monitoring the situation very carefully, and the reason is that there will be some kind of mass invasion. no, this is correct, probably the fact that it is possible to commit dangerous provocations in small groups or in sufficiently large groups, this is also clear to everyone, so i believe that such information and such statements should be taken seriously ukrainian intelligence, which warns,