[000:00:00;00] there is no talk of deterrence, but rather of cooperation and the fact that this circle of countries dissatisfied with the sanctions is gathering among themselves, looking for ways, and having in its partners such a serious economy , large in china, which aspires to dominate, and as well as having china in who wants to introduce the yuan as an international currency against the dollar, of course it becomes much more comfortable and much calmer for these countries to be able to function and now, well, it will be much easier for them to do it ms. natalya, thank you for this conversation it is extremely interesting to follow how the events will develop and who will be the first to contact volodymyr zelenskyi or joseph biden by phone, well, we continue the marathon , the only news is ongoing, the channel is working for you

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the guards of the offensive, it's time to return yours, we will finally destroy the enemy , including on the information front, we are working on this, now we will focus on the topics which concern our country, namely on the accession of ukraine to the european union and nato, this is not charity, but a pragmatic interest for europe, according to the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba, the so-called retention of our state on the periphery will only encourage further russian aggression further quote ukraine's membership in the eu and nato should not be perceived as charity or redemption , it is of pragmatic interest to the european community itself ukraine's membership in the eu and nato will become a guarantee of long-term peace and stability, there is no need to look back at the fact that they will say in moscow with putin it's over, he laid all his cards on the table, he's bankrupt, but

ukraine must win we will definitely win with the constant and timely support of our partners dmytro kuleba minister of foreign affairs of ukraine at the ukraine oxford 2023 summit, european horizons for ukraine, russia continues to work on the creation of biological weapons, and this is contrary to the convention on its prohibition , a representative of the us state department stated this, net price, at the same time, in order to justify its own aggression , the kremlin accuses ukraine of this activity , similar statements are already being heard more than 9 years and a few months ago, russia launched a campaign to spread lies about the so-called dirty bomb that was allegedly being prepared in ukraine, i would like it here to joke that russia has flown so on her constant accusations that in ukraine there are biological pigeons and so on ducks that fly to russia mosquitoes now taras zoftenko adds well this is an expert on international security of the democratic initiatives fund named after ilka kuchareva

our congratulations to you mr. taras congratulations this is an accusation on the part of the underprice. you know, it is a diplomatic signal, not a diplomatic real accusation and a hint that, well, bobo, how should we interpret this statement, including, well, actually , we see that the russian federation is trying first of all, to blame someone for what she does herself, this is a typical approach of russian propaganda. well, actually, there is absolutely nothing to be surprised about that our western partners , having intelligence, having all the information in their hands and understanding that the russians are absolutely engaged in this in violation of all international agreements that are so and build their policy and their propaganda campaign in such a way as to blame it primarily on the same united states, of course, that our western partners are now opening their eyes

here are all the cards, especially since well, it seems to me that these accusations towards the russian regime actually have a certain connection with china , because we heard that the united states also has a certain internal initiative there, which comes from the american congress, so about the fact that to declassify data related to the possible artificial origin of the covid-virus and, first of all , it is about the connection with china. well, obviously there is such a subtle hint here, including to beijing, that it is not worth being an ally until the end of the russian regime, which will definitely be accused of the fact that they are also engaged in the development of biological weapons, so if you have nothing to do there together, because, relatively speaking , everything is not the same with covid. security union in this situation yes, against the west, it will be clear and another thing that in fact your biological research

and, well, the development of biological weapons, it could also be part of this allied cooperation well, but so far there are no details, we do not we heard details from the united states state department, and in particular from the undersecretary about exactly what biological weapons are being developed. i think that these details will be after the possible visit of xi jinping to moscow after the dialogue between the chinese leader and president zelensky , which was also announced. accordingly, in the end, what will china's steps be in the future. and it is clear that now those steps from the united states are, on the one hand, a hint that the americans really have this intelligence and are, in principle, ready to use it as say to launch into the public space, on the other hand, this is again a political tool with which the americans make it clear that certain steps should not be taken that

would endanger china's national interests in the region and in principle. including to the west and to washington as well. and when it will be possible to understand whether he made the right conclusions , the right ones for us, for himself, so probably china from all this meeting with putin from the meeting with president zelensky from the statements of the united of the states, when after meeting with everyone and they will declare something there after the politburo, or before you see that everything with china is not as simple as it may seem at first glance , because the chinese strategy, including the political one, consists in the fact that, in general, beijing is oriented towards such the medium and long-term game , therefore, in principle, it is possible to say for sure what is actually the visible reaction that can be read, so we will see it already after

all the meetings have taken place, and well, it will be visible on public statements of the people's republic of china, because it is clear that after such a tight schedule of meetings, especially with the leaders of countries that are currently at war , meaning the russian federation and ukraine, and taking into account the fact that china, before this , presented all its so-called peace plan , which in fact in principle, it is a political declaration, it is clear that everyone will now expect more specifics from beijing regarding this so-called plan, that is , it is clear that china now wants to position itself as such a detached and objective the arbiter in this situation, and well, china has not really voiced this position yet , so in principle, there is a certain logic in the fact that it wants to talk with the russian fuehrer with the leadership of ukraine and, accordingly, contacts with the west are also maintained there, eh, it will be understood more concretely according to the official position of china after these meetings, what exactly will the chinese leadership say

about the war, about their possible further support for the russian federation, or about their more specific peace proposals that they voiced before that regarding this convention on the prohibition of biological weapons, can we reveal any details here, what kind of document it is, who joined it, what conditions it has in principle , well, in general, it is an international legal framework that regulates what is happening in the field of biological agent research in the field of how these biological agents can be used for certain military purposes, yes. well, it is clear that the russian federation, although it is actually a member of this international legal framework, but in principle, we perfectly understand that for the current russian regime, this does not play any role

at all , they can today and tomorrow simply stand up and say that they do not like these international norms and therefore they do not apply to them. at the sites, they said about it that ukraine was developing this biological weapon, and accordingly, if the russians tried to cover themselves with these, but it is obvious that now that the accusations will go in their direction, we we will see a completely different reaction, we will see that in fact the russian regime, well, as if absolutely and er, never believed, so to speak , in the fact that these norms work in this way and accordingly, we will see that in fact the russians will , well, simply refuse them yes so when these accusations it is mr. taras who will fly in their direction. now let's focus on the pragmatic interests of our country, as well as nato and the european union. what we mentioned a few minutes ago was the statement of our minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, why

leave us on the periphery - this is not good on the contrary, russia will constantly be encouraged as a whole to aggress against us. not only against us, but do you see from the statements that have already been made about the potential accession of ukraine to the european union and the alliance that we have moved from the position of standing on the periphery to the position well, slowly but surely are moving in the direction of these associations, well, of course, this trend is true , we must understand here that the west is still in the process of transformation, that is , well, we remember the statements that were made a year ago and we remember the statements that were made back then, well, i i don't know. there at the end of the 21st at the beginning of the 22nd. yes, about ukraine's membership in nato and the eu, and we understand that what we are hearing now from brussels, what we are hearing now from the top officials of the european union and nato is absolutely different nature of the statements. this is a completely different tonality and we must also understand that in fact this is far from the end of the path of the transformation that the west must go through to

the final point to the understanding that in fact ukraine is one of the cornerstones of european security and common european policy and indeed mr. kuleba absolutely is right in that if ukraine continues to remain in this gray zone in which it has remained in fact in recent decades, then in fact it will not only stimulate the russian regime to new aggression, but in the end it will constantly demonstrate to russia that with the help of force traditionally, how do they imagine it , achieved the fact that a specific country was not accepted there into the european union, into nato, that is , using brute force, using armed aggression, the russians achieved a change in the foreign policy course of the sovereign of another state, and the west did not react to it in any way. that is, it is already for the countries of the european union and the member countries of nato - well, if you can say so, it is a question

of prestige and it is a question of their own, well , geopolitical values ​​that they profess to this day, it creates the impression that the question for example, the european union of this track, at least it has already been somehow resolved , since there is international support , including financial support, and there are also certain requirements, a certain plan of action for the implementation of certain things regarding the reforms it seems to me that it is easier here than with the north atlantic alliance. yes, you are absolutely right, because the european union is 90% the economy, and in fact, with the association agreement that was in effect in our country even before the war, in principle, it worked quite well not bad. we actually brought this framework and this cooperation closer at a fairly good pace, that is, with the european union here. in fact, everything is much simpler , but with the north atlantic alliance, there is

one feature that greatly worries the nato member states. so, it is a question of their of our own internal security, we must understand that the priority of the alliance is not that they act as arbitrators and guarantors of security in the region, so they primarily care about the security of their own territory , about the security of the territories of nato member countries, and this is their main priority, and therefore, if they were here certainly disturbing situation can be understood by a certain logic but nevertheless, even before the start of this full-scale russian invasion, but already after russia started its hybrid war against ukraine and was temporarily occupied crimea and part of the ukrainian donbas, in fact, in our dialogue with the alliance, various options were sounded .

everyone in nato was worried that if ukraine were to be accepted as a full -fledged member of the alliance with a conflict situation and a territorial dispute with russia , then sooner or later nato would have to fight , but for the liberation of these territories such a good formula was proposed when we are perceived as part of the alliance, but the issue of the liberation of these territories is not covered by the fifth article of the washington treaty, that is, exclusively bilateral issues , which we and the russian federation will settle either diplomatically or militarily. -firstly, and secondly, we see that nato has now completely rebuilt its relations with ukraine , political support, logistical support, military aid, all of this will essentially become a part of that mechanism in the future which will be applied to the acceptance of ukraine directly as a member of the alliance, that is, it is clear that today there is no single political unity among the 30 nato member countries in this regard

, but all this accumulated baggage of practical cooperation will eventually simply be converted into the fact that this will be a real mechanism for the acceptance of our state into full-fledged nato members, mr. taras. thank you for your time. taras zoftenko, an expert on international security from the ilko kucherev democratic initiative foundation, was in direct contact with us on the topic of international security now let's continue with the russian wagnerites officially recognized as a terrorist organization in lithuania as their country. unanimously approved the relevant resolution . the document states that the private military company wagner is a terrorist organization and its mercenaries pose a threat to the security of the state and society. they kill and torture peaceful residents of ukraine and destroy residential buildings. and ransacking infrastructure facilities was mentioned in the lithuanian sejm and that the wagnerians were noted for their cruelty not only in

they committed a lot of crimes against ukraine in the central african republic , as well as in sudan and mali . it is clear that although there is a lot of work and he is learning ukrainian, there is no time yet , but i understood the essence of what you said. this is how we said today in our parliament that wagner is part of the terrorist the state of russia we have already sent russia as a state that commits terrorist acts, and it is important that it is practically a shadow weapon, a tool of this terrorist state that they use to commit war

crimes, which they use for military aggression, for invasion, for war against innocent civilians of ukraine. things must be called by their names and wagner is a terrorist organization and how did yours decide with me that instead of participating, add your cat to our conversation pressed tell me, will the potential recognition of the wagner pvk chukova wagner terrorist organization extend to the second private military campaign of the russian league, in which the founders are the same and the roots are basically the same, yes, and the fighters are often theirs, and the wagnerites and lygovtsy at the same time, but legally they seem to bypass the restrictions

because the second private military company . russia is participating in the war against ukraine , this means that the situation has been sown. it is the same with wagner. объявлены по регистрация группе вагнера so that this will go

further for sure, that you need to understand that no one will be in the shadows, no one will be able to cover up with any legal details or so on, that is, for their military crime they all answered this only time how it is a matter of time and resources pressed well here you don't need to reinvent the wheel in order to understand that the termination of the activity of such pvcs is possible one of the main factors - this termination of funding how in your opinion can you stop the flow of money that receives prigozhyn and actually spends on the war in ukraine against the ukrainians, of course , that's what lithuania and other allies who understand that the financing of military vehicles is the main thing, that's how it is

expansion of russia's sanctions package so that it would still be all the way yes yes thank you . unfortunately, there is even talk about the fact that it might even ease some sanctions or make an exception for some people . well , let's be honest. these are the few years we have before the next wave of them goes to asia, if

we do not completely stop russia now, it will be so much more expensive for us to build than all possible sanctions now that it is not even what we are talking about. but for example, this is how you know when we are talking about energy when we are talking about banks , this is not 100% sanctions. too slow, and so on, but the country, which was 60% dependent on the energy hell of russia last spring

, an hour ago. yes, and since january 1, 0% of energy is bought from russia . that's what they were able to do, so everyone else can. that's it. well, priorities can be decisions based on priorities. you just said , well, literally a minute ago that we have a few years so that there won't be a next one. what do you mean, a few years? well, you know. so are we russia is restructuring its army and how is it, the western district is probably called the one that will stand within the walls of nato and the number of military that they intend to change the number of their soldiers and restructure their capabilities, their regiments are intended for

long-term, multi-year confrontation with other countries. well, the west and in this sense they at the same time they are fighting with ukraine and at the same time they are preparing to expand this war subjectively, but for a few years, europe will fight the russian federation in a few months, in a few years, if we do not stop russia in ukraine , in a few years, russia will be ready for the next stage of its expansion .

here when we analyze what is happening further as you know in lithuania every hour an assessment of threats to national security is carried out so it seems translated and of course the biggest and closest threat is russia and in the same at the same time, although it is bleeding in ukraine very much, because as we know, the peculiarity of the management of the army is that they have terribly bad ones , they still did not rise to the good ones.

as much meat and scrap metal as possible to the front, that is, so that the quantity will simply drown as many ukrainians as possible but still, this is a large enough country , there are enough people, and as shown by the logical polls, there are enough people who are still supporting this war and their military industry is still working because it would be a pity that many schemes were invented to help, for example , dual-use goods reached russia, they also work with china not only did he not stop doing it, as you know , the unprecedented purchase of energy from russia , but also produced some discussions

about supplying weapons to russia in general, but so far this decision has not been adopted, but such conversations are going so in this sense, let's not be naive and admit that it will take time, this is not a sprint, this is a marathon that we all run, and in this sense, sanctions - it's not only about you, it's also about us. thank you , ms. davila. thank you for that who joined the broadcast watched kalyny, a member of the national security and defense committee of the lithuanian parliament, she was on a live video link , the only news marathon continues, and in a moment all the details of the events that took place during tonight and during the previous day

olga hrytsyk will tell, if it's not us, our children will fight, defend our own, now we know better how to stop and drive out, hate and revenge, drown and undermine, shoot down, and save, attack and liberate, and the main thing is now we know exactly what we are worth, and what we are capable of, the defense forces of ukraine and we can't be stopped together to victory smile look acquaintance the first flowers and silly jokes in my head i scroll again these minutes hours and days we haven't met you for a long time we learned to read minds how i want to just

hug these minutes hours and days how i just want to say i love the whole universe, it's you, my son, my daughter, my mother, hug me i love and that's why i'm at war i understand that it's a war the boat overturned three men floated out and two swam further downstream, well, i watched a lot , there was a wife in tears, we need to look for them, they said that if she lied then they will return here with tanks, the occupiers began to look for wounded servicemen, the doctors simply took these wounded to their homes and

hid the families to whom they appealed, they did not refuse, i understood that the city would not surrender