[000:00:00;00] i attached letters to kogutaro literally in december, she will propose, she proposed, let's make such a fund, i said, of course , it didn't happen, too, i sowed a lot for everything , it's necessary, we poured in since easter. krun yes pony will you even say what is your name ? well, i think we will go soon anyway. yes, yes, where he is now, we can't say where he is now, yes, but where he is now, they

want to go there to see him, yes, no help. the female assistant was very good. we worked very little with him, well, and often, fortunately, she helped me and accompanied me, because my mother was already having a hard time, and it was very difficult for me to enter. -some ideas came somewhere, some of them are there. rock of information . this does not mean that there is just one time and he sits crying, it will be wrong. you need to search for something. it's really painful to watch them, though so we can see that they are alive, well, he called me at half past six in the morning, mom, i'm already on my way to this one, and then i looked at the connection. natasha called me and said i never prayed inside, i prayed, i never fell on my knees

inside, he asked me here, he's very good, musical, me, everyone i have four children, i have all my children, i cried a lot, how much they supported me in the village, i am my own strength, chka , these are already tears of happiness for me

. hug show me daughter is close to you show me let's hug let's go come on now there is already some kind of system some scheme of work for today it works well we already understand where a person should be sent where should they be directed where should they leave their information about the fact that the person is in captivity we we even had, let's say, i initiated a campaign to the red cross when everyone was on the domestic front, at the moment everyone said that it was hopeless , but i said that we have no other tool for the protection of human rights according to the geneva conventions than the red cross and i

let's say, she got access to the body of a person who is now the head of the red cross in ukraine, and there are three of us, i'm tanya itara, we went to a meeting, and the meeting was more or less calm at first. i was just trying to convey what they should be actively included because i am contacted by people who say that we submitted a request to the red cross in june, because until the red cross receives the request and it does not enter it into its system, we also submitted in june and only in december they did not register this request eh now they have started. i am already hearing from people, but just the other day , they contacted me about the disappearance of a missing person. i told them where to go, the red cross, so that they could register. they registered in one

day. and we had a very difficult conversation, then they included more who told yes yes well no not among us all they are and the biggest questions to the representatives of the red are quite justified yes and er she asked that where were you where were you about me people were killed under me people were tortured where were you at that time and er- we left from this meeting i don't know how the person who now represents the red cross in ukraine felt, but we came out of this meeting with the intention of signing a memorandum between the dream federation and the red cross specifically in the direction of working with prisoners and the missing. by the way , for the information of the audience there

the red cross has funding for missing persons, so families who have a situation in the family when one of the family members is missing and the civilian military seems to me to be danes and the value of the military, yes, all of them they can we can apply again to- yes , we can once again duplicate exactly where to apply to the representative office of the red cross in ukraine and , firstly, to issue a search application, and secondly, you receive financial assistance , that is, in the description under video, yes, we can, yes, we can post it, and you also know that i was quite emotional in this conversation , is this what you know from mariupol, from other children who were orphaned, and they were taken to russia

, yes, and the conversation was quite interesting. when i asked them a question, listen. and we have children there in fact, they are in captivity. well, it’s er, it’s the same, hmm, it’s the same deportation, and it’s not agreed upon, and how exactly are you going to return these children? you’re the guarantor of the geneva convention, you have to do it. what did the representative of the red cross tell me? relatives of relatives i say which relatives children are not orphans children orphans it should be well the state of ukraine can turn to you and who is its guardian of orphans i only know three orphanages that were taken from mariupol in russia and i am more than sure that this list is inexhaustible i have first

the person snorted yes, and then they said that uh, let's ask and we have prepared a request now to the state authorities of ukraine, for some reason no one deals with this, i don't know why uh, we prepared these requests in order for the state of ukraine to go to court, yes the state of ukraine has turned to some competent authority to the red cross specifically regarding the orphans who were forcibly deported and who are now in the territory of the russian federation, these are our children, these are our common children , we have to return them to the state mentioned. i think many people will have a question, where is the state in this process, of course, the state is the first to deal with all these areas , the issues on which volunteers are working in our country , we understand that now we are, so now we are helping. i am just with them, why do i think you know me

just now i'm sitting and thinking , lord, the 14th year of déjà vu, yes, the state should have done this, yes, i also had cases when we negotiated with the representatives of the russian federation on the grand service. to carry out under white flags the wounded who were encircled. we agreed, then i went to the ministry of defense and the jury was waiting there for the helicopter that blocked the entrance to the ministry of defense. i had situations when i had 33 people who were not encircled and were wounded were lying in the fields like me. i got a call at night from the helite and he said that i don’t have such a situation, you know, there are many questions and now it’s the same

. why doesn’t the state get involved? for a moment, the child is dead, dead, born. they don't care at all, but at the same time, they work with large budgets. i just wanted to say, but this year they received 500 million hryvnias for their work. the ministry of finance, the ministry of education, the ministry of veterans affairs, and the ministry of health i mean, where is it? that is, i took the wounded out there now. we were dealing with yura and while i was there, tanya, you can somehow cooperate with the state in some direction. i don't want to say, well, let's be political, yes, with great efforts, you know, we were probably the force that forces the state in the form of officials who are responsible for certain areas to start doing something

, because if he is our initiator, if you are our appeals if there won't be any of our efforts, frankly speaking, i don't know if there will be any sense. well, for my own direction, i will say that we managed to build quite effective and productive relations with the coordination headquarters of the gur, this is exactly the organization that deals with rights captives and missing persons. that is, we communicate quite adequately, caress, uh, they have uh, part of social services that they provide to people who apply to the coordination headquarters. but there are cases when they simply cannot provide this same help to this family, then they turn to they ask us to help this family, and of course we take such a family into custody because i have no

moral right. well, these are civilian families, or why can't we help because the situation is a little better with the military, for example, such social requests, i will tell you in the zaga. is the mother of the prisoner of war is sick quite seriously, she doesn't even need medical help, medical care, yes, and uh, in the coordination headquarters of the mountains, they have neither funding nor authority to provide this mother with the necessary medical care. then, of course, this mother could be it is good to send to the ministry of veterans who should take care of this and provide my mother with normal medical care and finance or the ministry of social policy, but for now we are talking about two ministries that create

the illusion of life at the beginning of the war, they are not they explain, they explain, it’s actually a dead structure, that’s why they actually can’t provide help to this family, and that’s why the coordinator there can refer such a person to us, and we take this person into custody and provide him with the necessary help, too , when a family of civilians prisoners, for example, families of military prisoners mostly, but not all of them receive payments, families of civilian prisoners, they seem to receive a couple of thousand 4,200 from minsotsu, imagine if there are three or four, five children in such a family, oh, oh, imagine, oh kyivshchyna kyivshchyna in the villages of kyivshchyna when the russians left they took away civilian men and women and the old people were taken simply to cover the columns so that our columns would not be broken and now these people they are in fact so since

april they are prisoners of the russian federation and ate - their exchange they it is extremely difficult , it is very difficult to pull out one person at a time for several exchanges. it is very difficult to exchange these people, and their families are now in a terrible situation. there is no need because it is actually the loss of a breadwinner in each to such a family and here the minsots should be connected or issue the status of loss of breadwinner and assign a pension or excuse me. what else can you support us? i would like to say what is a very painful story about which i had a meeting with a representative of the ministry of defense yesterday and they talked about it, we should have it in the country according to the law, the register of missing persons on the basis of this register, according to the law, we will now say only what is on the paper, on

paper . she's there, yes, after that, this information must be entered into the register, after this information is entered into the register, this person receives the status of er, that er, the family has someone without a visa, they disappeared, and from that moment on, 6 months pass, if 6 months pass and if a person is not found, then he is considered dead and already there some payments begin, we have one problem . we do not have such a register

. a year of war. the ministry of defense the ministry of defense does not understand what to give them, that's why i mentioned yesterday's meeting because the representative of the ministry of defense told me, god says, these are the documents that i am giving. i do not understand what i am giving, i say yes. it has such a structure, she wrote it and she approved it, but it doesn't work , and there is a huge number of uh people who apply . the first question is because we have a very big problem of polony, polony, yes civilians in general this is simply, well, simply an unreal story, because here they disappeared, i told you about this story , the dead well, it is easier for the dead, but we have a situation

, well, for me, this was even a discovery recently , we have the concept of the dead, there is the concept of the dead , the dead - this those who died in the spiers from wounds, but they have to go through the vlc posthumously that they died as a result of injuries , you understand, this is not on the head , that is, people who lost someone from their relatives there have to go through 50 circles of hell in order to get the status of e- e proper families are important years, with regard to the payments uh, well, listen to the declared 15 million. well, let's be honest, now it's clear, don't

pay the sled. you know that literally in january, the minister of defense already signed an order that the first three million are still being paid, and the other funds are being extended for 40 months, but i can show the following, i am more than sure that this will not happen either, because the ministry of defense is has its own budget e protected items of income according to this budget are salaries - weapons are food, protected items of income are what must be paid for everything else, if there are no funds, then there are none, and therefore either hope for international support or reparations and someday they will be and to close it will be on reparations. yes, i am there. also, in the summer, we participated in the bill that was written on reparations, because in order to go, uh

, go and say that we need to pass this law internally, and the fact remains that now there is no money, yes, it is money no i you know, it happens very often there when you start to communicate, you say that the families of the dead need help, he says yes, they are already there , the payments are so huge, why should good people help them? well, it's not like that, it's not like that, sometimes between the fact of death and the first money that comes they come to the family for a few months, it takes a few months, yes. sometimes i died in our house. they returned and they still haven't received the payment because there are problems

with the processing of documents because there the military unit does not go to communicate with the parents because there is a problem communication with the military committee, they do not provide the necessary documents, you understand, the people themselves are in shock. in severe grief and she faces this huge setback bureaucrats by a machine that perceives them purely as statistics and not as living people. here is the problem with this, and with this the problem with the fact that there are only people in the military units who are authorized to communicate with their native days in the military committees, people are actually untrained and they behave very often in ways that are not humanly inappropriate, and this is a serious problem. and this is exactly where we have excellent partners: the center for the protection of human rights , the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights, who provide legal assistance, who help us

get through all this a bureaucratic machine for people who help to issue all these letters and requests, they do a lot of work and now in fact all the people who contacted us and indicated in the questionnaire that they do not have formalized status documents, we redirect them there to this ukrainian center protection of human rights so that they can at least start the stage of drawing up documents. yes, the memorandum, we work with them. they do a lot in this direction, because they have lawyers who specialize in this, who know where to go, how to go, how to request documents, what requests to submit and it is extremely important and it is a significant help for such families, do you know when you start to study the requests and see what people are asking for

? yes, you know, and you begin to traumatize this well, you traumatize yourself because you understand you know such stories, they are sometimes like that, well, such stories come across, what are they at all? you don't even realize how such a thing is possible, for example, there is the donetsk region , which is under the control of ukraine, a village in which a family died in which the breadwinner of the house died no, the house is destroyed, and you don’t have children to live in. it’s clear in what state we don’t have payments. there are a lot of requests in kyiv region, yes , we have a lot of requests in kyiv region. there is no roof on

the house. there is no house there. to rent a house, that is, everyone knows that i, er, i really would not like it to be talked about from the tv screens that families will receive help, because when they say this, well, it is not true today, and it er, levels them the problems that such families have and when we start talking like this let's help us in uh-uh they answer us yes the state provides state benefits and once again i want uh such a communication failure yes yes you understand the result is not the right of communication we say diametrically opposite things yes and uh, in this matter , i would like to point out once again. do we all have to get used to the idea

that all these families who are left without a breadwinner, all these families are our joint social responsibility of the entire state of ukraine and renounce this problem it won't work, because if we are baptized by her, we will have very big problems in the future, so how can we contribute to helping your fund for our viewers , where is the child, peace, props, we can also leave them, i think we will show them like every ukrainian can help your fund and in this way help our families of our soldiers, you know, conscientious ukrainians, they already help the army, i think so, i hope that your viewers definitely help, but if you feel the need, if you feel interested,

if you want to help, of course according to our details, you can transfer any amount that you can send to you, e.e., also if such grief has happened in your family and you need legal help, psychological help, even humanitarian help, you can apply to fill the application form is published on the ukrainian dream foundation page. you can find it on facebook, as well as on instagram, or go to this or mine page and there you can find a link. fill out this application form. now we are changing the e-e system somewhat, but it is not will affect the collected data that we collect. we are currently processing all this knowledge a-a we are looking for any opportunities to close if it

is a private company that produces something, what is needed? for these families, it is in particular clothes , shoes, etc. you can certainly refer to the data personality or to me and we with we will be happy to accept help even with ready-made products, we are actually asked a lot for clothes and shoes and some household items and products, and this is all needed and we are ready to accept this help and will be extremely grateful . yes, now there are details, the details are on the pages, and we can leave the details, you can give them in the subtitles , but i think that in the near future every ukrainian will be in sufficiently well-known places and in sufficiently well-known places. let's say the internet...

communication places will see banners or information or a link to the page of the dream foundation and when you see it, i will appeal to the audience when you see it and go if you even leave 10 hryvnias they will help if each of us does this, this is a powerful, very powerful story, if each of us does this, then we will be able to change the future, the only thing i can add is that even when people do not have the opportunity to help financially, it is very important to always see who is

next to you, maybe next to you live there neighbors who need banal hugs for support, perhaps the mother of a prisoner lives nearby who needs help with groceries or take her to the hospital, perhaps a young woman lives nearby with a small child, or a man is captured or killed and this woman needs at least half an hour to stay alone help with childcare just be attentive to those around you and this society in which you are now helping , which you can now help with your attention, it will later return this attention and this same help to you, this is very important, well, that's right that's also what she said that each of us uh, i'm saying that i'm like a mother of three boys, yes each of us each uh, we should tell this to our children that there are families that need

more attention the child was invited to the stairs there. hmm, there is a time to believe, er, to return to see a real mother with a small child nearby. yes, who does not sleep there and just say that well, come on, i will walk in the park with your little one for three hours, and just be more human and understand that everyone the families that surround us are very many, very many you already know everyone. it hurts me a lot when not a month ago a close person asked me for help, and last night she wrote to me. prjt died, it doesn't hurt me so much. i understand that it is such a large number of people who have lost someone from their relatives, just from someone

the old parents were left. there they were, there was no family. well, we know. yesterday we buried dmitri, uh, da vinci, he had no children , but the parents remain, the mother remains, the father remains , maybe only the bride, too. well, there is a separate story. yes, there are very painful things. parents, parents may need trivial food, trivial medicine, trivial, just go in and listen to them how their child grew up, because it is important to them, so i turn to everyone who listens. this interview is just to everyone , look around you, you will see these families , see these eyes in which total pain total suffering and total total