[000:00:00;00] it is added that they are such idiots, as they say here in odessa , to some extent , yes, they did not count that. thanks, big white georgian oppositionist, i wanted to say ukrainian and ukrainian, he is not an oppositionist, but it is nice that there are people who understand. i started speaking russian for some reason in language, probably after the americans. oh well, i will answer the questions from now on after the break for 7 dashes and 10 minutes, and then we will return to the program, we still need to talk about china in more detail and about france in detail to talk because there is aushan, which ukrainians also use, but it is strange that aushan can get rid of ukrainian buyers . because ukrainians can refuse to buy something in aushan

because asan aushan works quite actively in the russian market and directly or indirectly , depending on when and how, actually helps the russian of the budget that helps the russian army that kills ukrainian citizens at the front and in the rear , and here it is necessary to think. the settlement was occupied by the occupying troops of the russian federation, standing directly here even from fsb minesweepers, because it is visible from the demining, demining is quite difficult , practically 70-80% of the mines are processed. so they cannot be removed, they are made of cuttings for sappers, they have to be neutralized on the spot, retreating from this populated area point , they named all the power lines

, residential buildings and all the approaches, because from that side, because from that side, our troops entered, the difficulty is that when escorted, recall the electricians at restoration of power lines, there is a lot of engineering ammunition, especially anti-personnel ammunition, the small ones are prohibited, prohibited for the entire civilized world to use, and unfortunately, all the fields. and here, almost thousands of hectares are mined for such mines that cannot be removed, which must be defused right on the spot, one day of waging war with the use of various types of ammunition there type and character, three dashes, seven to ten days, complete demining, well, as much as possible, we take a year of the war

, at least 10 deminings, a lot , a lot of all that rubbish. and when they left in our land, it’s not even tens of thousands, to give an example, the most disgusting thing is what you saw in terms of mining, maybe i don’t know there , a children’s playpen in a private house was mined, or something like that, well, in the kyiv region, we saw a children’s cradle mined, a small cradle mined , a professional one mined enough for that so that when the pillow is lifted, the entire cradle of kilograms of strata explodes here, the electric to the electrician krono into the pillows, this was called a person who, not on youtube, looked at the mining system, how it is installed, mined a logic professional there i don't see it here, the same here, all the private houses were mined . where were they? they mined everything from dog houses to entrances on the territory of private houses to stretch marks

, doors, beds, some household items, well , we won't go any further because i won't take a searcher further there. i didn't go, here we take one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, i still see here, here, here is eight. and this is all coming from me, and beyond the horizon, this is the whole field, you can imagine the scale, almost every third of them is reworked so that it cannot be taken from places, unfortunately, there are already cases of guys who died from them, you can’t even twist the explosive according to all the regulatory documents that were for the unions, how are these mines demined , they are modified so that during the twisting, the explosive explodes on you, 7.5 kg of tortilla is enough for your head, not a single chance

out of a million, there will be only two pieces like a fist left to bury, at best, it will be ready . there were also fsbeshniks living on this street , they expelled people from the other side. tried to enter here, unfortunately, this equipment is ours, our boys broke through the minefield here, all the houses were protected from here, there were mines here, there were standing there, we are going , there were anti-personnel mines, there were all neutralized anti-tank mines, everything was mined

, this field from that landing to of that landing and there you go. as long as you see everything in the mines, you can imagine the scale of fm galicia . russian hackers attacked the radio fm galicia . they tried to break into the air . the attack was repelled. galicia has prepared its response and we heard that our armed forces promised a spring counteroffensive to the occupier, so the fm radio galicia will be ready for an informational spring counterattack, hear and even see life goes on, the war is going on galicia is not

enough for the russians, it is the same for the ukrainians spotlight ukraine , a new project of the espresso channel, a project about the war and ukraine spotlight ukraine products created by the best journalists and experts inform analyze forecast spotlight ukraine exclusive interviews with foreign guests politicians diplomats economists the military spotlight ukraine is the key to how we will live the next few years spotlight ukraine with volodymyr ostapchuk every sunday at 9:30 p.m. for espresso about good health once again we will discuss with you until the end of this hour until 5:00 p.m. now we will move to of the people's republic of china on this occasion we have an orientalist mykhailo yakubovich, if i see him i will be a happy person because already today one guest has fallen and now

another one will fall if the second one then i will simply be disappointed in life and understand that tomorrow is monday the 13th this is some kind of premature problems arise, it doesn't mean then i will answer questions because this is the only one, these are my crutches . these are the questions i have from citizens, and these are crutches that help me do something. when guests wander somewhere and some guests can get lost somewhere, what do they say? almost there is this is a very interesting moment the word almost what should i do on the air during the word almost there is then you have to tell me it is almost september almost leads the program almost well ma almost almost difficult yes well okay there is mykhailo yakubovich yes there is mykhailo kubovych

we see him. thank you for finding time for us on sunday, and therefore what does it mean to have li shanfu at the head of the ministry of defense of the people's republic of china, who has been under the sanctions of the united states for 5 years precisely because of cooperation with russia. is this just such a gesture or is there something behind this gesture something does xi jinping mean when he appoints such a person to the ministry of defense, this means further cooperation with russia of the military industry. although it is obvious and not without it. the fact is that xi jinping himself has cemented the government there for a long time and he appoints those personnel who are loyal and who have a long history of serving this regime. therefore, it is obvious that a person who has been involved in chinese politics for a long time

has been verified and now occupies such position, but it is obvious that the west will perceive it as such a certain challenge, since it is difficult to imagine how, for example , cooperation with the chinese ministry of defense can be , so there is also with him on some, for example , even joint training with some countries and then there is another point that the appointment of such a figure in some ways isolates china's military elite , that is, it makes it even more under control. that is, it means that there will be people who will not be accepted anywhere except in china itself, and they will only be in such isolation faithfully serve the chinese authorities, therefore, the trend is obviously dangerous, mr. mykhailo, does this mean that your last words mean that isolationism

is increasingly becoming the policy of china, that is, you understand . in my head, such a controversy arises . yes, on the one hand, china and all of china the ideologeme of the last decades is globalization, it is trade, if there is globalization, there is appropriate trade, there is, accordingly, excess profits in the chinese government and everything is beautiful , but on the other hand, there is a desire to separate, then this is such a dialectical unity, as we were taught in the classics of marxism, leninism, or whatever it is, rather - this is an attempt to hold back, as usual, china did on several chairs, that is, on military issues . they are trying to have a military-political-military elite that is simply loyal to the country, but in economic issues, something is different here

that is, in certain such circles that china outlined for itself, which was obviously outlined for it by other forces, it did not go far beyond the limits of specifically military influence, despite the fact that there it scared the military with various operations and now we are talking about taiwan and training was conducted , but here we see that just before well, by strengthening the military factor, it is currently intensifying the global trend china is simply within itself within the limits of its own ministry of defense specifically sidzempin it is simply cementing power even more because china is also a group and it is not means that china is not some kind of monarchical dictatorship, after all, there are certain centers of influence there , and xi jinping is currently specifically usurping power, and such a loyal person is appointed , that is, how is this again the question, how will the west react to this, will there be any other actions or will further sanctions be introduced or will some more people be added to them, how

much will the cooperation between china and russia be monitored , that is, in this matter, strategically, china does not change much, but here are the tactical things. they can really be of great importance here. well, i would here argued a little if we were sitting in a cafe drinking beer because i have the impression that in the last few years, maybe starting with the situation around hong kong, china started to act earlier, this is what i think, i could be wrong, i am not an orientalist, but i had the impression that they are taking very slow steps very careful steps and if they are waiting for the acquisition of such forces to become such a factor that everything happens automatically, yes, you understand what i am talking about, that is, not because china is acting, but because china has already become so cool, speaking in such a simple language that

when he says, you know, we will probably decide conquer hong kong and everyone will say, well, what can we do with you, you are so big ? well, then we can take taiwan and everyone will say : well, yes, with such weapons, with such an opportunity , with such. we won't do it, because we are facing such an evil monster. and now i see that china is acting and it is changing the policy , it seems to me. feet, in fact, china is acting where it was allowed to act, including the latest events there, its usurpation of power, how long it has already lasted there, it shows that, after all , it still has your powers and the levers are very powerful , they are even developing, that is, the west has a lot of things in essence

since the early 1900s, and later with the annexation of crimea and the introduction of russian troops into donbas , the policy that the west gives a certain weakness began, if it is possible for them, why not for us. this gave the elites in the east the opportunity almost does not change, in contrast to the west, where elections are held every few years and it is necessary to constantly dance in front of the people to explain something , there are enough strategic prospects that we can move more actively and we will not get anything for this, that is, it is difficult to disagree here that this strengthening is simply a question of is it the strengthening of certain eastern countries? is it the weakening of the west because economic cooperation, for example, german-chinese, there are still many lines of cooperation. they still remain quite powerful, and the west closed on these things

eyes because it had corresponding profits, the same story that was repeated with russian gas and now we see the consequences and these consequences are only beginning, they will continue and further because iran is entering the arena despite all its problems and stories that the regime there is about to fall well, about the russian strengthening, which is so difficult to stop, whether it is possible at all, this is another question, that is , it is difficult to disagree here, okay, what problems can arise in the politburo of xi jinping's chinese company inside, what do you say there there is no such monolith, without a doubt. i am convinced that there are people in the communist party who remember where this opinion is, a maximum of two terms of tenure in top management positions , and so on . banking

and so on, there are some other factors inside china itself that can influence in one way or another the various decisions of the politburo of the central committee of the communist party of china, well, according to the estimates, what are the ones that concern china , yes, china can withdraw somewhere, china can somewhere to strengthen the influence, there may be some such er changes of faces, but it is essential to expect from china some significant weakening of the centrifugal tendencies of the separatists even of the tendencies in the same china, because there are tibetan and uyghur issues there, and everything else is absolutely not worth it, that is, due to the situation that in the world, china can keep calm and even if somewhere it changes its policy to the side, perhaps more about the western one, and because while it endured there and many sanctioned events, well, that is, as long as

the balance of power was formed there, it seems more or less everyone is satisfied, yes, there are challenges, but during the time of the coronavirus, let's not forget that china has significantly strengthened the control over its citizens . even stronger, many new technologies were launched and created, which track those who can pose a threat, and therefore in the chinese megaliths, we see xi jinping showing strength, he is capable to deal with his opponents, well, that is , there are currently no such realistic expectations of serious changes in chinese politics that are about to go to china, what will change, he will turn his face to someone there and vice versa that is, it seems at least at this stage it is so, and then the question arises. why were all restrictions lifted so suddenly due to covid when people started to go out on the streets, where some somewhere, well, that is, such an exotic situation, we have such a situation since 89 tianmen no, well, we saw very little and here

suddenly there will also be a sudden reaction of the authorities and they say everything, we are removing everything. okay , well done, they came out and it is not known whether someone was arrested or no one was arrested, but they simply canceled it once and for all. them for several months, even in european countries, but the question is simply that certain goals were achieved by the introduction of quarantine measures, on the one hand, there may be some medical goals, because we do not know the real chinese statistics. i do not want to get into conspiracy theories. the press writes completely different things, but at the same time, we see that certain goals have been achieved , the citizen control systems have been checked, various quarantine measures have been mobilized within the country itself, all this was

done and there was no further sense, obviously, especially against the background of the new term of the ruling leader, it was worth it to show the citizens that here we can and everything is not so bad, that is, there is a certain political goal, but i do not think that these are any such serious changes which are related to the fear of the people, in this case the chinese authorities. mikhail , i have such a tricky question for you now, because i myself want to figure it out. i am here when i run programs and it concerns the people's republic of china. i always contradict many of my from the point of view of myths a myth or maybe these are not myths because many people in ukraine and i, when i watch the russian liberal channels so-called that china has a keen eye on siberia and the far east and whatever it is in its program, it may be

open, maybe secret, there is colonization of these territories of the selection of these territories of the russian federation and i always say that china allows its businessmen there, the children of the political state-political state political desire to grab the far east, russian and siberian regions, they do not exist will concentrate more quickly in the south and not in the north, they are concentrated there in the south china seas, trade passes through the straits, because half or two/thirds of everything that is traded in the world runs there africa america asia africa asia america and so on and so on europe, that is, for them it is it is important that they do not have plans there, they say that if you are a businessman and want to open a large enterprise in russia

, okay, we will help you, we will give you a loan, but this does not mean that we will be there if we were to do something from the state's point of view, because for of the chinese. it seems to me that there is such a crisis in russia. well, as always in russia, what? well, they are hoarding that they now have to invest 100 billion annually to simply build roads in siberia . it’s just, well, simple. yes, to bring water, you know, to bring some kind of gas there, that is, for them it is an absolutely incomprehensible expense you can agree with this, since siberia and the entire far east of russia. in terms of population and human resources , russia itself does not need it, and even more so china does not need it, it is needed only as natural resources, that is, not what is on the ground, but what is under everyone is interested in the land there, but on the land is the forest, and also in military terms, it is obvious

that it is the russian presence in the far east with various military bases with the pacific fleet and others, and in fact there was a lot of such that they say that russia is about to give some part there china even more so now, for example, china has even offered to officially rename some russian cities, such as khabarovsk, to the chinese version, and some people have already seen such a cunning plan in this, they say something is being prepared, but there is very strong cross-border cooperation and now it will receive resources from russia quite advantageously, in fact, at a price that suits it at a certain stage, that is, china can really have absolutely everything from the far east from siberia without any military there, even in some conflicts or military

interventions and also political, i.e., here are the expectations that are often present and, in general, as the expectation of the disintegration of russia into permanent ones that are massed, in this case it seems like this, you know, when in our country it is desired or they pass it off as real or they try to write instead of a real historical examination, just an alternative history, well, this is just a clarifying question, the last one will be. in other words, you are not him, that is exactly what i wanted to ask, do you not see such a possibility, at least in the far east, or i would even ask the question and what could something like this happen to cause this collapse the so-called russia took place, i’m just wondering if in principle we can imagine it? is it completely absurd to even think about it? well , in fact, we don’t have the collapse of russia , even the collapse of countries like iran

is happening because they are quite beneficial to many forces, including those in the west, and the west has always saved russia from collapse , and we see even at the level of russian domestic politics that federalism in russia is collapsing. russia invests less and less in any elements of federalism, and even those republics the fact that in the 90s there were separate powers in the region, they are gradually being taken away, that is, russia is being cemented and centralized, and in order to see some , well, predict some processes, you need to see some grounds, that is, such grounds are obvious well, there are none, there are no mass uprisings, there is no mass discontent, there are no ethnic and religious factors that have an influence on it at the moment, that’s why it’s simple. well, maybe someone has some information, but it already belongs to the field of conspiracy theory, about what we like to

repeat very often but i personally, as a historian, do not see any grounds for what they are saying right now, as they say, two more weeks and the whole of russia will collapse and there will be a warm sea in its place . well, these are forecasts, which are again the same as in the case of china, we write alternative history yes, it is interesting to some, it is obvious to some, but the reality is much harsher and more complicated, mr. mykhailo, because if they had told me, for example, on august 18 or 17, 1991, that now on august 19 there would be the so-called gcp and then the union would collapse , then i would be so close to i would twist my temple with my finger, and that's how it happened, that's why it's always now after that example, everyone now how is it that they burn themselves on milk and blow on water, and there is a good anti-example because those who lived in the soviet

union in 1991 or 1990 did not have access to normal expert evaluations, and in fact, there is now a lot of literature to scroll through that was written on sovietology from the late 70s to the beginning of the 80s, which predicted the collapse of the soviet union in the next 10 years. i myself have repeatedly come across articles that even related to nationalities in the ussr clearly showed that literally years ago due to certain changes , not only economic and political factors, the ussr would cease to exist. that i myself read from the special archive, there were places where there was literature for a very limited circle of people, and coincidentally, brzezinski in the 70s and early 80s said that first

the baltics would enter, then the south caucasus would tremble, and this does not mean anything. but when he is direct wrote in the text that if fluctuations begin in ukraine, fluctuations in ukraine will lead to the death of the soviet union and to the death of russia as the center of the soviet union, so it really coincides with brzezinski, he predicted many interesting things here i am forced no, not forced, just i happily agree with mykhailo yakubovich, an orientalist, and let's move on to maksym sokolov, a french journalist, candidate of political sciences, he will be with us now, mr. maksym. thank you for finding the time for us . thank you very much, and i have my first question for you. i don't know, it may be very easy, it may be very difficult, but strikes frans in france are many, many , this is a very theoretical question. i hope the audience will like everything. because i am very

interested in it, but i do not know about the audience. for a very long time, i thought that france was behind the times in social in the social sphere, because social reforms in germany and britain have been carried out for a long time, and socialism in france is such a fixed idea . they really like that they are very social, they are so socialist. they have labor protection. and all this was in europe, but in the 1970s, europe began to get rid of this and the extension of this retirement age in britain to 67 already, or on the verge of 67, it happens everywhere

. and in france, france opposes yes why is the faction against in france there are no people who can explain to the society that we can’t, life extension of life has developed up to 85 years and the pension is all that is at 60, then we have to feed the pensioners for 25 years after the pension, that ’s right, no economy will last . explain to us, mr. maksym the thing is that the french have a slightly different attitude to work and to life, so to speak, than the same british or germans. they are not so focused on work. they like to rest. they like to live beautifully . they like to go to restaurants respect their free time and they believe that 62 years is absolutely enough to earn a decent pension and start living free from responsibilities at work and