[000:00:00;00] does russian military equipment and belarusian propagandists talk a lot about the fact that these planes serve , including, the military interests of belarusians and work to support the country's defense, including monitoring the international visits of alexander lukashenko so that nothing happens during his flight in the territory where aviation intelligence is available, but putin will make a decision solely based on his own interests if they have the opportunity to relocate this small aviation fleet and replace it продаженные работы то они ето сделают and in general, what do you think? how did this story with the damage to the derlo plane, as it is called by the abbreviation a50, of long-range intelligence, affect

the position of lu kashenko and, in principle , the military cooperation of russia and belarus , taking into account that such a humiliation of the military capabilities of any country in principle it is not often seen that an ultra-expensive, rare aircraft could just fly in from the field, a drone , sit down, turn around and fly back in an unknown direction, well, it is difficult to imagine that even in such a developed country such a thing could happen in principle, be possible. what do you think, does this have consequences? yes, i think that alexander lukashenko looks unsightly in the eyes of his russian partners, and of course certain conclusions will be drawn here, since on his part the provision of military airfields as bases for the training of russian troops is not entirely free of charge. even if it is officially declared that belarus does not take any fees, alexander lukashenko is definitely counting on the economic

assistance he regularly receives from the kremlin , but again, russia is not going anywhere. they can help the fingers to draw conclusions, strengthen the security, force lukashenko to conduct roundups, which, by the way, continue to this day and there is simply a total sweep of all suspects, then perhaps he had something to do with the fact that these events took place with the russian plane, mr. yuriy. why do you think lukashenko signed the decree about the awarding of reserve officers for military service, this is not part of any series . it is an emerging event, since a similar decree was signed in the 22nd year, possibly even earlier, that

is, it is part of planned events of the belarusian military, therefore, it is hardly worth looking for any signs of preparation for more active actions on the part of belarus, and why do you think the topic of a possible attack from the territory of belarus on chernihiv , sumy or kyiv, disappeared from the information agenda, and why did lukashenko himself start in a different tone i will say this to talk about the threat he allegedly sees from ukraine , in particular, there was a statement he made there a few weeks ago, it seems that at the moment he does not see any risk that ukraine has any aggressive intentions towards belarus. although before that he repeated a lot that we allegedly have such intentions. and he even showed a map and four positions. yes, the cartoon promised to show and tell literally the first days of the war. but until that day, he did not keep his promises. it is possible to try to see some positive, possibly negative

trend, but i would not weaken attention to the topic of a possible invasion from the territory of belarus, since if such a solution is being prepared, they will be prepared just in informational silence and it does not rule out that at some point the situation will simply begin to develop violently and the propagandists and state leaders will find a reason to justify a possible invasion. at the same time, ukrainian intelligence reported that large-scale provocations may be prepared on the border of belarus and ukraine, in your opinion, which of the following they can potentially happen there, everything here depends on the imagination of the immediate executors of the organizers of these provocations, but

at least the fears that she voiced earlier, lukashenko is an invasion directly into the territory of belarus, by the way. this is one of his last reasons for justifying belarus' entry into the war. this is the fact that if a ukrainian soldier steps 115 into the territory of belarus, then lukashenko will be ready to show himself in all his glory. it is possible that this is a provocation. to be shelled by populated points or infrastructure objects, that is, that is also well past the forces of russian military or sabotage groups, but it will be attributed to aggression from ukraine. and in your opinion, why on the border at the checkpoints of belarus and ukraine, posters appeared on the side of belarus that complement the phrases we will help ukraine to find the real occupiers, or belarus remembers, alluding to the united states of america , while judging by the content of the billboard, it is

the result of the great sensitivity of the belarusian border state border committee, which has repeatedly stated that he is experiencing moral and psychological pressure from the citizens of ukraine, who, according to the belarusian border guards, are behaving aggressively or in some way negatively disposed towards them well, this is such an answer , that is, they did not come up with anything better . across their border, the army of another state went to attack another sovereign state , how morally comfortable were they at that time, but this is not a question for you, this question is essentially

rhetorical thank you for what about us joined yuriy gubarevich, a member of the coordination council of belarus, was with us on a direct video link and big sensations from lukashenka's trips to iran and china, he advises not to do it and says that in principle, when you have such geopolitical realities as lukashenka, he especially did not go anywhere. however, the potential consequences of these visits should not be underestimated, considering that iran, for example, can place the production of some of its weapons on the territory of belarus, and these weapons can then be used by russia to prevent sanctions against ukraine and the ussr. the union about which the successor of the russian federation

was supposed to be was functioning at the time , a whole coordinating committee for expert control, it was he who helped to destroy the rather isolated economy of the ussr, so what is common and different in the sanctions policy towards the ussr and russia? world players after the second world war in relation to the soviet union, which did not hide its desire to increase its influence, then the world was clearly divided into soviet union countries satellites of the soviet union of the socialist camp and the capitalist camp, the goal was for the socialist camp to be one step behind new technologies, this ensured the security of the west, because there was something to be afraid of, to some extent those events that were connected with the soviet union gaining access , including to nuclear technologies in the soviet special services at that time received a significant part of this information precisely from western scientists , fears grew that the ussr would continue

to buy technologies from you to use in the race arms already in 1949, the coordinating committee for export control was created, it included 17 countries , including the usa, canada, australia, japan, great britain , turkey and most of the countries of the current european union, in fact, a total of 15 current members of nato, the agreement was a gentlemanly informal one , but its violations were punished quite seriously in fact, its creation of this organization coincided with the beginning of the cold war, and this committee, that is, abbreviated as it was, compiled lists of strategic goods and technologies that were not subject to export by ukraine this of the eastern bloc and also set restrictions on their use of all kinds of technology goods allowed for supply in the event of an exception, and the most important means of pressure was the threat of sanctions not only against these countries, but also against american companies and other international companies, mostly this concerns

high-tech weapons goods and military equipment, equipment for nuclear of energy and dual-purpose goods , a kind of strategy of technological containment or controlled backwardness of the ussr and, of course, such a sanctioning mechanism the ussr tried somehow to get around, sometimes even successfully, the toshchiba scandal with the japanese corporation and also with the kongsberg corporation from norway, which supplied the soviet union with eight computer-controlled propeller milling machines between 1982 and 1984 , which violated the kokoma rules, and the position of the united states was because it could improve the ability of soviet submarines to evade their detection and then i lost the contract with the us army and its products were for a time prohibited

except for theft or purchase technologies of the ussr created a whole network of front companies and history repeats itself, experts say, instead of the activities of the sanctions and already against the russian federation, which definitely inherited the ambitions of its predecessor. even if it loses, so that it cannot then repeat its aggression there, undermining the system , the international security system, the actions have another flaw, they are not as comprehensive as the approach the committee, for example, kok opposed the transfer of any developments to the ussr in the field of atomic energy, and the sanctions against russia do not affect this sphere in any way, at least so far. and with each new package of sanctions , it is necessary to work out the holes in the previous ones. to date, the russians are simply copying the experience of the soviet union, well, they are doing it the only thing is that, taking into account the current conditions there, more enterprises are being created in countries that, for example, do not

openly support the russian federation , but also do not openly support it for example, ukraine in this war in the context of sanctions. well, they are accepted consolidated if we are talking about european ones, for example, all countries must follow them against the weight of the horse. each member could leave at any time, although he worked consistently for decades and played his role in the collapse of the soviet empire, it is quite likely that sanctions will play a similar role for the russian federation, because the reason is the same aggression and history has a habit of repeating itself anna brikova we ukraine marathon single news but still, the main enemy of the autocracy of dictatorships is now the skill and in some places the stupidity and cruelty of its leadership, which sooner or later leads these dictatorships to decline, and modern russian, not excluding information from the washington post, meanwhile, which confused many ukrainians about the alleged

pessimism and a number of problems in the ukrainian of the army is not true , the secretary of the national security and defense council, oleksiy danilov, said on our broadcast that they listened carefully to these newspapers and read them before february 24, when they all unanimously told us here what would happen nonsense that we will not have the ability to hold on, but they have already written us into the situation of a country that will lose in advance. yes, it is a difficult situation . we have been waging war against a large country for more than a year. but not with reason, but we understand that it will be difficult for us. from the very beginning, we thank our partners for their support, but now the situation on the territory of our country is being shaken up thanks to the provision of such information that does not correspond to reality, well, you know, it is not quite such a pleasant

pleasant thing, and putin is nostalgic again and he sees the roots of all problems, including the war in ukraine, in the collapse of the soviet union. when that collapsed, the west , according to putin, sent terrorists to russia and tried to destabilize the situation in ukraine. russia, in its fight against the west, relied on ukraine, and putin is sincerely sure that until 2014, ukrainians believed itself a part of the russian world, but in 2014 the situation changed dramatically , and more than the last eight years, even before the start of the full-scale invasion of ukraine, putin allegedly tried to persuade western partners to solve the problems of donbas peacefully, but they didn't decide. that's why putin had to start the war with his thoughts. the head of the kremlin shared with the employees of the udan aircraft factory because he went to buryatia on a working trip to contact us . ihor reiterovich political scientist political consultant mr. reiterovich

i wanted to say good morning but 15 minutes we have for the night good night good night good night let 's start with an article in the washington post, which was about what, according to anonymous sources, the washington post publishing house in kyiv the ukrainian army allegedly has such a sentiment in the ukrainian army that we will not have enough forces for the spring offensive. well, in general, everything is bad. i can draw this conclusion from what the washington post wrote in this article, and it is far from a fact that we will be able to conduct any offensive operations in the foreseeable future accordingly, count on the deoccupation of some territories, mr. danilov said that this is not true. what do you think, with what do you connect the publication of such material, considering that we have seen a lot in the western press, in particular, and that which was not confirmed by reality before

for example, it seems that in the 21st year, an article appeared in the politika edition about the fact that kyiv is pressuring washington is pressuring kyiv due to the blasts of the northern streams. as a result , the us state department officially said that this is not happening, but the publication did not delete this article, well, we must understand that in the west, on the one hand, there is a desire to talk about some very loud topics that attract attention, and that is why we have such articles about, for example, the undermining of the northern streams there or about the ability of ukraine to resist aggression from the russian federation on the other hand, there is another moment in western countries and the united states is not an exception, the positions of the expert community are strong enough, the expert community is very fond of developing, working out and discussing various scenarios, they can be optimistic, they can be pessimistic, and these scenarios, including, get into the columns of the leading mass media information , and therefore

there is absolutely no need to be surprised that such articles appear, because for every such pessimistic article there will be several optimistic articles or articles that will be called realistic, it is normal, the absolute practice of democratic such a discussion, orientation to the various political forces that are there, because we know that among the same republicans there is a small enough wing that believes that aid to ukraine should be limited, and this wing also works with certain experts and materials can get into snakes. therefore, this is a normal, usual story for many western countries, when different topics and different approaches are discussed publicly and we do not need to make any kind of you know about it far-reaching conclusions and it is necessary to do what we have done in principle until today, but at the same time, of course, understand that the situation can change dynamically regarding the attitude of certain groups of elite groups, including groups of citizens in the partner countries of ukraine , to what is happening in our country well, let's not forget that here the main negotiator in

these processes is primarily our armed forces, which have repeatedly raised , but laughably, if you can say so, some of the most pessimistic forecasts and showed that in reality the situation will be completely different, mr. igor. and if we assume that there will be more of such articles for example, will they somehow be able to influence the expert environment and the decisions of our western partners, well , they definitely have a certain influence because, well, all western countries are democracies. of course, they look at public opinion , they look at expert opinion, but quantity does not always turn into quality. if we now analyze the articles that are published, we will see that the percentage is very pessimistic it is not big and it cannot fundamentally change the attitude of the citizens of those countries that supported ukraine to ukraine before this war. if we take the same united states of america, according to the latest polls, 2 thirds of americans say that the states should support ukraine as much as it is necessary

for us defeated russia i think this is a very eloquent answer and no washington post or new york times they will not change this situation yet, although definitely well , we must not forget that water can also stone yes yes so to speak sharpen yes and we should have a certain reaction in the form of well official statements , one of which we just heard today yes, when mr. danilov basically characterized everything, well, he did it with sufficient arguments on the other hand and our expert community through various the mechanisms of public diplomacy there, or the possibility to also appear in the columns of certain newspapers in the west, should prove a slightly different position and say that there is a very pessimistic view of the development of events in ukraine, it is not really has a mission, and by the way, it can be changed precisely at the expense of increasing aid to ukraine, because we have already proven that we can use this aid very correctly, and use

it to the benefit of the country, too, as the washington post reported in a large article devoted to the events that were attributed to a full-scale russian invasion that jack sullivan , joseph biden's national security adviser, could still be wrong, in october or november of the 22nd year, he assembled a special group of e-e and it was decided that this group would process information from the american intelligence to agree data that can be published in order to play in anticipation of the russian invasion, that is, the united states began to use the mass media precisely in order to outplay russia in the information space, and in this connection i want to ask you about your observations after a full-scale invasion, that is how the mass media is used in particular , the western ones in the information war through these anonymous sources or some articles like that, what is the purpose of such things, well, look here

, such a situation is ambiguous, ambiguous, so speaking, on the one hand, we really see some coordination of information policy and communication with the authorities of those countries that are currently allies of ukraine in order for the information they publish to be verified and official, that is , it was checked in some official sources there and was sent including the refutation of the most common fakes spread by the russian federation on the other hand, since again we are dealing with democracies and ukraine is a democracy it is clear that a certain polyphony is present in these mass media, but since well, as we can see even from the publication of these articles, they often refer to some anonymous sources, it turns out that they did not receive confirmation of their theories from the official representatives of the authorities and therefore are forced to

sometimes cover themselves with formulations that contribute to a certain extent thus, the information war waged by the russian federation, because we must understand that, unfortunately, russia is still using it quite actively this freedom of speech and democracy that exists in many countries that stand on the side of ukraine, and this is a problem to some extent , but this problem is objective because it is connected with the very essence of democracy . how does russia use it? even sentences and on their basis tries to disperse somehow its information policy to show that support for ukraine is falling there and there is no chance of victory and so on, but in general, if we sum up, we see that the information policy of the west countries has changed, changed quite seriously and changed precisely in the direction of countering the fakes and disinformation that russia has been spreading for many, many years, and on the example of europe, it is very noticeable that this policy is successful because many of the lies that were spread by the russian

federation, they no longer use such popularity, which is again evidenced by the results of public opinion, which in its majority supports ukraine and absolutely does not support the narratives that the russians are trying to throw into the information space, mr. igor, if you still look at it from that side. for example, it is not the russians who throw this information into the information space. today i spoke with an expert and a russian. by the way, he says that you should look at any situation like a half-empty glass it is still half full. and how can this very article be used in the context of the war with the russian federation, because russia, seeing that such information is getting out , on the contrary, thinks that the world does not consider us to be as strong as a rival, so they are. and it is possible

she herself will dull her attention and make some mistakes. it is possible that the advantages are worth seeing for ukraine. no, there are definitely advantages. because it really often causes euphoria in russia , they think that they have already won. although they do not have any victories on the front, this affects some euphoria that arises in putin's environment, well, in putin's immediate environment, in the sense that we are otherwise doing everything right and we just need to push ukraine by implementing the scenario that we are implementing, we are implementing it at the beginning of 22nd. although it is a failure, but we we see that the russians still do not retreat from it and are trying to somehow pressure ukraine in this context, so it is necessary to pay attention to this, that this is only one of the versions, this version well, it looks very positive for the russians, but it must be supported by something because pay attention, this article is only about ukraine. it does not analyze the situation that is developing in russia, it does not analyze the problems that the russian federation is facing, but the attention should be paid exclusively to

our country, and this is, to some extent, possible use in order to, on the one hand, not relax and understand that there are still different views even in the countries of our partners on how the war will develop and how it can end, and we must take this into account and work, including with these few interest groups who take a rather pessimistic position and, on the other hand , use it as much as possible from the point of view of spreading just such narratives is possible among the russian leadership, since it will lead to a certain dizziness from successes and as for ill-considered steps, you know how it reminds the story of some soviet leaders, well, stalin, first of all, during the second world war, when, against the background of one victory at the front, they fell into euphoria and began an offensive on all other fronts , although they were completely unprepared for this and then, unfortunately, they suffered huge defeats, the consequences of which were huge losses of the military, and sometimes this also happens to the russians of the russian leadership, they

simply have no success at all at the front, but believe that they have certain successes in some kind of information struggle, because such an article appeared, and maybe not even one , but maybe even two, three, five articles , and accordingly they believe that the attitude of europe and the united states towards ukraine is beginning to change, which means that they are almost starting to win, they are starting to do some stupid things there, er, at the front, in the first place, which ends very badly for them , that's why you have to work very subtly with such things. well, and don't forget, as you rightly pointed out, that you have to look at each problem from different angles and react she is very calm, very professional. well, to have a set of arguments that will debunk all those myths and narratives that , unfortunately, appear from time to time in the western media about ukraine and our ability to resist and ultimately defeat the russian federation, mr. viktorovych, i want turn to your personal experience and ask you how do you generally feel about so-called anonymous journalism, i.e. articles and materials that

journalists publish based on anonymous sources how do you read them and how do you perceive them well, i read them like anonymous telegram channels, but i don’t divide what is there into two by four or, well , divide by 10, because you need to understand what is here. well , first of all, certain beneficiaries who are interested in spreading such information should immediately look at the authors of similar articles, if they exist. because sometimes they are even anonymous . in this regard, the publication is not what belongs to whom. and what are the political forces focused on, and of course you can look directly in the article itself. why it appeared is beneficial to whom and the information published there i.e. it is necessary to take a very critical attitude to all this, it is necessary. i am not saying that it should not be read, well, for the people who work in this field , you and i are there. we are even forced to do this because, well, we need to understand that there are other views , but, well, this information is taken to be analyzed and what it can lead to, accordingly, is this, well, this will be, well, it will appear in the information space. there will be such

links, but they should be treated to a certain extent like many conspiracy theories that you know today exist in the world. that is, we we cannot get rid of this, but calmly critically analyze and draw certain conclusions, this is not a big problem and, by the way , it is gratifying that many citizens have learned to do this, and this is especially so when faced with such a phrase that, according to the information of one anonymous source, well, here you can go further in principles and draw the appropriate conclusions because it will be clear what will be written there, i also want to ask you your opinion on the topic of explosions on the northern stream because putin again commented on this topic in an interview with the russia-1 tv channel and he he said that i am quoting an explosion of such a nature of such power at such a depth can only be carried out by specialists, and supported by the entire mission of the state that has certain technologies , alluding of course to this three damned nato, which

he huddles everywhere with a pretext and without, in your opinion, in general, this is the story of undermining the northern streams and in particular, reports in some american media and german media that, according to the intelligence of these countries , some groups somehow connected with ukraine may be involved in them, although ukraine officially denies any involvement to these incidents of these explosions, in your opinion. what consequences can this story have when it is true? still, it will become clear what is the importance of this whole story, because we see that basically all interested parties or parties affected by this case in one way or another are commenting. well because it diverts attention from some more urgent issues and possibly diverts attention from those who actually carried out this sabotage, russia's reaction here is clear, they will look for an american trace in everything, there a british trace, they actually reduce all this not even to nato, but

to the two countries to the damned anglo-saxons who constantly prevent them from doing something there, but by the way the russian mass media actively latched onto this topic and began to say no, no, no, this is not ukraine , this event leads to other thoughts that the question is specifically about russia and of her direct interest in the sabotage that took place. the consequence of this, on the one hand, will be , let's say, a drop in trust even in some publications or in some journalists who began to multiply these versions by referring to some anonymous sources not named there, and in principle, there is a certain positive, because they will trust those sources of information that are checked, which are verified, and where the specific names of whom they referred to on the other hand will be mentioned. in any case, this story will not end positively for russia. in what sense will it still not be able to do some other countries are guilty, well, in this story, there is to divert attention. well, try to present it as a certain conspiracy against russia, which did not affect anyone, but it was almost forced there to start this war