[000:00:00;00] our soldiers we need the lives of our soldiers and russia needs bakhmut a little different approach just different civilizational values ​​we protect our people they are not well then why not thank our guests military experts mikhail prytuli and hryhoriy tamaru retired military historians of the israel defense forces thank you thank you hryhoriy we of course we see that now the situation is not easy at the front and we see that all this is concentrated around bakhmut, but there is also a front of western support , but recently the director of the center said that vladimir putin is setting himself a goal a long-term war not only in order to exhaust ukraine

, because the west refused to support ukraine, but as far as possible, we will now ask igor eisenberg , congratulations, mr. igor, and to raisberg, professor of the junior university, congratulations, mr. igor , congratulations, mr. vitaly, mrs. angelica, greetings to all the viewers espresso so, the president of the united states spoke with the head of the european commission before that he spoke with the federal chancellor of germany what do you think, mr. ihora , in principle, there could be a situation in that measure from this war and how can it be in this, in what can it be expressed, for today, fortunately, i do not see that there is fatigue, at least you know the leaders of the leading western countries in the united states, great britain, germany , france, on the contrary, i saw that well, we can add here the leaders of the european union, ursula fonderlein and you just mentioned it, because if we look at what they talked about when chancellor scholz came to see president biden

, there was also a phone conversation with macron , even official messages in absolutely it is clearly visible that they have a unanimous position that it is necessary to support ukraine until its victory, this is also evident from other things. look at chancellor scholz when he was in america. a week ago, he gave an interview to farid zakaria from the cnn tv channel . and fared zakaria, well, he is a well-known journalist. a few days before that, he wrote an article in the washington post column. well, he expressed the opinion that it is possible to somehow end the war, go to negotiations and agree on something in order for there to be peace, that,

of course, ukraine must be supported, but but the west can get tired and farid zakaria just asked chancellor scholz if he shares such an opinion that quite in such i would say, well, even in sharp expressions he objects to him he said no, what does it mean to stop the war to stop the war it means that if ukraine stops fighting, it simply does not will be ukraine, therefore, the war can be stopped only on the conditions when the charter of the united nations organization will be fulfilled, that is, when ukrainian sovereignty will be respected, he said it quite harshly, and i also want to draw your attention, viewers, to the speech of the minister of defense austin of the united states in israel the day before yesterday he was on a visit to israel, he attended a press conference with the israeli minister of defense and he addressed israel but at the same time addressed other democratic countries he said that the time has come when all the democracies of the world must decide for themselves where where they should support

ukraine in its struggle for its democracy, its sovereignty called on israel to provide ukraine with not only humanitarian aid well, as he expressed himself there and at the same time he addressed and to other countries, that is, on the part of the leaders of the leading countries, i do not see fatigue in society, of course, there may be different opinions, but you understand, war is war, let's say in america , it is not something that american society lives by, because society lives with its own problems, although war is constantly present in the american information space let's say a lot on such news channels as cnn and leading newspapers, she is present every day and people who are generally interested in news. they know exactly

everything that is happening to mr. igor as a result of the meeting, joseph biden and url fonderlein also focused on economic and political sanctions against the russian federation in order to stop russia from the war in ukraine. however , do our partners and the united states and the european union focus on working to circumvent the sanctions because the russian federation has adapted enough already in this year of a full-scale war, having especially secured the support of iran and china, so they may have different options in order to achieve their goal, whether ours are working on it partners are working so hard on this, i would say even a lot of work lately if you and i look at the list of those against whom sanctions were introduced by the united states just before the anniversary of the full-scale invasion , this list was published by the ministry of

finance, well, on february 24 of this year, plus or minus there is one - two days there. seven pages and more than half of this list is just companies that either help russia circumvent sanctions or that were created specifically to help russia enter sanctions and this is a company from different countries. this company is registered, including in the european union, let's say there , cyprus, bulgaria, austria, this is a company from switzerland, there is a company from the united arab emirates, if you read it, you can see that mostly these companies belong to some people against whom sanctions have also been introduced who, as a rule, have dual citizenship of russia and some other countries , and they register such pseudo-businesses, what exactly is the purpose of helping

russia enter sanctions, this is really being paid attention to even three weeks ago i i read the transcript of the briefing of the deputy secretary of the treasury of the united states on the fight against terrorism. well, who is actually responsible for this section, which is the introduction of sanctions against those who violate american sanctions, and he just said that they are very carefully engaged in this and will continue to engage even more in order to make it impossible for bypassing russia , especially the entry of export control, that is , a ban on russian exports of certain products that can be used for the manufacture of weapons. please tell me, sir

igor, have you followed today's reconciliation between iran and saudi arabia with the help of the people's republic of china, because now this photo of representatives of iran and saudi arabia in the office of the head of the foreign policy sector of the central committee of the communist party of china, a member of the politburo of the central committee of the communist party of china, is on the front pages of all publications and americans , including many, say that this is a serious foreign policy defeat for the united states when saudi arabia and iran are reconciled by china, which shows that it is playing some new special role in the middle east, which he has never played in his life. how will this in general be a sign of the further development of events not only in the middle east region, but also in the world, i agree with you that this is actually a defeat for the united states and the entire western world in that in the sense that china is strengthening, thereby significantly strengthening its influence. well, we do not know how far this agreement will be implemented. well, but the fact is that china is strengthening its influence. well, the united states

has no influence on iran, since it has no relations with iran, and because of this, i think what china took advantage of these that it has relations with iran that are quite close, has relations with saudi arabia, that is, yes, i agree, this is a defeat for the united states and for the western world, a diplomatic defeat and a political defeat because the influence of china is increasing, how is it growing, why is the united states trying to prevent the past week, well, this week is still ending , the american intelligence report on the traditions , the annual report on the security threats to the united states, allies of the united states, was published there, china in the first place is china, russia, iran and north korea, well, in china, there is a lot of attention paid to russia, almost

as much weight in iran and north korea is less , but it is four countries, the modern modern axis of evil , so to speak, and i agree with you that the united states should think again how can they change this trajectory, because if china moves further in terms of strengthening its influence , this is what china is doing right, then it will simply be difficult for the civilized world to avoid this chinese influence, which would be very it's a shame because the increase in chinese influence is the decrease in the influence of the civilized world, the decrease in the influence of democratic countries, you know. i'll just say it again, i always thought that where the west once made concessions to the soviet union, where there was more of the soviet union, there was always less of the western world, yes right now , what is happening with china is about these data that intelligence

has made public regarding the threat from china , will the american initiative to , say, attract the help of the european union to confront china, work then, because with on the one hand, the european union does not want this, because it is beneficial for them from a trade point of view and an economic point of view to cooperate with china, but on the other hand, we now see that even the netherlands has already given up advanced chinese printers, this is one of the precedents . perhaps, after all, this american initiative will work very well i would like it to work because you see china, china is doing very similar things to what russia was doing, that russia was doing these things with energy carriers with oil and gas, she was using them as a political weapon, and china is using them in

in principle, he is also the exporter of a very large number of various goods and not only goods that, say, we buy in stores, he is an exporter of components that are used to produce other products, for example, in this report of american intelligence, i am shocked by this 40% of ingredients that are used in the world for the production of drugs of various medical preparations , they are exported from china, that is, the entire pharmaceutical industry of the whole world is 40% completely dependent on, including ingredients that are produced only in china you know, even this is even worse than, say, oil and gas, because oil and gas can be bought in other places, if there are ingredients that are produced only in china , they are needed in order to make medicine , then the world becomes completely dependent on china, right there in this report there is a warning that it is very

dangerous as well by the way with microcircuits because china is trying to produce almost a fifth of the world production of microcircuits by the 25th year 18% china china already produces almost half of the world production of lithium batteries which are used everywhere and china is doing the same thing. what is it doing that makes whole countries, whole countries, these regions dependent on its exports , that is, it sets political conditions that and if you do something that we don't like , then we will not export these products to you, it is very dangerous therefore, i would very much like the leaders of western europe to have exactly the same common opinion as the united states in this regard, in order to counteract this and so that china could not, through its

economic expansion, have political influence influence such and such what do you see he he he he he develops this political influence today mr. igor i wonder what you think about this low investigation regarding the northern flows and flows and explosions on them and this will continue today today spiegel i investigation was an investigation new york times and here ukrainian politicians and experts say in one voice that ukraine simply would not have the resources for such an explosion and that it is impossible to blow up these gas tanks on a yacht, as most of the investigations tell spiegel even publishes this route of how she swam from one island to another from ryugin, christie will draw it all , it looks like a spy action movie, but for me there is a question that it is really possible to blow up strategic objects like these, in fact, like those with tourists yes, without a small one with less serious equipment, i still have a big question about this. i think that it is certainly

impossible from a tourist yacht or with some big yacht that belongs to someone to blow up strategic objects located on the bottom the sea for this needs to have very expensive equipment and i think that for this it can do such things only at the state level when there are appropriate appropriate i don't know special forces marines who can do it i certainly don't have proof there is no evidence i think what is this injection, this is such a disinformation injection, which, unfortunately , was made in russia and was completely successful, because you know , of course, there are leaks of various information to newspapers, to television, including to american newspapers,

whereas when the government is hiding something and journalists who have relevant connections, let's say with other departments, they can get information , but when at the same time the new york times and several german newspapers literally publish the same thing on the same day with reference to some named sources, that is, it is me this is the impression i still have. is this a throw-in and not a very neatly done throw-in, if one newspaper printed it, well, one would think that the journalists of this newspaper have some kind of connection with someone who provided them with such information when there are many newspapers at once and regardless, allegedly, on one side, this raises the suspicion that it is a throw-in. and by the way, the spokesman of the state department categorically denied the price. well, i am not saying that he denied it. but he categorically refused to confirm what happened . let's wait for the investigation. thank you, mr. igor . igor eisenberg, professor nero of the university was

with us at direct communication and we are moving on to georgia, well, maloshvili, the opposition politician , the founder of the political platform , hamziri, we are in touch. it is now possible to summarize what was happening in tbyla . well, let's just give the main current. why are there laws on agents at all? your government needed them now, and how do you assess this situation with its liquidation after two days of protests? well, the process was actually interesting. because if you look at what is happening on the russian propaganda channels and what kind of hysteria is there and the reviews that came from the ministry of foreign affairs from high-ranking officials and officials i think that it is very easy to understand where this idea came from to adopt

this law, but i think that this is a very big role and why do they need it now? well, there were two options that we thought would have an impact, the first is that in 2024 there will be elections, and by this time the government, which has already taken an authoritarian course, should have done everything so that the opposition channels of joe's alternative sector, so the so-called alternative sector, so-called, he would have to be silent, and for this, in the very best example for in quotes for the georgian government what was the same thing that putin did in 2012, that's why they needed them . this will be repeated, and i think that they didn't count on the fact that there would be such a reaction, and

the reaction here went just right . it's the youth, because the youth is actually in everyone. she should have participated in all the previous actions because there was nihilism, there was distrust of the political class, and young people did not go out on the streets. well, it was periodic, but very little, and what happened in these 3 days was actually the youth who went out on the streets . she simply changed the course of history. and here there was no longer a large participation of opposition parties, there was no participation at all, it seems that the youth went out into the street and said that there will be no law, that there will be no pro-russian course, the georgian government will not take it because these guys do not want the future of georgia and will not allow russian influence in georgia. and in fact, the georgian government, which thought

that it had captured virtually all spheres , be it culture or sports or any other sphere where they bribed or had kompromaty and so on and so on. it turned out that a generation grew up in georgia, which had nothing to do with genera jan z, as we call them. they did not participate in political processes. went out into the streets, made elections and came back, and i think that we were all very surprised because what actually happened on the streets well, here comes another question. well , because on the one hand yes, of course, the youth came she showed her preferences on the street, and on the other hand, it is simply who will these young people rely on, you yourself actually

left the national movement. this is not a secret for you . yes, it is true what is happening with the opposition. could not show young people that we can, that we are stronger than what we are , we could be much stronger, but unfortunately there were different factors, why there was such nihilism, why such an attitude towards politics, and i think that the guys simply decided to take matters into their own hands and return everything to where it should be. politics was the least involved in this . therefore , it was very difficult for the propaganda of the georgian government to blame it again on any political party or any interests, and simply the people of georgia came out in the soul of georgia and said

their word, that 's it, and that's it. as for the political spectrum, i think that it's not easy for us to continue, but when you're dealing with an oligarchy controlled by the kremlin, it's not the easiest thing, but we we continue the struggle. i think that it was very important . how will they affect the population of georgia, how will they react to all of this , i think that it remains to be seen, but nothing good should be expected from these people after all, the president still supported the protesters and the initiative to abolish these

bills, but this was not enough. yes, because her passing of these bills would not have stopped this process. is it so easy to vote again on your legislation ? put it on him in the parliament, the georgian dream would be able to overcome it and pass this law. here was a more symbolic step and the fact that she made the right statements. i think it was also very very important very very an important sign that in georgia, even those political figures who were closely connected with the ruling party are beginning to understand that they are so sharply changing the vector to go against the choice

of the population against what is written in our constitution, this can turn out to be quite serious, and in fact she made the right statement a tell me, how does it turn out that mr. ivanishvili is betting for the second time on people whom he supports in the presidential elections, who then oppose him, ivanishvili needs people who obey him without any resistance, but with the first president, he realized that he was wrong and this man showed that he has both vision and character, and after that, most likely , decisions were required of him, which he simply had to sign, but which were against the interests of the country, he took a rather tough position, the same thing happened with the straw of zurabishvili. but you remember. she herself

even wrote a book in her time , where she said that it was georgia that started the war against russia and she bombed her peaceful population, so there are many sins behind her , and there was a time when she made the right statements, but then she did nothing after that, now, when she remained a historical choice. and she also showed her character and principledness, which probably was also very, very surprising for ivanishula, because he needs complete submission, and this is what is happening now for him, in fact, he he loses he loses he loses power and for him it was a very serious

blow what happened the day before yesterday but i wanted to ask you one more thing about us all of course, this is the fate of those of your compatriots who fight in the ukrainian armed forces and fight for ukraine and now yours i am yours brother, as far as i remember , he is in charge of the georgian national region. there was a moment when the georgian authorities specifically began to act against these guys. she said that she would cancel the nationalities of these guys and take away their passports, but it turned out that after

it is simply impossible to do it according to international law. i think that they had intentions. but somehow it didn't work out . again, here are seven of these guys and the government is doing everything so that they were under control so that there was very serious pressure on them, for me, this is not a novelty since 2014, this continues in our family, therefore, for the sake of the georgian government, the guys who are actually doing what georgia should do, what georgia should do, and stand on the side where today the whole civilized world stands for them, the whole civilized world is unacceptable because, unfortunately, before the start of the war in ukraine, they still kept a western facade or pretended to lead

the country into euro-atlantic structures but already after russia started a war in ukraine, georgia, the georgian government had to show its real face, and they simply could no longer continue the game they were playing until february 2022, and of course, the guys who are now in ukraine are interfering very much and even in during the rallies, the arrests were specific to those people who fought in ukraine. they arrested three, three guys, one by one. still, two were arrested . they let them go. or they brought the guys from ukraine, now they need to find an enemy of the people, you know, to explain what is behind these rallies and so on. well, since they could not blame the opposition party, now they need to find

an alternative alternative alternative enemy, and for them, the guys who are now fighting in ukraine for it is a very big headache for them , they will definitely try to involve them in some kind of intrigue and say that everything was controlled either from ukraine or with forces that want to destabilize and start wanted the second maidan in georgia. and how do the people perceive it because, well, when they didn't follow it, the ruling party says that they are the party of peace, but the opposition is the party of war and is trying to drag georgia into the russian-ukrainian war in this way, but that's how they told us medvedchuk is there before this dream, yes absolutely, but georgians know that russia came to your territory with weapons, it ’s not just you who are observers from the side, of course. and that’s why this is all the propaganda that

the georgian dream has been carrying out for the last 10 years and continued, especially in the last hour, it evaporated in a day, in 2-3 days, and the fact that they tried to stigmatize the guys who are fighting in ukraine as mercenaries . that's all propaganda she she she failed and for them now it has become even more difficult to get out of this situation because they are especially after this bill which had to be brought back based on the fact that we are supporters of peace, that's why we didn't, we decided not to disperse the demonstrators anymore, and we wanted everything to end peacefully, but again, it was an american law about no russian one, but unfortunately, russian