[000:00:00;00] according to my data, the most popular products in the army now are not fruits , but vegetables and stews and drinking water, and the ministry of defense has made great progress in terms of them, but there are still some positions left . unfortunately, such as apples well, let's continue to work. well, the military is watching us, and let us know. if there is evidence, we will tell. well, today also the former deputy minister of defense vyacheslav shapovalov, who was fired just after the corruption scandal that arose after you made public these contracts with eggs, yes he rejects the suspicion of lobbying for low-quality purchases and claims that before this the management had never expressed any complaints to him in his work. i understand that he is in a pre-trial detention center, but he gave his answers to the questions through lawyers to the journalists of ukrainian pravda, and he said that as i already

said that there were no complaints about his work before, and i want to ask you, yuri, and share your thoughts on whether it is actually deputy minister shapovalov, who is now preliminarily suspected to be the one behind all these schemes, can be more specific that this is really the person who in the end should bear the responsibility, is he extreme here or maybe you have some other opinion , in my opinion, minister deputy minister shapovalov is one of those people who really should be responsible for all those stories that are purchases of the ministry of defense and not only for food, but he is one of the ones who is actually now passing another exam on his abilities. well, how do you say , it should conduct, let's say, its part of the work after the journalists in order to

qualify the participation of all those related to this to of this story, that is, the work there should be a lot. but fortunately, it is not difficult. the detectives have to perform a number of actions, the results of which will be very clear. let's say who was involved in this story, what role did they play besides deputy minister shapovalov, including the minister. who gave instructions, etc. that is there is work to be done and i hope the detectives will do their part now have you had any communication with maybe since you published your investigation with the secretary of defense the only time we crossed paths with him was on meeting to which he invited me and several dozen other journalists and public activists, it was somewhere around a week, if i'm not mistaken. one and a half weeks after the publication, fortunately for me, the minister demonstrated to everyone his attitude to this story. he declared in front of the people in front of everyone that

he considers the publication of food prices for individual products to be idiocy, but he said it directly, everyone heard it except me, there were colleagues from the scheme project, well, from the freedom project, bigusinfo schemes and others, all there with me everyone gasped when they heard this, and at that moment, everything became clear about the minister himself, who believes that the price of products is unimportant, ukrainians should not know how to buy potatoes, well , let's say that in principle, i understood that further communication with the minister does not make any sense, he showed that he is not the solution to the problem there, and that he is part of the problem that needs to be solved . well, okay, but it is possible, but already now. he has revised his opinion, what do you say, judging by that , he also appointed deputies there, in particular for the ministry to become more deputies have nothing to do with these changes, that is, the appointment of the deputies of the dpr and shevchenko are

completely different profiles, there needs to be changes in some other departments. there are changes in the government regulations, changes in the law that it will work, but i absolutely already understand that it will happen completely outside the will of the minister, it is already without him, it will absolutely be his story, thank you very much yuriy nikolov, journalists, founder project, our money, we talked about the situation surrounding procurement for the ministry of defense, thank you very much, how ukraine plans to restart the bureau of economic security , in short, if you have never heard of such a body, now we will tell you everything, because in fact, this is a very, very telling story about how the ukrainian government is carrying out reforms. and what happens when, after the implementation of the reforms, the departments remain

unreformed? the bureau of economic security actually regularly reports on the results of its work every day. well, for example today they said that the detectives exposed a large-scale scheme for the production of counterfeit perfume products, and in general, during the period of its activity, which was more than 15 months, the bureau opened 664 criminal proceedings, but it is interesting that only 12 indictments were sent to court, and this actually called into question the effectiveness of the bureau, which in political by the way, they call it the department of searches in the verkhovna rada, the work of the bureau was recognized as unsatisfactory, now they want to reboot or eliminate it, first look at the material and then we will read the whole story let's discuss the bureau of economic security, the state established in 2021 this new law enforcement body came to replace the tax police and the economic departments of the national police and the sbu, the powers of the security service to combat financial crimes against the state, and not with old

methods, but with an emphasis on analytics, an idea that was borrowed from the best european and foreign practices there that is, it will not be an option for the tax police, when they first break down the door and lay it face down on the floor, and then figure out exactly how many taxes the entrepreneur has not paid about the key tasks of the body in the period of martial law is told by the head of the bureau of economic security, and it is a countermeasure to the embezzlement of funds from the budget - it is the detection of the blocking of the assets of the aggressor country , it is control over the completeness of the receipt of funds to the budget, it is the payment of taxes, at the request of business, we wanted to reduce the number of inspection bodies, reduce them to one body, one of class reforms that should take place and the key thing here should be because nowadays the lawmakers themselves are announcing a reform that has not yet been implemented and has been working

ineffectively for two years, the chairman said in one of the interviews faction of servants of the people david arahamia we received the dubep search department we have different approaches, some people's deputies propose to liquidate it, some to reform it, both camps admit that the body works inefficiently, so while we will seek consensus, the deputies were told that the election of the director of the bbu was a competition for the position , which took place without the participation of international experts only formal, all the representatives knew in advance who would be the candidate, it was organized so that mr. melnyk won this competition, the commission was formed by the cabinet of ministers, why exactly i do not know whether a decision was made in favor of this candidate, and vadim melnyk changed his face before coming to the office. he was the head of the state fiscal service. previously, he was the head of the tax police , who was replaced by the economic security bureau. experts and people's representatives assure that they had time

to conduct up to a hundred interviews in one working day, in other words, they had to ask for 500 hours in a row. well, in order to listen to everyone or listen to everyone there for two or three minutes and let people from the tax police be appointed, the head of the tax police and the head of the tax police recruited staff from the tax police, creating a new tax police under a new sign, even oleksandr leminov, this body is fully under the control of the deputy head of the president's office oleh tatarov, who sent his representatives there, we are talking about vitaly harich , deputy director of mr. melnyk, in the bureau of economic security, they assure that the contests were conducted in good faith, and their speed only

high productivity, i do not see any violation in the actions of the employees of the competition commission of the bureau of economic security, everything is done exclusively within the limits of the legislation quickly this does not mean that we lose quality quickly, we do it quickly, he does not agree with the idea of ​​rebooting the department, they say politicians want to collapse the reform, the implementation of which has not yet been enough neither time nor money - says vadym melnyk, the program should work, very correct, good algorithms are laid out, we need to help not to slander what we should not do, but help for sure. someone doesn't like us. i consider it generally political pressure on the bureau of economic security during the war , on the contrary, as an argument for the inefficiency of the bebu . people's deputies and experts note that in almost two years of work, not a single conviction has been brought and there are few suspicions. what the bureau does in the end is clarified at the meetings of the temporary of the investigative commission of the parliament. they systematically receive reports about crimes from other bodies, for example, from finmon, they received 125 materials last year, well

, in fact, which should have been on the next day, criminal proceedings will be held among them. if i am not mistaken, only nine of them became criminal proceedings , while the others were shared, even at the general prosecutor's office, which was also present today. we lost at least 20-25 billion , the customs there in general 100-120 billion, and alcohol somewhere there 5 billion, well, even the tobacco market 20 billion 60 bureaus of economic security do not have should be considered through the lens of the number of criminal proceedings, the number of suspicions, which is not always the case that a business allows a violation on purpose, we warn him, i did not understand, i did not hear then , criminal proceedings were investigated in the 22nd year , more than 900 criminal proceedings were investigated this year already 119, that is , the dynamics are strong, suspicions were announced for the

whole year 62 in the month of january alone, 25 in the bureau are told because of the insufficient budget for 2023, the body switched to reduced working hours, at the same time the parliamentary committee of finance , tax and customs policy recognized the work the leadership of the bep is unsatisfactory and offers the government to reboot it, liquidation is definitely not necessary . this is a normal reform that we must bring to the end despite the error of rebooting directly by the bureau of economic security, which should include re-electing or restarting the procedure for electing the head of the bep according to new approaches . the second is unequivocally conduct re-certification of all analysts and detectives iryna sysak pavlo kholodov and volodymyr pautov radio svoboda well, literally today people's deputy danylo hetmantsev in an interview with the newspaper liganet stated this literally quote he said in general the activity would be absolutely negative, but in terms of the grain of the gambling business and

the recent raids in one of the tobacco factories, i see the first sprouts of efficiency , what is wrong with bep and who should answer for the failed reform on which the money of ukrainian taxpayers was spent taxes, that is, our money with you, that's what we're going to talk about now . borys kushniruk, an economist, joins our broadcast. my greetings to you. good evening. so what's wrong with the reform? i was listening to it now and danyla hetmantsev and yaroslav zheliznyak, these are all the tichy people's deputies who passed this law and carried out this reform. and now they throw up their hands and say, well , something didn't work out because we didn't calculate something, we didn't calculate something enough, so what happened in the end well, first of all, let's from the latter, from political responsibility, who is responsible in the classics, i'm sorry, if the legislators and these conduct something wrong , then there is only one political responsibility, that is, voters should simply

realize that if they elect people not very competent people, then the consequences will be exactly what they did not do, therefore, unfortunately, it is necessary to understand that responsibility cannot always be the same as that of another. the only thing that needs to be done is to change the constitution , including in terms of reducing the term of the parliament to four years i would generally reduce it to three, but i want it to be possible to take four years, then four years in order to be able to change more often, including being aware of their consequences and evaluating the consequences of their activities as far as bep is concerned. unfortunately nothing new and unexpected did not happen. it was obvious to me that the approach itself or at the stage of the formation of the law on the web was already creating a problem for itself, because it was necessary

to strictly exclude the fact that people from the tax police would come there, unfortunately , and this is not an issue of public opinion, it is a matter of reality that it was an extremely total corrupt system, it is no secret for anyone and then all these people started working in whatever it was, what could be counted on in this case well, it is simply ridiculous to say something that is, just for the understanding of our audience, i will explain what was the tax department, which according to you was very corrupt, then instead of the tax police, they decided to create a website , the head of the tax police was transferred to the chair of the head of the bep, he brought people from the tax police with him, and this was the reform, let's say yes, to a certain extent, this is only a form, but in fact, the very idea of ​​formation would be correct, and here i cannot say what it is that needs to be buried , just because you did not make mistakes in

the procedure for choosing the leadership and yourself philosophy of activity for me, for example, it is obvious that we have a lot of problems , but it is connected with the fact that we have bep and other law enforcement agencies, they turn into a tool of actual blackmail and bribery, because you can block the activities of even powerful enterprises with billions of turnovers and a lot of nonsense accusations , which may then lead to nothing, but at the same time no one is responsible for causing losses to enterprises and, accordingly , reducing revenues to the state budget , that is, in the first place, it was definitely necessary to think about how to form the apparatus of this fund in order to simply emphasize that in some cases it would be simple to establish a ban on hiring people from the tax police

and law enforcement agencies in general . not the owners, but very high-level managers, they said, i'm sorry, that all schemes for withdrawing funds from the country are all well-known at the business level, and one of them told me that if i received the same salary as i received in the company, then i'm sorry i would overlap all these schemes very, very easily, because i do not understand how to do it, how they are created, how they need to be overlapped , therefore, in the main, the question here is how professionally trained these people are, and this, again, is a big problem, because our law enforcement agencies have well i do not give an assessment of the level of their professional knowledge as lawyers, but their economic knowledge is sometimes so low and so terrible that it leads to the fact that they begin to look for crime and

block the activities of enterprises for absurd reasons absurd reasoning, i won't just analyze the story on this matter, but there are a lot of them and for different departments, it concerns not only bepna nabu and other law enforcement agencies, which then when they explain why she is accused , it is impossible to look at it without laughter and tears, because it is long overdue is untalented and illiterate, so the question here is that their low professional level and then there are mechanisms if you have a claim against any structure of an economic nature well, there was a scandal around the owner of one of the it companies, and not so much in it business as in business, the activity is related to the construction of facilities there on the dnieper , well, excuse me, well, this is an economic matter, there is no crime there for which you need to arrange masks show you have claims you

should submit from the relevant services and civil lawsuits in order to stop the violations. if you think that there were damages , apply for compensation. she said that in principle , the money of ukrainian taxpayers was spent for this reform, and we have an idea. or maybe you know how much money ukraine spent on this reform of the bureau of economic security. no, i do not have such a figure. well, from a formal point of view, it can be calculated by opening the law on the state budget and, accordingly, see how much was invested in the activities of this organization in the 20-21-22 years and just in the first year, i remember what they would have started with. they started with a mask-show and blocking the activity of metallurgical plants on an absurd charge related to what is the basis for calculating lease payments. should it

be the tax base, should it be ore? katish for me well, it is so obvious that it can only be ore that there is nothing to even discuss. because the nature, the economic nature of the lease payments itself, it is related precisely to mining, to the fact that you mine, you impose taxes on this, as a result, they blocked the activities of the first three metallurgical companies, kryvyi ridstal , metinvest and ferexpo, as a result , methodist and kryvorizhstal now fought back, ferexpo accounts were blocked, and in an absolutely identical episode, why was it necessary to block the accounts of a company with billion turnover, if you have not yet proven in court that your actions were legally correct, there was any violation at all, and this is again a matter of philosophy, all companies that operate are legal based on real turnover. you should not block their activity, even if

you have a claim, please submit lawsuits and go to court and if you win the courts and there is a final decision of these courts, then you can demand there to pay a fine and everything else that you consider necessary, but it cannot be that the company’s activity is blocked, they are paralyzed and then the web tries or any another law enforcement agency is trying to prove that there is a crime in the actions of this campaign, so i'm sorry, you first prove that this is a crime, and then you block the activity , so here i say it again, the question is what is our general philosophy of relations between the state and business, as a rule. unfortunately, there is such a feeling of complete impunity on the part of law enforcement officers, they inflicted damage , who who can bear what responsibility for the damage caused to business and the state from the actions of law enforcement officers on a large scale, no one, no, well at least the verkhovna rada deputies are now promising that in march or april they have to restart the economic security bureau, we will keep an eye on the fact that ukraine is calling for international investors to come

to ukraine after the war and the ukrainian government is calling for its own business to develop , it is obvious that such problems do not contribute to the development of business, thank you you are very welcome borys kushniruk, economist, we talked about what is happening with the bureau of economic security well , the personnel shortage has reached the ministry of foreign affairs the ministry of foreign affairs for the first time in history is launching open recruitment of candidates for the positions of ambassadors due to a shortage of personnel, as explained there the head of the department of dmytro dmytro kuleba said this the day before, kuleba himself calls this step unprecedented, according to him, currently more than two dozen two dozen countries are without ukrainian ambassadors due to the problem of personnel shortage kuleba states that he himself is looking for ambassadors in the diplomatic system in the business environment among scientists but as he says , the pace of ukrainian diplomatic expansion is increasing, and in particular in africa, which has led to a shortage

ambassadors, the only way to correct the situation is to make non-standard decisions - said the head of the ministry of foreign affairs and called on all those willing who feel strong and inspired to submit their applications on the website of the ministry of foreign affairs, there is already a corresponding section of vacancies, now there are advertisements for the search for ambassadors to a number of african countries, as well as to armenia the czech republic, norway, oman, iraq, and by the way, iran is a country that is a reliable ally of russia in the war against ukraine, but as we can see , they are looking for an ambassador there. dmytro kuleba says that the task of the ministry of foreign affairs in selecting ambassadors will be to therefore, to quote in a sea of ​​water, to find a precious drop that will fuel the diplomatic service, the open search for ambassadors is an opportunity for the system to expand horizons, an opportunity for worthy candidates to try themselves there where earlier it was possible to get in only through closed institutional mechanisms, for the first time in the history of ukrainian diplomacy, i am opening the door so that everyone had equal opportunities to try to become a strong manager, which is now so necessary for our country in the world

. well, if you see yourself as an ambassador, apply now, this is a non-standard step from the ministry of foreign affairs let's discuss well, is he a non-standard diplomat, an expert on foreign security policy of the center for defense strategies, oleksandr khara, joined our broadcast oleksandr good evening, good evening , ladies, you have and you don't want to apply for a job vacancy, it seems to me that it would be appropriate to be there on this list tim dmytro kuleba, by the way, said that women will be, well, that is , if a woman and a man have equal opportunities and skills, then he will give preference to women in some way to strengthen the diplomatic corps with women, but you know oleksandr, in fact, this idea of ​​dmytro kuleba reminded me of behind the elevator, do you remember this recruitment program from volodymyr zelensky, i don't remember now how effective it turned out to be, but don't you have analogies like this how would

you generally appreciated this step by the ministry of foreign affairs. let's say this. i'm asking specifically. this is a good and effective step. is it some kind of stupid thing? well, you know . we will look at the result, but i am not sure that it will be so positive that this experiment will be successful, which will have to be done somehow. institutionalize or write down in some instructions a small excursion like ukraine regained its independence, i want to remind you that during the soviet union , ukraine, as a member of one of the founders of the un, had the ministry of foreign affairs of the ukrainian ssr, we had a certain number of diplomats who, well, in international organizations, the attitude is actually necessary was to expand, and then there was a call, and first of all, those who spoke foreign languages ​​were taken, well, of course, there is decency , professionalism, patriotism, eyes, trip, yaki

, papa, yena. they called gennady yosypovich the widower, and it is certain that this allowed this certain stage of growth to pass. then there were economic troubles and a large number of diplomats who returned from abroad, they did not return to the ministry of foreign affairs, they were looking for free bread there in business or somewhere else, and that is why we will say so again literally 10 years ago, the middle echelon of the ministry of foreign affairs, i mean the head. she was very young compared to our neighboring states . well, i’m not talking about the russian federation, where it will always be. she was very elitist the ministry just like that, no one got there, then there was a certain positive democratization when the opportunity was opened for anyone from the side to fill, let’s say, the benches of the ministry of foreign affairs and foreign institutions, well, first of all, they are ordinary diplomats. that is, there, starting from the attaché to somewhere around the adviser, and i think it was an absolutely correct experiment because

it is regulated. and let's say, there were very positive, let's say, examples when people from the academic community were transferred to the ministry of foreign affairs and such or such were important interesting findings for the ministry of foreign affairs. but with ambassadors, the situation is somewhat different if you look at practice in the world. i constantly mention the united states during the white clinton era, for 2/3 of the appointed ambassadors, they were, i apologize, they were staff diplomats. and during the time of bush jr., he appointed more appointees to fly. that is, it is normal when an outsider with no diplomatic experience can represent the state, there are definitely certain, let's say, nuances , the most important nuance is that in stable democracies , powerful politicians are often appointed or very people close to the head of state in an important country in order to have this direct call because you know the connection. i apologize because

sometimes it is better to call the president directly than the director of the department of foreign affairs , who will write a detailed note to the minister of foreign affairs, who will report to the head of the office , and then whether it will reach the the president or not and when it is unclear, we will say yes, sometimes it is very important to have a political appointment, we also had successful examples , for example, my first ambassador when i came to canada in 2002 was yuriy mykolayovych shcherbak is such a figure, a state-maker, this writer , that is, a person with a capital letter, and i understood that he was in his place. this is the cis. therefore , it is necessary to be careful, but it seems to me that this

initiative will not have much success , because despite the fact that we are a large country , it is quite easy to count the former ambassadors of people who are engaged in foreign policy or in the academy, are you in the expert community or journalists or intellectuals who can represent the state decently and already exist, you can look at their activities, that is, not just there ivanenka, maybe he has a good education, but he is nothing in public , i somehow did not show knowledge in there are no special ones and it’s unclear, well, that is, it’s a cat in a bag, it’s too big, so it seems to me that it would be possible to spend a day writing a letter , a list, more precisely, of these people who could be appointed ambassadors, and then work with them directly to contact ot

for example, you are a well-known person. your intellectual and other abilities are known to everyone who watches your channel. why not say . let's head some embassy there. i don't know where, although i looked at the list, i still think that a person should be a diplomat. well, at least have an idea about diplomacy, international relations, and so on. that is, it seems to me. somehow no, no , i do not agree here. it is not necessary to be a specialist in protocol, these are skills that are acquired because you know there are people who can, you can give the text and this person can write it anywhere. which in a language or there, how to speak several languages , he can read it. and the text itself is written by other people who may not have any technical diplomatic knowledge, but they are filled with certain , let’s say yes, let’s say so, they are intellectuals, they are able to formulate opinions , they understand the national interests of the state , that is, we need a case here -bycase, look at cases and there is nothing wrong with the fact that the person had no diplomatic experience, look for example

at mr. shevchenko, who was our ambassador in canada , who reproaches him for something, what did he do although he was a simple journalist, he was not a staff diplomat. it seems to me that he is perfectly well-rounded and he is , let's say, we know who he is when he was appointed . that is, it was not someone in a bag . we will keep an eye on this initiative of the ministry of foreign affairs. it will end oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert on foreign security policy, center for defense strategies, we talked about the initiative of the ministry of foreign affairs to recruit ambassadors, in particular for african countries, thank you well, svoboda life will return to the air tomorrow, and you in the meantime subscribe to the radio svoboda channel on