[000:00:00;00] especially in the last hour, it evaporated in a day, in 2-3 days , and what they tried to label guys who are fighting in ukraine as mercenaries, what you, what they wanted to show, that if it is not the georgian dream, we will start a war, i think that this is it that's all propaganda she she she failed and now it has become even more difficult for them to get out of this situation that's why we decided not to disperse the demonstrators anymore and we wanted to end everything peacefully, but again, this was an american law and not a russian one, but unfortunately in russia now, russian

tv channels and propagandists are watering the georgian government like that they and this propaganda are not left and these arguments are not left to somehow get out of this situation . the present real representation of georgia and not the georgian government that simply wanted to surrender the country to the russian empire, but at the same time, can the georgian government retain power in the next parliamentary elections, the most important question is because the protests will pass and the political situation may not change , the society simply may not see alternatives , there is no situation now quite yes, the situation has changed very much now, in fact , because until now, everyone thought that

the georgian government was invincible and it nothing will yield to anyone and no one was able to take no initiative . have greatly changed the history of georgia in 3 days, and i think that during the elections this will also have a very strong impact on the results of the georgian government and the results of the opposition parties, so we must now try very hard to young people will like to show and find and show that there is an alternative, that there is, that there are politicians who will continue on the western path and will not blackmail us with

the interests of the country in order to stay in power at any cost. i think that now the guys look at us with great interest and very and we have a very big task ahead of us, just to show that in georgia there is an alternative to pro-russian power, and the opposition must simply understand that we must unite and fight against pro-russian power together, thank you, but thank you for participating. now pass it on to your brother . hello. when you speak and thank you. yes. thank you . goodbye. yes. the shooting that shook our society, the shooting of a ukrainian prisoner by the russian

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i am saving myself reo reo water for special medical purposes we continue the program on the saturday television channel espresso anzhelika sizonenko and vitaly portnikov, so as promised we will continue the georgian topic mr. vitaly what do you think success because there is a partial success, after all, they withdrew the bills, the fact is that the youth took ordinary people participated and came out, not just the opposition, you understand. i think that in general, this story with the law on foreign agents once again speaks of how similar all authoritarian regimes are to each other. leo tolstoy once wrote a phrase that was very fond of being quoted in all i think literature classes that all happy families are very similar to each other and every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way, but in fact this is not true. these are very russian views, in fact happiness is it is very diverse, not happiness, it is exactly the same, and you can always calculate

how this unhappiness will develop, because for some reason it always follows the same trajectory of happiness, there are many variations, but i thought, by the way, that this law about agents must appear why because recently there were all these speeches against the lgbt community in georgia and where did putin's russian regime begin, where did such creation of internal russian authoritarianism begin, it is not connected there with any external aggressive actions with the war in chechnya. that is when society itself decided to cement the law banning this gay propaganda what, by the way, sometimes during yanukovych's time, we also wanted to do it and then agents appeared , well, if they succeeded, i can assure you, i think well, if they started pedaling this topic although

it is not so important for georgia, it does not overturn anything there, georgian society is quite traditional in its composition, and to say that there you know directly because of some non-doratical relations that required legal decisions and something threatens the georgian orthodox church, no, but the government always knows what can be stirred up in this way passions, so it stirred up, it means we have to go on. well, the agent, here and there, they came out with this agent, and then there was such a thing. i would say the difference between russian and georgian society, because russian society it is politically amorphous, and georgian society - no, that is, it noticed russian society, but it did not notice these decisions that led to the fact that they were deprived of their rights in general, and being stuck in this situation , they realized that something was wrong, ordinary people, not politicians, exclusively acted at the level of the parliament . as a result, the georgian dream once again found itself in an uncomfortable situation where

it was not needed in general, the question arises why did you do it, but a good question arises, but i understand the logic of the russian law on foreign agencies, because russian convinced that if you receive funding from foreign sources, then you are an enemy of the people. imagine that in ukraine someone you know is our organization financed there by the usa or from the funds of the european union. well, it speaks well of the independence of the organization that you do not take money from some oligarch in some official that you are independent from corruption schemes, this is a sign of trust. the quality mark of georgia is the same, but they thought that they would pass this law and then they would appoint inspections and with these inspections they would force the control of the media and public organizations, but taking into account the fact that in georgia no one considers these organizations enemies of the people

and people who work to finance the civilized world, no one considers them enemies , then people simply began to defend their own freedom , and that's how all this happened to them, and that's why they are really on empty a place where they had no real opposition, where they took everything into their own hands , where they have complete financial control, just really, now they have stopped in a situation where their influence may fall, and this, by the way, is the fate of any authoritarian regimes. i think that any people, wherever they are, who want to create authoritarian regimes. you need to look at this scheme, but in russia it does not work, the mentality is different , it is based only on this. the difference is on something else in russia as well as in belarus. by the way

the power is not in the hands of the oligarchs, by and large, but in the hands of the power structures in belarus, it is not as visible as in russia, in russia and the power regime in its purest form, when one fsb officer runs the state and another fsb officer , sorry, runs the church, then i would said an unprecedented regime in the entire history of the world. do you understand that it is generally so strange when some security guards head the main institutions, that is, you know that in restaurants, it is absolutely idiotic in my opinion, we have such a manner of writing and in russia, too, like, please, do not enter with the guards, leave them at the doors of restaurants i believe that this is incredibly disrespectful to people, but it reflects the essence of social interaction, that these are restaurants that people go to and that have a guard behind their shoulders - this is not

an unnecessary attribute, and since then there will be no places in general for people who came without bodyguards, then let the bodyguards eat in another place and not sit and wait . but russia is a country in which bodyguards were allowed into the restaurant and everyone else was expelled, including those whom they guarded and those who did not need their services. russia - this is a restaurant for bodyguards, putin, who was supposed to guard some oligarch, is sitting there, and kirill is sitting here, who was supposed to guard some priest, and they are discussing work for a living. well, that's why , of course, in this situation, russia is certainly different it is definitely a state, but there is no such thing in georgia. there is no such power apparatus in georgia. he never showed his effectiveness even when it might have been necessary, even when people with weapons came and expelled the first president of the restored georgian state with sakhardia viatitis from his office there too it was a strange situation . nevertheless, in that situation

, it is also a mistake to think that the security forces can effectively resist the protest, but the special forces dispersed the people. i understand that this means that the security forces structures under the government and under the management, but they used tear gas to disperse them, but they did not disperse them, and in russia they partially dispersed them at first, but in russia, when they already disperse or in belarus, they disperse you, you understand the dispersion of people, it is not just that you burned them with water and tear gas, it is of course very unpleasant , but it's such a part of things, dispersing people , it's when you and them douse them with tear gas, beat

them with water. you come, you know everyone who left, you persecute everyone, you blackmail the leaders, you force them to leave the country or take them to the forest, that’s how it was in belarus , that’s how effective power structures are. in kyiv and in moscow many times since the 90s, and it's like two two different participants , so i'm like one person, but in kyiv when i came to a protest, i went by myself well, in principle, i'm a journalist and not even a journalist well i go, i talk to people, i see how it happens, then i return home

, i see what is happening in the transport, this is what it is. i would say just work and presence absolutely . bohdan was 1314 years old and berkutki people began to disperse him, at least i knew that i could be safe at home, this turned out to be a mistake because here then yanukovych had already begun to build such a vertical at the expense of bandits . they began to come to our home to from individual participants to journalists to activists. but before that, this had never happened, and by the way, it did not work out. everything was disrupted , they were taken to the courts, and they tried to do so , but it was only one moment in our history when they overturned this situation, so it did not happen again but in moscow since the 90s, i remember that you go to the first rallies, first of all, the entire center is cleared everywhere, the police border, you can only pass through a journalist's card . that is, in fact, you are in the reservation, but back then,

in the 90s, somehow they just watched later putin's time has come, the police instead of the militia and you are already coming, and the first thing you think of is to carefully stand so that you are parallel to this exit to some yard and this yard is like that i remember the exit to the well of the next yard and so you will pass through this next when you will get out of this event and you will go out into the street, where there may be an underground passage to a parallel metro station, where for sure no one will appear yet, and so you can save yourself when the cleanup begins. that is, it will definitely begin if you are a journalist and you have to wait for it. but along with that, you don't have to go there under batons or at all to the police station, especially if you understand that you are there and journalists of someone's

democratic media . the person did not live in moscow, that is, she is actually unarmed because the police say that you won't come out , so what's the problem with them becoming so that they are clearly creating this trap , the rally will end and you won't come out, they will definitely beat you so you need to become like this that you know their borders in this, in the few passages that exist. which they can simply because they themselves can be from the moscow region. i hope that none of us will have to carefully look at the faces of the policemen to choose the place where the policemen from the moscow region will be you see that they are looking around, that for them this is not their duty zone , because my policemen from moscow, they can block any yard and this is such a horror

that you actually what are you doing you only think about the fact that you need to somehow save yourself, yes, how is it? what is this protest? no, it is actually a trap . well, there is a huge difference for you and it is doomed. i remember how these unfortunate people, when they gathered there in honor of this article of the constitution , elderly women, some children had students there 16-17 years old, they just beat them, they beat old people, i just always came to the mayakovska metro station, to the triumphal square, where it was. i just watched it with wide open eyes. there are not many of them with posters, they stood there for 30 minutes and left. why do you need to beat them from where? in other words, in principle, you are not in any danger, you are just showing pluralism. there are some people who speak in support of the fifth article of the constitution. it is clear that this is not

very young people, for the most part, it is clear that these are some kind of children, it is clear that these people are not active participants in political life, they do not influence anything. why do you unite and want to, that's the question. but there is an opportunity to beat someone. and why not beat someone when you can beat them, when there is nothing for it? will be and for me it has always been, you know, i always remember these people, i just like them , imagine that these people who could have been there in the holag , what kind of life experience they went through some prisons, wanted to live in a normal country, here again they came out at least to say that they would like to live in a normal country, then for 80-75 years they beat you in your hometown for nothing, you did not violate the veterans , yes, the difference between russia and georgia is absolutely obvious, and even when there was bolotna square, too, there is no clear understanding what

it is necessary to go wall to wall because they will not give anything to georgia in this respect is similar to ukraine there is a clear understanding that we should block the parliament not to stand and talk oh dear friends we want to make a speech here to belarus with flowers with all due respect when was the day of december 1 in 2013, this huge rally and we stood there on this machine, these improvised tribunes, and in principle , the political leaders then did not have a program of action for such a large number of people, because they simply did not imagine this number, and so we are standing and people are asking what should we do? what to do, i.e. it's not that we didn't come to listen to you, yatsenyuk klitschko turchynov spoke there, it's great, but it's not a program where we're speaking, you understand , tell us what to do. well, that's when

the decision is born that we're going to picket the government quarter, not even because the politicians want they can picket the ice quarter and they don't want to. it will be clear at that time , maybe the program for this picketing was not even ready. we did not have this building of trade unions, but it was clear that there was a request for exactly such actions to put pressure on the georgian authorities. as you can see they came out exactly the same, they said we are blocking the parliament. it was very similar to the euromaidan, well, this is the right behavior because if you want them to listen to you, you have to block, what should the belarusians do block the residence of this scoundrel and they said yes, no, this is not our maidan well not the maidan, so now you have to block the beat of the security forces who tried to protect it because of the capture, don’t let the bow there, don’t let his pseudo-parliamentarians in, or block them there, don’t give them the opportunity

to leave, if you are the truth of russia, it is possible they would have left already, of course, if lukashenko had even tried to break through from there, he would not have succeeded, he would have even escaped from minsk, you can imagine that russian troops tried to enter there, but it was a completely different situation, and these people said, but we don't want to suffer there, they suffered all the same but if they had managed to destroy the lukashenka regime, even at great cost , now it would be a completely different situation. by the way , there might not be a war, but this must be understood and it is important because they need it because the russians bridgehead and they were preparing a trap for lukashenko and they created it, lukashenko promised that there would be no conscription and now lukashenko has already announced the conscription of a small cadre of military personnel there, but anyway well, because he is forced one way or another, he is now completely dependent, and the belarusians could break it if they he was at least scared, that is, he was scared of putin as a result, and he needed to be scared

of the belarusians, the georgians are good, but there is success, but the next demands are re-elections, yes, the resignation of the government. but will the ruling party agree to this the georgian dream or will they try to somehow find compromises, negotiate and make promises, as you understand before, the problem is that i talked about it with our interlocutor nonomolishvili that there is no obvious political alternative in georgia, they can even hold extraordinary parliamentary elections and they can win because you saw that at this protest opposition politicians did not play a leading role, which is also very strange, one way or another, on the maidan for 13-14 years , which was the people's maidan, but the leaders of the opposition parties were representatives maidana i understand, but then, by the way, yulia volodymyrivna was released, maybe now saakashvili will be released, he can become such a leader, he can't, i can't, because he is also

perceived by a huge number of georgians as a person who tried to create an authoritarian regime in russia, whether it is deserved or not, let the georgians themselves judge but they between saakashvili's struggle for vanishvili sees the struggle of two people who tried to establish a regime of personal power, so of course, first of all , saakashvili has already said that he will not participate in politics, and secondly, he looks soft speaking not very well, i think that even if he is released from prison , i do not think that he should be there in the conditions in which he is, i am not a big supporter of mykhailo's personality and politics, i do not think that he played a positive role in the history of georgia and of ukraine, but i absolutely believe that he is not such a person, you can't mock him like that and actually bring him to death, and by the way, i always said that i could treat yulia tymoshenko differently, but the behavior

of the ukrainian authorities in relation to her was this selective justice is absolutely shameful, it is selective in relation to tymoshenko, so it is selective in relation to saakashvili, and by the way, i share saakashvili's opinion that he was lured to georgia by employees of the russian special services, and i just can't understand why you surround yourself with people who can lure you to georgia well, it's another matter when in order for saakashvili to discuss it, this person needs to be in freedom or, you know, undergoing treatment . so i don't think that this is an alternative leader , that's not the point. the leader did not appear, but he may appear as a result of these processes, and here the question is that even georgian dreams are possible, it is necessary to better hold extraordinary parliamentary

elections, wait for the next one, that he appeared during this time as a result of various social processes there, it is not known whether they are just they may want to hold quick elections to show that they are winning, by the way , saakashvili did this at one time, there were large protests of this type, he resigned from the post of president and then won the election handsomely. and if he had waited if the term elections were held, he could calmly lose just like that because it would be time, the consolidation of the opposition would continue , a real alternative would be found, so nothing would be found, and they may go the same way, i will not be surprised, so nothing is over yet, another matter ivanishvili is such a person that he is not the prime minister of georgia, he can send you out of office , this government will have a new prime minister , a more european one who will condemn the law about the agency, who will say that he is in favor of

the european integration of georgia in general triumphantly win the elections and then repeat your policy correctly, that's exactly why the problem is that such regimes are regimes of masks, that's exactly what it is if in russia it's a regime of the fsb, which is headed by putin, but it is not known what will happen after putin, whether there will be another fsb colonel here it is a regime of masks, it is an oligarchic regime and it chooses various political representatives there, in any case, we wish the georgians to defend their independence, their rights and identity, and we will watch what there is also something going on. thanks, of course, to the georgian legion for helping us fight against the russian occupier absolutely , mr. vitaly, let's talk about

lukashenka, he has already been partially mentioned. - the releases indicate that they will discuss trade and economic relations , but what is the purpose of the visa? the economic world, the world of countries under western sanctions, lukashenko visited china, china also has very good relations with tehran, president raisi was in china, now lukashenko is flying to tehran, this is already such a triangle for you and all three countries have strategic relations with the russian federation and all three countries can have contraband supplies of various products, they need them in order to circumvent western sanctions and here and each of these countries has its own regimes, i.e. china , there are no sanctions at all, but there are huge ones

economic power in belarus, sanctions are not the same as in russia, in russia, they are not the same as in iran , and so on and so on. i already see some report that russia, in principle, with the help of all these triangles, all these schemes, has succeeded in principle in restoring all the supply chains necessary for production weapons and it is needed early, too. iran recently received , let's say, a contract with russia for the supply of aircraft. it was officially announced. so, their economic life is going on there, well, not like in the civilized world, but one that allows all this regime to survive on a large scale considering all three regimes, he focuses on beijing, this is also an important point, then lukashenko, unlike putin, can afford to talk about weapons for himself, which we will then transfer to russia, and in beijing and in tehran , putin's commissar can also speak from the point of view of fulfilling some strategic tasks and this is such a dual task: economic support

for belarus itself, aid to iran, aid to russia in terms of supplying weapons, so its diplomatic activity is absolutely logical, that is, in the world where they live they exchange these trips, agreements, some kind of economic decisions, we, right? i think it's good that such visits take place, you know why. because it cures us of illusions, because in our illusions, these are deeply isolated countries, and for us, the whole world and us. on the doorstep of moscow, it is absolutely obvious that these countries are isolated from the civilized world , but they are not isolated from each other, and they are not isolated from china, and they are not isolated from india, from pakistan, from indonesia, from south africa, from brazil, this is huge countries with huge economic opportunities, not like the united states , let's say, but serious enough to keep it all afloat for a very long