[000:00:00;00] in an interview with the novel skripin to our colleague that as a trait, i used such a russian verb, he left turkey and is sitting in turkey, and after that, when the scandal began, zelenskyy raised this issue at the supreme commander-in-chief’s level, what should be done so that such dubious characters do not simply leave for the system, the way or how he went abroad, how massive is this phenomenon in that i don’t know different artists or pseudo-artists, can the standard be called art? well, in general is it possible to call it our stage art, please? well, i don’t think that this is a mass phenomenon . well, in the mass plan, thousands of people were able to leave ukraine. i haven’t heard and i don’t have such information , but it’s definitely a problem. well, it’s valuable because

there will always be some idiot. even among a hundred and high-quality people there will be someone who will be sold, we don't know why this stand-up artist stated this or if he has some circumstances of his own. well, is it really just that there is not enough rivets in the head, so you have to accept it? well, it's absolutely normal. you have to review mechanisms that are bureaucratic, it is possible to add some additional elements that would allow us to filter out such people at the threshold, and anyway we will not be sure that some truly artist artist will not go to the exhibition and there, once again, bought off by the russians, will not start telling some kind of story, we cannot be in we need to be confident about this , we need to treat it normally, introduce normal transparent rules that should apply to everyone, and then it will be easier. this is definitely not a question of rates, not a question of the nsdc.

was carried out for a certain media effect, but this is a question for reviewing bureaucratic approaches to this issue, well, not only approaches. it seems to me that changes to criminal legislation are possible, why in our country evasion of military duty is criminal responsibility, and not returning according to this scheme is not the way at all punishable if we introduce it, he did not return within a month, please, three years probation or five years probation well, at least some kind of responsibility should be criminal or at least financial, some kind of fines he says there, i didn’t come back, nothing will happen to me for this, these are all the stand-up comedians who left, a similar change and it should be a settlement and it’s easy, well, easy, 226 buttons were pressed and goodbye for a week, you can if you have the will, but if only on high in high offices, and there is no further exhaust , which means that in fact all situations are arranged

. a week ago, i talked about the fact that this is another gel that is in the tour. to the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, therefore, i understand that he knew how to leave and why he may not return now for which minister , for the deceased, for the current one, or for i think not for the ministers. even that mother, perhaps, just so easily allowed her son to think that and it seems to me that nothing will happen, you know what i want to ask you about, how exactly about information security in the united states of america, now they have given employees some time there at least state employees to close all their profiles in tiktok to get out of there so that chinese intelligence could not get any information about europe. the ministry of defense said that the ministry of defense employee, at least there , should be removed . us on computers if you don't have special access. well , let's say olga is lazy and makes informational programs about what's going on in russia, so she has to watch it. yes, but if you don't have it there if there is any permission and possibility, then i can’t watch russian sites

, or not, or not, tiktok should be covered in ukraine once and for all , please. since we are moving together with our allies with the european union with losses , it is the most simple and logical solution to really follow them and those solutions that they implement should be implemented by us here as well. well, it is a kind of political expediency. i would say that you can argue, popular tiktok is not popular , should we be friends in parallel there with china or should we not be friends, well, my personal opinion time sitting on two chairs is over, we elected our allies, if they take any action, then well, 100%, this is not taken from the ceiling, this is the research conducted, this is the basis, this is the intelligence that says something, that is why i personally trust these decisions . and of course, my opinion is that it should be banned, but what will the government do, who knows artem bidenko, head of the institute

of information security, you have a profile in tiktok, by the way, but i have already deleted the application, so please follow our example . yes, here we go andriy kovalev, religious scholar p andrey congratulations to you glory to ukraine friends glory to heroes death to enemies so we will see now because we only hear but do not see mr. andrii there is a screen in our place. among many ukrainians, the news that the ministry of culture of ukraine is terminating the agreement with the monastery , the man and the national reserve kyiv-pechersk lavra announced the termination of the lease agreement with the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate. the men's monastery that sat in the caves in the lower lavra, and it means that he paid off from there, what does this mean that they are already collecting manatkas or

something because onuphrius said today or today i read today the abbot of this church onuphrius said that it is disrespect there or something actually it is bad for the believers of the uoc m p that they are doing this to us and expelling us from the lavra , so i understand that this is such a message. two weeks on wednesday will happen must happen friends i am a little pessimistic of course this is very good news finally for years i said on the air of the espresso tv channel that the ministry of culture needs to fulfill its functions and constantly monitor the state of the national monument not only that the national archaeological monument

the heart of history, a cultural monument, but also a unesco world heritage because the entire complex of buildings of the kyiv-pechers lavra belongs to the unesco international heritage, i will correct you, mr. vasyl, they are not in caves, but in buildings indeed, in the caves of the lower lavra there are relics of saints, a great shrine of the ukrainian people and of the entire world orthodoxy , and the caves and all the buildings on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra belong to the ukrainian people, but here is the wonder. the ministry of culture discovered something over 30 objects on the territory of the reserve it is unclear by whom and how it was built, and most importantly, when it was built during the time of the moscow patriarchate. and then the key question arises. did the officials from the ministry of culture not see that some kind of

construction work did the employees of the reserve not notice for more than 30 years that some prohibited repair work was being carried out without archaeological research, that is, constant violations, and when i saw the signature under this sentence for the moscow patriarchate under the warning of the acting general director of the reserve, the same one the general director went to all the parties, forgive me for such a rather secular word, to all the parties organized by your mercedes, the same pasha mercedes showered this general director with everyone possible ecclesiastical orders and called him the best friend of the church, that is, pasha mercedes set tasks for him on the phone that he had to perform. that is, i do not really believe in this, in fact, this is a legal requirement for terminating the contract. the territory of the national reserve should be expelled, but it

should not actually harm the monks and monastic community, this is our monastic community, if it wants to remain on the territory of the lavra, it should must distance itself from the russian orthodox church, i.e. from a religious organization with a spiritual center in ukraine, the aggressor in general, when we talk about the lavra now, our ideas are actually about the lavra as a monastery, well, the example of the time of peter i, that the lavra is just a big monastery in which lives one great the monastic community and, in fact , moscow changed a lot of ancient orthodox concepts, for example, in egypt, where the concept of laurels was born. it was a set of monasteries, just monasteries that were located next to each other in general, the lavra is a street on which there are many different monasteries in which there are many different communities of ours and these monastic communities are in fact and

now, for example, in countries such as greece or in other orthodox countries, they are often not connected with each other, this is very there are often different eucharistic communities, so to speak, because the main thing in the monastery is clearly communion , common liturgy, common worship and communion of these monks, so these eucharistic communities did not even cross each other and very often on this one street on one lavra, monasteries can belong to different patriarchates to different bishops, and this was completely allowed in the orthodox world , only the moscow orthodoxy, starting with peter i, drove everyone centrally, and only in russia it was possible to imagine well, now, on the territory of the pechersk lavra, he said in his sermon, so to speak this is metropolitan pavlo lebid, that there are 220 monks living on the territory of the lavra. according to the canons of orthodoxy, nothing prevents another black part of the community or two or three

communities from living in the lavra. for example, one can be subordinated to the ptzu and the metropolitan of epiphany, etc. it can be absolutely easily subordinated to, for example, the ecumenical patriarch or the patriarch of jerusalem, but moscow will never agree to this and now. by the way, march 29 is another day, you know, a kind of rubicon for the monks who are currently in the kiev-pechersk lavra what 220 monks so that they show whether they are really for christ and it is important for them to stay in the lavra and follow the path of salvation or they are for moscow and they will leave the lavra although i do not believe that on march 29, in principle, anyone will leave and i was recently in the lavra pasha mercedes and his henchmen are in no hurry to collect things in the lavra, it is clear that they will delay as long as possible, and on the last day, march 29, they will register some kind of lawsuit against the reserve or against the ministry of culture. and as long as the court proceedings continue , unfortunately, there will be no legal opportunity

to evict them from there, in fact, now they are actively it is necessary to think and agitate those monks who are there that in fact moscow or christ and salvation began to make a choice for them. at the same time, i say that nothing interferes, no canon interferes. this is the political will for, for example, another monastic community to appear on the territory of the kiev-pechersk lavra, for example, of the orthodox church of ukraine, mr. andrii, the cult has already warned these russian priests that, god forbid, they should not steal relics there or other valuables when leaving the kiev-pechersk lavra lavry, how real is this story? well, i remember, do you remember how oksana marchenko, medvedchuk's wife, smelled this skull and said, oh, what a scent, what a scent do you remember now, there is a possibility that

the relics or other ilyumurovs will be stolen, you can take it out of there, for example, suddenly, unfortunately, friends. we have watched with you for the past 20 years that the workers of the kyiv-pechersk lavra reserve either removed themselves from control of the ukrainian shrine or were removed, and very often this can also be explained by the alleged corruption of these workers of the reserve in including the general director of the deputy general directors. i want to remind you that in the past years you and i actively followed such a political series and this is not even the appointment of the director of nabu or the director of dbr it was the appointment of the general director of the kyiv-pechersk lavra of the reserve and there were a lot of candidates and they were called candidates from pasha mercedes, there were candidates from novinskoy, i.e. is it such an interesting position that so many influential groups tried to appoint their general director to a position in the kyiv-pechersk lavra it turns out to be a very important position, because huge money circulates there. well, and most importantly, they actually

administered and took care of the relics of our saints, so to speak , a very large ukrainian shrine, in particular those the miracle-working principals about whom you just spoke are not representatives of the state, not representatives of the kiev-pechersk lavra reserve, but representatives of pasha mercedes, representatives of that monastery of the moscow patriarchate, which is located in which it now rents premises from the state, and what is most important, in fact, these are the same monks of the so -called moscow patriarchate they traded relics because relics are a huge shrine in the entire orthodox world, and in particular when you see in moscow in the cathedral of christ the savior a reliquary with the relics of the saints of kiev-pechersk the laurels, how did they get here? pasha mercedes gave them to folita, that is, give them to patriarch kirill gundyaev, on what basis did these pieces of relics even leave the borders of ukraine? there are many questions for the management

of the reserve and in particular for those people. carry it all over the world, take it out of the territory of ukraine, so you know, it seems to me that the case with kyiv will not be solved with a caveman's laurel . obviously, in this situation, there should be a comprehensive investigation and they should be punished all those officials who for the previous 20 years allowed the arbitrariness of the moscow patriarchate there, among other things, there are the remains of the prime minister of russia peter stolypin, who was killed in kyiv in the 11th year and he is also buried there mr. andriy, but there is one more literally fresh piece of information about the fact that the patriarch of the russian orthodox church kyrylo , aka volodymyr mykhailovych gundyaev, born in the 46th year of birth, operative pseudo mykhaylov , seems to be him, appealed to the pope and the united nations commissioner for human rights, he

complained to them about the illegal exile of the religious community from the kyiv-pechersk lavra this is reported by the press service of the russian orthodox church, the so-called hereinafter, a quote from this address to the pope and the un . the pressure is also a months-long slanderous information campaign with the participation of state media and tv channels, as well as radical politicians , religious and public figures directed against the monastery with calls for its removal from the use of the community and even for violent seizure, said the patriarch of the rpc , well, the head of the rpc added that it was made public by the ukrainian mass media, the document on the termination of the agreement and on the lease. there are not enough legal justifications, the quote is regrettable, the fact that during the declaration by the state leadership of ukraine of its commitment to democratic norms and the european path of development of respect for human rights and freedoms, these rights of freedom are being disrespected in the greatest way today - said the head of the rpc will there be

any reaction and can it affect the situation ? hourly remnants but you know what, what, what is symptomatic, that pasha mercedes, this pavel lebed revived all the sights related to russian history and chauvinist history on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, revived the grave of this pyotr stolypin, who was really killed in kyiv in 1911. the same chauvinist who aspired to the majesty of the russian empire and also revived the grave of the traitors mazepa iskra and kochubey revived the grave of the russian favorite of the russian empress

potemkin tauricheskogo but what is important is not stubbornly revived the grave of, for example, prince ostrozhsky, who was victorious over the muscovites near orsha, for example, and only through the efforts of our lithuanian colleagues, lithuanian politicians , and the pressure of the state of lithuania on ukrainian politicians and the ministry of culture , it was finally possible to partially revive the tomb of prince ostrozhsky. territories of the kyiv-pechersk lavra in order to shout throughout the world, but most importantly, patriarch kirill recognized that in ukraine there is a moscow the patriarchate is here, the moscow patriarchate has been feeding us stories since may that they are not here, that they actually split with the moscow patriarchate, well, on the one hand, if they split, now we can safely call these the remnants of the moscow patriarchate , because we still have them. thank you very much andriy kovalev

religious scholar, we talked about a very important thing, now let's talk about an equally important thing andriy yurash with us yurash extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the holy see mr. andriy greetings good day, thank you for the invitation, glad to be with you you in communication glory to jesus christ mr. andriy glory forever be please comment on the appeal of agent mykhailov operational pseudonym he is gundyaev volodymyr mykhailovych to the holy see to the pope regarding the eviction of the uoc mp from the kyiv-pechersk lavra, he appealed to the un and also to the pope i have already quoted this address , please, well, i just want to start with the only thing today is a very symbolic day. today is the 10th anniversary of the pope's pontificate today, since his election , so there is actually a whole set of questions, in particular

one of these questions, it is clear that this question will be discussed, i think it will be on the agenda, but i want to openly and systematically deny it because we can expect some very powerful or extremely harsh reaction from international organizations or the un or the holy see. we have explained more than once since the spring of last year the real situation in our we explain to the state how all this is actually happening, the real processes in ukrainian society, and i am convinced that the prominent persons in the holy see who are responsible for this area are fully aware that we what kind of situation do we have, including those manipulations, they perfectly understand that the russian church, whose status was once again confirmed by this statement, absolutely acts in the direction of russian propaganda and russian strategy, therefore its own attitude towards all these

russian schemes is quite cautious, on the one hand, the vatican does not want to interfere in internal orthodox relations to find out the nuances and details of the situation in the orthodox world, on the other hand, they cannot help but react to this outright militarism about the military about putin's i would say in a certain sense the anti-christian position of the moscow patriarchate and the fact that we have in ukraine a categorical decrease in supporters of the moscow patriarchate, who , according to the latest sociological studies, are about 4% of those who consciously associate themselves with the moscow patriarchate, probably there are more who go to the church of the moscow patriarchate, but there is a whole set of issues here and, of course , they cannot be counted among the adepts of the moscow patriarchate or the russian world. in many settlements, we still

have no alternative for them to have opportunity to visit something, many have subjective points why they stay within the framework of visiting these temples, but the general trend of the situation is absolutely obvious, and i also want to point out one fundamental thing in this context, which, in my opinion, should be talked about and conveyed every time the opinion of ukrainian society is one of the biggest manipulations of consciousness, one of the most false, which is offered in the context of the statements of the ideologue of the russian world, i.e. waging a hybrid war against ukraine. i have referring to the thesis of the moscow patriarchate, which patriarch kirill tests in his appeal to international organizations and which is constantly used by those who consciously try

to maintain a connection with the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, everyone talks about the alleged persecution of the church, the church as such, the church as an institution, allegedly about the bogoborian choice of this trend which we have in ukraine. this is absolutely false. we are not talking about the struggle, not the struggle, not about the struggle with the church with religious consciousness, but about a specific jurisdiction affiliated with russia, which continues its operation with the existence of which is not in accordance with the absolute majority, this is a matter of principle, but the actual lack of explanation of this thesis puts a lot of people on the verge of certain doubts, therefore , mr. andriy, thank you for one more question. we do not have much time . said commented on the situation regarding his upcoming visit to

ukraine he said next i want to go to kyiv i want to go to kyiv but on the condition that i also go to moscow i will visit or both places or none, nevertheless, well, in ukraine, he has parishioners of his faithful roman catholic church and greek catholic church, 5 million people in russia, such a number, there is no comment about this statement, there is a lot of criticism, i will warn you immediately for one and a half minutes, please, i will try very in short, this is the first time we are talking about this with you, unfortunately this thesis , which is repeated from his previous statements, fully reflects his position and his vision of what we have, that is, support for ukraine as a country that is struggling defends its independence, at the same time, the desire to maintain a link with russia, there are many reasons for this, which you and i have already talked about more than once, including its latin american

origin and certain strategic calculations and the desire to have and build bridges that connect the apostolic capital with basic christian centers for the implementation of many points, including some tactical ones, for example, in the matter of peace building or the approval of certain concepts proposed by the apostolic capital for peace in ukraine and certain strategic things, for example communication with the main centers of christianity, which in the apostolic capital many would like to see as their main strategic base partner in the context of the implementation of very numerous historical schemes . thank you very much, mr. andriy, for joining . thank you for your comments. as on the holy throne francis the first pope of rome congratulations on this we wish you success well now for

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