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the youth themselves participated and the common people came out, and not just the opposition, you understand. i think that in general, this story with the law on foreign agents once again shows how similar all authoritarian regimes are to each other. leo tolstoy once wrote a phrase that was very fond of being quoted in all literature classes. it seems to me that all happy families are very similar to each other and every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way, but in fact this is not true. these are very russian views in fact happiness is very diverse, but not happiness, it is exactly the same, and you can always calculate how this unhappiness will develop, because for some reason it always follows the same trajectory of happiness, there are many variations, but i

thought. by the way, this law about innocents necessarily has appear why because recently there were all these speeches against the lgbt community in georgia and what started putin's russian regime, what started such a creation of internal russian authoritarianism is not connected there with any external aggressive actions with the war in chechnya when the society itself decided to cement the law banning this gay propaganda, which by the way, we also wanted to do it during yanukovych's time, and then agents appeared , if they succeeded, i can assure you , i think well, if they started pedaling this topic although it is not so important for georgia, it does not overturn anything there , georgian society is quite traditional in its composition, and to say that there you know directly through some unconstitutional relations

that required legal decisions and something threatens to the georgian orthodox church, no, but the government always knows that it is possible to stir up passions in this way. it means that it has stirred up, it means that we have to go on. innuagent, lo and behold, they came out with this agent, and this is where such an agent appeared. i would say the difference between russian and georgian society is that russian society is politically amorphous, but georgian society - no, that is, it noticed russian society, but it did not notice these decisions that led to the fact that they were deprived of their rights in general, and being stuck in this situation , they realized that something was wrong, ordinary people did not politicians or politicians acted exclusively at the level of the parliament. and as a result, the georgian dream once again found itself in an uncomfortable situation where it was not needed at all . the question arises, why did you do it ? a good question arises, but i understand the logic of the russian law on incompetence, because the russians were convinced that if you receive

funding from foreign sources, you are an enemy of the people. imagine that someone in ukraine , you know, our organization is financed there by the usa or from the funds of the european union. well , that speaks volumes about independence organization that you do not take money from some oligarch from some official that you are independent from corruption schemes, this is a sign of trust . the quality mark of georgia is the same, but they thought that they would pass this law and then they would appoint inspections and with these inspections they would force control of the mass media and public organizations, but taking into account the fact that in georgia no one considers these organizations enemies of the people and people who work to finance the civilized world, no one considers them enemies

, they simply began to defend their own freedom and so on all this happened because of them, and that is why they are simply in an empty place , you can say, where they had no real opposition, where they took everything into their hands, where they have complete financial control, but now they have really stopped in a situation where their influence may fall and this, by the way, is the fate of any authoritarian regimes. i think that any people, wherever they are, who want to create an authoritarian regime, need to look at this scheme, but in russia it does not work, the mentality is different, it is based only on this. is the difference or something else? in russia as in belarus. by the way, the power is not in the hands of the oligarchs, by and large, but in the hands of the power structures in belarus. this is not as visible as russia in russia and the power regime in its purest form, when one fsb officer rules the state and another fsb officer, sorry,

rules the church then i would say this is an unprecedented regime in the entire history of the world. do you understand that it is generally so strange when some security guards head the main institutions, that is , you know that in restaurants , i think it is absolutely idiotic that we have such a manner of writing and in russia, too, like, please, do not enter from by security guards leave them behind the doors in the restaurant, i think that this is incredibly disrespectful to people, but it reflects the essence of social interaction that these are the restaurants that these people go to in which a security guard on their shoulders is not a necessary attribute and since then there will be no months at all for people who came without bodyguards, then let the bodyguards eat in another place and not sit and wait . but russia is a country in which

bodyguards were allowed into the restaurant and everyone else was kicked out, including those whom they guarded and those who did not need them of services, russia is a restaurant for bodyguards, putin, who was supposed to guard some oligarch , is sitting there, and kirill is sitting here, who was supposed to guard some priest, and they are discussing their work for a living. well, that's why , of course, in this situation, russia is certainly a different state, but there is no such power apparatus in georgia. there is no such power apparatus in georgia . he never showed his effectiveness even when it might have been necessary, even when people with weapons came and expelled the first president of the restored georgian the state from wiams, the chorus of the office, there was also a strange situation. but nevertheless, in this situation, to think that the power structures can effectively resist the protest is also a mistake, but the special forces dispersed people. i understand that this means that the power structures are in power and under management, but

they used tear gas to disperse, not disperse, and in russia they partially dispersed at first, but in russia, when they already disperse belarusians, they disperse, you understand, dispersal of people is not just that you burned them with water and tear gas, it is of course very unpleasant but this is such a part of things, dispersal of people is when you water them with tear gas and beat them with water. you force the leaders to leave the country or take them to the forest like this well, as it was in belarus, this is effective

power structures, you understand , an effective power structure when there is a person has completely different instincts of self-preservation, it seems to you that i told you that i was at the protests in kyiv and in moscow many times since the 90s and it's like two two two different participants , so i'm like one person, but in kyiv when i came to a protest, i go on my own. well, in principle, i'm a journalist and i'm not even a journalist. well , i go on my own, talk to people, i watch how it happens, then i mean to myself, i return home, i see what happens in transport, this is

what it is. i would say just work and presence, absolutely. and started it to disperse the berkutki people, at least i knew that i could be safe at home, it turned out to be a mistake, then yanukovych began to build such a vertical at the expense of bandits, and they began to come to our homes to individual participants , journalists, activists, but before that, this had never happened, and this by the way, it didn't work out. it was all messed up, they took it to court, they tried to do that, but it was only one moment in our history when they overturned this situation, and it never happened again . but in moscow since the 90s, i remember you are going for the first rallies, first of all, the entire center is cleared everywhere, the police border, you can only pass through a journalist 's card. that is, you are actually in the reservation, but back then , in the 90s, somehow they just looked, then came putin's time, the police instead of the militia, and you already come, and you are the first

what do you think, stand carefully so that you are parallel to this exit to some yard and this yard is so-and-so i remember the exit into the well of the next yard and so you will pass through this next corner of this west and come out like this and you will go out into the street where it might be an underground passage to a parallel metro station where no one will appear yet, and that way you can save yourself when the cleanup begins. that is, it will definitely begin if you are a journalist and you have to wait for it. the police all the more if you understand that you are there and journalists of someone's democratic media well, that's what you think well, well, just you, i lived in moscow for 20 years, but if a person did not live in moscow

, that is, she is actually unarmed because well there that's what the police say. you won't get out, so what's the problem, they're becoming so, that they're clearly creating this trap, the rally will end and you won't get out, they 'll definitely beat you, so you need to become so that you know their borders in this, among the few in these passages that exist what they can simply because they themselves can be from the moscow region i hope that none of us will have to look carefully at the faces of the policemen to choose the place where the policemen from the moscow region will be you see that they are looking around, that for them this is not their duty zone , because my policemen from moscow, they can block any yard and this is such a horror that you actually what are you doing? you think only about what you you need to somehow save yourself after yes, what is this protest? no, it is actually a trap. well, there is a huge difference for you, and it is doomed. i remember these unfortunate people

when they gathered there in honor of this article of the constitution, elderly women, some children had students there, 16-17 years old, they they are simple they beat old people, i just always used to come to mayakovska metro station , napal square, where it was. i just looked at it with wide open eyes. i think why beat old people. they came with their posters, they didn’t have much, they stood and left for 30 minutes. why do you it is necessary to beat them from where, well, that is, in principle, you are not in any danger anymore , you are just showing pluralism. these people are not active participants in political life, they do not influence anything. why are you an object and you want to, that's the question. there is

an opportunity to beat someone. and why not beat someone when you can beat him, when there will be nothing for it, and for me it has always been, you know, i always i remember these people, just them. imagine that these people who could have been there in the holag , what kind of life experience they went through some prisons, they wanted to live in a normal country, here again they came out, at least to say that they would like to live in a normal country, then for 80-75 years, you have been beaten in your hometown for nothing, you have not violated the veterans, so really the difference between russia and georgia is absolutely obvious, and even when there was bolotna square, too. there is no clear understanding that you have to go wall to wall, that they are nothing will be given to georgia in this respect is similar to ukraine, there is a clear understanding that we should block the parliament, not stand and speak oh, dear friends, we want to give

a speech to belarus with flowers, with all due respect , when was the day of december 1, 2013 this huge rally and we were standing there on this these tribunes were improvised, and in principle the political leaders at that time did not have a program of action for such a large number of people because they simply did not imagine this number , so we are standing and people are asking what should we do, what should we do, that is, it is not that we did not come to listen to you yatsenyuk klitschko turchynov spoke there, it's great, but it's not a program where we speak, you understand , you tell me what to do. well, that's when the decision is born that we will picket the government quarter, not even because the politicians want to picket the ice quarter, maybe they

and they don't want to be such a guest at that time, maybe the program for this picketing wasn't even ready, we didn't have this building of trade unions, but it was clear that there was a request for exactly such actions to put pressure on the georgian authorities. as you can see , exactly the same thing, they came out, we said block the parliament it was very similar to the euromaidan, well, this is the right behavior because if you want them to listen to you , you have to block what the belarusians are supposed to do block the residence of this scoundrel and the parliament yes no, this is not the maidan with us well, not the maidan, so now you have the maidan block to beat the security forces who tried to protect through the dance, to capture, not to let his pseudo-parliamentarians in there, or to block them there, not to give them the opportunity to leave, if you were in the summer of the truth of russia, maybe they would have left already, of course, of course, if lukashenko even tried to break through from there , he did not succeed that he would even run away from minsk, you can imagine that russian troops tried to enter there, but it was

a completely different situation and these people said that we don't want to suffer there, they suffered anyway but if they managed to destroy the lukashenka regime, even at great cost, now it was a completely different situation. by the way, there might not have been a war, but this must be understood and it is important because they need a bridgehead in the russians and they were preparing a trap for lukashenka and they created it that there would be no conscription and now lukashenko has already announced the conscription of a small number of military personnel there, but anyway. well, because he is forced in one way or another, he is now completely dependent, and the belarusians could break it if they were his coffee , that is, he was afraid of putin as a result. he needed to scare the georgians to their own good, but there is success, but the next demands

are re-elections , yes , the resignation of the government. that in georgia there is no obvious political alternative, they can even hold extraordinary parliamentary elections and can win because you saw that the opposition politicians did not play at this protest a leading role, which is also very strange, one way or another, on the maidan for 13-14 years, which was the people's maidan, but the leaders of the opposition parties were representatives of the maidan . he is also perceived by a huge number of georgians as a person who tried to create an authoritarian regime in russia. whether it is deserved or not

is up to the georgians themselves to judge, but they see the struggle between saakashvili and vanishvili as the struggle of two people who tried to establish the regime of personal power, therefore, of course, firstly, saakashvili has already said that he will not participate in politics, secondly, he does not look very good, to put it mildly, i think that even if he is released from prison, i do not think that he has to be in such conditions in which he is, i am not a big supporter of mykhailo's personality and politics , i do not think that he played a positive role in the history of georgia and ukraine, but i absolutely believe that he is not such a person, you cannot mock him like this and actually drive him to death things i have always said that i could treat yulia tymoshenko differently, but the behavior of the ukrainian authorities towards her was absolutely disgraceful

. this is selective justice. saakashvili's opinion that he was lured to georgia by employees of the russian special services, and i just can't understand why he surrounds himself with people who can lure you to georgia, well , that's another matter, when in order for saakashvili to discuss it, you need this person was on freedom or, you know, on treatment. so i don't think that this alternative leader is not there and it doesn't matter, and so far this leader has not appeared, but he may appear as a result of these processes, and here the question is what is even possible georgian dreams, it is better to hold extraordinary parliamentary elections than to wait for the next ones to appear during this time as a result of various social processes there, it is not known whether they just might want to hold quick elections to show that they are winning, by the way

, at one time saakashvili did great protests of this type and he resigned from the post of president and then won the election perfectly. and if he had waited for the regular elections, he could have easily lost just like that because it would have been time , the consolidation of the opposition would have continued , there would have been a real real alternative, yes, nothing it was not found and they can go the same way, i will not be surprised if nothing has ended yet, another matter is that ivanishvili is such a person, he is not the prime minister of georgia, he can send you out of office , this government will appear a new one prime minister more european ones who will condemn the law on the agency of which will say that he is for the european integration of georgia in general to triumphantly win the elections and then resume his policy and then resume his policy, that 's exactly why the problem there is that such regimes are regimes of masks, that's just

if in russia, it is the regime of the fsb, which is headed by putin, but it is not known what will happen after putin, whether there will be another fsb colonel, then here it is a regime of masks, it is an oligarchic regime and it has political representatives, we wish georgians to defend their independence rights and identity and we will observe what is happening there and we thank , of course, the georgian legion for helping us fight against the russian occupier absolutely, mr. vitaly , let's talk about lukashenka, he has already been partially mentioned . engaged in what do you think, let's say, in such press releases it is indicated that they will discuss trade and economic relations

, but in fact what is the purpose of the visit? i think that both are true and both are true that not only this in essence, an alternative economic world is being created, the world of countries under western sanctions. lukashenko visited china, china also has very good relations with tehran, president raisi was in china, now lukashenko is flying to tehran, this is already such a triangle for you, and all three countries have strategic relations with russia the federation and all three countries can have contraband supplies of various products, they need them in order to circumvent western sanctions and here and each of these countries has its own regimes, that is, china , there are no sanctions at all, but there are huge ones the economic power in belarus, the sanctions are not the same as in russia, the sanctions in russia are not the same as in iran, and so on and so forth. i already see it as some kind of message that russia, in principle, with the help of all these triangles, all these schemes, has succeeded in

principle in restoring all the supply chains necessary for production of weapons and it is also necessary, and we recently received , let's say, a contract with russia for the supply of aircraft . it was officially announced. to survive with this whole regime, and by and large all three regimes are oriented towards beijing, this is also an important point, then lukashenko, unlike putin, can afford to talk about weapons for himself, which he will then hand over to russia, and in beijing, in tehran, he can also act as putin's commissar from the point of view the fulfillment of some strategic tasks, and this is such a double task, the economic provision of belarus itself, aid to iran, aid to russia from the point of view of the supply of weapons, so its diplomatic activity is absolutely

logical, that is, in the world where they live they exchange these trips, agreements, some kind of economic decisions, we, i think it is good that such a visit is taking place, you know why, because it cures us of the illusion, because in our illusions, these are deeply isolated countries, and for us, the whole world, and we on the doorstep of moscow, it is absolutely obvious that these countries are isolated from the civilized world, but they are not isolated from each other, and they are not isolated from china, and they are not isolated from india, from pakistan, from indonesia, from south africa, from brazil, these are huge countries with huge economic opportunities, not like the united states, let's say, but serious enough to keep it all afloat for a very long time and you have to be clearly aware of it, so i understand when president zelensky says that he wanted to talk about it with

the head of the people's republic of china but it seems to me that talking about something like that is almost like talking about something with putin. he definitely understands the situation . he likes her and he does everything possible to make it so, so i just think that it is logical as well as what happened today in beijing. this is the signing of the agreement on the restoration of diplomatic relations between iran and saudi arabia. to be honest, this is a diplomatic disaster for the united states. this is the kind of blow inflicted by china, not russia. it could also be that russia is not russia. they are not in russia . they are already in beijing. moreover, after the minister of foreign affairs of saudi arabia was here in kyiv and in ukraine, many hoped that saudi arabia could be a real ally against iran, which supplies

russia with drones, and against russia, which supplies weapons iran and the prime minister of israel mini-minitaniyakh who placed on the development of relations with saudi arabia as discrete because there are no diplomatic relations. by the way , there are already judicial relations between the council of saudi arabia, but these relations were based precisely on the principle that the enemy of my enemy is my second, that the saudi arabia should be interested in the security of israel because israel can be its ally in the confrontation with the dawn that threatens the existence of saudi arabia and one fine day all these constructions are ours and israel's and we are allies of the united states are very important in everyone, everyone in their region is destroyed china, we all lost, it turns out we all lost today and here the big question is how we are too chess game is not the end it is not checkmate it is but it is chess uhu and so

now the question is very important how will the united states the states are playing in order not to give china an opportunity to checkmate, because if china manages to advance in this way further , then also if europe will be soft towards china because it will be afraid of the collapse of all these economic chains that professor eisenberg told us about, then i one one fine day we will see representatives of russia and ukraine in beijing and there will be no americans there either, you understand. i am not saying that it will happen tomorrow, if it can be the day after tomorrow, it will still be a disaster for us, as it is now for many in the middle east, this is what happened today

happened when they see the smug facial expression in well, what can i say, i would honestly say that i would not award a high order on the spot , it is impossible, it is impossible not to say that this is an achievement, but this achievement is aimed at affirming the role of china as america's political alternative is in difficult relations with iran , with which it cannot be a mediator, but there is another very important point, we must remember that the hereditary principle of saudi arabia, after the murder of journalist khashoggi in the saudi embassy in ankara, he largely entered the path of confrontation by the united states because this is such a red line and the united states is trying to maintain good relations with saudi arabia as well as its strategic allies