[000:00:00;00] she chose her country, we destroy the enemy, we are hardened in battles, we value brotherhood, we protect our own glory to the brave glory to the strong territorial defense forces of the armed forces of ukraine documentary trilogy military intelligence of ukraine at sea in the sky on earth the most remote piece of ukrainian land in the middle of the black sea snake island is a strategic point for special forces of military intelligence disembarked and stormed the snake , they understood that it was a complex operation, we on intelligence took part in it

, did a lot in order to return this island and in the end, he was returned by the russian cruiser moskva, which was sent to the bottom of the sea in the black sea with neptune missiles at first on the radio station. such a ship should do nothing battle for snake island as a symbol of ukrainian victory over russian aggressors at sea movie second sea battle for snake island watch today march 15 at 21:15 a joint information marathon continues , the only news we work for you live and the next topic is likely negotiations or a meeting or a telephone conversation between chinese president xi jinping and volodymyr zelenskyi, chinese president xi jinping can talk with the president of ukraine, at least such negotiations are being called for in the united states of america and they are very hopeful that this will happen, although it is not yet

officially planned. washington has already appealed to beijing for such negotiations in private and public format meanwhile , joe biden and xi jinping are to hold talks soon, the president of the united states announced during a meeting with british prime minister rich sunak in san-diyova what to expect from china here our nastya olinska asked the experts let's listen and see him 65 he is an aerospace engineer and a general in the past and also the director of the special agency that procured weapons for the chinese army that in russia it was under the chairmanship of lishan-fu, the newly appointed minister of defense of china, that it purchased 10 su-35 fighters and s-400 anti-aircraft missile systems are such a military asset for china that lishan fu then signed a place on the us sanctions list, given his

extensive experience in technological rearmament of the chinese army. perhaps he will once again massively transfer the chinese army to a higher technological level for ukraine . the newly appointed minister of defense of china will not bring anything good, experts say, so the prc is getting one step closer to the possible transfer of weapons or components to russia . it is too early to talk about the world war in reality but the fact that this is such a conflict against the background of the fact that the united states can support ukraine and china and iran can start to support russia more actively and thus increase the degree of confrontation, that's it of course, there can be a degree of tension on the international arena, and the plans of the president of the people's republic of china, xi jinping, to meet personally with putin and zelenskiy, to talk via video link, although there are no official confirmations of any of these plans yet, but it is already official. this is

what the chinese leader wants to talk to. and biden with his potential, if he joins in helping russia he can drag on for not one year, two years there, but for 5-10 years until the resources of the parties are completely exhausted, or china, on the contrary, will be able to put to insist on sitting down at the negotiating table does not actually force us to exchange territories for peace however, it is precisely china who is the mediator in the negotiations regarding the war in ukraine that cannot be so noted in the european commission, because the prc did not condemn russian aggression when it comes to ukraine and russia, china actually chooses one of parties china refuses to recognize who is the aggressor and who is the victim by the way gives ambiguous signals to the world on the one hand demonstrates strength and in the chair of the minister of defense had

connections with of foreign affairs of the former ambassador i ride in the united states anastasia olinska we are ukraine marathon the only news well, we will talk about the china factor in the next few minutes nataliya butirska, an expert on east asia issues, a master of foreign policy in our studio, i wanted to say good night to you mrs. natalya, i congratulate you so to begin with, how likely is a telephone conversation in general, what is being said in the white house, in particular sullivan, between xi jinping and volodymyr zelensky, in your opinion, we are now we must talk in a complex, what gave rise to the idea of ​​talking to zelensky in the first place, the fact is that xi jinping, according to various sources , again, chinese diplomacy is very closed, and that is why i found out about xi jinping’s visits, for example, the last one, which were the asian countries and where he went, literally in two - three days all. therefore, now there is talk of the fact that sitinpin is going to go to russia, to moscow, russian sources say that this should

happen literally before the end of the month, even on the 21st, it was announced by various sources. the visit was actually planned for some time, because at the end of last year, putin invited xi jinping to visit him. and now i think that there is such a dilemma for, perhaps , chinese diplomacy, because if at the present time you just go to moscow, you mean from china some steps are expected, that is, there should be some kind of breakthrough from the point of view of moscow, on the one hand, on the other hand, if they just talk about their bilateral relations and discuss relations with ukraine in the meantime, this will in a certain way affect the reputation of china, because already after a year, considering that china took a lot of steps that were perceived as steps that help russia, and it is gradually

gaining such an image that it is still a party. it is not neutral, but pro-russian . congratulations to such a party. an independent party that conducts its independent foreign policy , accordingly, there should be a balance of this visit , if it is carried out , at least the conversation should take place separately from the point of view of diplomacy. in addition, the american side voiced its effort and encouragement to dialogue is not only that behind the scenes there are such conversations so that after all the chinese side will finally hear ukraine's position because it is permissible to talk only with putin and meet only with putin. well, this is a little incorrect , especially for such a global power as china is and for his ambitions, which he wants to actually produce in this world, an interesting episode happened, you know, the day before putin went

to ulan-ud, so he went to buryatia and he had a visit to the industry at the factory one this plant by the way, the day before it came under the sanctions of the united states of america, there is confirmed data from american intelligence that through the ulan ud as through a certain gasket excuse me, the supply of more than 1,000 aerospace spare parts, so chinese, for the needs of the russian federation, and here is the official official legend about why putin then went, it is not voiced, but in the context of the interaction of the circumvention of sanctions, how can we comment on this, something is happening and probably xi jinping will also talk to putin and about these things, how can you help inconspicuously? i think that this help is imperceptible, it has already been worked out and maybe it is not necessary for putin to discuss these things, because the contacts between the two sides at the level

of ministers of defense, at the level of commanders of military forces, at the level of patrushev, at least two visits, that is, here, here, all relations of this nature, they are discussed, after all, xi jinping's visit, it will be deeper, this is not only a confirmation of their strategic such strategic interaction, bilateral interaction. well, that such a step is certain for china, because we have recently seen, in such a short period of time, china's more active participation in the war and even the desire to be, well, at least a peacemaker, and accordingly, this visit has a more global character than just discussing there, especially considering that that the united states emphasizes the probability of arms delivery and on the red lines by building these red lines

well of course it would be too much for china for the leaders to discuss these things because china does not want a conflict at all and they emphasize it so you know, he recently visited moscow and he emphasized that we have bilateral relations with russia, and what he focused on the most was strategic relations . that is, this is what china is trying to achieve. well, that is , actually, today china is trying to win in some way the hegemony of the united states and he is now actively involved in supporting russia , emphasizing that it is the united states that alone governs at the global level . but at the same time, it is a force that constantly undermines the world order. it creates

conflicts it creates misunderstandings, and it is the united states today that is the chinese version that is constantly offered to everyone, but today ukraine and russia can negotiate with it, they can find reasons for dialogue, but there is a third hand, a third force that is not at all interested in this and xijinping even already named the united states in his context that they undermine the development of china for the first time he voiced the united states and other high-ranking officials in the context of russian aggression against ukraine always talked about the hand of the united states, and accordingly, there are more motives, for example, signals to the united states that the interaction between the two countries is working, that while the united states is creating its blocs , let's say, in order to restrain the development of china, well, they also have a very serious such a serious contact between russia and china

. strictly speaking, that is, where we are now, there are two contexts and the context of ukraine, there are wars in ukraine and many countries in the world, some help ukraine, others watch from the side and third powers are trying to take advantage of the situation and somehow make up for their economic opportunities there, in this case there is another great power of china, which is also trying to use this situation of its own in view of the difficult relations between the united states and in view of the fact that the competition and rivalry between them is developing and most importantly - this is all happening around taiwan, and for a year china tried behind russia's back to accuse the united states of repeating rhetoric and repeating narratives, and now it

is entering a wider such space and is already trying not only to speak, but also to push certain of his own desires, let's say his own interests, in view of this whole complex situation, taking into account china's position , taking into account china's actions, taking into account xi's probable visit to moscow. how do you assess the chances of contact between president zelensky and chinese president xi jinping? i think that this contact will still take place, and now there are much more chances than it was before . because after all, the ukrainian side has been trying to reach this contact for a year, which is precisely because china is now literally recently announced his proposal regarding the solution to the ukrainian crisis, that is, china has already made a certain signal that it is ready

to participate more actively, but their peace plan is this. today i read your colleague's opinion, i do not remember, unfortunately , which international expert wrote these points of china can be used to their advantage by both ukraine and russia, because they are quite blurred and each can be interpreted as a name. eastern, but i will tell you more about that, that every point of the plan was written for china, that is, he wrote it was written first of all for and . actually, for what he wants to see in relation to himself, this is the most important thing. nevertheless, china , having already announced this proposal, now he has how to approach it, but whatever i want to say, this proposal is to some extent a trojan horse for ukraine because, being a party closer to russia and offering these points of the plan, china will push closer to russia's position, perhaps

a position that is not very acceptable to us because on today, china has never once acknowledged that there is a war on the territory of ukraine , that it is on the territory of ukraine that russia has seized part of our territory, and that in this situation there are two sides, one of them is the aggressor, and the other side is the one that was attacked, and the absence absolutely this recognition and distinction, and it nullifies any proposals because from the point of view of ukraine, we want to achieve stable peace, stable peace is, well, the first thing is when the aggressor leaves our territory, stable peace is when we will have a guarantee that this war will not will be repeated in view of the fact that for 10 years we have been in a permanent state of war and in a permanent war

with russia, and by offering this peace, china is now pushing the russian desire to freeze the conflict in this form, which is also behind the scenes, i analyzed those statements, for example we can't analyze that with one plan, only the announced one, and yet with actions, what officials said at one time or another and behind the scenes, that we hear what china says about the fact that there is no supply in ukraine, that is, well, leave the means defense is so in ukraine about the fact that they are sanctions in general well, this is a form of pressure and they are unacceptable, and offering a peaceful solution , china offers us such and such a formula that is very incomprehensible because, first of all, does it guarantee the withdrawal of russian troops from ukrainian territory? well, of course not.

any proposals that can consider this situation, no, but the proposal of just peace and negotiations is very abstract, however, just a few days ago, with the help of the saudis through the mediation of china, saudi arabia and iran reconciled let's say so, they decided to restore their diplomatic relations and this step can be used by china at the moment as a very positive step of their mediation as their experience of mediation is very good and they can also offer us something similar that peace is better than war that the parties can come to an agreement here we must grasp again from the point of view ukraine, what are they offering us and

what are they trying to promote in general ? by the saudis and iran, as already written by the western press, for example, it confuses a lot of international international diplomatic maps , well, this is a separate story, but about the peace plan, yes, the taiwan factor, remember sullivan , who said that this is the entire peace plan of china. it still needs to be studied, but you can stop on the first point, the inviolability of the sovereignty of ukraine, and you know, he didn't mean only ukraine, he also meant taiwan, we are talking about what i told you, that this is actually what he wants to see, or do we still expect one hot spot in the world, in particular already after 2027, and i will touch on the topic of increasing the military budget , what is being asked for, because in particular they are asking because of the tension between beijing and washington, the tension is increasing and today you can see that there are various forecasts, there are forecasts from the point of view

of american intelligence that this conflict is inevitable, and the two sides are preparing, and we see two things, on the one hand, this is an invitation to dialogue, and on the part of china, also an invitation to cooperation, for example, at this time when the congress was taking place on the one hand they talked about the big budget, that is, and not only about the big budget. they told you in the story that the minister of defense was a person who was under the sanctions of the united states, that is, this person who will contribute to russia and china cooperating even more with each other in the military plan, increasing their and training and interaction, and this is a person who used to be involved in some kind of space because recently china has been paying a lot of attention to the development of space forces and in particular satellite

communications considering what is happening on our battlefield considering the fact that starlinks for example, they help the ukrainian military to communicate better, and they are now working on making satellites similar to their own, which would be able to help them in any case, that is , steps to strengthen the cohesion of their army to increase the potential. in japan, we know that many of china's neighbors are also strengthening their potential. well, in particular , taiwan itself . the submarine fleet actually has five virginia -class submarines by the 30th year, that is, all sides are building up their military potential , at least for deterrence, this suggests that military tension will increase, and here

we will hope that it will work . maybe there is some other factor preservation and some kind of rational such attitude to actually speaking to the development of the situation and that there will be no accidents with russia, it did not work , what form do you think it will be a cold war or an open conflict, in my opinion, we need wait and see how several factors will develop here, firstly, how the war will develop in our country, it will seriously affect how and in what form russia will emerge from this war, and it will depend on how china will be and how prepared it will be with military methods to act conditionally speaking if russia comes out like a beaten dog china looks like this makes conclusions and such well good let's from taiwan we will be full conclusions so that regarding military actions

next next see what is what is important taiwan not everything is clear in taiwan either, because many taiwanese entrepreneurs work actively both in china and with china, and also in taiwan there are two parties, a two-party system , one of them is the kuomintang party, it is currently in the opposition, but in 2024 presidential elections are to be held and we really don't know how it will happen, for example, because a lot will depend on china's behavior, but last year there were local elections, local elections and local elections, so the kumintang party won the majority. we can't judge, for example, what it is definitely this guomindang party it will take the first let's say this this is the presidential seat, but nevertheless china is counting on such a possible option, that is, in the case of the transition of this party, there is a high probability that china will be able to come to an understanding with the island let's say

the probability of a military invasion there it can be pushed aside because china says now that the separatist forces are in power and the red line for him is the declaration of independence, that is, there are many factors that he will take into account when planning his actions regarding the probable of public contacts that the united states state department is talking about with xi jinping, you know that the talks between joe biden and xi jinping may take place soon, they were announced by the president of the united states himself during his meeting with the british prime minister, the decision was made in san diego, well, in fact, it happened the day before in fact , he answered the journalist's question during the briefing do you plan to meet with zinqin , he said yes when he did not say because

it is still in the plans, for example, the chinese foreign ministry he said that the necessary prerequisites are needed for china and the united states to review their behavior and attitude to get rid of the offense because not only the balloon china does not like very much that, well, from their side the united states if they raise such hysteria about the balloon there and in general create such inconveniences create inconveniences and what they raise if the partnership relations are at such a level that they hold back china's development instead of conducting a proper dialogue instead of calling for in order to accept china's opinion as it is, to deal with it, and well, of course, there will not be ideal relations between the two countries, but still china is trying to create a certain basis for this dialogue to take place, well, at least to bargain. let's say so. well, but also itself

china is not against having this dialogue because the newly elected prime minister said at his press conference yesterday, among various things that are traditionally a bit criticized, he said that the two countries, the united states and china, are very interconnected and it would be expedient and rational for them to cooperate with each other, it will be good for both countries that they and actually speaking , their cooperation will do good for the whole world, that is, there are two visions on the one hand , political and diplomatic such an aggressive response to some things from the point of view of the united states, he is ready to counterattack now, and on the other hand, there are only proposals that well, let's trade, business , let's not destroy those achievements what are the ones that harm our relations, tell me, and the same fluids are positive on the part of the white

house, whether they are felt or not. well, in my subjective opinion. i emphasize now for our viewers that this is my subjective opinion in the state. peels more than gingerbread gives china, well, there is really serious tension in the air, and these gingerbread are not gingerbread , they are more visible. but nevertheless, look at the economic aspect of china and the united states, they increased their turnover last year and it is 60 billion, that is, there is this situation is very multi-layered. on the one hand, it is multi-layered in the political sense. of course , there is competition and rivalry

, it will grow. on the other hand, there is a business that is interconnected and he wants to work . so that now the two countries are gradually moving towards the separation of these economies and this is so painful for them for both of them in general, this is a story because they worked together for a very long time and grew a lot in this economy and that's why everything not simply in the relations between the two countries, well, can it be simple if the united states of america represents the democratic part of the planet. let's do it, and china represents , after xi jinping acquired the full power of the autocratic part of the planet, and this is felt more and more, that is, when biden immediately came to power and he began to build relations, continuing to a certain extent trump's policy of containing china , he began to build that into politics in the world

where talking about the opposition of democracy to autocracy and even possibly two years ago it was not perceived as categorically and as clearly as it is happening today, because really the first thing is that xi jinping really already got all the possible mechanisms , he concentrated in his hands the elements of power, his entourage works in high positions, people who are close to him, this is the first thing. but the most important thing is that really china now and creates a circle of countries around itself which, to put it mildly, well, it really does not correspond to the principles of democracy at all, this is iran, close relations, this is also the visit of the belarusian dictator and a number of such actions that show

that china unites around itself certain disaffected deprived people or those who do not like the united states. it is a soft diplomatic expression. in fact, it can be called the word authority. no, these are absolutely vassals, such as iran, belarus, and so on. these are countries whose sovereignty is guaranteed by the essence of the people's republic of china countries that are dependent and certain dependencies and those countries that reach out to china because having such a powerful force behind their shoulders well, of course they feel too much better well, plus iran, let's see during your visit the president of iran received such good agreements for 40 billion, that is, confirmation of 40 billion chinese investments over 25

years. well, nevertheless, it is not just about deterrence, it is more about cooperation and whatnot. this circle of countries dissatisfied with the sanctions is gathering among themselves is looking for ways, and having in its partners such a serious economy, large in china, which strives to dominate, and as well as having china in its hands, which strives to withdraw the yuan as an international currency in opposition to the dollar, of course these countries become much more comfortable and it is much calmer that they will be able to function now. well, it will be much easier for them to do it ms. natalya, thank you for this conversation, it is extremely interesting to follow how events will develop and who will be the first to contact by phone , volodymyr zelenskyi or joseph biden well, we continue the marathon, the only news continues , the channel is working for you, we ukraine will be back