[000:00:00;00] for someone like trump, it is now key to concentrate on establishing dialogue mechanisms with the republican wing of the american establishment, and first of all with the part that will be targeted by the landing party , the government here cannot do this, because we are changing now, the key partner is biden, and biden takes the ukrainian map as a basis in order for the democrats to be able to re-enter the oval office, but there is opposition, there are affiliated services and structures and actors, that is, subjects who can do it. and here it would be worthwhile for ukrainian politicians to show wisdom and to diversify our representation in american politics, because if we focus on only one camp, then we may miss the moment when we can correct the position of desantas through his sponsors and through this core, which in fact

is being washed by trump all the time, and it turns out that there is an adequate majority among republicans , but it is quiet and there is an inadequate minority and it is very noisy, which supports trump, but well , literally for a minute we are left , they tell me that it is not left, but i will allow myself and very briefly we discuss our lovely article published by valery pekar, a well-known ukrainian intellectual, who gave a very gloomy forecast, as he said: not pessimistic. and as he said, an inertial forecast. which means that if we do nothing to prevent this from happening, it will happen and this a gloomy forecast where ukraine wins the war but actually ceases to be ukraine, that is, it becomes some kind of appendage there, i don’t know the chinese kleptocracy and local corrupt people who lose, well , that is, civil society loses

emasculated, exhausted by this war, we get a new cohort of new oligarchs and a kind of canned scoop, how realistic is this forecast for you and is it really worth publishing such a thing that throws a baker at a time when we need optimism, firstly , it should be published, secondly, this article is factual the extract in a journalistic, somewhat simplified form, but of the expert discussion that has been going on for a good six months , and the baker himself notes in the article that a number of his colleagues, political scientists, etc. , use this thesis, and it can be said that i for about six months i have been talking about the fact that after winning the war it is important not to lose the peace, this discussion continues and it is the third one about the scenario itself, the inertial scenario is bad because it is always bad, and it is good because it never comes true in its pure form, even if you do nothing if you don't do anything, the situation will still change to a certain extent. but doing nothing at all will not work at all, therefore, for us, this is actually a bottom from which we must

push back and understand that all these risks are listed, they exist and must not be allowed to happen. so that even though most of them do not dominate even though it is by itself exactly such condensed colors of the scenario in its pure form it will not exist and that is exactly what alarmism is all about us more attractive, more profitable, and to go there sometimes ukrainians are afraid to voice their problems out loud, because it seems to them that when they talk about problems out loud , the problem will appear, but in fact the problem is already there, and when to talk about it, that's exactly when you can to find some ways to solve it. thank you, mr. olezh, for the conversation, we are correcting the title, so to speak, oleg sakyan, a political scientist and the head of the platform, the only coordination center was

with us, and now we will move to georgia, in which it turns out, well, at least that's how russian propagandists claim that all these protests on they are not georgians participating in them, you are georgians, a small village, in fact, these are brought ukrainians, not me, it was invented by russian propaganda, let's see. well , then let's talk with a georgian woman in georgian a journalist, what does she think about it? is nina kheladze, a georgian journalist , with us? mrs. nina, can you hear us? well , i don't know what language we speak here. i think that we speak russian and russian. we speak russian for starters. i would like to offer you a video to watch from georgia, too, some georgian woman is commenting and talking about the fact that they say there are not so many georgians, but they brought a lot of ukrainians. they are shaking

the situation in georgia and want to overthrow the government . let's see because what you see in the picture these are real ukrainians, this is part of a very small part of students. these are the same ukrainians who came to georgia in large numbers, who want to overthrow the government here together with the georgian nazis, and you know that in 2014, the ukrainians took in saakashvili, who was persecuted and who is currently in prison with us , he must remain in prison for a long time, it was they who allowed him to work for the big position of the governor of odessa. and still they reserved the right that we have some kind of diplomatic relations with ukraine. ukraine has shown us that it is

a completely hostile state that works against georgia. now, on the face of it, a request to overthrow the government will not work . realistically, it is somewhere between 20-25 non-governmental organizations, you yourself know what kind of organizations have worked similarly in russia in russia, and you know what they are doing , mainly subversion, mainly lgbt topics , mainly everything that is so foreign to crimea , christianity, peace, and the same it happens naturally in georgia and because what you will see in the picture is real , this is such a stream of consciousness, this georgian woman is some kind of representative of power, a political scientist , who is she? good afternoon. once again, i greet all your viewers. glory to ukraine . glory to the heroes. in this regard, unfortunately, i did not see the face of the video myself, but

i heard the voice and heard the whole narrative of russia's lies, which we have been hearing for several years. psychological information operations of russia, that's all. we already know in the compote a long, long time ago, and the only thing is that what kind of reaction can you have to this, it's all just ridiculous, so it's not serious anymore, and so no one believes it anymore, because the manipulation of religious emotions is sorry, but already in my opinion

, it does not work especially if we are talking about students who today deserve the great admiration of the georgian people. we stood there, i also stood there, my neighbors stood there, my colleagues stood there, and the whole of georgia stood there. according to various estimates, there were about 5-10 thousand people who, without any political or party motivation, came to defend our foreign course, which we took centuries, centuries earlier than it appeared propagandistskaya, that's probably it, and this propaganda narrative, too. i would say that this protest is already. the second day, intensively pro-russian bots actively try to expose, i will try to expose, that is, it is not

an exposure, of course, and they show what it really is. he turns out to be really nice to them, it's not true, and it's just that mrs. the enmity of the people is nothing more, mrs. nina. you know that i, with some note of regret, should note that yes , unfortunately, it is early. we have not yet organized a huge coup in large countries. added some plausibility, this is a lie, this is the presence of a large number of ukrainian flags, and even

, for example, the non-ukrainian flag was also included in the march of the armed forces of ukraine, that is, the ukrainian theme was present at these protests explain why the ukrainian theme is present in the protests, you know, because we consider the whole process in a single context, first of all, we identify ourselves as the brotherly people of ukraine, despite the fact that how our government is currently conducting itself, and why the people themselves are at war from the first place since 2014, even earlier he identified himself as a brotherly people of ukraine and that only one faithful russia is ours, our brotherly country, or so on, it absolutely does not work, on the contrary, we georgians

think that we are brotherly peoples ukraine and we have nothing in common in russia for a long, long time. we don’t remember anything good about the shock, the soldiers, the occupation, the murders, and so on. that is the very fact that we consider ourselves together with you in a single context. he is very active, he is active , of course. based on the fact that the war is in ukraine, many of our georgians are fighting there, and we thank them for this, because they are protecting their families with it, and we believe in it. let's consider years as an associated trio of the eastern partnership, therefore, ukraine, moldova and georgia, and the processes in these countries in our country are considered in the civil society in the only context, the fact that the actions actually spoke of the georgians who

are fighting against russia on the territory of ukraine certainly gave some ground to some interested propagandists to this is all to use but let them use it because it's the truth but it's the good truth and they eat it themselves and repeatedly emphasizing that we are fighting for friend friend and for independence from russia and this war ideologically certainly concerns us and that probably because the government yes very actively uses that there is a risk of opening the second front and intimidates its population with this proposal unfortunately it works but not against everyone we are already at the actions for several дней бесплатнаяем нализируем what is this new generation that does not lend itself to easy influence , that is, if they say that ukraine

somehow influenced this process, you are nobody, you simply will not believe because it is real reality we saw people who stood motionless under the huge heat of the water and held the flag of the european union in their hands, despite the fact that they were constantly being attacked and there were constant attacks with tear gas and the huge heat of the water stood, i don't know, i didn't have the right number of robocops, what do we call them and people simply risked their health . if you listen to us now, pro-russian propagandists, think about it. well, this narrative has exhausted itself a long, long time ago. if you want to influence the audience, try to be more

creative. incidentally, about russian propagandists, margarita simonyan, you probably saw what she wrote now about georgia, but there she also remembered ukraine. tbilisi does not have a kiev-pechersk lavra, therefore , georgians, please be careful, we do not treat kiev so harshly, but we can, oh, i don't know how much i can now answer margarita simonyan, but again, these manipulation of religion manipulation of orthodoxy and the kiev-pechersk lavra yes, we don't have the kiev-pechersk lavra, but we have one, we have a huge history of christianity, and we love this history very, very much, just probably russia let it think about its orthodox churches and its orthodox faith to what extent she is truly orthodox because there is a long-standing opinion that

there is simply no orthodoxy there, there is only political ideology left in the church anymore there is nothing there nino and tell me, here are the russians who came to georgia after being in russia they announced this mobilization and they ran somewhere , they filed a summons with russia and they will accuse me. they got used to it

, yes, they took their suitcases and already rushed back to russia to what extent is this a mass phenomenon? they want this russian world to be imposed on them, see this category, it should probably be divided into several parts , that is, after the war, a large number of russians came to georgia, including artists , including journalists, including we are the people who, analyzing the situation, decided that we should not stay there anymore stand but then there was even a second wave after the mobilization, who simply became afraid that they would not be taken to the war, i have very close relations with some expats who are currently in georgia feels much safer than in russia, and probably this is reasonable because what is happening in russia at the moment is certainly not comparable to our country, and we will not tolerate the fact that some

russians have decided to return to their families. they will feel safe. let them return, but they should think about how safe it will be for them after they ran away, or that they are similar to deserters. and now they are returning to their homeland, which continues such a terrible war, and where mobilization can happen again. there are many russians who have settled in . there are many russians who have already registered and are doing their own business. and they asked, do you know that russia has occupied our territories

and more than 20% of our territories are occupied by your country, and most of them told us that they had not heard about it and that it is politics they can't touch, they touch, and so on. of course, this approach is stupid. you can directly say that because you are going to a country, i am looking for peace and peace, and this country is the one that lost a tenth of tens of hundreds of young people. i sing with your country. this should be known. but if they they decided to return while it is not of such an intensive character. but if they decided to return welcome, let the words of the oun anthem be returned for those russians, or in the armed forces of ukraine it is two in one if they are not frightened by such words that were sounded

also the melody that sounded in tbilisi leads us to the battle of the fallen fighters. glory to us is the highest law and order. the catholic ukrainian state is free and strong from the tisza to the caucasus. thank you, nina, in the end, i would like to offer to listen

to a little bit of how the georgians are protesting . tries to absorb everyone and like metastases tries to penetrate, we help our georgian brothers as they help us, thank all those georgians who are now fighting and defending the independence of ukraine on the ukrainian front well, let's continue our broadcast further ihor cossack, a retired officer of the canadian armed forces and also a participant nato missions in afghanistan and one of the leaders of the ukrainian diaspora in canada joins us mr. igor good day to you good day congratulations , you know the last name matches yours and your position and everything what have you been doing now canada she will continue to train the ukrainian military until the end of 2023, how many ukrainian military already do you know how long these trainings take place and what exactly

canada trains the ukrainian military, yes, the training mission of canada began for the armed forces of ukraine and the national guard began in 2015 and it is called operation unifire and this mission is from 2015 trained more than 35,000 ukrainian military personnel and we see how effectively ukrainian military personnel are using these skills acquired during training now during hostilities in the east defending ukraine, the training is quite large-scale, there is individual training, collective training. now it is only expanding, for example, when canada recently agreed to provide ukraine with leopard 2 tanks as part of the western coalition of

tanks leopard 2, where the ukrainian military is preparing to push these powerful weapons as quickly as possible, new tanks on the battlefield, we see that the prime minister of canada announced two days ago that the training will also be continued in poland for ukrainian sappers for military engineers and additional training for military medics will be added, we generally consider those in the west here in canada who lobby for the interests of ukraine, in particular military aid , we believe that canada can do much more regarding the training of the ukrainian military , because canada one of the countries although it does not have the largest and most powerful army or military-industrial complex, it also specializes in the training of military personnel in various countries of the world on a fairly professional basis

levels. we believe that it is possible to significantly expand this training at the specialized level as well as at the collective level of the battalion level, but ukraine should definitely invite the official expansion of this mission . i am sure that canada will go to the meeting. had a not very good experience of using them, the military contingent in afghanistan, what do we need to know about these tanks, how useful can they be, well, look, there are two types of tanks of leopards, leopard dan leopard 2, it is obvious that leopard 1 is a much older modification, combat, they are larger, they are more modernized , better armed, faster, they have a better protection system, but still, if you compare leopard tanks or leopard 2 with

russian weapons, it is not comparable to leopard tanks 2 and leopard one exceed the capabilities of any russian tanks , including their latest t-90. canada transfers only electricity to ukraine. technical details, as i said, intensive training is currently taking place in poland and all these tactical nuances and technical nuances are being considered, but in any case, i believe that the provision of any western leopard tanks dan leopard 2 british challengers american abrams is a step in the right direction we we are now lobbying here in the west to provide as many of those tanks as possible, because they will be able to significantly strengthen the combat capability of the armed forces of ukraine and speed up the victory in your opinion, but now there

is a lot of talk about this big counteroffensive of ukraine, which is expected either in the zaporizhzhia region or in other regions, and this creates a great pressure of expectations of this onslaught, there were very similar conversations, i remember it well before the liberation of kherson, when they talked for a long time about the fact that ukraine should liberate kherson , if this does not happen, then this will undermine, let's say, the western coalition and the belief that ukraine will be able to end this war on its own terms and not on the terms of a compromise, a dirty compromise with russia. what do you think about this , is the success of this really so important and critical look at the upcoming offensive, there are now a lot of conversations both at the political level and in social networks among ukrainians and non-ukrainians around the world, if you read even many posts, many comments by so-called experts, it seems to me that the majority do not know better than general zaluzhny and his

team to carry out this counteroffensive and when it should begin i know that there are now conversations at a secret level, obviously between the western partners of all directions and the armed forces of ukraine and the office of the president with ukrainian intelligence about the best way to approach this, especially and it is obvious that all this information will not be covered in the mass media, even more so in social networks. if such a direction does not take place or there is no success, then the western coalition will stop supporting ukraine. this is more in line with russian propaganda, where they constantly make such accusations in the west that the west will stop supporting ukraine, we see now in washington and in ottawa and already even in berlin and in paris and in brussels that

the west is determined that ukraine should win in this struggle and that ukraine needs to increase military aid and this is now the aid is constantly increasing we are now on the agenda when minister reznikova says that the first priority is modern air defense systems , the second is a large amount of ammunition, we see that training on the patriot systems in america is now being completed and in the near future patriots will already be of ukraine, plus additional other systems such as canada bought from the united states for ukraine, although there are no air defense systems, when we talk about ammunition, we see that all countries in the west are now increasing the production of ammunition several times in order to provide them to ukraine, we see supplies tanks, we see the supply of long-range artillery, and we are now talking about even planes, many target fighters, we know

that already now in the united states there are several ukrainian pilots in america who are undergoing testing and it is being determined how to properly approach the training of ukrainian pilots and technical personnel, what exactly is needed in order for these children to enter ukraine as soon as possible, so what about the counteroffensive ? will support ukraine regardless of any tactical actions of the armed forces of ukraine of the defense forces of ukraine on the battlefield ihor cossack weapons officer to canada in retirement we also thank canada for that what is helping us ukraine now at the end of this hour we wish you all went well everything went great mr. igor next we will have an interview on our air in which you

will learn about the scale of russian cynicism about the fearlessness of ukrainian sappers against stretch marks under the bed of explosives in children's toys anti-tank mines on farmland actually tens of thousands of surprises from the russian mir on a thousand hectares of our land sappers told the espresso film crew how the occupiers mine all-ukrainian for what are able to reach and mine so much that ukraine has already become the most mined state in the world, in fact, now the conversation is for your attention, a conversation with the sappers who are ridding our land of this russian scum. the fsb, because it can be seen from the demining, demining is quite difficult , practically 70-80% of the mines are recycled. so

they cannot be removed, they are made alive on us sappers, they have to be neutralized all on retreating from the entire settlement, they destroyed all the power lines, residential buildings and all the approaches, because from that side, because from that side , our troops entered, the difficulty is great because when accompanying the electricians' brigades , during the restoration of the power lines, there is a lot of engineering ammunition, especially anti-personnel mines, prohibitions are prohibited for everything to the civilized world for use and , unfortunately, all the fields. and here, almost thousands of hectares are mined for such mines that cannot be removed and that must be neutralized directly on the place is a rather difficult job, which is complicated firstly by the large vegetation and secondly by the large presence of mines, because the disposal of each mine takes a lot of time and everyone approaches each individually because there is potentially something under it that was mined in order to knock