[000:00:00;00] well, an interesting conversation. well, let's move on, igor, and about what is happening there and what geopolitical changes await us in the near future. mr. igor, we congratulate you. good day. good day. i congratulate you. well, let's start analyzing now the great shuttle diplomat, in particular , it is about the next big visit of oleksandr lukashenko this time to iran, we understand that iran is now beginning to play an increasingly important role in the middle east, in particular , taking into account the fact that they managed

to come to an understanding with the saudis, with or without the help of the chinese, and so lukashenko have now been dispatched in this direction, let me remind you that in addition to his purely russian travels , lukashenko also distinguished himself with a visit to the celestial sphere. he represents putin's interests and discusses messages with the chinese and syrians or conveys messages that have been agreed with the russian president. i think this is largely due to the fact that he cannot now putin is free to move to other countries, and lukashenko is chosen as one of these avatars of putin. in principle, i understand that this suits all parties, well, at least

a certain horizon opens up for lukashenka . he turns out to be such an outcast with whom no one wanted to communicate. well, it is obvious that lukashenko is trying to strengthen the cooperation of these countries, the turks, iran, china, russia, belarus in the direction of the formation of this so-called so-called axis of evil, well, accordingly, we understand that moscow may have run out of staff diplomats if they start using lukashenka as a diplomatic courier of particularly secret or particularly delicate missions, so to speak. so , in your opinion, what can lukashenko try to solve in

iran, for russia, for himself, and in general, how could this axis of pro-russian evil be formed , and on the other hand, what happened to lukashenko putin and i don't have very friendly relations , what do you think? well, i think you understand. the first person is a representative of a union state and a sovereign country for the time being, and this, of course, looks much more powerful than the position of the countries where lukashenko is visiting, respectively, than a representative of the diplomacy of the diplomatic service or special service or the security council will come because it is simply another level

. the second point, i think that it is very beneficial for lukashenko now at least enlist the support of these countries, even in order to support their production and to ensure possible part of economic cooperation or part of their economy, military by military by military cooperation. i think that this version is going around, it is completely justified that both china and iran can use the territory of belarus in order to build on this territory the capacities of the military-industrial complex that would provide the russian army, but at the same time neither iran nor china seem to violate sanctions and work with another sovereign country , that is, in this case, belarus acts

as a kind of russian backyard, yes . that is, it is quite profitable, it is profitable for lukashenka, because these are resources - this is money, and this strengthens it positions, his opportunities, and accordingly, constant meetings with influential players. i mean the first one, of course, they also add weight to him, that is, it should be understood that he is at least a person who does not give a hand, he has already turned into a person who consults with quite serious political players mr. igor would also like to dwell separately on the relations between iran and saudi arabia, they agreed to restore diplomatic relations after long scandals there, due to which they actually did not

exist for the last five years and actually new york the times writes that such a pact between these countries can change the middle east and deprive the united states of america of influence in this region on the arab countries. what do you actually think about this? well, the new york times differs in its original versions and it does a lot of this stuff . let's start with the fact that relations have really worsened and they worsened in connection with the punishment of a shiite preacher who was beheaded and, accordingly , then there was a rather bad storming of the saudi arabian embassy in tehran, well, accordingly, after that, the parties broke off diplomatic relations, i cannot say that after the return of the countries to diplomatic

relations between these two countries , an alliance was formed, this is far from the truth. let's put it this way, anti-clerical sentiments are supported by information and actively support the iranian rebels, while iran continues to support the shiite opponents of the sunni government and continues to provide support for shiite organizations and military organizations in yemen and in and in lebanon in lebanon and syria, that is, in this case, nothing has changed, and therefore we can only speak of

a certain success of chinese diplomacy in this direction. before, china was not distinguished by such diplomatic blitzkriegs. now, indeed, after since the chinese saw the prospect of cooperation with saudi arabia and iran, they quite actively started this process of finding common ground, well, it should be said that after the beginning of the 10s, when it became it is clear that the united states of america is coming from the middle east and at least left the whole region in the 1970s, the region began to look for new partners, and one of such partners was considered china itself. today we see that china is really forming a political bloc. that is, their statements, the statements of the leaders of china

about the fact that we are already starting more active political activity and are not limited to political activity in china itself, they find such confirmation, and i believe that this is without a doubt a success, but it is a success. what else it is necessary to reconfirm the extent to which the chinese will be able to ensure the obligations that they most likely took both in relation to iran and in relation to saudi arabia. i will remind you that huge investments are planned in saudi arabia. and in words , at least, the chinese are also ready to seriously invest in iran. i think this agreement was actually concluded on this basis, although the negotiations on the normalization of relations have been going on for a long time, many rounds of negotiations have passed , they acted as mediators of the reaction. so i

think that the news here is not so much news that it was possible to say that this happened suddenly, mr. igor. well, china was already mentioned, and accordingly , xi jinping will probably visit russia in the near future . yes. after the talks between the city leaders and the leadership of the moscow federation, respectively , your vision and prospects for these or other talks. well, i think the day of the pin will continue the same line, that is, i think the plan

is either there 12 steps or views, what kind of strategy it was made public, it is unlikely that anything there can change much, they will offer it and maybe they are inspired by the success of the actual settlement of the partial regulation of relations at the diplomatic level between saudi arabia and iran, and they want to strengthen precisely their positions in eastern europe. well, let's say that before the war, china was ukraine is also interesting from the point of view of being a market and as a transit territory to europe, as well as russia, as the chinese will be able to formulate a proposal simply based on this axiom , the future will show, i think that the key limit is the limit of this proposals will be clear during the negotiations after the negotiations between the sinzenpins and putin, yes, that is, to what extent moscow is ready for concessions, what concessions, or will it all sound as

it sounded in those 12 points where the parties actually stop at those places and some negotiations begin. that is, it is not does not suit our side and it is obvious that this proposal and the chinese saw that this proposal does not pass, what new things they can offer, the future will show . wording that for some reason resembles the stalinist constitution, everything is there and there is nothing specific about it, but they cannot , you know, shoot the air, that is, if it is them, they consider themselves a very serious country that has huge ambitions and , accordingly, they must have proposals to which from which not it is possible simply well, let's say that which cannot be rejected

just like that, that is, it must be something that attracts at least russia and ukraine and so far, i personally do not see such a proposal and it is quite possible that this proposal will not arise now. but it will rather will be formed later well, let's say after these visits, after these negotiations, the chinese will take a break and after a certain time they will return again, well they will say that the parties are not ready yet and after a certain time they will return to these proposals again because the very idea of ​​chinese mediation well, it attracts many, many, yes, because china is a serious country with great potential, which can act as a guarantor under certain circumstances, but for this , at least, you need well, actually, for these

circumstances to arise, and so far, as far as i know, i see such a prospect right now . and we are also adding artur kharitonov, the president of the public organization liberal democratic league of ukraine, to the broadcast. he is ready to support the topic. we congratulate mr. artur. good day. accordingly , at least the wall street journals are writing about a possible virtual conversation. president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi is trying to analyze what china's negotiating position will be, what china wants to get in particular on negotiations with moscow and to what extent he will be able to build his own part of the bipolar world, the situation is actually such

that xi jinping plans to visit moscow in the near future, this information appeared at the end of the 21st year in russian propaganda , the chinese talked about it, that is, xi jinping himself acts absolutely naturally and logically and since he wants to support the russians, today we also received information that pin finally, for the first time since the full-scale invasion , plans to call the president of ukraine, but we we understand that this call will be after a visit to moscow, that is, negotiations with putin, and will probably relate to the chinese peace plan , which, as they say in the government of ukraine , contradicts our mayor's formula, so the situation is the same as it was, china continues to support russia, but tries to play off this illusion of a peacemaker very interesting, yes, and accordingly. and what about those new personnel appointments, in particular , in the positions of ministers, in particular, the same

minister of defense, a person who came under american sanctions for, so to speak forced to circumvent them is that we will get a new chinese government in a pro-russian way, it was clear that at the previous congress, when they elected the political bureau of the standing committee of the communist party of china, there were already all kinds of vagabonds there, second to xi jinping ’s youth, and actually even then this authoritarian path was clearly outlined, because we understand that currently in general, it does not matter who is in the chinese government. who are these people, but what is important is that he is the sole leader of china, as we say the emperor of china, because there is no such power it has been stupid for a long time, and of course this new defense minister is a slap in the face to show us all that china will continue to cooperate with russia, but we also know that the chinese generals , regardless of personnel, maintain ties with

the russian generals, especially this is the situation during their joint exercises between russia and china, the most egregious exercises took place in eastern thargestan in the 21st year , when the russian army switched to chinese military equipment, then they prepared about 20,000 russian personnel and then worked out the logistics to europe, in particular the black sea basin, that is, the chinese generals are in constant contact with shoigu and his ilk, and this is already within the limits of the information of the western media, mr. igor. and what do you think about this? this is the position of china. it is a common confession that they don't care, no, they are trying or preparing to go to normandy, no, no, they are not preparing to go to normandy, and at least they understand that the chinese army did not fight in 1979 and we did not

we know in fact what state it is in and how ready it is to fight, and the chinese, despite their belligerence, are not the most belligerent nation in the world, so the situation here is not so obvious for them, i understand that they want to scare, they want to create this feeling of inevitability their victory at least rely on the number of armed forces from the military composition of the armed forces well , accordingly, the presence of nuclear weapons and the like the army is far from ready for any military confrontation with the west, and they admit it, let's hope so, well, in our studio, more precisely , artur kharitonov is in touch with us, meanwhile we have to say goodbye to mr. igor, thank you for joining our broadcast, igor semivolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies was in touch with us. and we are continuing the conversation with artur

kharitonov, so lishan-fu and his willingness to promote, so to speak, it is about the new minister of defense to promote cooperation with the russian federation, what are the pros and cons now may take into account or will take into account and may not take into account china will not react to them at all, in particular, it is about very clear red lines drawn by the americans, in particular, it is about the supply of ammunition and military equipment to russia, in fact, i repeat once again, it doesn’t matter who these people are , the most important is their names, everything all decisions are within the power of xi jinping and it is his decision to support russia during the 22nd year, we saw russia completely saturated with chinese technology, money , support for their economic financial trade system, their cooperation flourishes at all levels, including the military, in 22nd year china supplied a small amount

of support to russia in the form of technology chips necessary for the creation of various high-precision weapons, chinese companies, state-owned chinese companies are already under sanctions of the united states for providing such components to the russians, in particular for example , the navigation systems in the black sea that russia uses were obtained from china in the 22nd year. and for this, the us trade imposed sanctions on the prc. that is, this can continue and in the future and today we are watching whether xi jinping is ready to cross this red line and supply the russians with military support . it is already a concrete expression, but my assumption is that the chinese will not dare to take this step at the moment, they will try to use some kind of proxy to belarus, north korea to transfer to russia certain related military equipment, for example the same drones or something similar. that is, it is unlikely to be chinese tanks or chinese equipment, but my colleague

said that the chinese army did not really fight she won, we really don’t know her condition, but we understand that the chinese generals want to see the testing of their equipment on the battlefield. therefore, this is one of the really important points why china can start supplying russia with weapons, because china is actively preparing for its own war against taiwan and as for taiwan, you just mentioned it, the danger for it is still high. how will china's position change? for example, with the new minister of defense , it is clear that you just a few minutes therefore, it was noted that everything is decided by xi jinping, whether something will change for taiwan, no, nothing will change, the threat exists, china constantly violates taiwan's airspace, the capture of taiwan at any cost is xi jinping's promise during the celebration of the centenary of the communist party of china in 2021 we also received a blatant statement from the newly elected ministry of affairs of china, which

stated the same thing that taiwan is an integral part of chinese territory, but we have never been part of the people's republic of china in history, i.e. they are preparing for this war, they understand this in taiwan, this is understood by the president, this is understood by the national security council of taiwan itself. of course, china will not abandon its ambitions, it is just a matter of time when it will happen. it can happen this year . it can happen in 3-4 years. and what does xi jinping mean? that's how we understand european politicians, we know president joseph biden very well about him, more precisely , everyone has made up their own opinion and so on. well , i don't want to talk about putin anymore, xi jinping remains such a dark horse. that we have not particularly come across any focused analysis, at least public in ukraine. perhaps it exists, that is, it is about some professional circles. so, mr. arthur , who is mr. xi jinping in your opinion, and what

goals will he now be meeting, well, what goals will he now try to achieve with the help of his unprecedented powers and unprecedented concentration of power, well actually i am not manuel macron to look into participation with the inpna and understand who he is, but what can i say that we have a person who has full power in china who controls 1.5 billion people who there is no more opposition and a person who has imperial ambitions to return the greatness of old china, as they say. of course, for china , which is planning a war against taiwan and supplying weapons to russia, the issue is no longer the welfare of the population, and pinze understands and agrees with this, my american colleagues xi jinping will rally around threats , will prepare for war with america, and actually promote it internally, and welfare , economic development, trade

is no longer an issue for him, at least in terms of relations with the west, that is, with america and europe but it is important for the union to understand that even when china crosses red lines and sanctions are imposed on it, china will not be left alone, because among china's allies, of course , what remains is russia, all of central asia , southeast asia, a huge number , a huge number of african countries, the countries of america, that is, we we have this world for freedom and china is the main sponsor of this world for freedom and actually the main ideologist of opposition to the liberal-democratic order and what about that china, for example, why is xi jinping starting to pursue this policy the formation of a bipolar world where one of the poles would be the civilized, i don't know, the western world, yes, the world of western civilization , led by the united states of america, and the other pole would clearly not be russia. and that's because

russia is only, so to speak, a part of this possible construct of what in your opinion, zinping is trying to achieve, well , actually, russia is really part of the structure, russia is on china itself, and we understand that the russians owe their existence today. of course , the chinese in this aspect, because the economy the financial system with six percent of the stabilization fund in yuan is no longer just a conversation. and it is in the concrete facts of chinese control over russia. what does china want? what does jinping want? it is difficult to answer this question. it is the same as asking what putin wants or what russia wants. he wants expansion. he wants control over the world, he wants to overthrow the liberal-democratic system, as already noted, in recent years we have seen quite a surge in chinese propaganda precisely in the context of opposition to western freedom and values, the chinese said that

they have an alternative form of democracy, and chinese democracy is correct, while democracy in other western countries, or democracies, is incorrect, and china is actively advocating for it. china has its own vision of the world, where contact is at the center of the planet , and xizinping probably wants to revive the cult of the heavenly where in the capital of the planet is beijing and it is beijing that decides the way and what will happen on planet earth, that is, in fact, it makes a challenge and this is understood in most democratic capitals of the world and that is why so willingly are preparing for confrontation with this totalitarian state, for example, this is one of the examples of how the world is preparing for the civilized world to confront china - it is the fact that great britain and the states and australia are trying to create an agreement regarding nuclear submarines, and even rishi sunak flew to the usa to meet with these colleagues, in your opinion, can this become a stable alliance that can really oppose china with such

military power or can well, actually describe how it can help of course that improving relations between allies in the aspect of countering china is very important. today we see joe biden's enormous efforts precisely in the sense of accumulating forces to sanction china in the aspect of supplying russia with weapons, and this will be discussed at the j7 summit. of course, the story about submarines and in general the accumulation of specific forces. these are serious moments and they are positive. it is important to understand that no country in the region is completely ready for war. and today we see how actively taiwan, south korea, and japan are preparing. precisely to repel the chinese threat, and china is breaking the milestones of the 20th century. and in fact, we see that japan itself is already abandoning pacifism in order to support ukraine. without being able to oppose china, these are

important aspects, but not everything is so well prepared . china america wants to do it gradually, that is, to extend the isolation of china for several years, but china can get out of control already, well, i wonder in what way it is going to get out of control already now, but in the end, we would like you ask about south korea south korea, which remains an extremely powerful country that manufactures a lot of weapons, possesses enormous technologies, we are already expanding our production, for example, in south korea, which is next to us in poland, and what are the prospects for cooperation with it , in fact, very positive moments have been happening since the arrival to the power of a young president from a conservative party and indeed korea is making tectonic changes in its politics

, it is primarily about the fact that korea has volunteered to arm nato and become a key partner, and nato thanks to this, the young president visited the nato summit in madrid, there were historic changes, secondly, we see that the presidency and leadership of south korea is ready to close the entire history of clashes around history with japan , i will remind you that against the background of historical misunderstandings, the previous president moon, the left-wing president , canceled all training with japan and america and actually declared korea to be such a pacific country and caused a great stagnation in the armor sector, we are now seeing the return of all aspects of trilateral cooperation between seoul, tokyo, and washington. this is very good. today, we hear from the mayor of seoul that korea is preparing and preparing, and he is essentially demanding that the korean government start developing its own nuclear weapons to repel an attack from north korea. by the way, this mayor of seoul is the main president for the presidential elections in 2027, that is, south korea is actively

preparing to repel any threat and wants to be a stakeholder in global security , it is currently unknown whether north south korea is ready to provide enhanced military support for ukraine, because at the moment it is about some kind of humanitarian aid, i will note the ammunition, but the fact that south korea is extremely important strategically for ukraine and it could be a huge source of weapons. for us, this is a fact , just like the word japan, which is also preparing to cancel the old legislation in order to observe ukraine certain military installations, and key members of the japanese parliament are already talking about it . thank you, mr. arthur artur kharitonov, the president of the public organization liberal democratic league of ukraine was from we talked about eastern affairs in the communication, well, now we pass the floor to our colleagues , so in the meantime, news on espresso anna eva melnyk is ready to tell the details. congratulations, colleagues, and in this issue we will include the case of andrii kobolev, the correspondent of dispresso