[000:00:00;00] scientists in research. and in general, that is, what will this confrontation be in the future, we must follow it in chinese documents . by the way, the 23rd year report of ochihua was very interesting. the result is already tension in the taiwan strait. it is clear. and the last question for you today, mrs. vito. please tell me. today we talked about sino-russian relations , sino-american relations in chinese any relations, but agree very often, not often lately, we hear about chinese -ukrainian mutual relations, and this is important for us . please tell me, what level are chinese-ukrainian relations at now ?

was done in this direction, and our war is very inconvenient for them, as they say, they don’t even call it a war, they say a conflict, a crisis that has dragged on, that affects supply chains, hinders the development of their belt and road initiative, for example, belarus is active participant in this initiative and they announced this peace plan so-called yes position to actually under pressure yes to express some kind of position their participation was very little during this invasion it was a small humanitarian aid at the beginning of the invasion in 1.5 million channels of the red cross then recently they made a contribution to the iaea for the technical maintenance of nuclear facilities in ukraine, that is, they are watching a little bit about this war

, they are commenting one-sidedly. they will be a little active in our grandfrom ukraine program, because in their plan they expressed, let's say, support for the export of food products from ukraine, that is , they talked about it and after the visit of guterres to kyiv, there will probably be some next steps, we are also watching this, but in general, what i i see dialogues of communication will continue on international platforms within the framework of the un within the framework of the magathe of other international institutions, so far there is no direct dialogue between diplomats between the heads of state, and this is a pity ms. vito. thank you very much for participating in to my program today thank you for expertly explaining our relations with china and also explaining what is happening around the celestial empire and its relations with other countries. it was vita holod, the head of the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies before introducing her

next guest. let me briefly say that 145 people answered to the question i asked on youtube: is russia behind the protests in georgia and moldova? 85% think so, 12% no, and 3% have their own option. join the vote, join as well. see us on youtube or on the air right now, by the way, only 88 people are watching our program on the main channel, i ask you to call your friends who you know, let them watch, it will be informative. well, i am ready to introduce my next guest in order to talk with her and about the protests in georgia, this is margarita akhvlediani, the editor-in-chief of jam news hello margarita hello

, please tell me if i ask you in ukrainian, you will understand better in russian. i can speak the carrier in english, but we don’t have a simultaneous carrier so that margarita translates for you. please tell me, is it possible to read the review of the law on foreign agents in georgia as the victory of the georgian people or something else? i’m asking why because i read about it on the internet that the leaders of the opposition have already stated a few days ago that this should not be the end and that they will have them. yes, this is the victory of the georgian people, i would say, first of all, this is the victory of the georgian people, not the opposition, because the protests that were organized in connection with the idea of ​​adopting this monstrous law on foreign agents turned out at least 100,000 people, and it was not the opposition's merit

the opposition was one, they were participants in the protests, but the protests were not organized and they were self-organized , so this is a people's victory . an application made by the government here is an example of an interview yesterday, a huge interview in which the prime minister of a pro-government tv channel says that this is one small step on the road that we have to go through, and it is a little scary, on the one hand, there is a large-scale information attack, i would say from the side of russia who are fueling a wave that has nothing to do with the real situation today in

georgia everyone is getting ready for the start of the war in abkhazia, and in abkhazia they are so scared of this situation that they put the army on martial law and make a statement to political scientists , warning georgia against anything, but in georgia itself, no one is going anywhere , and we are not talking about any kind of war we need a war with our own government , figuratively speaking , a war. again, so that we return to the road on which we have been standing until now. what is the second thing for us now here and provocation from russia is responding to it today because the georgian government has left all of us with garibashila's interview and as we can see now according to the statements of western politicians

tom hryboshvili , the prime minister of georgia, stated that the west is forcefully pushing georgia to war. what he did, they defame all those 100,000 who were on the street and even more who followed it and supported it and remained in social networks. he humiliates everyone with these statements that the rallies were paid for or there were satanists or there are some other completely abnormal statements and statements already made today, this is the european parliament, but statements made by western politicians who are outraged and require some kind of comments, explanations, at least the sources will name such wild statements as

, for example, that 100 members of the european parliament corrupt against the background of this situation and confident declared authorities that the law was very good and they simply care about the people and the opposition wanted blood and the killing of young people, but they did not allow this , so they revoked the law, that is, they present a version of the event that is exactly what happened, and this is unfortunately says that we still have more to come, this is all that i see next to me on the screen, that you are showing this horror that we experienced and there is nothing left behind, i am afraid that we are at the beginning of the path , it is very bad tell me, please, here you are already told the words of prime minister garibashvili about satanists, this is very reminiscent of what they say about ukraine in russia , satanists are fighting in ukraine, nazis are fighting and so on and so on you know now that our events are developing so quickly, if you had asked me this question a month ago

, probably i would have said that in my opinion the path is obvious, but it’s difficult for me to present arguments, but now i can say exactly and with a guarantee that there is no doubt that there are comments who absolutely agree with you about satanists and nazis about fascists about terrorists because he has already called the two leading political parties oppositional terrorist organizations , including literally quotes from the law that the bill they proposed is a copy of the russian law and a statement about what it is as if the model of the american law is also a copy of what was said in russia, that is, even the statement they were such a feeling as if they learned it by heart and followed putin or some other russian politicians just many years ago. when this law was adopted in russia today , you can’t doubt that the government is in some way and it’s not clear

why it sings from the kremlin’s voice, and what’s even more frightening is that we actually know it today a statement was made by the european parliament and it was said that we do not understand why georgia supports and goes together with the sinking and dying terrorist country russia when it stood on the way to europe and to it there are so many friends who lead her on this path. why, that is, why, we also have this question, and i myself. this is how a journalist can answer. apparently, today, the authorities and the ruling party are most concerned about the desire to stay in power, that is, they are probably most interested in this. the future is neither the population nor anything else, but remaining in power - this means it will strangle the free media, it will strangle non-governmental organizations, who will support georgia on this path, who except russia, and apparently

that is why this strange wild abnormal tandem that threatens the lives of this particular one of our children margarita and tell me, please, the leadership of georgia, a few days ago, she accused the leadership of ukraine that we support protesters in tbilisi. not from the point of view well, how can this be explained in georgia ? how can it be explained in georgia? that zelensky intervenes in the events in georgia and tries to return georgia to the war, he said it directly, he named the names of klitschko, he named other ukrainian politicians and called them crazy, and it is not known

who is crazy, that is, he used words that are completely impossible. until now, this has never happened he really stopped there and continued to talk about ukraine being at war and i will not say anything more. i want the war to end and peace to come. this is the wording. that is, frankly speaking, i cannot i don't know what else should happen, that is, how else relations between ukraine and georgia can deteriorate , unless there is a recall of some ambassadors or there is a diplomatic interruption, but i can say that today and here there is a public watershed in front of the absolute majority in society and the government because at the rallies we sang our national anthem and we sang the ukrainian national anthem and at the rallies there were ukrainian flags, there were no fewer than georgian and european union flags , many girls came to

these rallies wearing such ukrainian ones, that is, children ukrainian ribbons were tied, that is, everywhere we have inscriptions and flags in support of ukraine, we are with you, the absolute majority of the society here, too, there is complete disagreement with the government, and i think that the strength of the georgian society, the georgian society, is strong enough that you will not allow the authorities to do anything some decisive steps in the direction of russia against ukraine and to really open up georgia, this is the period of hope. even before the victory, i believed at these protests that we were strong enough not to allow them to take away our future but now i also think that it is possible, you know, what scares me is the population of ukraine, the size of ukraine and the size of georgia. georgia is less than 4 million and there are three russian bases around us, one of them is so close that you can get there by car in i don't

know half an hour, it's 30 km, that is, this is a tiny little country with a corresponding army , which, no matter how powerful it is, even if it is the strongest in the world, it is too small next to russia , and this inspires enormous fear fear and here lavrov made a statement with threats to georgia and no comment from the authorities, therefore where are we against soldiers with bare hands against our government, we fought against badametov and gaza but if there is an invasion, what will happen when the own government makes such statements georgia is alarming and very dangerous of a troubling situation, margarita and we are his last question for today to you. now tell me, please, but the leadership of each country in the world makes some kind of forecasting

before adopting this or that law in in the case of the law that we are talking about, there was probably also forecasting in the georgian government, and they probably knew that if this law were passed, it could cause mass protests. and more than that, there are already statements not only from independent lawyers from independent organizations, but today, for example , even a lawyer who works for our shadow oligarch, who is considered the shadow ruler of georgia, made a statement said that why was it necessary to adopt a law when you did not work on it and in which you did not have answers for society to the questions why did you do it so much? only one of them talks to each other, and

they convince each other and begin to believe that they are society and that society thinks like them, and then they do actions and suddenly it turns out that there was a king in this fairy tale тоболы they discovered it only after we went out on the street i i think it's stupidity some kind of political senseless ridiculous step i don't have a second thank you margarita thank you very much for participating in my program and for answering my questions it was margarita ah vladiani is the editor -in-chief of jam news and we obviously talked with her about what was happening in georgia. i mean the protests that started against the adoption of the law on foreign agents and that may continue other reasons, the conversation was very interesting. well, as always, i want to remind you that on youtube, we asked you a question on a channel specially created for the world during the war. this time it is: is russia behind the protests in georgia and moldova

? voted 235 people, for which i am very grateful to you, thank you 84% believe that this is the case, 12% think that it is not and 3% have their own version, but you can read your version already. rather, not your version, but their version of the people who voted for it, you can read it after that how about me, the program will be broadcast, and now we are watched on the website, which was created especially for our program, by 1,218 people. i am very, very grateful to each of you for joining us and watching us, so i was told that our next guest is not there yet. i am very interested in the news, yes, how interesting it is, it is not interesting. it simply shows the mood that currently prevails in russian society , so the levada center conducted another survey and asked ordinary russians who they

consider to be the greatest evil, or is it a fact even they asked in a different way who you dislike the most and there were several answer options: the united states of america , europe was obviously ukraine, yes, the results are very interesting, well, interesting, of course, in quotes, yes, the most russians dislike the united states of america, and this is predicted 73% do not like europe 69 % means they treat her badly. and 69% treat ukraine badly, they don't like ukraine, and we can see that putin's propaganda machine works and it works very effectively . if you set the americans up against everyone from us well, i am ready to introduce my next and last guest for today - this is oleksandr kraev, expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prism, mr. oleksandr, as always glad to see you. glory to ukraine, heroes

, glory to each other, yuri, mr. oleksandr, let us know that there will be a pan-european-american theme but let's start with the united states of america. i am very worried that kevin mccarthy, the leader of the majority rather than the house of representatives of the united states of america , refused to come to ukraine, it could be an unpleasant bell for us, considering that the republican party has been making statements that are unpleasant for us for several months , even about the fact that it should be reduced , about the fact that it is necessary to somehow very strongly control where the money goes and in general whether should we give this money to ukraine if we have , for example, our own border in the south ? please tell me, this refusal of mccarthy to go to ukraine is bad, in fact, it is not a very good signal

, it primarily indicates that in our diplomatic work was added because mccarthy, after he fell out with trump and left the tropical wing, he was considered a moderate republican , that is, he was really the one who proposed the transfer of additional checks, he was the one who proposed sending more monitoring sites to ukraine regarding the use of both financial and military aid, that is indeed, mccarthy insisted that the way we spend money should be monitored more carefully, there was nothing wrong with these commissions and sent before us, the experts showed good results, but this refusal of his is more accurate even the wording of this refusal that i already know everything and i have enough information that comes to me. this is simply an indicator of the fact that , unfortunately, we need to convince even more of our partners that this kind of help is needed unfortunately, we see that even moderate republicans in the congress are becoming more ske , i.e. now, in essence, we, our diplomacy , media analytics, will have to spend much

more effort to maintain that the level of aid that we currently have. that is, it is not critical, it is not that the day after tomorrow the congress will vote to cancel the aid, but it still means that we will have to spend much more effort to maintain the level of relations that we have now do we have and are there more mccarthys in congress now, or should we be wary of this? in fact , there may be more, that is, as i said, he was from the moderate camp, the moderate camp currently includes about 25% of republican politicians, and so far they is stable on our side, but if mccarthy starts making such statements , well, there may be a risk that some of his group, let's call it that , will also take the side of such greater skepticism. if we used to fight only with the trumpists, who have about 20 people for the whole party, then now well, there will be more let's say the points of contact where we will need to work out the messages, well, god forbid, give

wisdom, god give wisdom to our politicians so that they know how to work through all this, mr. oleksandr. please tell me the meeting of the prime minister of great britain rishi suneka with the president of france emmanuel macron, which took place on saturday in paris, and after that they went to a press conference and said in unison that we will support well, first of all, they announced that a new stage of relations between great britain and france begins and they assured that france and great britain will continue to help ukraine as much as necessary for our victory . please tell me your opinion. is it possible to talk about what is in europe? in europe, a kind of a new anti-putin coordination center has emerged, in fact, and here it is very important to say that they made this statement for a reason, they made this statement at a time when britain and france need to show

unity. that is, relatively speaking, this is in the positive segment of their cooperation. well, here we need a little to analyze this visit was necessary for both sunak and macron, because right now britain, france and britain, the european union, on two tracks, are on the way to solving all their problematic issues, first of all, this northern ireland, the trade agreement on the distribution of waters in the english channel, the distribution of waters in the north sea, that is, in fact, finally, a seven-year epic with crises and conflicts in the relations between london and brussels-london is ending, and it is very cool that this is in this positive format. that is, we are finally ending the crisis. everything will be good they said and in continuation of the positive we will be together for ukraine that is, first of all, this is an indicator that this topic is really unifying, as well as the completion of brexit, this topic is positive and one on which both sides agree and indeed as you rightly said, this means that in the new agenda, that is, in the post-brexit world

, when britain and the eu have finally agreed, ukraine will become part of their common agenda and this is really a very, very positive signal and it is really good mr. oleksandr help please help me and all our viewers understand a rather complex, well, incomprehensible topic , northern streams 2 and explosions on northern streams 2, a bunch of different studies, hersh tells one thing, and the new york times writes about completely different, today i read that they wrote in moscow that it was not profitable for ukraine to undermine these northern streams 2 and they have nothing to undermine it. these explosions are actually difficult to say, because they were beneficial to many people, if there is too much to weave a conspiracy theory, they were even beneficial to the russians, because the russians

finally understood that the stage of normal gas relations with europe was ending for them in they are running out of opportunities to use these streams as an element of influence on europeans and therefore make a diversion to show that this is such an evil europe, either from the states or evil ukraine, here you just have to choose, it was also in their hands, it was also in the hands of some europeans who wanted to finally stop this influence there were narco-americans who needed to make a new system of energy relations with europeans, that is, to find in fact who it was most beneficial to, it was quite difficult, everyone had their own interests, but you can try to understand who benefited from these throwaways right at this stage, we see that in approximately the same informational time slot , we receive quite a lot of ukrainian-skeptic messages, that is, as we said to you at the beginning, mccarthy is coming out , some european leaders are coming out, including orban who say that well, it is necessary to review it somehow, it is necessary to think about a new level of relations with russia, it is necessary to think about how it will move

forward, there are many experts who say that the west will not be able to support ukraine in this way in the future, and again the same message that we only have time until september to resolve all our issues, and against this background , we began to talk about the fact that it was ukraine in general, that ukraine could be a provocateur, and why are you communicating with such a country that itself arranges terrorist attacks, that is, an information dump this one was sufficiently beneficial for the russians, it was beneficial for the russians because it is again an increase in the trend towards ukrainian skepticism , were these explosions in themselves maximally beneficial for the russians, this is a debatable question, but regarding information dumps and these information provocations. my opinion is that this is actually part of what russia is doing, which is spreading skeptical sentiments in ukraine, spreading doubts that ukraine should be supported and spreading doubts that the western policy and the policy of the united effort towards ukraine are correct , and that is why they are probably now

that's exactly what they're saying, considering the last statement that oh no, it's not us at all, it's not ukraine, it 's us, it's not us here, well, it's not profitable for us , that's why it's probably true, and because a lot of details have been revealed, what in general the ship that was allegedly involved in the explosions, the final point of its route was st. petersburg, and there is no more report, it still did not come out. it is there, if i am not mistaken, that is, in fact, the russians seem to have been burned by their own provocations. well , god forbid that they get burned as soon as possible, mr. oleksandr the last question for you for today. please tell me. lukashenko went to china. he arrived happy that he concluded a bunch of contracts. he went to iran in iran and will also conclude a contract in your professional opinion . please tell me, these are not contracts. he went there. goes to arrange means economic, of course, we just have to look. well, from an informational point of view, i can absolutely clearly analyze what is happening, if we look at lukashenko's rhetoric, both in iran and in china, the message is the same, and the psychological political message is the

same but lukashenko is looking for a protector, a vassal, he is looking for a new suzerain because he realized that the previous king could not provide him with his possession of his fief, he would not be able to provide him with a succession to the throne for his descendants, and that is why he is looking for himself i had to come from the arena, you just look at his communication with raisi, his communication with sedzenpin, in fact , here we are. we haven't seen you for a long time, but in fact this partnership is what will save both countries. we need to communicate more closely. where would we be without you? these few years so that we understand how indispensable our cooperation really is. well, everything indicates that lukashenko is beginning to doubt putin's ability to protect him, his family and his regime, and lukashenko as an old, experienced unfortunately, lukashenko understands that he needs a golden parachute

, he needs a way out of this situation, which may be ripe when putin's regime really falls and he finally began to understand it, that is, despite the fact that it is of course bad that dictators unite but for us, this is lukashenko's doubt in putin , on the contrary, it can be perceived as a rather positive signal that our enemies are beginning to distrust each other. now we should wait for his train , probably somewhere in latin america, maybe maybe to north korea. it seems to me that they will get along very, very well both psychologically and in terms of their common views on america and the west . it seems to me that it will either be a visit to the high school graduation who recently called putin a great warrior for some reason , or a visit to a kim thank you very much, mr. oleksandr, as always, it is very nice to communicate with you and listen to your professional answers to my questions, this was oleksandr kraev , an expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prisma, and we talked with him about such things around

american problems around europe are obviously related to ukraine . well, the time of our program is gradually coming to an end , this means that we need to see how the voting is going on our youtube channel , 320 people have voted at the moment , the answer to the question is this: is russia behind the protests in georgia and moldova, 83% of those who took part in gave answers to the question think no, 12% think no, and 4% have their own version. you can read your version after the program ends and youtube publishes it and now we are watching 1437 people and i emphasize that these are only those people who watch us on a specially created youtube channel for the world at war program. thank you very much to all of you. thank you very much to everyone who watched on the air. thank you for being with us. well, i have time