[000:00:00;00] it was necessary to show that there is nothing dangerous, that it is quite possible with weapons in their hands, no matter how his connection does not come to the territory of russia and do nothing, they cannot do it, and they achieved it, they showed that indeed , so to speak, armed people are completely different people than bela there tape recorders, the opposition, what are we own-wires with automatic machines, this is a completely different opposition , the military opposition, or something else, this is already the second question, does it cooperate, and how do they hide, they serve the ukrainians, it doesn’t matter at all, it doesn’t matter at all it is true that you can enter russia, and that, so to speak, seriously in the resistance at the first stage, they will not meet, this is a fact. i think that this information played a very important role for many people. i think that for the western intelligence services, for western observers , military experts, etc it became completely obvious that the conviction that nothing of the kind would happen to russia and that no one would invade

its territory, including, in addition to all other things, led to the fact that the borders are also protected by forces of serious means of 20 km the border with ukraine, in which you are fighting, there is nothing there . and it is quite possible to drive through and stay in this territory for a few hours, and there is little that the russian special services can do. well, we understand why they say that because the border troops belong to the department of border troops in russia. the fsb is the fsb, as it were, a part of the fsb, and on the eve of this story, we remember very well that there was a collegium , in particular, of the russian security forces . so to speak, they were digging under bortnikov, the head of the fsb, in order to remove him from his position, so to speak. well, this is one moment, and the second moment is also extremely interesting, and maybe they would like to use it in

their internal process of organizing the mobilization impulse , so to speak look, you may be attacked, dear citizens , the fatherland is dangerous, the trotskyists are forming squads, so to speak, well, look there, the internal struggle does not stop, it does not stop in the fsb and, so to speak, in other forces of the structures between the fsb and the army there well, and so on, that is, it is a self-evident thing, hardware , somewhere, it is caused by a desire to blame itself for some things , yes, to translate the arrows, this is usual . you know the secret power in russia, the main bodies of the colleagues of the fsb - this is the head of the fsb, they actually determine everything practically because, well , in part, it carries this function, it puts security, but there are practically the same

people, except for some ritual ones leaders there, medvedev sits in the security council because they decide something, that he plays a role, but in the fsb colleagues sit a specific general . internally, some kind of hardware game takes the place of the bortnikov and there is someone who targets and there is someone who protects collective interests there internally , separately, all this is, but the question remains the same, that the war continues to remain in the war of putin himself. and it’s not the power apparatus. the power apparatus does not pick up on its own desire to share the responsibility for this for everything. it seems to me that this is a very important moment. and that is why putin , in fact, does not try to go to sleep with the boarder because of the conflict, and that bortnikov is calm goes aside and is no longer responsible, he wants them to stay

and shoigu and patrushev and bortnikov and gerasimov to stay separated from them, he is trying to involve them in the system in the orbit of these relations responsibility, otherwise, why don't they get fired, they failed everything, all together, they failed the company in ukraine, we discussed it many times , they were in disgrace, here we are, and they were not fired, but returned to their positions. together and hanging by the way putin, he repeated in different ways , by the way , tell her to the mashevo family, and so on therefore, bortnyk could theoretically be in the eighth decade. maybe he would have jumped off, you know, he could have gone and said, well, what, well , i’m old. they say that they allegedly cut out prostrates there, i don’t know, and these are already

rumors that are not confirmed by anything, but conversation with conversations, and in principle, this is what they cling to, and it is done. for victory, if you won the war with ukraine, and there you increased your officials, businessmen, and so on. here they occupy the territory and exploit ukraine, and if you lose, everything else it is not known what tomorrow will be. you know that they are leaving bach behind. this is what the future is like for bakhmut or solidar or such cities. there is no living space left for a small girl or an avdeivka. look at these photos, then this will be a personal war. this is a war of the 17th century. in particular, when we talk about bakhmut, the russian general staff and the ministry of defense decided which issue was the issue of the wagnerites and prigozhin.

as far as we understand, so to speak, the classical military begins to completely pass over a certain space under itself. and if he succeeds in bringing prigozhina down, well, they will find some kind of hacienda in africa, i don't know, which he will guard, well, he knows. today he said that his special communications phone was turned off and his passes were taken away. he hints that these are passes to the ministry of defense, the fsb, to the general staff , and so on. i am surprised that he even had these passes. about this, he openly says that nothing has changed in terms of the amount of ammunition and everything else, there are several recordings of the last ones, here is the video and audio, he recorded the video , first of all, near the tank , somewhere in the warehouses , somehow. he directly says that, well, there won't actually be a wagner attack, the enemy will cross almost to moscow , that is, to the border.

spend but if we are not there, someone will protect you but come, this is how i will translate into this language and most likely these are all his messages, they are addressed to one single person, and putin does not have a mobile phone and he does not use a computer, and that is why he doesn't know anything and they don't carry anything in putin's red papochka aha that's exactly what's happening and now it's a confirmation that it's being spent chvk wagner is definitely experiencing great satisfaction from this and gerasim pushok the entire generals hate him well, the administrator he also kicked them with his feet, so if prigozhina has no resources left, they will all be spent precisely on bakhmut. not up to 2,000. that's it, and willingly. i believe why not, because in addition to the actual fierce battles, there is one. and one more very important thing is that in order not to become the general staff and the ministry of defense, it is

necessary that these prisoners do not remain. at all, there are no living people left, so that prigozhin has five people left there, you know, it won’t be possible, it will be even easier, right . so here it is logic and hardware and military. and that’s why it seems to me that everything develops according to it . thank you very much, mark, for this extremely interesting and meaningful conversation, and to our tv viewers let me remind you that now mark feigin worked for them on the espresso tv channel, a figure of the russian opposition in exile, an iconic video blogger, and, of course , a former member of the state duma thank you mark thank you anton thank you to all viewers, our current guest andriy sannikov, former deputy minister of foreign affairs of belarus, figure of the belarusian opposition, emigration, former political prisoner lukashenka lives belarus

, glory to ukraine, mr. andrii, i salute you, heroes, glory to you forever. some powerful provocation in a couple of days literally, one of the leading russian propagandists solovyov should arrive in belarus and soon something can be done large-scale it is about the russian lukashenko provocation. well, i think it is definitely justified. these concerns are because the lukashenko regime is a full-fledged participant in the war against ukraine in the russian war against ukraine, that is, it is also the aggressor. it will not be forgotten that he is giving his entire territory to the kremlin militarily and did not give how today from the airfield of the same one that became known after the incident with the russian avaks took off not 31, this is the same fighter

that is capable of carrying hypersonic missiles a dagger, that is, the actions are not friendly, so far from lukashenko’s side, they continue all the time. one more fact, i want to remind you that once again the so-called maneuvers have been extended. what is military maneuvering during the war ? this is preparation for military operations . i would like to remind you that it has been going on for almost an hour. that is, these are not maneuvers that are extended by order of the kremlin, of course because they need it. and therefore , the worries are absolutely justified . the increased combat readiness in the severn is absolutely justified. direction, well, from such subjective factors, lead to lukashenko's constant lie after the incident in the swamps, they point to the fact that

a major provocation is being prepared with his participation. well, we are constantly testing the borders . yes, today poland, for example, i think is acting rationally, logically and competently when it installs fortifications, including anti-tank hedgehogs, on the border with belarus lithuania is strengthening the border, that is, there are constant provocations in this direction with the use of migrants. let us recall that they began long before the invasion of massive russia with the help of belarus . there are constant provocations on the territory of ukraine from the border guards of the lukashenko regime from the military. 20 training grounds in belarus are occupied by russian troops, many

are occupied. i mean that they are trained there , that is why the presence of troops is the intelligence of ukraine and the ministry of ukraine constantly emphasizes that they are monitoring the situation very carefully, and the reason for this is that there will be some kind of mass invasion . no, this is probably correct, but it is possible to commit dangerous provocations in small groups or in sufficiently large groups. refers to such information. to what statements the city, that is , the ukrainian intelligence service, which warns , among other things, that the phase

of the war that many fear, that is, already the transfer of lukashenko's armed forces across the border with ukraine dear mr. minister and what are the armed forces of belarus in the current situation? well, there was another such disturbing situation there. there was no army, that is, there was no state, because lukashenko's budgets and expenditures will not force the population, not on the necessary army but only for the maintenance of the special service of punitive bodies. here they live well. military veins began to live technically more or less. when russia began to prepare for war, this is when he conducted these large-scale maneuvers and when the war started, the most disturbing information in general consists of the fact that these untrained soldiers in belarus are now pushing for military actions, the instructor from russia, who have already gone through the war, went, so to speak, through the most difficult direction in

ukraine, that is, as invaders, of course but nevertheless, they have acquired quite serious experience and they are now sharing this experience with the military personnel of belarus . everything shows indeed if you look at the fact that there are no visible reasons for the concentration of technical troops, this is so . china , what could he lead to sydzhinping and what could he get in return, should we talk about some kind of synchronization of actions between china, belarus and russia, or would lukashenko like to play it safe and

start some kind of individual game of his own? in my opinion, the main thing was not poroshenko’s visit. for some reason, they were released on the carpet. yes, because he was happy , because no one communicates with him, and trips to putin already cause laughter and irritation, because it is shameful even when the dictator sneezes even when you don't perceive him as a legitimate leader , it's still a shame that such a miracle comes from belarus. the trip took place during the closure of transport roads on the part of poland , which significantly complicates china's trade, they no longer say that this is one way, their project is falling to pieces

, it does not start normally . what is china interested in here? there was trade with europe, including russia and china, and specialists warned all the time that this is a bottleneck and it will be very easy to block it, and then trade will simply not slow down, but can stop. it seems to me that is to china, which is limited by this land route to europe through belarus, because the rest of them work, the rest are more expensive by sea. it is understandable that they decided to discuss the problem with lukashenko somehow. tell him, don’t tell me, i will show that china is losing quite a lot in such a situation, so that he came quite irritated, apparently he expected to receive support in words, ordinary chinese support we support you, we will give you money, only you will fulfill our

orders, our wishes, i think lukashenko and he does not mind carrying out certain instructions from beijing, but on the other hand, he went there. as far as i understand, as a serf of the golden horde , we remember that in the 14th or 13th century, they very often caused the insertion of certain princes of the golden horde. well, and they were, so to speak, composing their feudal omash. well, maybe now the question is: who will be subject to belarus more than moscow or beijing, or will it be such a triangle of cooperation ? can lead yes in order to squeeze out some benefits for themselves. i think here , simply, if there is a demand to use china as a countermeasure to russia on the part of lukashenko, there will be very clumsy demand because the kremlin perfectly imagines how dependent lukashenko is on

russia, precisely perfectly imagines that no china will not replace russia, it will not replace energy supplies, they will not replace all the others, well, in general, all the elements of this kind of dependence of lukashenko's economic regime on russia are dangerous. they resumed the talks, after all, the lifting of sanctions on potassium transit, this is very dangerous and this could also be discussed in china, they resumed from the side we know that sanctions were imposed, and now under the brand of solving the problems of hunger , the same project that was proposed by the general secretary at the time has resurfaced to allow the transit

of ukrainian potassium grains through belarus, and so on , that is, to help the starving in africa and not to care about the thousands of political prisoners in belarus, this is very dangerous. i see what is there again, according to the information that literally appeared yesterday, the netherlands, portugal, france, italy are involved in lobbying, quite serious world players , so if this happens , it will first of all mean an increase in pressure on ukraine, military pressure means a prolongation of this war against ukraine because the lukashenko regime putin is needed only for one purpose now. putin is for a military purpose and his salvation by the hands of the west is what a dictator dreams about, and putin

dreams about it more than lukashenko because he a stable military bridgehead is needed today, he can continue the offensive on the ukrainian territory in the south, it will constantly keep it under tension and prepare the next invasion of the north, too, therefore, these moments are very dangerous, and yes, this is where such a triangle of circumventing sanctions and using the possible lifting of sanctions from the regime could develop lukashenko for all goods , including from russia, including from china dear mr. minister, i would like to ask you about the political bipolarity of lukashenko from one on the other hand, he assures that belarus is not preparing for certain military actions and provocations only if something happens , so to speak, from our side. well, we understand that this is an attempt to self-apologise, so to speak , in order to explain why why, for example , lukashenko can get involved in open

hostilities on the other hand, he unexpectedly began to be very rude towards our president . this time he was probably told something because i am sure that on february 24 he was not informed , he was not really informed about those massive missile attacks that were on ukrainian civilian objects, including from the territory of belarus, and they simply do not ask and do not make it known here, apparently, something has become known to him, he is hysterical, hysterical

. this is exactly the rudeness, but somewhere he says that he is preparing unfriendly actions against ukraine. i will never attack you, and it continued here, it really broke down, so it’s worth waiting for further breakdowns, and there may be spills, and there may be provocations. what do you think happened in umachulyshcha? yes, in particular, it is about extremely significant damage to a russian strategic electronic radio reconnaissance aircraft. yes, i would like to ask you. respectively, about the belarusian partisans, what they are, in particular, it is about the belarusian resistance movement that is on the territory of belarus. well, in general, we have 90 potential partisans, more than 90% unfortunately, many of them are in prison because why am i saying this because this regime does not accept belarusians ? marina showed repression in the 20th hour . there, as in that joke, when the hare

runs away and they take him, he says that the camel is already enough, you are not a camel, go prove it. yes, that is, this joke is not absolutely funny in our reality, but terrible. here are these daily repressions they show that lukashenko and his regime simply live in fear otherwise why attack the youth on the elderly on everyone what happened in the swamps well, again , there was a bag of lies here denying that anything happened at all then the confession lukashenko himself admitted that yes it happened there the incident is like that, how would you present it? it's nothing terrible, but the plane flew away , obviously the antenna was damaged

, that is, it 's a sufficient series. a certain group that had some roots in ukraine and the cia participated there, the sbu participated there, and now poland also participated . well , this is another lie, and a clumsy one. there were objects on the territory of belarus participating in the war , as the lukashenko regime, this is a legitimate goal for the ukrainian armed forces. on a large scale because, excuse me, there is another coordination of missile strikes. yes, and just like that, because it is hyper-smart, it is natural

that ukraine is not what it is. it has the right to be obliged to take action. or it was something else because i am not a specialist in drones, but it seems strange to me that a chinese drone could take off and blow something up. i am waiting for such more serious data from intelligence services, most likely from western intelligence services, because what lukashenko's special services and propagandists are giving out now is such a well-worn lie that i would not even advise you to delve into all the details, and all the names that are now thrown out the length of the public's needs, but

once again i want to emphasize this . российско в провуров прохождение российские пока ето легитимная цель для военное время thank you very much, mr. andriy, for this extremely interesting and meaningful conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that now the former deputy minister of foreign affairs of the republic of belarus, a member of the white russian opposition , was working for them on the air of the espresso tv channel emigration andriy sannikov lives in belarus and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes and good day to everyone, the time of our program has run out, stay tuned to the espresso tv channel my colleagues will inform you about everything

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