[000:00:00;00] further and the like. do you believe in the possibility of such reforms of the russian army? that is, why, what should the world count on, or can it happen that in 5 years, in 10 years , the russian army will change and become so modern and correct that scientists will work on new weapons there and will quickly come up with this and that and that and what else you say, i understand that today the world, the civilized world , is very well aware of the weight of the word and understands that in order to denazify this people who call themselves the russian people, we it will be necessary to work and work enough so that they no longer have the opportunity to poison either their own population or the surrounding world with propaganda, and because of that i am absolutely sure that the civilized world will concentrate on this after our victory, just as we will concentrate so that

you know never again, based on we understand that it will be necessary to work , including not only in the actual disarmament and denuclearization of russia, as it is currently being said, but also that the goebbels in russia never have the opportunity to manage the process. thank you ivan varchenko, national security expert thank you, mr. ivan, i will just take 20 seconds ahead of us, we have diplomatic talks with valeriy chalam, the ambassador of ukraine to the usa from 15 to 19 years old, and i am just starting to think. understand what's there what's there what does putin want from there artemiv is named after the hero of the 17th year revolution artem, and artem's son artem died by the way, not to my shame, i don't

remember under what circumstances stalin adopted artem's son, he had his own sons and was this is artem's adopted son, maybe somehow putin wants to restore artemivsk, instead of the beautiful ukrainian bachmouth, to pay homage to stalin. by the way, i don't rule out such things, because i definitely understand that putin loves stalin, you can't do anything here, but you can't do anything about international politics valery chaliy, ambassador of ukraine to the united states states from the 15th to the 19th years in contact with us, we already see him . thank you for finding time on saturday, mr. valeriy. the first question is about china. the people's republic of china. well, it is expected that xi jinping became

the head of the people's republic of china. this is what this indicates. it definitely shows a change in the long-term policy of the people's republic of china and the communist party of china. this third term, but it strengthens authoritarian tendencies, weakens or does not change anything . well, there was xi jinping. the world understands who he is for the previous 10 years. his rule and the third term will not change anything. can we think that something will change, please, mr. valery, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes , i think they have answered. we connect it precisely with the reaction to the russian-ukrainian war, it is the most revealing because we

finally began to pay attention to somehow read chinese speeches and think what is being said between the lines, well, this has not been observed for a long time, obviously china now has its role and it has declared it its own new positions on internal development are not good, unfortunately, not for the world, not for china, in my opinion, in my opinion, maybe the chinese think otherwise, you see, they all vote together, not a single abstention , and in china, where in seven-mile steps in a bright future, only they forgot what created these conditions, and you have a bright future for them, if the west did not allow them to trade and develop normally, did not create conditions under which they wanted to have peaceful relations with china and

gave chips, let them steal new technologies, in fact, a lot of stolen technologies , then china would did not reach today, that's why, unfortunately, china did not break this global world - this is not a world where you can take only for yourself and not give anything in return, that is why i think that the next decades - this will really be a period, i would so said the containment of china if china was not able to make the right decisions within itself that gave it this huge economic boost and now everything is spinning in my opinion, you will see where the chinese billionaires are now hiding who created a new image of china , therefore nothing good in the development of china, unfortunately , i do not see yes, by the way, i want to say that i regularly well, not so often, but regularly read minzhibao and xinhua, it is in russian

, that's all, but the question about europe, then sino-european relations is obvious that sino-american relations are complicated and america wants to do something with china, to somehow make it clear that they will not get anything easily , but europe prevents them from joining europe. china's trade balance is quite large. will the european union want to stand next to the united states in opposing china as a global as a global well, i would say that anxiety may not be danger, but global anxiety is all already understand that china is not so simple and events show that after china very prudently slow we see a shower very fast in hong kong events we see calls about formosa

about taiwan and so on and so on and so on we see all this but europe where is europe where is the role of europe today, if we had talked about it there two years ago, the answers would have been different, then there really were many voices in europe in order to have some kind of separate line , including in the field of security and defense, this may surprise someone, but the european union the internal structures essentially duplicate those of nato in many respects. well, moreover, they created the western european union, where they wanted to unite european military power in europe, as a result, although this is a euro-atlantic rivalry, it is possible to compete when , well, it is now a partnership, it has always existed, but with the beginning of the russian war against ukraine everything has changed dramatically, now imagine

a european union that will not support the leadership of the united states in countering the destruction of the world order, i do not see this, that is, the consolidated position of the united states and the eu will remain in the future and how no one would like to trade either with russia or with china, but security issues will be decisive now, security issues will be decisive, not trade issues, the world has changed and therefore europe itself will not pull even well, let's say the 175 billion that the white house has now invited to congress for next year the purchase of missiles , which, well, in plain text, that is, preparations are underway for deterrence of both missiles and aircraft , including ship systems, that is, a lot of things are aimed at countermeasures and rivalry in

the asian region. i actually thought in general a few years ago that the events of such a global redistribution and conflict would be there, that is, in the region where there are nuclear india and pakistan, where there is nuclear china , north korea, but in addition, there is a serious build-up of conventional forces, but you see. such neighbors. well, as a result, we got a war in the center of europe, so the tension will be there because russia is a temporary phenomenon, all their convulsions will end, of course, and then the rivalry of the great centers of power there will enter the arena, well, with the leadership of the usa and china how to put it so simplistically. but it will not be so clear-cut because the european union will obviously have its own nuances in relations

. but now it is difficult for me to imagine how it is possible to separate the issues of economy, energy , trade from security, so i still think that for the next few years at least the whole world will to live in anticipation of whether china will go on the offensive and it is already starting to do it, he sat for a long time but now i think it is obvious that the rhetoric has changed and we will see a lot of dangerous statements from china. okay, but mr. valery, on the other hand, the force is common the euro-atlantic

, i.e. europe and north america, so far outweighs the chinese power in terms of economy and military power, etc. i understand that it is not the military . at least i hope so, but it’s just hard for me to imagine that it will slow down the development of the chinese economy and in general all chinese plans may fail . i’m sorry if they start even small restrictions on trade with europe and the united states, we can also add australia and new zealand and canada, then all of this together would make impossible the rapid growth of the economy, which is usual for the chinese there , and so on and so on. for the economy and therefore for the military affairs , china followed the development of events and

continued to do so until recently , expecting the weakening of its competitor in the usa , well, they perceive everything because of anti-americanism, but they have temarconism - this it's just that the state ideology became the first place, this was not the case before, and in principle, i myself wrote articles for their publications, they liked it very much, but they really asked me to add at least a couple of words that america is bad. well, it was funny to me , i'm just saying. well, in general, the article is completely suitable. add two words and i say no, listen. this is not serious . you are simplifying the situation. in general, this is their achilles heel. they somehow decided that only the population and volumes decide the next development and competition. they already

believed that china is not the first, but not the second , that it is already the first place globally, everything is close here, it was close and it is still there if china thinks of itself as a big country because a big country cannot say that ukrainians are dying there because the conflict is artificial there and ukraine-russia, let them decide this is a big country that should influence the world to be protected, they are not doing it, this means for me that they are not ready to claim such a role, and the united states , the european union have recently been weaker, russia's war against ukraine is now the challenge of how nato will emerge from this challenge, the renewed european union and the atlantic and china and the countries that will be closer to it , we will see, but it is this challenge that he will bring out or let us say, let us answer

the question of whether china's ambitions in the new conditions are realistic because there are still p' five years ago, they said so. and now i am not sure, because if the law was passed by biden, well, biden was initiated by the president of the united states, but in the united states it was accepted by chips , which means that it is about controlling the provision of these microchips to the chinese, then holland is supported where there is serious production. well, you know 90% in china - this is taiwan, the production of chips, yes, they do not control taiwan, that is, japan, right now. as far as i know, there is no statement yet, but there will be a decision on microchips in the next few days, as soon as this technology is closed to the chinese, then their the famous thing will be the first in the world to move away for decades, and not as everyone expected already in 2030, so i think that china has reached such a limit where they really fed the poor part of the people, which was still 73%, even 20 years

ago, with rice and meat as it was put to the party in the documents, this is the goal, but when they reached this level, now they don’t know what to do next , how they don’t know. they went down the wrong path because china is behind in the human development index . it cannot be the last question, yes, i will say this for the audience, based on the number of cars per thousand families, ukraine is richer than china. well, so that people understand that they really have a large gdp, but if you calculate this gdp into the real wealth of every family of every chinese, then ukrainians are definitely chinese in shanghainese live better than ukrainians in kyiv, but the average chinese lives worse than the average ukrainian, and the last question is yes or no

, do you believe that china will attack taiwan or not? well, i will not say yes or no, i will say that their intentions are taiwan conquer i wonder what means they haven't held elections yet. thank you, valery chaly, a diplomat, the ambassador of ukraine to the united states for 15-19 years. i really liked the story that the chinese asked his deputies for an article, and he wrote an article, but in the article it was necessary to say that america is bad it sounds especially good from the ambassador of ukraine to the usa well, let's go further. now, from the far east to the neighboring country to the north of ukraine, there is a country called belarus, and in belarus there is lukashenko, the so-called president, and there is also an opposition that is definitely not in belarus, but somewhere behind borders where we do not know and we may and do not need to know oleksandr zarov

, the founder of the initiative of the belarusian security forces against lukashenka, he will be in touch with us now , and good health, mr. oleksandr, i forgot, you and i talked recently, i forgot you you understand ukrainian, i understand, of course, look and what is the cause, what does it mean now mr. lukashenko says it was not the sbu that blew up this plane and these are migrants from the republic of belarus , after all, a subtle hint at you and your colleagues and what caused this, why suddenly in one week it was the sbu and we have already arrested everyone and now no we, well, they certainly do not know if they make a mistake, they will release those whom they arrested, but now they say no, after all, these are our belarusians who

went outside the borders of belarus and from where they are directing the attacks on the belarusian resort where there are planes, russian planes, please, mr. oleksandr well, i think that he first said that it was the sbu and he did not think carefully and blurted out, as they say, well, for nothing, because i agree with his slowness before, he should refuse at the same moment as he said, just try he will do anything to the belarusians, we will answer at the same moment at the same second, but here he did not do anything, he did not refuse the ukrainians, which means that this is how the ion looked at white, well, for the belarusians, as well as for the russians, in such an unflattering way. that's it

that's why i think that they've already set out to show that it's still belarusians who fled to the country, belarusian partisans, don't be so ashamed, listen to a very interesting question, it's just an imagination, because we don't know it, ani ve ani i but no one knows , and we can only pray let's imagine the successes of the ukrainian army there, we can't even imagine , we know what happened near kyiv and near kharkiv and in kherson, we can imagine what mr. lukashenko will change his clothes and what he will start talking about elections until the 20th year. in the summer, i remember listening to it myself that the russians were bad, the russians put pressure on belarus, forced them to join forces or some processes, and this all changed starting from

the ninth of august, that is, during the beginning of the revolution or attempted revolution and even then the russians have become beautiful and wonderful again, but now he is a cunning man. he is not a simple man, and here i am. i imagine that the ukrainians are starting to pressure the russians, they seize the initiative, and suddenly a picture appears in his head that russia has lost. okay, even so russia did not win and something must be done. we must again be friends with the poles, with the lithuanians, with the ukrainians, with the europeans . what do you say? maybe i will say that this is the essence of lukashenko . when the ukrainians stop the offensive and chase the russians from the territory of ukraine, then lukashenko can say that i am for everything. i was a ukrainian of some kind, you know, i still have my crown there in ukraine, and everywhere i was in your baku and

can help us ukrainians, that’s when the ukrainians went for the first time before, you went for the first time to attack and captured kherson and liberated kherson, i know that chaos began in the belarusian security forces, people began to collect their belongings when they wanted to flee to russia, they began to choose such people. we all hope for the freedom of belarus and the victory of ukraine, but where can lukashenka run to? well, because i always said that putin's situation is much better . it is difficult to fight with a nuclear state, no one will dare

, so putin can sit inside for now something won't happen but lukashenka. okay, if putin is not there. well, is he in china or does he have, well, in fact, china, iran ? well, that's the end. well, maybe venezuela, maybe he is zimbabwe, venezuela . well, in short, there are very few countries where his millions will not be stolen, because i understand that in zimbabwe he can go to the central african republic or somewhere there very trayu but i'm afraid that in 30 minutes there he won't have any money because these gangster groups there, especially in eritrea, they didn't come such a fat cat with millions aha all your pitchfork has become ours because what can he count on or is he simply completely attached to putin and the death of putin means the automatic death of lukashenka i do not think that

he will go to putin in russia because in russia it will be the same as with yanukovych and they will put him somewhere on a dacha and he will live there until the end until death, all the money is taken and everything and he will not want such a life and the worst of all. i used to think that he could go to the arab emirates and he would go, but i think that and it will not go to the arab era because the arabs themselves are not will want to know how they had such dictators who are under sanctions. or maybe even at that moment he will still be on the international wanted list, here you can only talk about china and africa in the same way. well, you yourself have already said that they will take him to china and shelter him.

he may stay there, and then the question arises of the fate of his entourage, his people, the people of lukashenka, these ministers, deputy ministers, all of me, i do not know whether there are oligarchs in my understanding, or whether there are oligarchs in belarus. well, in short, people who are close to this are quite a large number there are some people there district committees, apcoms, he has everything like in the soviet union, the huge kgb, the police, it’s not just one dozen thousand people, what will these people do ? well, china won’t accept 40,000 or there will be 100,000 refugees in 10 million belarus, you know, and there won’t be enough planes, what will they do , lukashenko i don't think about them, it's about the business itself, and ion only thinks about himself. when he runs away, he might even take his family . and the ministers will hide and everything is about it. well , there are no oligarchs in belarus, there are only

pocket-sized oligarchs, they are small i will looking for rotation as they themselves will find it well, i think that this is russia, first of all, no one else will take them, here they are. they think that only in russia and that's all. if there is no putin in russia, the belarusians will find them in russia , well, that is, i'm talking about the risks, they just they are really risking their lives, this is not a joke, considering that lukashenko signed the law on the death penalty against officials and generals, and if lukashenko is not in that place, someone else will be and the law does not change in one day, these are all people under firing squad, these are people who are specifically him signed not only his enemies today, but also those people who serve

him and will be in prison tomorrow, and they are all traitors to democratic belarus, and they have the prospect of being shot, they will simply be tried according to the same laws that i did not come up with for myself well, it’s full and of course they don’t really understand me now, i don’t think about it. no, but he won’t understand it, i say it. well, very often , first of all, you will be judged according to your own laws, because change the legislation, it’s a long process, when it’s отбудется well, it's not me i think in more detail, and the belarusians will come back abroad and judge them according to their own laws. that's how it will go. when there is an uprising, a coup, a revolution in russia, then russia will not

take them. they are talking to us, why is lukashenko now going to tehran? do you think he is flying? well, he was in the people 's republic of china. he is now. well, in kyiv, in lviv, in ukraine, they say that he became such a minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation that he went to china to ask for russia's weapons are now going to tehran, iran to ask for weapons for russia too, because putin is afraid to fly, afraid to travel around the world , afraid that someone will beat him there, and he sends lukashenka, as the minister, half of foreign affairs and half of defense. i don't know why he is like that visits why so often no, i don’t think that he goes on business for putin’s business, and putin can rule even his close ones in russia, they lukashenko

actually hate the same putin, and putin really hates lukashenko, because i don’t well, i don't mean forced as forced friends. in fact, they hate each other, and that's why lukashenko is traveling. i think that he is only on belarusian affairs, and he is now looking for markets for the beaten belarus of belarusian production . he cannot sell anything to russia, but he started selling there from russia. china got involved and china began to take over the markets, because china is a better product than belorusskaya, and he is already traveling to other countries where he can be accepted by normal countries .

to offer belarus what is there in belarus that produces such valuable belarus belarusian factories because we know that he always built the ussr, the soviet union, i.e. modernization well , as far as i understand. holland or britain or america produces cool tractors or belazas, the famous huge trucks and so on and so on and so on. what can be interesting , let's say in iran what it can offer to the iranians, well, belarus can only have kalyny fertilizer is the first and the same. well, as you said, belarusian tractors, various construction equipment. in fact, we have huge factories in belarus and a lot of this equipment is produced, which cannot be sold anywhere, and it is standing in

belarus there, well, there are hectares of tractors lined up on the street and so on. here and well, this is lukashenko and he wants to sell it. they will buy it at an unknown price, because my friends once told me that when i was not working in embassies abroad and they were forced to sell belarusian tractors, they were ashamed in front of those foreigners, and they repair the tractor, because it is actually not that good, but it is very ancient, it does not work with american, german or other tractors for sale in the price, that's why alya lukashenko. well, he will stop him , another animal will do it, and he is all slaves, and now he will do it and drive. thank you very much , oleksandr, now the founder of the initiative of the belarusian security forces against lukashenko was with