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ulyana panasyuk burkovskii worked today thank you thank you for being with us stay with espresso and its verdict glory to ukraine this program is the verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, march 13, 383 days of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, the film navalny received oscar for the best documentary film, the situation around bakhmut remains difficult , wagner's assault troops are advancing from several directions , trying to break through the defenses of our troops and advance to the central areas of the city this was reported by the syrian general, the leader of china xi jinping may visit russia next week, where he will meet with the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin , meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine , as of the morning of march 13, russia has already lost 159 in ukraine 800 people in just the last day , the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 710 orks with

the beginning of the already big war, the russians already tomorrow in ukraine 3474 tanks 6774 armored combat vehicles cars 2503 artillery systems 493 rocket systems of salvo fire 259 air defense means 304 airplanes 289 helicopters 5354 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 907 cruise missiles 21109 drones 251 units of special equipment about how lavrov promises to take revenge for the arctic ocean oscar for the film navalny and why in ukraine wants to rename russia to moscow , we will talk about this for the next hour , i want to introduce the guest of today's

program, he is a diplomat, an extraordinary politician ambassador plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 valery chaliy mr. valery good day good health to you and glad to see you on our air i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes let's start with the oscars because today social networks in ukraine are full of comments from on the occasion of the victory of the film navalny at the film academy of the united states of america, the film navalny received the oscar 2023 in the nomination for the best full-length documentary film, to receive the statuette, his wife came to los angeles navalnogo yuliya my husband is in prison simply for telling the truth my husband is in prison simply for defending democracy oleksiy i dream of the day

when you will be free and our country will be free let's very briefly mr. valeriy the oscar presentation to navalny's wife, this is not only about cinema, but also about politics, of course . does this mean that for the global film industry there is a war between putin and ukraine and there is no war between russia and ukraine, because they say that after the war , putin and his team will be responsible for unleashed war and not all russians, in fact, this is a very difficult topic, i will start by saying that i do not consider the oscar and the award ceremony the most important event for ukraine today, in fact , there are many other things for us. we would, of course, like to use the oscar site for further holding

the focus of attention is on ukraine, and there is such attention, and it will be necessary to fight. and further, but oscar is not the only platform, therefore it is not necessary to somehow reduce everything to this discussion, now regarding the essence well, i don’t like these statements that oscar is not political, they far from the truth well, everything is political and the problem is only that we do not understand that there narratives and discussions are taking place in a completely different way, that is why it is more likely about the mainstream that they have, they are talking now about the struggle of authoritarianism with democracy , that is, the administration of the president of the united states even took such a theme is against authoritarianism, therefore, in principle, this type of story falls into the canvas today, well, the main idea of ​​the mainstream, and it was filmed, the film was filmed before, so i will only tell you my impression. very cool

the film itself is subjective, despite the fact that it is cnn, hbo did not lie to me, did not make any impression on me. seriously, i participated in the promotion of our film as the ambassador of ukraine to the usa in 2016. by the way, ukraine is also a joint production of the usa, but it was officially nominated by ukraine and we supported the president, he supported us at all levels, we supported him, he got into the nomination, so i will say that well, the film winter in the fire is very much better in its essence and footage than what we saw now, so unfortunately, especially for those for whom navalny is not an idol, but for me he is definitely not to any extent; moreover, if you watch this film, and i watched it carefully, you will see navalny from many different angles, and it is definitely not an idol of the liberation of the world, it is definitely not gandhi or someone

of the same type, unfortunately, because of how it is will play a role in this general discourse of the world, it is difficult to say, it is possible and not in our favor, but what we have to take into account today. what kind of world information platforms should be fought and not just offended, this is a fact . the fact is that keeping the focus of attention for a year is already a great achievement. therefore now it will be much more difficult to simply applaud for the exit of the president of ukraine, we will not have to fight for every platform . and i emphasize that this year, despite the fact that there was a documentary, a good film co-produced with sweden, denmark, germany , finland, house of chips, but the film nominated by ukraine is not or presented by the oscar committee of ukraine, it did not get the klondike nomination. therefore, it was necessary

to focus on supporting real films that could win. this should have been done, including house of chips. i did not i remember that he was like this, he had such support and publicity at all levels, it was necessary to do it or take the same film by athinivskyi friedman fay freedom in fire , that is, from a very film that could absolutely win in a mass film, so what can we say, we must act and i must once again tell you to understand that the competition for attention will increase. i did not mention the oscar for nothing , because we know that on the eve of the awarding of this film award, zelenskyi appealed, the ukrainian side appealed for zelenskyi to appear before the high jury and the nominees who gathered in the hall, he was refused that in principle, why i am talking about navalny and why i am talking about the political subtext, because it is very

important, after all, how you say to keep the attention of the world audience regarding those problems and regarding the war of russia against ukraine . yesterday, the president of ukraine spoke about new agreements on the diplomatic front, in particular, he had a conversation with the new president of the czech republic, pavel, about the joint defense of europe and invited him to visit ukraine. a good partnership conversation about defense against a terrorist state about our joint defense of europe thanked for the support already provided by the czech republic there are things we can still do jointly invited mr. president to visit ukraine in general this week was active as always for ukraine visits of the prime minister of finland and the minister of defense norway

, un secretary-general guterres, the leaders of the ruling german social democratic party, a conversation with ursula fonderlein, the president of the european commission, all this gives results, in particular, we have a significant increase i thank norway for that, we have new agreements on the diplomatic front, mr. valery how would you describe the international support now because we see a very active december and a very active january in world politics around ukraine then joseph biden's visit to ukraine to kyiv then to warsaw today how would you describe the current situation , that is, the world is getting used to the fact that there is a war in ukraine and that there are other problems for the world that they are forced to solve , and don't we think that this attention to us

is becoming a little weaker, i can agree with you in principle, this could have been clearly predicted. i say once again that this is a huge result that held the attention of the world for as long as a year of a full-scale war, and even earlier it also attracted the attention of the world from the 14th year of the russian war against ukraine, but now it is necessary to understand that, for example, after signing an agreement or agreement between saudi arabia and iran through the mediation of china , more voices are beginning to be heard in the same united states . we should also look at the middle east, because there the usa seems to be losing its influence, the same situation in at other points well, you see, china has entered the game and it is necessary to concentrate attention on it, that is, for the whole world, it will be further and further, our

question is if well, if we do not withdraw to some distant plan, it will be in focus but among further, further among others look at the report of american intelligence well, he is in in principle, in my opinion, well, for development, it is a little too superficial , well , that is, there are no details at all. pakistan, that is, the moments that arise in countries with populist governments

, that is why i think that of course, the russians often help with their brutal actions, with murders, they help . and i will say one thing, we think that the culmination is somewhere on the front, we can already see it somewhere, it is approaching, and here is the culmination of such serious geopolitical discussions. effort at the front is the main thing, of course. and the front is one. let's be honest. i don't understand it. the energy front. the economic front. even i will tell you despite the corporate solidarity. the diplomatic front . where people are killed, where people give their lives, and where there is a clash

of armies, that is why this, but no less important, will be this diplomatic activity, now diplomacy is returning and it is very important not to lose the peace , that is, there are different interpretations of these words, but in my understanding that laying the foundation for fixing ukrainian security after the de-occupation of the territory is already necessary today. well, there are some such small signals that merge through the mass media. well, some small criticism of our partners , as it happened just now, through a political newspaper, which actually, well, can give information in different ways. received closed sources, but in this case, i think that it is really from the white house, the signals went through this option because the authors of the material

in politics are people who have access and know personally, the logo of the house, that is, these are all the cracks, what is written, they need our attention, it must be fixed well, but also do not react too sharply, because in principle there is no mention of the fact that somehow the support of the united states will decrease, so the focus of attention once again trust with partners and means correct actions inside the country and the consolidation of all ukrainian forces, that is, our internal forces , this is also one of the points that at this stage is critically important so that we really do not have any actions of manifestations inside the country what would distract us from the main issue? well, at the same time, i will say that the discussion of the peace of the results of the war is timely, this word is not

timely, we must forget it, that is, everything is timely , only everyone must take a responsible position and a pro-ukrainian responsible position , the dialogue of the authorities should be not only with the world the dialogue should be not only with the majority of the population of ukraine, but with the active part of civil society, without this the victory we are talking about will be very difficult and this understanding i hope will come in the publication of the policy you mentioned it is about the fact that there are disagreements between kyiv and washington regarding the whole war and about the undermining of the nord stream, this is actively commented on by various mass media in the world and they talk about the fact that the ukrainian special services are also calling some ukrainian oligarch well, a lot of different information appears, but the main thing is that, according to

the journalist's staunch interlocutors , politicians and high-ranking officials of the administration of the united states of america claim that a large-scale counteroffensive in the spring may be undermined due to the fact that the ukrainian army spends a lot of manpower and ammunition in bahmut, well, and regarding the future advance of ukrainian troops in relation to crimea , you can explain what exactly the ukrainian side is doing wrong in order to receive such a reverse reaction, i will not interpret because i will tell my experience in politics various articles, including at one time there was an absolutely unfair article that caused very serious consequences for ukraine when the narrative of russian interference was replaced by ukraine's interference in the elections and it was

done now it is known exactly by whom from which filing and respectable journalists wrote an article, and then when they were called to be questioned, they said how it really was, then they were fired from this publication and the editor resigned because of the policy of publishing different articles in this case, i just assume that this is not just a discussion, what i assume this is my version non-conspiracy because a journalist who has access to the white house who asked a question to president trump about helsinki, remember when he asked who the president of the united states trusted more, putin or his intelligence services this is the kind of person who hosts tomorrow's show on msnbs, that is, he is famous in the world, such a person cannot simply subscribe to a material that does not have any basis behind it. and since he was a correspondent in the white house for a very long time and

continues to have these contacts, i think with great probability that he received, among other things, sources from the white house , so i conclude that such discussions are taking place. is this some kind of official position of the usa? it is said that we have bipartisan support in congress, but at the same time there is a small group of republicans who raise questions about greater control of assistance to ukraine in the field of defense supplies. it is named bakhmut, for example, i do not know how to comment at all. i trust the positions of our armed

forces, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces there , the decision of the supreme commander-in-chief that this is the thing that must be done in the national interests, here everyone already takes their responsibility, so i do not want to play along with those who use such materials, as right there we will have a difficult situation, but i would also like them not to ignore, carefully pay attention to how to prevent those or other situations . in this way, these articles can be skipped, we have already mentioned the northern stream. the minister of foreign affairs of russia, sergey lavrov , does not threaten anyone about the explosions on the russian stream, but claims that russia is thinking about the answer of the event in case of blocking an objective investigation, we will see lavrov. i don't want to threaten anyone, to threaten anyone

, and i don't want to hint at anything, but i just know that this is the worst terrorist attack . there will be no investigation . which will not be reduced to that . well, the swedes and the germans decided something. the west responds to this direct attack, a direct attack on our property, by and large, the russians are famous for the fact that they themselves attempt to attack their own property . as lavrov says, they blow up residential buildings and then blame terrorists on

your side. this is the whole story that is unfolding now before our eyes regarding the northern stream of accusations towards the ukrainian special services or people hired by the ukrainian special services, some unnamed big businessman who ordered all this from ukraine, mr. valery, which version more do you believe or are you inclined to believe more that it was the russians who initiated everything and did it with the northern stream in order to later blame the whole world for the fact that, well, you see, moscow opposes world capitalism and tries to protect itself in some way, well , foreign or international policy is not a matter of faith i say once again that i do not engage in conspiracy theory. i do not believe a single word of the propagandist you showed because recently in india he said that ukraine

attacked russia and not the other way around. to listen to him, what he calls terrorism is not beating. the crimes that lavrov supports, that putin commits , that is, this is my great fear that they will not remain unpunished, they are this crime, that is , first of all, and the fact that they always want to distract attention before shifting attention somewhere to the world, this is obviously a constant and clear tactic, so as far as the specific

situation is concerned, i can simply tell you that i do not accept the story with the yachts with some tourists who could carry out such actions, that is, it is obvious that this is not the case, and therefore, of course, we will know later, but now there are too many other crimes, the events of this war, what is there to be distracted from these questions, and give lavrov one last chance, i will quote him and show him that the zone of interest of the united states of america now extends to the whole world and to the countries bordering russia it is necessary to understand how dangerous this course is. we will see lavrov once again. all the countries that are located around the russian federation should draw conclusions from

how dangerous the course is . that the united states of america is interfering in the zone of interests or in the zone of responsibility, as they consider the russian federation to be in this zone , including ukraine, because we we remember how with the beginning of the great war, before the beginning of the great war, putin issued an ultimatum to the western world, including the north atlantic alliance, saying that in further expansion to the east, it should not be desirable to return to the conventional borders of russia and nato in 1997, what does

lavrov now want from of the west and from the united states of america, because this rhetoric, one way or another, is then transformed into some actions of the kremlin, well, this shows that if you take what he says at face value, it is not what he says, but what, in principle, in fact, is how they do they are trying to play along with china, which has now built its line on the command of americanism, and i want to form a group of countries around me that also think in approximately the same light, well, we are talking about the countries of the global south or the same countries around russia, it is very unfortunate that these countries around russia are like this like kazakhstan, that is, i already think, first of all, kazakhstan, then kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan and tajikistan, that they do not

understand what this will all lead to, or they understand too well, and therefore, in my opinion , mistakenly want to simply draw these consequences that's why russia is just playing along now, the russian top of china, especially on the eve of the meeting, i think that they will form this joint platform on the basis of anti-americanism , this is the main thing, which, by the way, is good, as they say, it will enter russian society well, how to evaluate the consequences , we will see, they want to form a bipolar world, china is very interested to be in china, the united states, that everything else was on the side of one or another country, but how it will look in the future , it is difficult to say now, all these statements are russian

. they often go, just so that the three reasons or three main such ideas in them or they want to divert attention from the murders of ukrainians, i.e. showing about some hypothetical or i don't know fake war with nato or with the usa is what they are selling to their voters because there will already be elections there next year , i.e. the second is warming up china and trying to play in the same team with china well, of course, in the second roles, but all of russia now remains the third - i emphasize this once again , they want to get out of the war in this way in order to avoid responsibility, and this worries me more than anything because, well, the results of the war because now i am trying to blur this situation, at least where they listen not only to our statements or the statements of our allies, so the situation

is understood in general, this is not the first time there are lies , there are some statements, our task will remain to hold our line, attracting more support in different regions of the world, more understanding of the same india brazil to the south african republic. perhaps, if not without support, then conveying some of your information to china, that is, directly so that there is no speculation, because the chinese also do not like when they are falsely framed, you mentioned that that the world perceives this information differently and we already talked at the beginning of the program about the meeting of the g20 in new delhi, where lavrov was laughed at after he said that russia is defending itself and trying to stop the war in ukraine, there was

laughter when you say that someone is trying to blur or is discussing this issue of blurring the responsibility of russia for the war crimes they committed in ukraine , who is it about now? at what level it can be discussed and whose votes can be decisive in order to blur this responsibility well, we clearly know that a lot depends on the outcome of the war, and if we talk about the forum in delhi , not only well, this lavrov lie was heard there, but also really different voices about interests, it is necessary to understand that there are two approaches, well, if it is so simplified, it is the balance of forces in the world and such an approach about