[000:00:00;00] allow it to be done over the black sea, so that the russians will have much less of them for such provocations, well, at least in the black sea region, such incidents or such cases are directly related to the fact that the usa or other western countries will provide ukraine with aviation and means of defense there is no direction of this connection, but this incident is one of those very vivid and very clear and unambiguous arguments for the western elites that, in principle, with russia. well, what about such normal, rationally normal national affairs? it is impossible and only the way, let's say, to calm them down is, well, for the time being, to show them the power, to show them that there are means to restrain them precisely in the force a-a aspect and not in some other, not in politics, diplomatic. therefore, this is one of

the arguments that, in fact, the russians are like that in fact, the western countries and the western elites, who are still hesitant to a certain extent, are there to increase military aid to ukraine or not, and when the western elites look at this kind of behavior of russia, they all perfectly understand that the only the way is, if not to stop it, then at least to force the russians to stand in some kind of frame. it’s just, well, to give us means of destruction in order for the russian er-e ship, which was raised this time to intercept the drone, it was near the island of the snake er, so that, for example, on the island changes and it was parked in the petriv battery, for example. and so that these aircraft were simply afraid even in the crimea on the aerodrome if they took off from there, it was just as if they were aligned even on the runway in order to take off into the air and with such steps, russia is leading the west to this understanding that the only way to restrain this kind of behavior is simply to create such conditions for the russians that they are simply

beyond the limits of their air , sea, and air space. plane or that ship , who will allow himself this kind of behavior in the international, in the international or in the air or in one space, in the institute of the study of war, the american institute stated today that this incident will not lead to any direct conflict of a direct war between the usa and russia. and this is important. i mention this because , in fact, yesterday many people perceived this incident as the beginning of some kind of big war between russia and the usa. today, ukrainian top officials , in particular, oleksiy danilov, said that russia went to a-banks that this is supposed to be putin's signal about the readiness to expand the war, and explain why it won't turn into such a concrete big confrontation between two countries , because neither country is really interested, or for other reasons, that's

the most important thing, that is, well, whatever russians they didn't brandish their weapons, no matter how they demonstrated their er, er , very, very improper behavior, to put it mildly. nevertheless, the russians understand that in a direct confrontation with er, the armed forces of the united states, even at an abnormal level. well, in in principle, the defeat of the russian group, for example, on the territory of ukraine, it will take just a few days, and for this, the americans will not even need to mobilize any additional forces, they will have enough of the aircraft carrier group that stands in the mediterranean sea , and what they have will be enough for them on the eastern borders in terms of aviation, on the eastern borders of nato and uh, from the side of the united states of america, we perfectly understand that there is also uh, our own geopolitical calculation, there is a certain strategy which uh, well, first of all, it focuses on avoiding direct confrontation between two nuclear states, this is, in principle, a completely natural and rational approach, and in the end, in addition to

such a political and strategic side of this matter, there is also a purely practical side, well, we touched on this side a little with you when we talked about the fact that the russians calculated this very well the situation yes and they chose a drone they chose uh exactly the reconnaissance flight of this drone so well that is here and they chose not the most expensive model let’s say because the americans fly over the black sea not only they also fly global stealthy it more expensive and much more modern, yes, the reconnaissance platform, but the russians chose this particular flight and this particular model of the drone and this particular situation, that is, everything was calculated so that this incident, in the event of something, did not turn into anything plus the americans already, in principle, if they have the experience of losing these drones and even much more serious ones, because in the 19th year if we talk about the bell, then in the 19th year iran was able to get, as they say

, one by one a piece, yes, after planting this army modification, there was a chatter, and by the way, since that time, more modern drones have appeared there, the same uh, shahed muhajjers there and so on, and even then president trump still threatened pollyanna with a missile strike , but in the end ended at the level of those of sharp political statements, that is, in principle, such incidents and such a primarily political politician, the diplomatic settlement of them in the united states is already all the more so considering the risks of the situation eh well, and the risks of escalation really to the point that russia well, for sure at my stage nobody knows what is in the head of this bunker leader of theirs, he can theoretically reach for the nuclear button , yes, well, naturally, the west and the united states are doing everything possible to avoid such a situation. in fact, the usa declared that they were interested in keeping the wreckage of this drone from reaching russia, but the secretary

of the russian security council, mykola patroshev, said that the wreckage of this drone must be removed from the bottom of the black sea, it is dangerous if these wreckage ends up in russia in for russia, this is not, of course, unpleasant , but there is nothing so critical here, because the americans really are not the first ripper that the americans lost, and on the black market of these wreckages, in principle , there were enough of them, that is, if, for example, russia i wanted to get some element, well, if it weren’t for the problem with the former russian resource, it would have been possible to get it, yes. especially since the drone , if it wasn’t super new and not super technological so as to somehow sincerely technologically modify yes. but if the iranians saw how they showed themselves in ukraine, then the interest of the russians would be completely understood, because it could be, as they say

, a bargaining chip for which they in iran can still as they say, buy additional military aid for that. well, the russians are perfectly aware of what they have with their nuclear weapons and the current state of their economy . they have neither the time nor the resources to learn how to develop this technology themselves and put it on the envelope, so to speak, yes , for it to be introduced into the taras weapons system, and very briefly today, the bbc wrote that this is an incident with an american drone over the black sea, so that it has the first consequences when british and german fighter jets jointly intercepted a russian plane somewhere near the airspace of estonia, do you agree that these are two situations and they are connected and the second consequence of the first, they are connected at this particular moment of time and in these circumstances, but we must remember that in the baltic countries under the guidance of the north atlantic alliance, the so-called airpliusion is carried out, that is, joint patrolling of the airspace by combat aircraft of nato member countries, and the specific

countries that participate in these patrols are constantly changing to rotation, but for nato - this is a routine procedure. that is, it was the planes of two separate nato member countries. it is simply that the mechanism that was launched to ensure the security of the airspace of the baltic countries and it has been operating for far the first year, since the 14th year , nato began actively conduct air patrols well, it just so happened that at the present time the price of the atov patrols is that they will obviously in the near future act much more quickly and react much more harshly to any possible further provocations by the russians thank you very much for your comment, taras zoftenko, an expert on international security at the democratic initiatives foundation, we talked about the incident over the black sea, thank you very much , support the ukrainian artillery with a load , the european union is considering a plan to transfer ammunition to ukraine from its warehouses, and

replenish stocks by combining demand and formalizing joint purchases. you are keeping the load of the european defense industry, providing support for ukraine as much as it will be needed zoryana stepanenko, a correspondent of radio svoboda, will tell you more about the plans the european union should strengthen the ukrainian front, the plan according to which the reserves of ukrainian gunners should be replenished was discussed today by diplomats from all member countries, the matter is urgent , ukraine cannot lose the war, the president of the european council, who presented the scheme to the meps, emphasized that russia had fired up to 50,000 shells every day in recent months , as previously calculated by a top eu diplomat up to seven thousand because it saves how critical in such a proportion of forces the time factor volodymyr zelenskyy explained to the eu leaders while here in in brussels, the urgent request of the political and military leadership of ukraine for 155-mm projectiles, in particular, to hold the territory and the spring counteroffensive, and in estonia

there was a plan to transfer ammunition to ukraine from the warehouses of the member countries, replenish its own stocks by purchasing new ones at joint expense and thereby putting the production of the necessary on the wheels front in ukraine, the toolkit in the perspective of a long-term scheme that did not immediately arouse enthusiasm in the other eu member states in the european institutions and now writes the politiko publication referring to its sources here we are close to an agreement in order to win peace we have to strengthen our defense strengthening it means the development of our industrial capacities and this is an urgent need to support ukraine we would like to see an escalation in the direction of peace but russia continues to escalate the war, unfortunately we do not see any signals that the kremlin is ready before searching for ways to end it, the eu considers it necessary to prepare on its part to pledge a billion euros to the european peace fund for partial reimbursement of the cost

of ammunition to countries that want to now transfer to ukraine and another billion for the joint purchase of new ones, by the way, this is an unprecedented page in history, there is a joint order for weapons, they want to combine demand and money for the sake of one big deal, and not dozens of small ones that will compete with each other , then contracts with potential suppliers may be more profitable, this scheme testimony because there are conscious facts, the war can last a long time, and also because they will not get tired here - the ambassador of ukraine to the european union told us, the debate if we are talking about ammunition or if we are talking about equipment is as objective as possible. they are also trying to mobilize their industry as much as possible for today, realizing that no one can say today how long the war will last in order to be able to support us, in fact , how much it will be necessary, our sources in the diplomatic circles of the eu are waiting for the approval of the plan at the beginning of next week and at the end of the week the finalization by the leaders

of the member states of the european union, which will come here for their next summit, when in this case the projectiles will be sent to ukraine, it is still difficult to predict from brussels zoryan stepanenko marik hayduk radio svoboda well, if you watch us on the internet, like this broadcast in this way, support our work. and we have one more topic, metropolitan of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate pavlo lebid and other monks of this church appealed to the ukrainian people and the ukrainian authorities and called not to evict them from the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, i would like to remind you that the ministry of culture and information policy announced on march 10 that the uoc mp must vacate all the premises by march 29 rents the uoc-mp in the kyiv-pechersk lavra in this church, they declare that the demands of the officials have no legal basis, and addressing the ukrainian authorities today, representatives of the uoc urged not to interfere in the affairs of the church, and as told by one of the priests, one of those whom

we are currently showing on the video, supposedly he i predicted the victory of volodymyr zelenskyi in the presidential elections, i prayed for his victory and now i am asking zelenskyi not to insult the laurel, but on the contrary to protect it. i prayed , i asked god that the lord would reveal who will be our president. vladimir zelensky became president, i called his friend mikhail, it was not yet an election, we can congratulate vladimir will be president later, mikhail told me, he speaks to the council , vladimir said in joy that if they elect me, i will even improve and that is why i told all this to all brothers of the monastery and parishioners we all prayed that volodymyr zelensky would become the president, and now i am asking him, once we prayed for him, that he would become the president, that

he would not offend our lavra, but, on the contrary, protect it. so, from march 20 to 29, according to the order representatives of the uoc mp must leave the premises on the territory of the lower lavra. at the same time, the ukrainian authorities are hinting to the monks that there is a scenario in which they will be able to stay in the lavra. well, for example, on the eve of the telethon, minister of culture oleksandr tkachenko stated that the procedure for the legal return of kyiv property of the pechersk lavra for the use of the state does not provide for the eviction of the monks, but some representatives of the uoc mp say it is better to leave the territory, listen to what he said. first of all , no one raises the question of the eviction of the monks we are talking about the return of property that actually belongs to the state in the use of both movable and immovable, which is important, and the second is how - if anyone should leave, in my opinion , in the first place, it is precisely those

leaders who were illegal buildings on the territory of object of unesco for many years, metropolitan pavlo antoniy of the sanoidal department of the uoc mp administration, and only then can we talk about all the others, when asked about what the monks themselves should do , tkachenko noted that they always have a choice , probably referring to or hinting at their transfer to the ptu well, according to the eviction notice that the uoc mp received on march 14, that is, as of yesterday , a commission was supposed to be created or created to accept the transfer of state property, well, what is interesting after the reserve of the kyiv-pechersk lavra announced the termination of the contract with the monastery uoc and asked the representatives of this church to leave the territory of the lavra, the head of the ukrainian orthodox church, patriarch kirill, rest in peace, volodymyr gundyaev, complained about ukraine to various institutions and international organizations, which are mentioned on the website of the ukrainian orthodox church, he wrote letters to

the pope of the secretary general of the moon and the osce and even in the high commissioner for human rights, i have to say that i have already even a reaction, pope francis said he called, more precisely, for the respect of religious objects in ukraine, well , obviously, this is already the first reaction, how can the history of the eviction of the uoc mp churchmen from the lavra, now we will talk about it on the air, the doctor of the left bank publication sonia koshkina joins my greetings. good evening. congratulations. thank you for the invitation. you must be very simple . i will follow this topic. do you know about this priest, a churchman who turned to volodymyr zelenskyi and said this, i prayed for you, now you are expelling him about this zachariah, father zachariah is known for the fact that this is exactly what he had after the service in the lavra not so long ago by russia, and it was for this reason that father zaharia was suspected and a court imposed a preventive measure on him. as far as i remember, i could be wrong, but as far as i remember, this

is either a personal commitment or a night house arrest, father zaharia very legendary you know the person, well, in every large monastery, there are people who are considered such seers, and who exorcise poltergeists. don't ask me now what this has to do with the orthodox faith , there is none, or they exorcise demons from small children or something they are doing similar things about this zachariah, that's why he says that he predicted the victory of volodymyr zelenskyi. well, this is pure speculation in his so far, but he has many supporters. especially at one time, the leaders of the party of regions also loved and respected him very much, a talented person, well, how do you think this story will end

? what are the scenarios, will all the churchmen go, or maybe some kind of consensus will be adopted, as tkachenko already openly hints that the monks can stay, what are all the possible scenarios for now , but you allow well, many scenarios actually exist. i have a lot of respect for oleksandr tkachenko and his opinion, but it seems to me a little short-sighted to recommend it now uh, antonio pakanichu and uh, lebedyu pavlo lebedyu personally, but if there are a lot of people, why do they say that because a lot of people supported mr. tkachenko's statement, so if these two leave the lavra, then all the questions will be removed , well, the truth is that e p tkachenko is absolutely right in this that most of the problems that currently exist in the lavra, which are related to the bench and in general to the leadership of the uoc mp, are related precisely to these two people, because it is precisely the antonym of pokanich, who is currently

a sub-saction person what is pavlo lebyd? the abbot of the lavra, a subordinate person, they are such, you know, pro-russian hawks of the uoc mp, although in general it is a large church and there is a patriot, this is a priest, there are absolutely normal parishioners, but the behavior of these two and, unfortunately, not only these two from among the supreme clergy , it leaves a big stain on the entire structure that is, nominally, of course, the lavra is, well, it is quite a big job, and in fact the monks themselves , according to the ancient tradition, have the right, in most cases, not in all, but in most cases, they have to choose their superior, and i know that really in the lower the lavra has such sentiments that for many really sincerely believing monks it is important to stay in the lavra and they are really ready to join the ptu, namely the newly established monastery of the ptu , which is registered. it is not registered at the address of the upper lavra, but in fact it is a lavra and it is obvious that this monastery will be

develop, i.e. morally, they are ready, but excuse my profane language, they may not be able to do it individually , that is, the rules are a little different, it is a choice to do, uh, well, the community, ah, can they ask under the omophor of the ecumenical patriarchate, they can theoretically, but practically, i will remind you that the uoc, the russian orthodox church, and the uoc, the mpi, in this regard, supported the rupture of canonical communication with the ecumenical patriarchate, that is, theoretically, of course , they can ask, but it must be somehow very cunningly twisted, because directly yes, beyond the limits of the protocols, uh, i hope that there will be no 29th in the canvas, or that no one will be expelled from there by force, that the majority of uh, well, the majority of conscious citizens, let's say so

voluntarily, on the territory of the lavra. and those who will remain. well, i think they will continue to live there. and in some time, if the ptu monastery starts working there, because we are talking now only about what is being evicted, the uoc mp does not have a decision about what ptu will enter there, so if this happens, maybe one of them later he will join the new monastic community but it will be only them sonya you mentioned and not only the kind tkachenko also mentioned in two people it is pavlo lebid the vicar of the lavra and metropolitan antoniy pakanych it seems brovarsky and boryspilsky actually call him the second chornobyl boryspilsky is actually called the second person after onufry, well, about these two famous people, they are under sanctions and so on, but in this context , nothing is known about onufry, who is the head of this church. and in this context, what should be his fate there is a residence in the lavra, no, he does not have residents, he is not there, the late most blessed volodymyr sabudan had a residence in the lavra, and it is a small house

that is now included in the list. as you know , on the territory of the lower lavra, a an audit, the results of which revealed that more than 36 buildings in particular are currently being investigated, it is possible that there will be more, but for sure there are 36 illegal constructions , superstructures, reconstructions, including on objects of historical significance and one of such objects - this is a small, two-story, quite old house in which blessed volodymyr sabodan lived for a very long time, whom everyone in the church loved very much and wished him well. decided to rebuild in order to equip the baths in the basement. why are there two elaziz stories? especially since , in fact, no one lives there all the time. this building has been used for a long time

. i apologize for a long time. he has been there for many years, and everyone knows that well, if you want to see it with the blessed one , you should not go to the lavra, because the authorities of theophany already have the residence of paul the swan. well, in he still has many houses in the region, including the kyiv region, but i don't see the time, we understand that this man definitely has a place to live . is it not so? or maybe i just don’t hear it? well, look, i like to talk about specific facts, that is, the historical cathedral of the really historical cathedral on may 27, uh, uoc mp, where they said that it’s not the mp anymore, although from the canonical point of view, i’m just i don't want now take up the time of you and the audience and go into this topic in detail, but from a canonical point of view. and canon law is something that is subject to universal orthodoxy

, that is, from a canonical point of view, the uoc mp remains part of the russian orthodox church, they call themselves an independent church , an autonomous church but again, there is no such term in canon law . on the 24th, as of february 24th, his beatitude onuphrius was outside kyiv, he was in his native bukovina, he urgently returned to kyiv , made an appeal and confessed his sin fratricide and he condemned , in fact , he was not right there as everyone now calls a war a war and so on, but he, well, he made a serious step for him. this council was such a breakthrough because the decision of the council of the uoc mp on may 27 , 2022 was prepared personally by metropolitan onufriy and when certain

proposals were made, when certain decisions were made, then she wrote a lot about it, repentant and in many present in the hall and, for example, the zaporizhian bow shouted that this is a split, i will leave now, i will take my delegation out of here. we do not want to be reprimanded by moscow, they do not recognize the saturday decision and they are asking directly. we have no reaction to the events in crimea . we have no reaction to the metropolitans. unfortunately, priests, abbots of monasteries, monks, traitors, collaborators and guides of the enemy, it all fits on one of the actual lines of libra, we have it for literally two minutes, but i still want to ask the left bank of your own publication, which you

present, referring to own sources , they wrote about what during the audit, numerous violations were discovered, you just mentioned the bathhouse, but in general, you wrote about 36 newly constructed somewhat arbitrary buildings, and sonya, it’s surprising that no one noticed this, but it was necessary to conduct an audit. well, that’s it construction on the lavra in the lavra has been illegal for a long time no, why isn't that all about it, everyone knew about it absolutely, it's not some kind of secret well, in fact, if that's the case , to be honest, half of the list is such, that is, these are buildings that are not directly related to monastic life, but there are, for example, now according to memory , he says, i may be slightly mistaken, for example, six or seven mafia stalls, but it is the territory of the lavra. it is very big and when pilgrims come there, well, that is, it is obvious that they have something, well, they must have some kind of minimal infrastructure, that is, i am not

protecting them at all now, and there are moments that, well, remove the map for 5 minutes of business. yes, but there are some moments that were well, about objectively dictated a is as in the history of this bath or as with the reconstruction above the upper gate or as the eviction and we remember the old history of the hospital from the territory of the lavra, well obvious violations are obvious but for example on the territory of the lavra it is not necessary either to forget, the academy is located, the seminary is located there, novice students live there, and they did all the repairs at their own expense . a beautiful library, well, that’s also a fact, it’s also necessary to talk about it, sonya, then the last question. what do you think? on march 29, i’ll repeat myself . the entire territory of the lavra, at least these two people mentioned by oleksandr tkachenko , will there be any conflicts with these two? exactly, antony has been taking things out for the last two days, and there is something to take out, uh,

about pavel. i think that he is once again well, we know that a case has been opened against him actually based on his statement, i’m just absolutely sorry for the black mouths, where is he, starting from the head of the psu , the most blessed epiphany, to president zelensky, all the contractors, everyone, peace be upon me, i think he will spend a few more he curses such services to everyone and then he calms down because he simply has no other choice. and as i already mentioned to the villager , she can stay. surely no one will drive them out by force, well, i mean, i can’t even imagine such a thing, but the more the government oppose, you also need to understand the psychology of these people the more they will be told either yes or no way to come out with things the more it will cause resistance in them and the more difficult it will be to conduct a dialogue with them, therefore i think they should not be pressured and often arrange everything in my place, in general, in conclusion, i emphasize that

everything is happening in the church, well, it is very such a structure, where everything happens very slowly, it is a very conservative structure, and these tectonic changes, which we have seen recently during the last year, are really significant enough for 1,000 years and i hope that everything will be in its place, the epochs will manage everything, thank you very much for your comment sonya koshkina, editor-in-chief of the left bank publication, we talked about the processes that are taking place now in the kyiv-pechersk lavra thank you well, traditionally i encourage you to subscribe to the pages of radio svoboda on the internet, and svoboda life will be back on the air tomorrow, meet the sales hit from unpack tv, martin's suit , an incredible hoodie and comfortable pants, an original

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