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. we will defeat everyone and endure everything. thank you and take care. sincerely, the audience and the whole team of the marathon, the only news is at 1:30 p.m. the marathon is still ongoing in the studio. maksym sikora and mykyta mikhalov are working for you . congratulations, yes, and with us now in the studio is oleksandr moskalyuk, our guest , candidate of legal sciences. associate professor of the department of constitutional law, faculty of law, taras shevchenko kyiv national university, good night , mr. oleksandr, good night, why are you taking so long? so late here live in our studio so the first topic for discussion we all understand is the topic of the previous day the incident with the united states drone over the black sea so the united states state department has summoned the russian ambassador over the incident with the american drone in the black sea according to a state department spokesman

the inappropriate behavior of russia is not acceptable the incident requires immediate decisions about the situation urgently informed nato members and the commander of the alliance forces in europe, general christopher cavoli, a russian su-27 fighter jet collided with an american drone over the black sea in the morning of march 14. as a result, the us air force drone was damaged and fell into the black sea. the white house noted that russian aircraft often intercept united states aircraft over the black sea, but this situation could lead to the crash of both aircraft, two russian su-27s behaved dangerously and unprofessionally in relation to the american reconnaissance drone mq9, which was in the international waters of the black sea

some time before that, the fighter dropped fuel in front of the uav and then came so close to it that it actually damaged the mq9 propeller, according to our estimates. this probably also caused some damage to the russian aircraft. previously , an interception of a conversation of the russian navy military, which was conducting a search operation in the black sea, appeared on the network they were looking for the wreckage of the american reconnaissance drone that collided with the russian su . judging by the negotiations, several ships and helicopters surveyed the black sea area and retrieved the engine, wing parts from the water the fuselage and gas tank are currently raised by three elements of the hull and now the fifth wing is looking for more living oranges finished the work visible parts of the object were raised visible parts of the object were raised the bow part

of the skin of the gas tank wing skin or the united states will continue to fly over the black sea the russians' attempt to contain the us air force has failed this statement white house national security council strategic communications coordinator john kirby let 's hear we will continue to fly and operate in international airspace over international waters the black sea does not belong to any country and we are going to continue to do what is necessary to ensure the interests of our national security in this part of the world we do not need to go through any registration of the russians before flying in international airspace john kirby strategic communications coordinator of the national security council under white at home

oleksandr moskalyuk in our studio, candidate of legal sciences mr. oleksandr and how to explain such a debt in russia, in your opinion, because today after after this event yes after of this incident, as it is called in the white house, several versions have appeared, one of them - it is like showing even putin before the visit that he still has something, or your version , you know, there are several options. as always, the first one is that it is an excess because when society is constantly pumped up with such hatred for the whole surrounding world, and this hatred is of course especially pumped up in the military, then wait for such precedents to appear, i don't think that putin himself is so ready

for even more escalation for one simple reason. well, he he loves life too much, well, look at the estates he lives in. look at his lifestyle, that is, you know, when we talk to you there about iran, it is a completely different story, because after the 1979 revolution , frank fanatics who lived in conditions of total asceticism ruled iran right or wrong ideology - i don't want to solve this right now , but they believe in this ideology, well, if they believed until at least a certain moment, then what is now is such a difficult question, how much this faith is preserved, so putin is just he has a different worldview, this is the first moment, this is on the one hand, but on the other hand, you know, the western world has allowed him to behave like a hooligan for too long, and it is always russia's relations with the entire civilized world, it was similar to the situation when a hooligan enters a restaurant

, a fashionable restaurant, starts well, no i know how to put my feet on the table and do some other things that are not customary to do in this restaurant or just in a gentlemen's club, but the gentlemen are not ready for this and they just don't know how to do it at first to react and it seems to me that this could be another option for such a change in behavior, but frankly, let's talk with you that it is unlikely that someone told putin about the existence of this drone and putin gave the corresponding order, well, it's too long. this procedure would be would take time. especially considering that well, how can we now at least talk about reaching putin ? it’s not that simple

. it’s also interesting. the wording of the ministry of defense was also interesting. conditionally in neutral territory, he flew into the so-called zone of conducting the so-called so-called spying. this is the wording on him. by the way, the white house and the state department did not react in any way. i understand that no one recognizes any unmanned zone of the so-called international law - this is the territory of ukraine even if it happens like that because of course the united states of america as an option of behavior simply does not even pay attention to it this is xs it may have consequences tomorrow the day after tomorrow in a week well let's say if to deduct in some fractions of the percentage, this is an increase in aid. but i think that the united states of america, taking into account the finances , the funds spent on security, in principle, they are ready to go somewhere to such an amount , you know, it's like two boxers, if they exchange blows, then the winner the one that is more powerful and for the united states of america, well

, it is not a problem to lose one drone, there is a second or third, their economy will not suffer as much from this, of course, as the economy of the russian federation, well, it after all, it is sharpened under the eyes of these military goals, and it is also not so fatal for them, but everything is equal, well, it is not in comparison, why become mr. oleksandr, they deliberately do not go for any escalation because, well, on the one hand, they call the ambassador to the carpet of the russian and on the other hand, it can also be interpreted as a kind of attack on the united states, because the drone is american, and this is not a coincidence, returning to the same sports terminology and analogy. it is one thing when there are boxers, in principle, they fight among themselves according to certain rules, or not i know there are wrestlers. and it’s a completely different matter when this boxer is to a certain extent the very, very high-class one there, you can’t expect what

will come to mind about this, here’s our hooligan with you , there is a collective hooligan and a personal hooligan . if you want putin, yes, that’s one moment. i one more moment the fact is that legal literature always says that what binds america together is the presidential republic, the president is the key figure, but in fact in democratic societies, in any democratic society , not one person always makes decisions and the decision-making mechanism itself has such a prolonged character, there will never be such an immediate reaction well, because it affects public opinion , including certain senators , congressmen, influential persons, and all this must be analyzed, you know, in the conditions

of a clearly sharpened authoritarian system. well, by and large, as the tsar said, well, if that is enough, even then, even in such a system, everything still has its own undercurrents . is it appropriate to draw an analogy between this incident and an incident that at one time turkey happened when everything next time we shoot down your plane they shot down and russia okay flew in the plane their comparison what do you understand russia and turkey from the point of view of their features of the political regime are much closer than there turkey and the united states of america or turkey and russia and after all, in turkey there is also a personification of power , although it is not as serious as in russia, and therefore there it is simply the case when, relatively speaking , a boxer meets a hooligan. and when two hooligans meet, yes, even here, if not b

who has an advantage? well, maybe there is an advantage in the one who is more unhinged uhu and what is a technical question, the detail is interesting, what the russians report that they took the engine of some parts of this unmanned aircraft from the black sea from the water area. i thought , do you remember that comment by white home what, for example, such expensive drones as the gray eagle, it was a reaper, it is not a gray eagle, will not be transferred to the armed forces of ukraine , since it may be the subject of some kind of espionage research, so if he will fall into the hands of the armed forces of the russian federation, here this ripper is part of it, they get it in order to disassemble them or in order to prove something, to prove something to someone, it is not a fact that they got it. well, they already reported that they got it for the second time. well, let's imagine the situation that it was disassembled there, but then in order to draw any conclusions from it, it is still a whole, well, a long period of time is enough. i do not think that

everything is so simple here that these wreckages will allow the russian federation or something similar to start production. well, in the principles of launching something in production, well, it is such a long period of time, when is production, or to find options for how to fight these drones there? therefore, you know more, it is more just such an informational topic. well , we need to show them some victories and, first of all, victories over the american drone drone. yes, no. they will believe, well, they will raise their fighting spirit after this type, now it is not even a question of faith, it is simply perceived as a fact , as a given, but if they said it, then it will have to be accepted, well, such realities

a society that is far from the society of the 21st century. how paradoxical, how strange it is, despite the fact that it would seem that everything is the same there, technology, everything is the same, it would seem that it is not north korea, but the mass consciousness proves that any, even the most stupid things are perceived as facts, but about stupid people, about putin , he and his associates will appear before the court. 32 countries have already supported the creation of a special tribunal for russia. the un general assembly should consider the international sentencing mechanism for the crime of aggression by the federation. this is a mandatory phrase that must be in the document so that the tribunal is not a hybrid. they do not recognize the jurisdiction of the international criminal court. this is how the kremlin commented on the intentions of the international criminal court, oleksandr well, and what does all this mean? do not recognize and do not recognize the international criminal court because of that, it will not

stop collecting evidence, and this coalition of countries that is going to conduct these investigations does not diminish the position of russia here, it essentially worthless. well, you know right away. in the end, the issue of basic physical access to those persons who will be accused of these crimes and who were supposed to appear before the international criminal court , there is still no physical access to them and it is difficult to imagine how it can appear in under conditions when russia is still a nuclear country, and even from the experience of non-nuclear countries, it was difficult to implement in a number of cases the introduction of such international responsibility into the procedure only after certain changes took place in the middle societies themselves, well, the most banal example is related to milosevic. that is, only when

some internal processes have already begun, but these internal processes have matured in russia . so far, there is no feeling that they are really maturing, although you know, in principle, everything can be because the history of the russian the federation of the russian empire , too, in 905-907, the war with japan led to quite serious upheavals within society itself, as well as in the end , the 17th year also testified to the fact that after all changes under the influence of certain factors. they can take place. can you explain the legal nuances in this, what is the essential difference between an international special tribunal and a hybrid tribunal? that is why the word hybrid does not accept variants. when an international tribunal is created from a specific precedent, for example, there is genocide yes, was there

, for example , an international tribunal created for the temporary conflict with the former yugoslavia? yes, and there is an option. when in fact it is created by the decision of certain countries there, but there are precedents of precedents of such a plan. well, they are not enough because basically all the tribunals that were created were based on the resolution of the united nations, that is, i myself do not fully understand what mechanism the states want to create in order for it to be recognized not only by these states, it is important right away, let's not forget that the world if we didn't want it, it is not limited to europe, it is not limited to the united states of america, so that

it is recognized by other countries, so probably and there is a decision that it should be carried out through the general assembly of the united organization, then this will be a separate legitimization, in essence, this is in essence the legitimization of this tribunal , but the fact itself is interesting, you know, i already gave an example of how in his speeches the head of the russian foreign ministry, lavrov very often and clearly repeats the points of zelenskyi's peace plan and says that it does not suit us, but he memorized them , now piskov comments on international criminal courts, a special tribunal, they get used to this opinion, it seems to me and she is in they are at work. it also seems to me. but i don’t think that they have this opinion, if for them they are used to it, you understand right away, there is also another question of how these people evaluate their life and their future from different positions, if we

take, for example, american billionaires they can think, and even there, soros, there are others, yes, they talk about things that will be significant there in 50 years, there in 100 years, if we are talking even about some visionaries, that is, for them, their life is not limited physically to their life, they consider the future from the point of view of the continuation of their lives through their children through there grandchildren eventually there if they are visionaries of a global scale through the life of humanity as such if we are talking about all these laurel putins there they do not think in these categories they think exclusively within the limits of their life, and at the same time they want this life to last forever well, but so far there is no such pill that would make it possible to do this well, just as there is no eternal engine

, i have two points here that i would also like to can you clarify in order for the court, yes , the tribunal over the russian federation of political and military leaders of the russian federation for crimes of aggression to be held, and for its legitimation, yes , for the legitimacy of this tribunal, because we need countries, we now have 32, according to minister kuleba, so that it should be legitimized by the un , so to speak how much is needed 140-110 in international law there is such a concept that each state has one vote, each state is equal regardless of its territory and its population, well, accordingly , you can simply count if the only thing is when we let's talk about voting within the united nations, it's interesting that it happens differently than , for example, in the verkhovna rada. that is, there are countries that abstain and they are excluded from the list and the ratio of countries is taken into account, and the ratio between countries that vote for and against is taken into account that's why i can't tell you now how many countries will be needed, because it will have to be understood. it will depend on

how many countries, for example, abstained. well , what is needed is not an absolute majority, but a majority , yes, relative to those who took part in the vote. not in relation to those who took part in the vote, but in relation to the majority of those who were against even so, and one more point, conditionally speaking, yes, i will simplify it so that it is simply easier. characters who are in the russian federation and who can theoretically appear before the court, this is what you said before the country itself, well, in the country itself, there will not be any movements in this case of the russian federation, that is, in fact, no instruments in addition to the stories from the movies, where special forces kidnap politicians and take them to court, that actually does not exist today. while they are sitting in russia, they are sitting there, there is a problem with cymbals . the fact is that, you know

, it is one thing for us to kidnap eichmann from argentina. we're talking about i don't know putin even elementary it's physically related to the size of the territory of this state is another topic today already today march 15 allied countries will gather online for the 10th jubilee rammstein preparation for it the day before during a visit to the south of ukraine the ministers of defense of ukraine and the netherlands discussed reznikov and olongren . later, reznikov spoke on the phone with the us secretary of defense lloyd austin about ramstein. they determined the priorities of military aid for the armed forces of ukraine. and the jubilee 10 ramstein, which if i'm not

mistaken in the online format will take place , will bring us some pleasant buns and bonuses for such a word, as not the jubilee, but the ninth i don't know rammstein, a girl there, for example, wants to be given the universe as a gift. and they give her a star from the sky, and that, in principle, a star from the sky is also a good particle, but i want the universe, for example, and the same here, that is, in fact, they give us a huge help, but of course that we would like to receive more of this help. well, how can we do it so that we have our own opportunities to influence these things, there are also enough restrictions for us, the most important thing is to influence the elites, influence public opinion , and through influence on the elites, through influence on

public opinion can somehow be successful. and by the way, in this regard, the absolutely correct steps are taken when our politicians are there. the minister of foreign affairs appears on a tv show in america because it matters because the current world , the current political world, it is not the political world of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century. this is the world of show business. a politician must be a good showman. then he is popular . look. elementary trudeau. by other politicians in the ring of funny socks, trump is also a showman he even starred in home alone, but this is one of the reasons why he was able to become president, i want to emphasize another , you remember, we all remember why this ramstein format was formed, that's how it was formed in order to bypass the nato bureaucracy and make faster

decisions with nato members, but without a visa in nato itself. if mr. reznikov, our minister of defense, says today that there is solidarity of partners and it adds optimism, this means that this format is just as slim and it is the main thing today, as you think. well, only bureaucracy, it will still be present in conditions where there is a collective nature of decision-making. to agree than when an agreement between ten people is simply on the level i don't know the physics of rammstein - in essence it probably cannot be called a fair, but in essence we gathered on the platform here is this table and we still agree on it oleksandr define the planes in

there are 40 of you there, we know you are like that yes, okay, maxim, you mean lassabrem tanks, i’m just rowing, there are 500, and i’m like that , artillery systems and everything, and we take turns because, for example, maxim will say, well, 40, i can’t give, i can give 20, but i can and yes, but we need to have 40, you understand, so we need to find someone else . that is, where there is such a general principle of decision-making, the more subjects are involved in solving issues, the more difficult the decision will be. in ramstein's plan, in my opinion, this is a plus that difficult decisions are made, nothing many members of ramstein join even the struggle of opposites on the one hand it is good on the other hand if it were for example the united states of america, at the same time there would be an opportunity to perfectly influence the united states of america if there too it were not a system of collective decision-making then it

would be more more effective than in fact, this is in many cases an attempt to shift responsibility to some other entity well, that's how it turns out a week ago there was talk about himars systems and shells for them this absolutely purely the history of the states, this is not rammstein. it’s just that we will take if you and i take the sizes of which states are there . tens of billions, the total size. i even heard the figure of 104 billion military economic aid, that is huge funds from one side from the other side for the united states of america it is not such large funds because they are commensurate with the funds spent by this

country on the war with afghanistan, well, for a second, only for next year, the white house is asking congress to allocate a record 886 billion dollars for defense, and this is the largest budget during the second world war, this is a total of 886 billion, and there is a shock landing, which, by the way, today nikolenko, our spokesman for the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine , officially invited to come here and talk to see with his own eyes the steps they are typical of our time. yes, when an attempt is made to translate what is usually on the sidelines , it's like a house of cards in this series, it's not bad enough to transfer it to the rank of public, such a level of public discussion, mr. oleksandr, thank you for this

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