[000:00:00;00] let his position be. regarding this topic, at the moment, patriarch kirill is not traveling, he is not accepted anywhere and is not released. there was an attempt to meet patriarch kirill with the pope in kazakhstan, but it did not take place. instead , the pope said that he will visit kyiv only when a visit to moscow is agreed upon. but as far as i understand, putin is not ready to see pope francis in moscow, maybe taras will say more about this , so for now, the peacekeeping potential of the pope comes down to the fact that he only facilitates the exchange of prisoners, mr. taras, i also tell you add well, i would like to say that, in fact, we very often do not understand what the pope says, or we often repeat what i am sorry, it is beneficial for moscow, because in moscow, the evaluations of the pope are much sharper than in ours, because a year ago, the pope very

sharply humiliated patriarch kirill by calling him there a servant, a kremlin servant, that is, the lowest position in the church that can only be, that is , he allowed a woman to enter. and actually the pope never supported in such cases where kirill or putin, in fact, in the past year, he clearly named his aggressor, which is also unusual for vatican diplomacy. they always tried not to say until the end. don't put all the dots on and to be a peacemaker . last year, the pope called you an aggressor clearly, and if we say so, he crossed out something, but in this situation, what is important is i i don't think that world leaders will intervene in this situation, religious leaders will intervene in this situation, and instead various so -called human rights defenders will intervene, why am i talking about the so-called

because sometimes they do not fulfill the role of any really human rights and perform a political role, i.e. election roles or some other as it was recently when it was announced that there are several bills in ukraine to ban the moscow patriarchate in ukraine and then immediately some american politicians started shouting that there is a violation of religious freedom in ukraine of course, the sober world understands what is happening in ukraine, what role does moscow play in the russian aggression, but on the other hand, there will always be so-called human rights organizations willing to shout who protect the freedom of speech there or the so-called human rights organizations that protect the religious sabbath and therefore, as with the opinion from the position of the ukrainian state from the position of the ukrainian religious environment, it should clearly sound like if we say it in foreign languages, the opinion that there is no violation of any restriction of religious freedom in ukraine , on the contrary, there is there is a struggle with the internal

internal fifth column, which is represented here in us, including the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, and their activities are not condemned from the point of view of religious freedom there, because no religious freedom is restricted, but there are actually investigative actions and other actions against those people who violate state norms and do not act according to ukrainian legislation. accordingly, we understand that the pope chose a very possibly correct strategy, not everyone likes it, but a strategy that coincides with the gospel teaching, but in in the current situation, we understand that additional responsibility is imposed on the holy father, because the holy father must be more active and sharper, so we all remember the blessed memory of ivan

paul ii, who tried never to put up with abuses, we understand how much more difficult the situation was for him personally, in particular when it comes to soviet crimes against the church. well, let's hope that the holy father francis will also clarify his position in some way . although i think it is and it is quite clear just here the issue of the so-called vatican diplomacy, but this is another point, and if we return to our sinful ukrainian land , in particular, we are talking about the return of certain sacred objects, the pochaiv lavra as possible let this process unfold, mr. andriy. as you can see, there is currently an agreement on the use of the pochaiv lavra until the 52nd year , and i think that the terms of use should be checked, because we know that

illegal construction was also taking place on the territory of the pochaiv lavra, including the construction of the new transfiguration cathedral which is already the private property of the monastery and the ukrainian orthodox church, so it will not be so easy to break this contract, and it will not be so easy to determine who will continue to use the pochaiv lavra because on it is also claimed by the orthodox church of ukraine and the ukrainian greek catholic church. not to mention the fact that the pochaiv monks will not give up without a fight and will resist. i want to remind you that even in soviet times , the communist authorities did not manage to completely close the pochaiv lavra or expel the monks from there that they constantly returned there and this is a very complicated process . i don't know what the state's plan is for the kiev-pechersk and pochaiv lavra, but these are very delicate and irritating areas where you need to

act very carefully in order not to harm and a dialogue is needed primarily between the church and the state, unfortunately, metropolitan onufriy himself has removed himself, we do not hear his comments, his interview, his position, although according to my data , there will be a meeting of the synod of the ukrainian orthodox church in the very next week, and maybe we will hear the official position and attitude regarding of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, but without dialogue with the state, it is impossible to resolve these issues, mr. taras. how do you see it, will it be possible , for example, to use the pochaiv lavra for the ukrainian greek-catholic church? yes we understand that the pochaiv lavra took place in particular thanks to the ukrainian greek-catholic church, which in those days was called union or uniate. i think that now the problem will really be primarily to evict the reports

of the moscow patriarchate, and the problem is also that pochaiv has become such a stronghold of the russian world in western ukraine, it is much more radical than that of the pechersk lavra regarding the monasticism that exists there, so at one time there was quite a lot of information that there are many monks of non-ukrainian origin in pochaev. so i i think that to begin with it was necessary to clean it to check if it really is not like that. if so, on what grounds are these monks staying there , also regarding the premises that were newly built , the problem is that since that time, thanks to yanukovych or other persons, the lavra was partially removed from the property reserve, and at that time a lot was built there in this russian style, and the fact that the lavra is, as we can see even from this video, that it is a huge complex, and i do not think that now either

the psu or the ugcc could populate the entire this complex is again a monastery and a seminary. that is, it is serious, and i have already given such an idea, i am promoting it, i do not know how well it will be received, that the laurel can first of all be transferred to the reserve and returned to the reserve for full use and become a monastery of unity, that is, so that there can and the monastery of the orthodox church of ukraine and the monastery of the greek catholic church are active in the west, such examples are in the west when catholic orthodox monasteries operate in western europe and they are a place of ecumenical dialogues such as in our country you said ecumenical it would be interesting for us because we actually have a problem with interfaith interfaith relations and it is very serious, and this is primarily a problem that

dates back to soviet times, when our old clergy was brought up in intolerance towards others, and we see this even sometimes . communication with monks or seminarians , that is, young guys who study somewhere in orthodox seminaries , primarily of the moscow patriarchate. and actually, there is a need for such places somewhere the faithful of different denominations could come to pray together, by the way, what is interesting is that not only the orthodox of the moscow patriarchate come to the pochaiv lavra with a prayer, the orthodox and the orthodox church of ukraine and greek catholics also visit this monastery. how is it that the most was built in this monastery and it has been for a long time he became a laura precisely at the time when he belonged to the union church, and i think that there would be no problem if the state could ensure

that they could serve there alternately or in in different churches there are several representatives of different churches and in such a way that the believers who come there feel comfortable and not like until recently there was a sign saying that there is a union there and there is no way for schismatics to be disaffected schismatics. thank you, gentlemen, for this extremely interesting and meaningful conversation, taras antoshevsky andriy smirnov , religious scholars were working now live on the espresso tv channel, we inform you about the most important thing in lviv oblast, the head of the village council wrote a statement to the law enforcement authorities for toppling a monument to a soviet soldier a few months ago, for several months, local residents asked the local authorities to somehow organize the territory, well, in particular, it is about the demolition or dismantling, respectively, of monuments of soviet sculpture, monuments of soviet memorial art, well, in any case , their carcasses were demolished

. our correspondents visited the scene, let's look together this is how the monument to the soviet soldier looks now in the village of borinya in the lviv region , his head has been knocked down in the ground this is what it looks like provided by the servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine during their vacation. they came here to demolish this so-called monument of glory, after that the head of the community wrote a statement to the police that the servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine decommunized several soviet monuments in the lviv region, everyone learned from this video on it that the military of the armed forces of ukraine ihor flyarko and a soldier of the 73rd center of the sso stanislav lisovyi say that they decommunized several monuments of the region, one of them in the village of borenya , the guys responded to the request of the resettlement from nadiya drebot of melitopol, who temporarily lives in the village, these are soviet markers that should not

be on the territory of our state, they are the same price symbols that the russian army is currently implementing in the occupied territories temporarily, so we must destroy them, we must dismantle them and put our ukrainian symbols on them and their ukrainian heroes who gave their lives for the independence of our ukraine, a monument to a soviet soldier stands a little further from the school , he stood with soviet burials since january. nadiya drebot asked the local authorities and she wrote letters to the lviv administration to get rid of the monument and organize a reburial, she was told that

they were dealing with the issue, and after 40 days the woman received an interesting answer from the head of the village. according to the law on reburial, i have to pay for it. i almost announced to the bank and the fundraiser. well, then i stopped. it was clearly not clear to me, so of course i made it public. after learning about such an incident , the boys went to the village on the way to the route and demolished several more monuments of the soviet past, got rid of the topilnytsia, arrows, bows and brushwood, we are impressed, it seems that as of the 23rd year, such issues should be resolved very quickly, and even if they are there because of statements, the answer should come very quickly and, accordingly, positive the answer is, in essence, the dismantling itself did not happen , there was no one who would say there conditionally what you are doing there is not necessary there, i don't know somehow

the monument is associated with some conditionally, why is there life childhood people even helped with military equipment, the monument had grown to the ground so much that the guys couldn't move it with their own transport. but with the help of this tractor, they managed to get rid of the monument . it was provided by a local resident, mr. mykola, in fact . the next day, the police came to his house . he lives not far away. he says mykola was at my place. he says the police say did i see anything, and i say i didn't see anything . i say i live alone. he says i don't see. i'm watching. i'm at home . offered himself everything as it should be the investigator so-and-so we know maryana i'm still writing i forgot it's him run away so and so we're on a note i say what happened he says so and so he says i need your data in life, the police came to bore at the request of the village head, who

wrote a statement to the police on the fact that the soviet monument had been toppled . mykhailo shkitak was on a business trip. the deputy helmsman explained that the monument is on the balance of the community and has its own value, so they were forced to warn law enforcement officers we must to apply, this is our property, it is the same as any premises , anything that is on our balance sheet, so we must react and apply, at least inform the police that this happened to us, the police will already draw conclusions from that, whether it is subject to some kind of criminal proceedings is it not subject to the fact that the monuments were demolished in several villages, the statement to the police appeared only from the head of the boryna village, nadiya drebot , was surprised by such a decision of the local leaders . since in melitopol, the military demolished monuments and went to the front, this was enough for the authorities to decommunize. do we have a moral right? i'm sure we do, or someone will appeal to the fact that there was no

legal decision, well, i'll tell such people comrades, please remember the overthrow of lenin in the 14th year in in kyiv, was there a law, no decision was made , we feel we have the moral right to do such things , to speed up the process of decommunization in lviv , even in such ways, the secretary of the working group on decommunization of the lviv region, krylova anna gerych, explains that the monument in the village of borenya has the status of a monument and there is a burial there, but since 2015 the local authorities have not taken a single step regarding the decommunization of their region . there are, and some heads of communities, realizing and knowing what it is, even after receiving a letter from the department, did as

the law and conscience allow them, because sometimes the law precedes the law. do they have to apply and there the procedure is very simple. are accepted at the executive committee at the session and removed. currently, the police are conducting an investigation into the fact of the demolition of the monument in the village. at the same time, the monument has already been included in the list of decommunized in the lviv regional military administration. two hundred monuments of the soviet past must be removed by the end of the year khrystyna parubiy nazar melnyk tv channel espresso so we will talk about getting rid of russian imperial influence further on oleksiy panych, philosopher, translator, public figure, mr. oleksiy, we congratulate you, so we see cases of such people's de-russification where imperialization is very many , and probably such cases will become more and more frequent, and that is why it is actually important

to regulate this legislatively as soon as possible, but what problems exist and why this has not been done so far i think that the local authorities have enough legislative levers, you heard in the story that the local authorities who want to deal with these monuments there are soviet soldiers they can do it where they don't do it there, they delayed with it, there are conflict situations, but regarding the comparison with the monument to lenin, i still do not agree with what was said in the story. there was a government against which they protested, there was no opportunity to do it in a legal way since

then. the grassroots has to intervene there, the police there, let them sort it out there was a violation of the law, there was no violation of the law, if there was a violation of the law, well, you will have to answer for it and for that, that is, we already have our power over the entire territory of ukraine, enough about ukrainian to do it in a purely legal way by the way, lavra - this also applies to other issues, but i also emphasize that it is necessary to go strictly within the limits of the law so that no unnecessary problems arise, mr. oleksiy, so see the story about the renaming or return of historical russia the names are so proud, the name muscovy returns to this huge territory inhabited by a well-known who well, accordingly, in russia, on the one hand, hysteria continues, on the other hand, we understand that we are forming, so

to speak, our modern toponymy, in particular, and regarding this aggressor state, what do you think about the deployment of this scenario, how will it generally affect the process in ukraine and muscovy, you know, i will go against the current for sure, but i will say that i do not really like the idea of ​​renaming russia to muscovy, and at the same time there is another process that is going on in parallel which seems to me to be much more important, i will name it right away, this is a document currently being considered by the verkhovna rada on the recognition of the russian regime as racism, this regime is an ideology, and the draft resolution of the verkhovna rada clearly states what it is, this seems extremely important to me, why i am not very interested i like the idea of ​​renaming it to muscovy. first of all, there are no precedents in the world, that is, there are a lot of precedents when some countries call others differently than they

call themselves. well , in germany, deutschland. it is surprising that there are precedents when they rename, but at the initiative of the country itself, we had an action like kyiv-not kyiv. the chinese very persistently promoted the naming of their capital as beijing in english, not beijing. because in fact it is closer to the chinese pronunciation, and this is the chinese. they did it very actively and persistently , well, a couple of dozen years, so far everyone has been retrained, but there is no such thing as one country taking over and deciding. let 's call another country not like before, but somehow in a new way , there is another problem besides this, is it correct to call it muscovy the state that is currently at war with us, no matter what you call it, it is the russian empire, and it has been the russian empire for hundreds of years, and it

has not fundamentally changed. when it was the romanov empire, or even before the romanovs, and when it was called the soviet union, and now when it is called the russian federation it is still basically one and the same state and it is no longer muscovy. muscovy it was when it was the grand duchy of moscow. in other words , to call it muscovy now is a little wishful thinking. so when such geographical changes happen there that will live an independent life siberia ural caucasus baskordostan karila sorry tatarstan so when all that remains around moscow will return approximately to the borders of ivan iii before the capture of kazan then it will be muscovy then it will have to be called that and now we well that is if it returns so to speak to in this

format, mr. oleksiy, we understand that russia or muscovy experienced no less critical histories, and perhaps much more critical , in particular, we are talking about the events of a century ago and when really the processes of internal political and military decentralization have reached a sky-high level, which we do not observe now, on the other hand, there is a certain historical persistence, a historical tradition , we understand that we are returning in this way our attitude towards russia to muscovy since the time of , i don’t know, the 17th century and once. in fact, it all started, in particular, it is about absorption and destruction of our political identity , well, in the 18th century, it was finally put into force, some rough spots were cut off, people were sent to siberia and so

on and so on and so on we understand well and it is possible that this is precisely what is, so to speak, of all importance for ukraine, i.e. a return to certain historical origins, when civilizational evil happened, i understand you are right, but this is what is called in english wishful thinking, that is, we think not from what is, but from what is preferably, we want russia to become muscovy again, make russia small again, it was like this, there was such a joke with a trick, a phrase that was once invented by reagan and then used by trump. that is, we want russia to turn into muscovy, but so far this has not happened. and here is another paradox, i have already mentioned about the term racism, which we now want to introduce into the legislation, i was there as a member of the working group, that's why i take this document so close to my heart. imagine

the paradox we are creating, we call this system that currently exists in the russian federation racism, and we want to rename the country with russia to muscovy, muscovy, but i don't see racism as one thing with the other, this is russia, and there is racism there . when it becomes muscovy, it will get rid of racism. we understand. a couple of days ago, intellectuals and the surrounding intellectual public experienced , so to speak, not the best moments of the apocalypse, which is unfolding in our country. this is not the main topic, but it is very important and very symbolic. for many tens of years , they have followed a certain ceremony and a certain ritual, in particular, it is about the announcement winners and so on, your attitude

to what happened, well, in any case, the chairman of the shevchenkiv committee, mr. yury makarov, wrote a resignation letter. well , i just couldn't stand it. i understand his step, i congratulate him, i believe that he is justified in this situation and deserves respect . in general, i would say, paraphrasing an anecdote, a well-known laureate was found, but the sediment remained, because really, there is a lot of confusion here, there are misunderstandings, we still do not know something about this situation with on the other hand, myths have already spread, for example, i have repeatedly heard that what kind of violation was the presidential decree always issued on march 9, but it did not come out here, or what kind of violation everyone knows that the laureates should be named by the presidential decree, but he

did not consider them in reality. there is no such thing regulations about the prize nothing is said about the fact that the laureates must be announced by the presidential decree, on the contrary, it is clearly stated that the shevchenkovska committee makes a decision on the right of options and announces its decision on its website, everything is in place and at the same time submits to the president a draft of the presidential decree, that is, the shevchenko committee has to report to society and not just to be on errands with the president and to serve him in this case , the shevchenko committee performs the function of the state, which is fundamentally important, and in previous years it was so unwritten tradition, since nowhere is it said that the committee should wait for the presidential decree, the order of appearance was always that the committee makes a decision and almost immediately reports this decision officially , semi-officially, a member of the committee spoke, the chairman of the committee spoke, but the decision always

became known a few days after it was adopted by the committee and then there was already the presidential decree and it was not 9, but usually a few days before march 9, it should have been march 3, 4, two years ago it even happened that the committee announced the laureates on march 9, and president zelensky signed the decree in the middle of may, i don’t know why he dragged it out for so long, but there were no scandals then, because the main thing happened was that the country learned about the laureates no later than march 9, and here two things overlapped. for some reason, it is not known why yury makarov, the head of the committee, forgot about his own position. for some reason, he decided that the committee has keep silent about the laureates until the president announces it. he even wrote on facebook that the secretariat employees told them wait wait don't announce wait for

the president's decree so give it to us what managers the secretary of the organizing committee of the shevchenko committee manages the prize. they don't manage it. they are performers, so they had to depart from tradition two years ago . in an interview with the public in february, mr. yury makarov himself explained and commented on the decision of the shevchenkiv committee to award mr. oleksiy as a laureate. and this is the president's business and i am just less concerned about the options here , only two options have been expressed by the committee and the president can either sign the decree or not sign it . regards these options, maybe he doesn’t like one of those laureates, maybe he doesn’t even actively like it, but it’s an unnecessary scandal in an empty place. well, why is it? why

turn a large part of the ukrainian cultural community against yourself, so i think that the president is not going anywhere, he will sign when probably already in may, but will sign thank you oleksiy sir, a philosopher, translator, public figure was in touch with us, analyzed the situation of the shevchenkovskaya prize and other topics , in particular the renaming of russia to muscovy, we thank you for staying with us. ulyana panasyuk and antin barkovskyi spent these four hours with you on the air, but don't switch because there is a lot of interesting stuff ahead , in particular the world during the war with yuriy fizem , the usual time, the usual tv channel, a familiar host, this means that the espresso tv channel is on the air the program world during the war during it, i and my guests discuss the most important things that happened in the world, obviously often with reference to ukraine, what happened in the past week and we try