[000:00:00;00] 1 million dollars and one missile destroys everything, and who will then pay for these losses, so for us the first priority is victory, and then we will definitely cooperate in order to conquer new markets and promote ukrainian products on international shelves . thank you, mr. denis denis marchuk, deputy chairman of the all-ukrainian agrarian council was working now live on the espresso tv channel . now we will pass the baton to our colleagues in the studio. ulyana panasyuk was working today. serhiy rudenko will be working in his program verdict yes and we now solemnly pass the word to him yes see further the verdict on the espresso tv channel don't switch and stay with us glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my

name is serhiy rudenko good day to everyone and good health today march 15 385 the day of the ukrainian people's heroic resistance to the russian occupiers, fighters of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of kholodny yar shot down a russian su-24 bomber in the black sea, there are still four enemy ships with salvos of 28 missiles a russian su-27 fighter jet shot down a united states drone in the international airspace of the black sea & q9 washington protested against the actions of the russians, meanwhile, the russians continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of march 15, russia has already lost 161,520 in ukraine people in the last day only , the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 980 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in

ukraine 1,492 tanks, 6,799 armored fighting vehicles, 2,528 artillery systems, 500-2 rocket salvo systems, 262 means of air defense 304 planes 289 helicopters 5377 units of automotive equipment from 18 ships boats 907 cruise missiles-232 drones 257 units of special equipment the armed forces of ukraine hold the bakhmut russian fighter jets shot down the uav of the united states of america and under the bakhmut the holodoyarivites shot down the su-24 we will talk about all this later in the next hour i want to introduce today's guest - this is viktor yagun, major general of the security service of ukraine in reserve, former head of

the security service of ukraine, mr. generals good day good health and thank you for joining our broadcast, let's start our conversation with bakhmut, this is the hottest point on the russian-ukrainian front. yesterday, the president of ukraine told about the supreme commander-in-chief's bid, the main focus of the joint strategic grouping of khortytsia and bakhmut forces, the head of state added more there is a clear position to strengthen the bakhmut direction , we will hear and see volodymyr zelenskyi held a meeting of the stake today with the reports of the central intelligence committee of the commanders of the directions , the main focus on asuf khortytsia and bakhmut is clear the position of the entire stake to strengthen this direction to destroy the occupier as much as possible, then general tarnavskyi reported on tavria, this is part of the donetsk directions, part of the southern

directions, general moskalyov reported on the situation, condemnation of odessa, general naev in the north , of course, we are always working on the supply of weapons ammunition, mr. generals, so let's try to characterize that stage or the situation that is developing for me in the direction of bakhmut, what is happening around the city and what is happening with the offensive the russians with constant attacks that they organize on bakhmut well, if you are tied to the area, you need to understand that the final decision has been made to stay in bakhmut until the final, so to speak, completion of preparations for the counterattack, that is, no one will retreat, this is a critical point for our

defense, the enemy has concentrated a significant number of personnel and combat equipment around bakhmut, and it would be logical to understand that if we leave bakhmut, we need to determine the locations of the next point of defense, i.e. in fact, we will identify another city that the enemy can simply destroy . therefore, as long as there is an opportunity, there is no final threat to our decision to hold on to this fortress . it is clear that the situation is quite difficult throughout the eastern front, including around bakhmut, and the enemy is trying to organize an attack on our position, why according to you, the russians simply focused on this city of bakhmut and, well, in this situation, they see no other options than to

surround or capture this city. well, in fact, there have always been some symbolism for them we will take some city, we will hang a flag there, we will announce our victory, it is clear that for the convenience of his wagnerites, for example, this is a fixed idea, because they promised everyone and already announced to everyone that it was actually under their control, and when for several months they have not been able to advance 1 km ahead this means that they are either liars or simply cannot ensure the fulfillment of the tasks that are set before them, that is , it is not worth having a conversation with them at all. that is, it is already about geopolitics in to their understanding at the level of the russian state, therefore, it is clear that if someone was promised something, then this city should be taken under

control and they should really report to their tsars and society that we have closed this topic and are moving forward and that in reality there are no victories. no such excuses there about an advance of 100 m in one direction and 100 m in the other are not accepted and until they are able to inform their society about a significant victory it is actually an operation their so-called vyacheslav the impasse is great. the victory that russia is counting on is a huge loss, of course. during the last two months and the first two months of 2023, russia has already lost more than 50,000 soldiers. not taking into account the sanitary losses, these are colossal numbers, and if you actually look at the ip or compare these losses with any losses of russia over the last 80 years

, these are the biggest losses since the beginning or end of the second world war, or rather, do you think that the russians still have a limit of losses for russia when these losses will be painful for them unfortunately, there was already an expert assessment when they compared it with the losses of the war in afghanistan, and it was clear that those losses that were announced by the soviet union as 15,000 , about 15,000 people, they were not so much a burden for central russia so much for those republics that represented the soviet union at that time, well, in particular, ukraine then lost three or so thousand, a very critical number for itself, and imagine some small moldova or the baltic countries there, where the installation is much less than in ukraine, and

there was the same there were such numbers significant, and it was from there that uh-uh, well, such a popular rumble went, which did not perceive this war, not these incomprehensible losses uh-uh, which the soviet army uh-uh suffered in an unknown country for unknown reasons uh-uh, on the other hand, in the russian federation at that time in general, the topic was completely ignored and no one raised such critical issues . by the way, i am talking about the european republics of the soviet union, and a significant number of the dead were from central asia, because there they tried to use muslim soldiers in this war and what does this say about the fact that there is simply

no field shock in the russian federation? unfortunately, we may face a situation when even 500,000 will not be a shock for them and the situation is still a worsening of the economic situation against the background of these losses then yes, then maybe the refrigerator and some moments are connected with the loss of the one who feeds them, the lack of those payments that they count on, the absence of any understandable explanations. and where is my husband and why is he considered missing and missing ? will affect this situation differently no russia is already planning to raise the minimum conscription age to 21 and the upper to 30. currently conscription in the russian federation is from 18 to 27 years, can this

initiative be perceived as an attempt to attract more people to the army to compensate for losses during the war in ukraine? i was not not so, but we still need to take into account such a physiological moment, in fact, in russia there is a significant problem with those young people who are 18 years old, they are simply not physically ready to perform certain tasks and russia is forced to raise the bar until the age of 21, they do not know it is related to with the climate there or with the way of life there well, but we have seen those uh-uh sects , so-called why in jacob, how they look and imagine with themselves today, so it is clear that they definitely do not benefit them well, but this is such

a separate opinion regarding the possibility of raising of this age and the fact that they attract older men. this is clearly an attempt to bring in more people and an attempt to cover the shortage of contract workers that they currently have. it is very urgent. we must close, in fact, such a black hole in the window of the upper army is a number in the 400,000 contract workers they hope to recruit in the near future, it is so incredibly fantastic and i don't think they will succeed because they could not even simply mobilize 300,000 in time and collect 400 contract workers who are able to perform some tasks for a few years in the army, well, this is a very difficult task, mr. general , there was another event yesterday that basically shows that the clash between russia and

the united states of america, which is constantly repeated on propaganda tv channels russian propagandists, it is very close because the american tv channel cbs yesterday showed how a russian su-27 shot down an air force drone in the united states of america. the mq9s drone has been in service in the united states of america since 2001. al qaeda leaders were killed by these drones in yemen and in in afghanistan, this drone, which is actually such a powerful aircraft, because it may not fly for a distance of up to 10,000 km at a speed of 4 kilometers per hour after flying over the black sea in the international

in the air space, the russians actually shot down this drone, the ministers to the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd austin, appealed to eight senators from both parties to send f16 fighter jets to ukraine, and the americans summoned the russian ambassador to the united states of america to the state department and expressed their protest against actions against their the flight of the drone, politiko reports that after a conversation with american ukrainian and foreign leaders who work to support ukraine at the munich security conference last month, these senators appeal to the secretary of defense of the united states of america, we believe that the united states of america needs to carefully consider the ff16 aircraft in ukraine - this will be a significant opportunity that can change the rules of the game on the battlefield, but taking into account this the story with the downed drone and how russia tried

to get out of this situation, does this mean that in the current situation of a collision between russia and the united states of america, it is more likely than ever that this is such a close prospect taking into account the behavior of the russians in the international airspace over the black sea, you must understand that beginning in the 1980s in the soviet army , the border troops adopted the concept of pushing out the enemy from the state border with a group of poland. at sea and at sea as well as at sea and in the air we have repeatedly observed er actions. well, i do n't know professional and unprofessional, some are a little wild when soviet ships went to

er a flock of american warships which were approaching the state border in the soviet union, then in russia, the most interesting case was in 1988 in the black sea , when the ship e-e of the border e-e service of the e-e border guard actually attacked with its side e-e and damaged the american ship e- they actively used this air tactic, especially on the border with the soviet union and the united states in the far east, we took tracks when uh in the strait when uh raised their planes and uh tried to prevent uh patrolling this

zone by planes uh they are of the united states it was actively used in the baltic states. and this is one of the peaks of such a tactic of using the enemy's enemy in their zone. how do they consider responsibility? in fact, it's a huge mistake of theirs that it's one thing if this plane was in their space, but it's quite another. to demonstrate maneuvers in the international space. i think that this will not remain without a response from the united states. our response will not be direct, but rather paradoxical. arms to ukraine and the one who gave the command to actually shoot down this drone will still regret it, i emphasize this again, the maneuvers should have ended with such

a fact, because what was produced by the planes of russia and the black sea, he is over the baltic in the mediterranean sea in close proximity to the ships of our partners. it was once supposed to end in such a cover-up case . well, it must be said that this reconnaissance drone costs 65 million dollars. that is, it is quite expensive. armament of the air forces of the united states of america well, when at the time when the russians shot down this drone, putin went to lana de and flew on the mi 171a2 helicopter simulator, and now we will see how it all happened, because yesterday putin

talked a lot about the fact that the war in in ukraine, i am the war for the russian peace. and actually there are a lot of different statements. well, you see, there is a new pilot , vladimir putin, but this is a mi 171a2 helicopter simulator. of course, it is not an f16, and it is clear that the owner of the kremlin needs to demonstrate at least some achievements and successes. well, he sat down for simulator of this helicopter, over the last year we have heard many different versions of why putin started a war against ukraine , denizification, demilitarization, support for russian -speakers, a war for who is the boss in the world. well , this was roughly the rhetoric, and yesterday he said that the war for russian peace is precisely a war in

ukraine according to you, does this russian world remain in ukraine since february 24, 2022, when actually these representatives of this russian world also began to drop russian missiles on their heads and hit residential areas of people who were supporters of this russian world. unfortunately, it must be stated that the representatives of the russian world or their and its bearers still remain in ukraine. mir and other carriers who are exposed in state bodies and in the army and, unfortunately, in the security service, that's why i

hope that there have been fewer of them , because i have seen some people who seem to be sympathetic to this idea, who are actively took up arms and are really fighting for ukraine. well, there it is, either with arms in hand or by some other method, they show that they are, well, definitely not apologists for this world. our society has some of the versions and the treatment of this disease has been very long. unfortunately, but i hope that we are on the right path and it will be exactly that concept and patriotic education and improvement of our society and the development of the arts that

will allow us to break away from this -is diseases and to close it once and not always quite a powerful center of this russian world until now was and remains the church of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate . of the kyiv-pechers lavra and we know that the state audit service concluded that 36 buildings were illegally built on the territory of the kyiv-pechers lavra by the abbot of the kyiv-pechers lavra pavlo m lebidem himself the abbot, whose name is pasha mercedes, says that he will not leave and the monks will not leave the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, do you not see the danger now in the fact that what we talked about quite a long time ago in our broadcasts, that

the russian orthodox church in ukraine and its branch can be used for internal destabilization during a possible offensive , for example, the expected russian offensive or to create certain prerequisites for the creation of an internal front in ukraine. moments that need to be looked at very seriously but i think that uh, we need to follow a very simple path, the whole history of this church in the territory of ukraine is closed on one word, on the word economy, there will be no economic base , there will be uh, money that pours like a river into their pockets there will be no mercedes conditionals. i think that they will very quickly understand that their policy is wrong, then cut off those sources

of funding that they have and put them on equal terms with some, i don't know , cooperatives let them figure out where to them funds and on such uh masterpieces like us mercedes villas and yachts there roughly speaking uh and we don't need to make martyrs out of them everything should be criminal proceedings including economic criminal proceedings because we know uh about uh the facts of the use of uh church buildings in remote areas of ukraine for the use of them as forwarding bases for the creation of counterfeit products

. i think that such facts must be disclosed and demonstrated to people. we will heal sooner and it is clear that they need to make a demonstrative picture there, you know, make the forced people there, drive them out somewhere with sticks, there is something else , there is no need to do anything, they will go by themselves, they are smart enough not to push the situation to the edge, but if they try to fight listen, well, let's see, let's see who will stand for them, you understand. i said for a long time that there is no need for any regressive bodies , just appoint a representative of the military commissariat and let him take stock of what kind of people there are , young, beautiful and healthy, not at the front, not at accounting in slovakia and they go and try to obstruct something there or something about our security agencies, one more question , mr. general, is the future of the international tribunal in the hague, because the new york times writes about the fact

that the international tribunal opens two cases against russia about war crimes , so far we are talking about two cases related to the abduction of children and attacks on peaceful infrastructure, at the same time, dmitry peskov, who is putin's press secretary, says that russia does not recognize international tribunals. at the same time ukraine has reported that a dossier has been collected on 600 russian military commanders who are suspected of war crimes on the territory of ukraine. prosecutors have already drawn up a table with a diagram showing the names and photos of those suspected of committing war crimes. i ask you how a person who has served for more than 20 years in the security service of ukraine, how realistic is it to identify the main thing is to prove the guilt of those who are in these tables and diagrams and to prove that it is vasya ivanov there, the captain of the armed forces

of russia, it was he who participated in war crimes and committed these war crimes on the territory of ukraine well, in fact, those men who are shown are those people who are really documented already, that is, there are indisputable facts with links to documents, uh, all the people who are shown on that diagram either gave orders or signed some documents, therefore, it makes it much easier to perform certain tasks of documenting their criminal activities. another question is about the direct executors of the rank-and-file sergeants who did not sign anything but received these orders, this will be the problem is with regard to the court, we need to transfer the materials to this international court as soon as possible because, god forbid, we will reach a situation when some hypothetical

negotiations will begin, i can guarantee you that first of all, the issue of the issue, the victory will be based on the refusal of the criminal the prosecution of war criminals. this has already been repeatedly confirmed, so when the process will proceed, when the materials will be handed over, when this will be done by the international side, not by the ukrainian side , but at least there is some kind of guarantee that it will be brought to the end, and then they won't admit something to someone there and somewhere they have closed their uh, such shells. i think that this will end up being closed from society and the world for a long time. the person who was hiding changes, the circumstances change

, the world changes, governments change, and the responsibility will still come to everyone , someone from someone, a crime . this immunity does not apply in cases related to war crimes and crimes against humanity. do you believe that putin and his current czars of his clique will be brought to an international tribunal ? that he will not live to see you, because you know, i would like to see him on the dock, but he has the impression that by his actions he is simply the president of the fact that they themselves will take him away. because they do not need such a witness , they definitely do not need such a responsibility i think that some of them should sit

and they will sit, but will putin live? well, i don’t know, i would like to believe it, but i don’t believe it. thank you, mr. generals, it was a major general of the security service of ukraine in reserve, the former deputy head of the sbu, viktor is a hun, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, now you can watch it live our broadcast on youtube and facebook for those who are currently watching us on these networks and on these platforms, you can like this video so that it goes up in the recommended ones. well, subscribe to our e-pages on youtube and facebook, in addition, you can become a sponsor of the youtube channel espresso, you can now see the qr-codes on the screen, by clicking on which you will get to the detailed instructions on how to become a sponsor of the youtube channel espresso, we will be grateful for any help, because remember , we work for you and we work on various platforms, including