[000:00:00;00] became anna akhmatova, not akhmetova akhmatova. and in general, this whole silver age of russian poetry, then he grew up, got up and went abroad, received the nobel prize. although, by the way , i don’t like his poetry, but he is generally a contradictory person, and he is from syria, good russian liberals they gave him the nobel prize, this is recognition . by the way, i must remind you about the words of akhmatova probrotka biography is done in our maternity hospital, that's about how people who come here or there tell something to europeans and americans, they do do you understand your biography? the question is, well, again, no one, no one, no one can forbid it, but why at our expense ? by the way, anna gurenko is ukrainian. i studied at school 117 in kyiv, and there are still signs on zankovetska street.

there was also a sign saying that anna gurenko, anna akhmatova, lived in this house. well, then she got married, and as her husband said, he took a wife from the city of zmiyeva , that is, from kyiv, but in brodsk there were also words in his poem about the independence of ukraine. i will not read the whole poem, he is there but there are such words with god, the eagles of the cossacks, the hetman, and he spins only when he comes and they will die for you, will you wheeze , scratching the edge of the mattress, lines from alexander and not the lies of taras, well, it is meant that alexander pushkin, but for some reason, this is how ukrainians die with the words glory to ukraine as experience shows, as the example of ani with alexander's poems shows, they say exactly glory to ukraine as taras hryhorovych shevchenko said and you love your ukraine and love her in a fierce time. in the last difficult minute, pray to the lord for her and that's how ukrainians live in relation to me, i also wanted to quote the words and here we will finish with albas

, she writes while in odessa , she loves odessa less than 100 km to the front. yesterday evening, the city was buzzing. they still perceive that this is their odesa, their sevastopol, their berdyansk, their melitopol, and kherson, their kyiv, so they went here, rested here, walked because, well , where in russia they will go, but in st. petersburg it is cold and damp, it is impossible there in winter i've been there twice, well, it's impossible, well, it's beautiful in st. petersburg in the spring. yes, but well, in sochi, sochi is expensive, but here you can give hryvnias . here are the hetmans to the vertukhas and cossacks, how they write , and that's why they are perceived as their own, but well, let them come and teach - it is worse, and here, by the way, there is one very short question, but it is important. in your opinion, this happened without the knowledge of the authorities, or if with the knowledge, then why is a person with a russian passport who worked for russian propaganda?

how is it that they are defenseless killing ukrainians, well, it's not that it's not normal, it's how she came to ukraine , do you think that this is some kind of tacit consent of certain people or how ? but on the other hand, people in the current government are quite loyal to the good russians. we remember these invectives directed at other ukrainians that they are not. we do not understand that it is they who are doing important work . well, do you remember these stories of representatives in particular, the representatives of the president's office at that time, so i think that this is a continuation of the continuation of this , well, they didn't raise a fuss at the time , well, they missed it. the question is that, in fact, the industry has to be raised. of the russians, we will now

mention one more story very briefly, one more person sees himself in the future for some reason in ukraine, but now his prisoners and mercenaries, who by the way, here we need because we, when pvk wagner, we say so we always say prisoners and well, there are actually a lot of good military professionals there, it's just that there are fewer of them, but it's quite an effective force, as we can see now, who is fighting now, well, he fought for a soldier, he will fight for bakhmut and this person was stunned by the statement and i honestly said i wouldn't take her like that i wouldn't take her

so emotionlessly or i wouldn't take her into account i would take her into account presidents ukraine will be fine, guys. by the way, i think that this video is recorded in ukrainian for a russian audience. i will explain why . because zelensky, well, that is, the recorded video is an explosion, there are real shell explosions, there are shots , mines are falling and he is standing. with eggs, well, it won’t work in ukraine because zelensky was also in bakhmut when the hostilities were taking place there, poroshenko, in principle, is always traveling , and poroshenko is a person who also came to his war because of that. well, actually, it will not take ukrainians into thousands of ukrainians died today, the heroes are alive and real, but here is a handsome man in contrast to putin, who sits in a bunker, and this one stands in the middle of nowhere, it works. a dangerous trend that they see their future already here in ukraine, maybe this is some kind of hint, look in them, in them, they see it in the future, they only saw that on

the example of others, so to speak, representatives of russian society, this is simply a continuation the line that they don't perceive russia, they don't perceive ukraine as something that really exists, an independent state separately. separately, let's say it's a separate phenomenon, you know. well, they didn't perceive poland like that, but now something doesn't go to warsaw, our warsaw, which they said back then, and i've already forgotten it. it is obvious that this will happen with kyiv and odessa with sevastopol and donetsk after their liberation, but again, this is a continuation of this, i do not think that this is addressed to putin , prigozhyn is completely dependent on putin and it is unlikely that he will ever dare to leave him the challenge is aimed at the russian

audience, those who don't like the fact that russia is losing this war and they are looking for some alternative to those military fans, as they say about their generals, so i think that this is an element of the internal struggle for attention for the audience of his image to the fact that he was relegated to something there well, but i don't think it's anything more than tiktok in kadyrov's performance , although he hasn't been very active lately . there you better know this story when the voivode was executed, but even if you tell a recent story. by the way, a brilliant military leader, despite everything, despite the fact that it was a bolshevik, a brilliant military leader, frunze. let's just say that under unclear circumstances, he died on the operating bed, so the first story of shors, a ukrainian who

fought for of the bolsheviks, he was shot in the back of the head by a kotov bandit, yes, the bandit is a contrabato everything, but still, military commanders who also won important battles, in particular, in the second winter campaign against pomocha volynska, or what group was he there, this battle was under he was there in small numbers, but then there was a shooting near the bazaar, but these were the bosses who were also all destroyed, and chapaev is the same, it is also unknown who destroyed him, he is such a beauty, that is, they are always destroyed, and the government remains in the kremlin, so here it is beautiful , negatively, kadyrov is now and so he doesn't feel very well there, he met a big question. he met with putin and somehow turned over a piece of paper there, but we can hardly see him reading in capital letters. therefore, it is obvious that his health is not very good, but besides that, he is fighting against us poison is very difficult. believe me, we only have important topics now. i'm just thinking about which one to place

after which, let's talk now. after all, you are a historian. i'm always very interested in listening to you. and by the way, mr. oleksiy is always interesting to read, you know. i want us to talk a little about maria zakharova reacted to this initiative of ukraine to rename russia. what is her name as a press junkie ? the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation said something there that it was nonsense, and in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine , in my opinion, the representative of ukraine is sour. prion said that you better learn the ukrainian language and the history of ukraine in general. the name russia was invented, as they say, by feofan prokopovich, the rector of the kyiv-mohyla academy, who later invented everything again , after all, by a ukrainian and blame them. schools of ancient ukrainian literature nekenti giza, i want to ask you how legal it is to rename russia, because let's say , look, ukraine says hungary, the english say hungry. can someone else say that?

otherwise, i don't know what hungarians call their hungary. by the way, they call it the same as the land of the magyars, it has nothing to do with hungary, just as we say finland , the english say finland, and they say suomi , yes, that is, the names are different, it doesn't change anything either germany is called by almost every neighbor in its own way, none of them call it deutschland, like the germans themselves, so in principle , in principle, there is no problem with this, in fact, the finns have their own name of russia, the estonians have their own in letish , the lithuanians have their own, which is what they have there the etymology is related to russia, but so to speak, well, that is, for example, for the baltics , this is a revised name of blood centuries, so to speak, do you remember such a tribe, i was nothing , no one does not fall off the crown from the head, the question is that it is every nation, every state

is determined with this. this is her sovereign right. on the other hand, we remember how we experienced and some still experience what the russians call and say in ukraine or there or in ukraine, that is, for some reason it worries us , from my point of view, this is such a post-colonial syndrome for example there are a lot of indians they are worried that they should not be called bombay. and this is the english colonial name mumbai and not the chennai mattress. well, again, in principle, the less we have in common with russia , the less it will interest us, and on the other hand, we should not point out to the russians, for example , that they have the same in and on before they called that they had an embassy in ukraine, then when putin came to power it started to be called

an embassy in ukraine, but now in fact it simply does not function and it does not have any significance and of course, neither sugar nor medvedeva, another supporter of the powerful substances who also began to invent some kind of alternative name for ukraine. let him invent again. they were the first to start these manipulations with russian names, but at least with these morphemes in relation to ukraine, so again we don't need to pay attention to it . let you think what name would be better now ukraine should apply to russia muscovy, maybe there is another name similar to the history of which we do not know, but you, as a professional historian , maybe russia always had or or the other was actually

called muscovy, rather not by the russians themselves, but neighbors in particular, for example, poles and lithuanians, there is nothing so strange about this, of course, the fact that they appropriated the name of russia, again, i would not exaggerate the meaning of this, well, for example, romania has the same name as they called themselves the roman empire, well , this does not mean that it can claim, with all due respect to romania, the entire heritage of the roman empire in the same way and with russia , of course, they always wanted to annex neighboring lands, and this very claim that they are the heirs of ancient russia gave them , at least in their own eyes, some

grounds for claiming this again here, we ukrainians must first of all take care of ourselves, because we have already thrown them the ideas of this great little russia that you mentioned and the ideas of the russian empire, this is feofan prokopovich's own creation, we need to be more careful with this, we can call it muscovy , you know the main thing here is to, well, how to name it, and how to win, win and forget about existence and all these philological disputes as soon as possible. i hope that in the future it will happen to russia as it happened to this old woman from my beloved pushkin's fairy tale about an old man and an old woman that she ended up near a broken trough well, we also know that putin is generally such a person , to some extent talented, all his horror stories tend to come true after he starts talking about them. here he was scared, he scared

his compatriots and himself with this collective an event that was actually not very collective before this invasion , now he is dealing with a truly united event. he tells us that there is a threat of the disintegration of russia into separate states. i hope that this forecast also comes true. by the way, he i already mentioned that there will be not russians, but muscovites and uralians. well, sakharov and medvedeva need to go to him with claims. and i would also like to ask you which historian, because i also often think about it, but i do not have such a complete knowledge of history as you, although there in i studied at the university, of course, and i am interested. but is it possible to say, at least with some degree of truth, that russia is to a large extent a project of europe, and a project of the west, because if you look at different periods, in one way or another, the west participated in the creation of

modern russia, both intellectually and in personnel and of our own resources, we can say that for self-organization, more precisely, for the organization itself, for the organization of this space that russia occupies now or occupied in the past, they always had to use someone else 's tricks, so to speak, at first, the mongols, this is what we say that russia imitates the horde. the horde was organized in a slightly different way but the horde people themselves were used by the russian rulers of moscow in order to organize this space under their rule , then when the time of the mongols passed, they began to use european models. we we remember it was under oleksiy mykhailovych, then petro used a lot of these european tricks of leibniz and

philosophers like him, then we remember how well we remember, we know from school that the bolsheviks used marxist tricks, that is, again , not russian, but western tricks in order to keep under their power this huge empire that fell apart, so to speak, due to natural causes in the 17th year, that is , they do not have their own know-how to obtain these territories, and therefore they are forced it is possible to use now, if putin is not already trying, then in the future there will be attempts to use the chinese people, because they now have this sovereign. but again, this internal failure is creative, it is obviously traditional for russian history. the ball merkel

is you won't cry you'll be there where the ball is margarita semanyan reflects on the modern war and makes such efforts to spend by itself very very much with the past let's listen russian propagandist well, help is stronger than the second world war, our great patriotic war, because i will remind you that the great patriotic war was on one side of the barricade , which is great britain and , in some sense , with france. when in fact they had already won , they harnessed themselves. yes, and the land list should not be forgotten. we were together with them against a handful of powerful countries from the military point of view of the most powerful countries.

это три страны сейчас this is the entire so-called western world. by the way, when france and britain were already at war with hitler, the soviet union did not have time, only that helps to think. first, they were from germany, and then from britain, the united states fought with japan, but here it is also i also made a mistake, not three countries. because in fact there was also, well, in fact there was romania, in fact there was hungary, there was yugoslavia . well, there were also latin divisions in norway and in many other countries, yes. therefore, it is not yegorska stran, not gorska stran, but here you know what's important, what you're demanding, i just want to say that i don't remember a single war that russia won if it wasn't in the union with someone from the western countries . usually they just lost wars where they tried to do something on their own, but the anglo-saxons - this is what they like to talk about now

, they didn't win any war when they fought with the anglo-saxons. well, there is one. when i told someone about it, they reminded me of the civil war in russia, but there is a rather specific situation and they didn't understand who was against whom was he fighting? well, it is clear that they are somewhere, as they say. they began to guess about something. of course, now there are heavy battles, we know that even now there is very little information about the situation under the bakhmut avdiivka ugleda. very difficult kurakhove difficult difficult very you know such exhausting bloody battles where in bahmut there are battles in principle almost hand-to-hand shooting battles in the city this is, well, this is such an example there is conditional and in the winter of verdun in stalingrad, although near stalingrad, up to 3 million people, of course. now there are no such simple groups of people in the war. it’s a little different, but it’s scary and difficult, but in any case, russia somehow guesses that if they’ve been under fire since the summer and it’s very difficult to advance

, it’s probably all- it is still far from the great victory and here they are already beginning to appeal that we are on our own, how it will develop further is difficult to put together, but the fact that the pool of the second russia is already being formed in russia is also a fact and these are the negotiations with which i am he is going to moscow and then we will talk with zelensky this too there will obviously be some kind of proposal, because everyone understands that it has to go somewhere before that. well, the former head of the munich security conference said that it is necessary to form groups for negotiations , of course, the negotiations will be determined by ukraine. something has to come well, that's why these good russians are already appearing and one of such good russians is oleksiy navalny, who said that crimea is not sandwiches, crimea is showing that it is a sandwich , well, no, a movie was made about him by the americans he won the academy award as a documentary film his wife in a dress from chloe, well, the designer arrived at the academy award ceremony in hollywood and well, there in los angeles, yes, is it presented in los angeles, for sure, and you know

, it was very well shown that this the family of victims of putin, son, daughter, wife in designer clothes from chloe, they are the ones who suffered from putin . and those ukrainians who are now beaten , mutilated, without children, without parents, without husbands, without housing, you are nothing. they didn't give me the opportunity to speak before the start of the oscar award ceremony. well, they didn't give me that, so they cried in berlin, but they didn't give it here , and the awarding of this award is not about the mass, but it's about the mass, and i would first of all like you to say here how you evaluate this award, i haven't seen the film yet, i've watched it. look at it. i will not evaluate the film in any way, but the very fact of this will show the other russia, here is such an emaciated woman in a dress made of cloy, please. well, we still have to try, if we

evaluate something, then try from emotional evaluations to come to logic we are fighting russia, putin is obviously the leader of this russia, and it is obvious that our ally should be, well, that is, their main goal is to defeat putin's russia, and they use the methods that help to defeat putin's russia. well, i already gave an example today. he is associated with a conspiracy against hitler, an attempt to kill an unsuccessful attempt to kill hitler but if we remember what stauffenberg said before he participated in the conspiracy, he supported hitler's rise to power, he trained

stormtroopers, he participated in these aggressive hitler's wars. he spoke very unambiguously about the population of the territories occupied by the nazis. if we judge by this, then it is obvious, how can such a person be heroized, but for the world the most important thing is that he opposed hitler because of the mass. what he talked about is not a sandwich, he is useful to the world and the world coalition in support of ukraine because he is fighting putin's regime . so maybe he is not better than putin in some ways and may be the same imperialist, well first of all, the chances that he will replace putin are not so much faster, if someone replaces putin, he will be no less an imperialist and even more than navalny, and secondly, everything that

shakes the situation around russia, everything that annoys putin is useful, you know how in this joke that i don't like cats, well, you just don't know how to cook them like that, and here you have to understand how to approach this matter rationally , i'm not saying that at all, i leave the situation with the movie navalny in parentheses, because it must be emphasized that the award was not given to navalny, but a film called navalny, and this is also important, which was advertised, promoted and, in principle , not badly made, lest our critics of this film say that and it did not win the first prize, it won the bafta, that is, to think that we came with our own film , possibly very good, possibly better from our point of view, between the movie navalny and everyone

was defeated only by the strength of the fact that we are now fighting aggression. therefore, we should sympathize , well, you need to be an adult, an adult, to understand how all this really works. if to talk about the oscar, well, no one is outraged by the fact that the songs from the indian film ararar were given an oscar, there on the stage on the hollywood stage we see a huge image of the mariinsky theater of the mariinsky palace in kyiv against which indian actors are dancing. well, you can also be proud and say that this bagin palace received received an award no, we are starting to look for betrayal, so it seems to me that we just need to be more mature and if we are so rooting for our film, which is possible there is a house made of slivers

called the scout house, then maybe it will be an incentive to go to the cinema to see it. by the way, i also understand that the film academics still evaluated the artistic quality first of all, well, you know, just like when the ukrainian national team could not get to the world championship, which was in qatar, they said that it is possible scotland and wales will miss us then before the contact matches. well, we beat scotland, we couldn't beat there, an example of a surprise, roughly speaking. but we didn't get there , and i was in favor of us not just going like that. well , because it's a sport and there should be a principle competitiveness, no one owes us anything, that is, at least in sports, in the cinema, no one owes us anything, we have to achieve this, but here it just caught everyone's eye that now the refereeing in this season is at the highest level. this is not only my opinion, it is the opinion of the coaches from all the teams that did not make it to the you understand the finale, that is, there is no need to exaggerate the solidarity that the world feels towards ukraine, it is a great help to us, the main

help to those who are on the front defending our country, protecting our freedom, just everyone has to do their job, you know here the most important thing, very briefly, is that i want to say my opinion, the most important thing for me is that the government that is there now, that will come after the victory, i believe that it will be a different government , not because it is bad. to be like david conquered zion together with his army with his army yes, but king solomon built a great israel cherchel we remember the very first elections in which cherchel took part in which he participated after during the war he lost them therefore we need to be ready for everything the question is that we don't need to be offended, you know how i'm sorry that we didn't give

a word at the president's ceremony we were offended but we remember the situation with the nobel prize, which was obviously waiting for another winner and therefore did not even congratulate the ukrainian woman who received this prize. of the entire people of the entire country of the entire state well, ukrainians really have to unite now to win the most important battles. and of course , then you can give out awards and such. oleksii ostafin was with us. thank you very much, mr. oleksii, for joining us for a great conversation, writers of historical the media manager was in touch with us. you know, for me, the most important thing is that when ukraine will be rebuilt after the victory, which was paid for with terrible blood . the front is huge losses, huge horror, huge blood, and simply, when we build a new ukraine, those who will survive

, well, most of us, i believe, will survive, so that this ukraine is built around ukraine. so that there is no such government that always wants to build ukraine, but somehow so that there is somewhere in the center of russia, because it simply does not see another model , it is necessary to see, it is necessary to give birth in this blood to the model where the ukrainian idea, ukrainian culture, ukrainian will be in the center of ukraine. look, we will also be interesting for the world, and not so that we they just got a matryoshka, putin was executed there, another average matryoshka and that’s good, we put her in the center around her, we build ukraine , it won’t be like that. thank you for being with us. it was a worldview program. subscribe, like , comment on youtube everywhere we are on social networks. i will meet with you in the evening and now it is ready serhiy rudenko program verdict serhiy congratulations please congratulate vasyl literally in a few seconds we will start the verdict glory to ukraine this is the program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day to everyone and good health today march 14, 384 is the day of heroic resistance