[000:00:00;00] to ukraine well, the time of our program is gradually coming to an end, this means that we need to see how the voting is going on our youtube channel , 320 people have voted so far, the answer to the question is this: is russia behind the protests in georgia and moldova, 83% of those who took part in gave answers to the question 12% think no, and 4% have their own version , you can read your version after the program ends and youtube will publish it and now 1437 people are watching us and i emphasize that that these are only those people who watch us on a specially created youtube channel for the world at war program. thank you very much to all of you. thank you very much to everyone who watched on the air. thank you for being with us. well, i have time for

today to finish the program, see you next week but don't switch now because our broadcast continues and it is being picked up my colleague serhii rudenko and his verdict serhii i congratulate you on the word yura congratulations thank you literally in a few seconds we will start the verdict glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, march 13, 383 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers navalny's film won the oscar for the best documentary film the situation around bakhmut remains difficult wagner's assault units are advancing from several directions trying to break through the defenses of our troops and advance to the central areas city ​​this was reported by the syrian general, the leader of china xi jinping may visit russia next week, where he will meet with the president

of the russian federation, vladimir putin, sometimes the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of march 13, russia has already lost 159,800 people in ukraine in the last day alone , the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 710 orks since the beginning of the already great war, the russians have already lost 3,474 tanks and 6,774 armored combat vehicles 2,503 artillery systems, 493 multiple-launch rocket systems , 259 air defense systems, 304 aircraft , 289 helicopters, 5,354 units of motor vehicles, 18 ships, boats, 907 cruise

missiles, 21,109 drones, 251 units of special techniques about how lavrov promises to take revenge for the arctic ocean oscar for the film navalny and why in ukraine they want to rename russia to muscovy , we will talk about all this for the next hour i want to introduce the guest of today's program, he is a diplomat, politician, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america 15 2019 valery chaliy mr. valery good day good health to you and glad to see you on our air i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes let's start with the oscars because today social networks in ukraine is full of comments about the victory of navalny's film at the film academy of the united states of america. navalny's film won the oscar 2023 in the nomination for the best full-length documentary film

. navalny's wife yulia came to los angeles. my husband is in prison simply for telling the truth. my husband is in prison. in prison simply for defending democracy oleksiy against ukraine because they say that after the war putin and his team will be responsible for the unleashed war and not all russians, in fact, this is a very difficult topic, i will start by saying that i do not consider the oscars and the award ceremony to be the most important event for ukraine today , in fact, there are many other things for us. there is attention and it will be necessary to fight. and further, but the oscar is not the only platform, so it is not necessary to somehow

reduce everything to this discussion now about them. actually, well, it is far from the truth, it is all political and the problem is only that we we don't understand that there are narratives and discussions taking place in a completely different way, that's why it's most likely about the mainstream that they have , they are talking now about the struggle of authoritarianism with democracy, that is , the administration of the president of the united states even took up such a topic against authoritarianism, therefore, in principle , this type of story falls into the canvas today, well, the mainstream main idea, and it was filmed in a movie, it was filmed before, so i will only tell you my impression , the movie itself is very subjective, despite the fact that it is cnn, hbo did not lie to me, it did not make any impression

i seriously took part in the promotion as the ambassador of ukraine to the usa of our film in 2016. by the way, as ukraine is also a joint production of the usa, but it was officially nominated if it was from ukraine and we supported the president, supported at all levels, supported him, he got into the nomination, then i will say that well, that the film winter in the fire is very much better in its essence and fuju than what we saw now , especially for those for whom navalny is not an idol, and for me he is definitely not to any extent , moreover, if you watch this film and i if you look at him carefully, you will see navalny from many different angles, and this is definitely not the idol of the liberation of the world, it is definitely not gandhi or someone else, unfortunately, because how it will play out in this general discourse for the world is difficult

to say, maybe and not in our favor, but what we we have to take into account today what kind of world information platforms we need to fight for and not just be offended , this is a fact. the fact is that keeping the focus of attention for a year is already a great achievement. therefore , it will be much more difficult now , there will simply be no applause for the exit of the president of ukraine you have to fight for every platform . and i emphasize that this year, despite the fact that there was a documentary film, a good film co-produced with sweden, denmark, germany , finland, the house, but the film nominated by ukraine, it was not, or was presented by the oscar committee of ukraine, it did not get the klondike nomination. therefore, we had to focus on support for real films that could win. this had to be done , including a house made of rocks. i don't remember that

there was such a thing. there was such support and publicity at all levels. it had to be done or taken. the same film by the athenian friedman-fai and the lights, that is, from a very film that could absolutely win in a bulk film because well, what can i say, we must act and we must once again tell you to understand that the competition for attention will grow, i mentioned the oscar for a reason because we we know that on the eve of the presentation of this film award, zelenskyy appealed , the ukrainian side appealed that zelenskyy speak before the high jury and before the nominees who gathered in the hall, he was refused, so in principle, why am i talking about navalny and why am i talking about

political undertones because it is very important , as you say , to keep the attention of the world audience on those problems and on russia's war against ukraine . he will visit ukraine, we will hear zelenskyy. he spoke today with the new president of the czech republic, pavel, a good conversation, a partnership, about defense against a terrorist state, about our joint defense of europe , he thanked for the support already provided by the czech republic. things that we can still do jointly invited mr. president to visit ukraine in general this week was active as always for ukraine, the visits of the prime minister of finland, the minister of defense of norway, the secretary general of the un guterres, the leaders of the ruling german social democratic party, a conversation with ursula fonderlein , the president of the european commission, all this gives

the results, in particular, we have a significant increase in air defense . i thank norway for this. we have new agreements on the diplomatic front, mr. valery. how would you describe international support now, because we see an active december and a very active january in world politics around ukraine, then joseph biden's visit to ukraine, to kyiv, then to warsaw today how would you characterize the current state, that is, the world is getting used to the fact that there is a war in ukraine and that there are other world problems that they are forced to solve and doesn't it seem to us that this attention to us is getting a little weaker, i can agree with you in principle, this could have been clearly predicted

, i say once again that this is a huge result that kept the world's attention for a year of a full-scale war and even earlier also attracted attention of the world since the 14th year of the russian war against ukraine, but now it is necessary to understand that , for example, after the signing of an agreement or an agreement between saudi arabia and iran through the mediation of china , more voices are beginning to be heard in the same united states. that it is necessary to look at the middle east, because there the united states seems to is losing its influence, the same situation is the same in other points. well, you see, china has entered the game and it is necessary to focus on this, that is , for the whole world, it will be further.

the plan will be in focus but among further further among others look at the american intelligence report well, in principle, in my opinion, it is a little too much for development, if it is so superficial , well, that is, there are no details at all. other issues are the problematic issues of china, india, india , pakistan, i.e., moments that arise in countries with populist governments, so i think that of course, the russians often help with their beastly actions, they help with murders. i have i mean in quotes to attract the attention of the world, but the only thing that can really work now. in this regard, it is really positive the successes of ukraine at the front. well, i will say one thing, we, i think

the culmination somewhere on the front, we can already see it, somewhere it is approaching, and here is the culmination of geopolitical such serious discussions. it has not yet come, but we still need to understand that no matter how we concentrate our efforts on the front, this is the main thing, of course. and the front is one. let's be honest. i don't understand this there, the energy front, the economic front, even i will tell you despite the corporate solidarity, the diplomatic front, what are these fronts, this is an activity that is very important and helps those who are on the front , the front - this is absolutely clear where people are killed, where people give their lives, and where there is a clash of armies, that's why it is, but no less important, this activity is diplomatic, now diplomacy is returning and it is very important not to lose the peace

, that is, there are different interpretations of these words, but in my understanding, it is necessary to lay the foundation for fixing ukrainian security after the deoccupation of the territory already today. well, there are some such small signals that merge through the mass media, there is some small criticism of our partners, as it happened just now, through a political newspaper, which actually, well, can give information in different ways, which it received from closed sources, but in this case, it seems to me that it is really one from the white house, the signals went through this option because the authors of the material in politics - these are people who have access and know personally the house, that is, they are all these cracks , what is written, they need our attention, we need

to fix it well, but also do not react very sharply because, in principle, it is not about the fact that in some way the support of the united states will decrease, so the focus of attention is once again trust with partners, which means correct actions inside the country and the consolidation of all ukrainian forces, that is, our internal forces, this is also one of the points that at this stage, it is critically important that we really do not have any actions of manifestations that would distract us from the main issue well , at the same time i will say that the discussion of the peace of the results of the war is timely, this word is not timely

, we must forget it, that is, now everything is only timely everyone must take a responsible position and take a responsible pro-ukrainian position, the government's dialogue should be not only with the world , the dialogue should be not only with the majority of the population of ukraine , but with the active part of civil society, without this, this victory we are talking about will be very difficult, and this understanding i hope will come in the publication of the policy that you mentioned refers to the fact that there are disagreements between kyiv and washington regarding the entire war and regarding the undermining of the nord stream , this is actively commented on by various means of mass information in the world and talk about what the ukrainian special services are calling some ukrainian oligarch well, a lot of different information appears, but the main thing is that, as the journalist's solid interlocutors , politicians and high-ranking officials of the administration of the united states of america claim that

a large-scale counteroffensive in the spring may be undermined due to the fact that the ukrainian army spends a lot of manpower and ammunition in bahmut, well, and regarding the future advance of ukrainian troops in relation to crimea, you can explain and what exactly is the ukrainian side does it wrong in order to receive such a reaction in return , i will not interpret it because i will tell you from my experience that there were various articles in the politician, including at one time there was an article that was completely unfair, which caused very serious consequences for ukraine when the narrative of russian intervention was replaced by intervention ukraine has an election and it was done, now it is known exactly by whom, from which submission and respectable journalists wrote the article, and then when they were called to be questioned, they

said how it really was, then they were released from this edition and the editor resigned, therefore, the politician published various articles in this case, i simply assume that it is not just a discussion, what i assume. this is my version of non-conspiracy, because well, a journalist who has access to the white house, who asked questions to president trump about helsinki, do you remember when he asked who the president of the united states trusts more, putin or his special services, he is the kind of person who hosts tomorrow's show on msnbs, that is , a person known in the world cannot simply sign a material that has no basis before and since he was a correspondent in the white house for a very long time and continues to have these contacts, i think with a high probability that he received sources from the white house, so i conclude that such discussions

are taking place. is this some kind of official position of the united states? nothing changes, but it is simply necessary in order to pay attention to see where events can unfold, it is necessary to understand, for example, it is said that we have bipartisan support in congress, but at the same time there is a small group of republicans who put the question of greater control of assistance to ukraine in the field of defense supplies. well, they have already responded, invited people, came to check, it should be done further, that is, i think that it is calm about the situation of others, what is mentioned there, well, bakhmut, for example , i do not know how to comment at all. i trust the positions of our armed forces of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces there by the decision of the supreme commander-in-chief, because this is the thing that must be done in the national

interests, here everyone already takes their responsibility, so i don't want to play along with that who uses such materials as right there, we will have a difficult situation , but i would also like them not to ignore , carefully pay attention to how to prevent these or other situations from happening . in this way, these articles can be skipped. well , we have already mentioned the northern stream . russian foreign minister sergey lavrov does not threaten anyone regarding the explosions on the russian lawn, nord stream, however, claims that russia is thinking about the response of the west in case of blocking an objective investigation , we will see lavrov. i don't want anyone threatens to threaten anyone and i don't want to hint at anything, but i just know that this

is the worst terrorist attack . and if an objective and impartial investigation is blocked , which will be transparent and which will not be reduced to that, well, here's something the swedes and the germans decided well, let it mean there, this will be the final verdict , of course we will think about how the west will respond to this direct attack, a direct attempt on our property, by and large , the russians are famous for the fact that they themselves as lavrov says, they blow up residential buildings and then accuse terrorists of your name. this is the whole story that is unfolding. now before our eyes regarding the northern flow

of accusations towards the ukrainian special services or people hired by the ukrainian special services , some unnamed big businessman from the side of ukraine is this you ordered everything , mr. valery, which version do you believe more or are you more inclined to believe that it was the russians who started everything and did it with the northern stream in order to later blame the whole world for it what do you see, moscow opposes world capitalism and tries to protect itself in some way, well, foreign or international policy is not a matter of faith, i say once again that i do not engage in conspiracy theories, i do not believe a single word of the propagandist you showed because recently in india he said that ukraine attacked russia not the other way around, which caused a rehydromerica in the hall in

india, because listening to him, what he calls terrorism, is not a beating. i have celentin and does not speak about the responsibility of his country . he played such a role before, and he says completely different things, what can be commented here regarding issues that require investigations, the war crimes supported by lavrov, which are committed by putin, that need to be investigated first of all, that is , i have a great fear that they will not go unpunished, this crime, that is, first of all, a the fact that they always want to divert attention before shifting the attention of the world somewhere is well. obviously, this is a constant and understandable tactic, so as for a specific

situation, i can just, well, just tell you to say that i do not accept the story with the yachts with some tourists there who could carry out such actions, that is, it is obvious that this is not the case and that is why, of course, we will know later, but now there are too many other crimes of events in this war. excuse me for the last time, i will quote him and show him that he says that the zone of interests of the united states of america is now spreading to the whole world, and the countries that border russia should understand how dangerous this course is. we will see lavrov again. to all the countries that are located around russia the federation should draw conclusions from how

dangerous is the course of introducing the new zone into the zone of responsibility of the united states of america into the zone of interest of the united states. by the russian federation, they include ukraine in this zone, because we remember how with the beginning of the great war, before the beginning of the great war, putin put forward an ultimatum to the western world, including it should not be desirable for the north atlantic alliance to expand further to the east to return to the conditional borders of russia and nato in 1997. what does lavrov now want from the west and from the united states of america, because this rhetoric, one way or another, will later be transformed into some actions

of the kremlin well, this shows that if you take what he says at face value, or not what he says , but what, in fact, is how they do it. a group of countries that also think in approximately the same light, well, we are talking about the countries of the global south, or the same countries around russia, it is very unfortunate that these are countries around russia, such as kazakhstan. they don't understand what it will all lead to, or they understand it too well and therefore, in my opinion, they mistakenly want to simply draw out these consequences, so

russia is simply playing along now , the russian top of china, especially on the eve of the meeting , i think that they will just shape this a common platform based on anti-americanism is the main thing, which, by the way, is a good thing, as they say, it will enter russian society. well, how to evaluate the consequences , we will see, they want to form a bipolar world. china is very interested in china being the united states, the fact that everything else was on the side of one or another country, but how will it be it is difficult to look further, it is difficult to say now, all these statements are russian . they often go precisely so that there are three reasons or three main such ideas in them, or they want to distract attention from the murders

of ukrainians, that is, showing about some a hypothetical or i don't know fake war with nato or with the usa is what they are selling to their voters because there will be elections there next year, that is, the second is warming up china and trying to play in the same team with china well, of course, in secondary roles, but all of russia now remains - i emphasize this once again, they want to get out of the war in order to avoid responsibility, and this worries me more than anything because, well, the results of the war, because now i am trying to blur this situation , at least where they listen not only to our statements or the statements of our allies, that is why the situation

understood in general, this is not the first time there are lies, there are some statements, our task will remain to hold our line, attracting more support in different regions of the world, more understanding of the same india, brazil, the south african republic. perhaps, after all, if not without support, then conveying some of our information to china that is, directly so that there is no speculation, because the chinese also do not like when they are falsely framed, you mentioned that the world perceives this information in different ways, and we already talked at the beginning of the program about the meeting of the g20 in new delhi, where lavrov was laughed at after he said that russia is defending itself and trying to stop the war in ukraine . there was laughter when you say that someone is trying to blur or the question of blurring the responsibility of russia for the war

crimes they committed in ukraine is being discussed. who are we talking about now? at what level can it be discussed and whose voices can be decisive in order to blur this responsibility ?