[000:00:00;00] and they buried dmitry da vinci, he had no children, but the parents remain , the mother remains, the father remains, maybe only the bride, well , that’s a separate story, yes, it’s very painful there, it ’s all the parents who remain, the parents may need banal food, banal medicine, banal simple come and listen to them how their child grew up because it is important to them, so i am addressing everyone who listens. this interview is simply for everyone, look around you to see these families, see these eyes in which

there is complete pain, complete suffering and complete the absolute need for your attention, your help, and do something about them for them, even if you approach them to hug them and say that you are next to them, it is very important, i want to end the conversation with a call, let's not be indifferent , let's remember that the war is going on , there will be more such stories and there is no need to forget about it. let's think about the fact that the state is now engaged in our victory, and these families. these children we talked about are our responsibility, so join the fund, we and details and all the links and the questionnaire is also for if you need such help, we will leave it in the description thank you for this conversation dana yarova dad bo tetyana komlyk thank you thank you glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and

good health to all today is march 16, the 386th day of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, in the morning in russian rostov, the building of the border service of the federal security service of the russian federation is on fire. during the day, the aviation of the defense forces made 16 strikes on the market of accumulation of manpower and equipment of the occupiers, meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of march 16, russia has already lost 162,560 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed a thousand orcs at the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,504 tanks, 6,710 armored fighting vehicles, 2,539 valerian systems, 503

rocket launchers, 265 anti-aircraft weapons of defense 305 aircraft 289 helicopters 530094 units of automotive equipment 18 ships of boats 97 cruise missiles-245 drones 257 units of special equipment about the century -long war between russia and ukraine political subtaph to putin and what should we do next with russia after the victory, we will talk about all this for the next hour i want to present today's guest of ours is a people 's deputy of ukraine, historian and politician volodymyr vyatrovych p volodymyr good day good health to you thank you and glad to see you in our studio good day greetings to everyone well first of all i i would like to congratulate volodymyr vyatrovych on the publication of a book. this book was published by the fabula publishing house. it is called our centennial short essays about the long war. these are 45 essays that tell about the hundred-year

history of the war between russia and ukraine, because we usually talk about the ninth anniversary of the great war. a war with russia or one year of a great war, but for 100 years russia has been trying to kill ukraine for 100 years , national liberation competitions have been held, obviously we are now in the finals of these national liberation competitions, so we will to talk with volodymyr today about how we work and how we are trying to overcome russian aggression for those who are in lviv, i will say that today at 6:30 p.m. there is a bookstore on svobody avenue 7, there will be a presentation of this beautiful book. come, it will be interesting. volodymyr will be there i will be among them and i will lead this presentation, let's start mr. volodymyr with rammstein, because yesterday was the 10th anniversary of a meeting in the rammstein format, let's hear

what volodymyr zelenskyi said about this meeting and the results of this meeting another meeting was held in the rammstein format for the tenth time, ammunition for our soldiers, artillery, tanks, the protection of the ukrainian sky, all this was discussed, there is a solution . thank you to the united states that coordinate rammstein and all our partners for their constant willingness to help. this is especially important now, when it is felt that russian aggression is approaching the moment when it there is no such terrorist who could build up his potential in confrontation with the free world, russia is not an exception. so , mr. volodymyr, we are dealing with of the anti-putin coalition, which includes more than 50 countries. let's try to compare the two coalitions: anti-hitler and anti-putin

. what do they have in common and what is different about them? well , first of all, it is probably the common values ​​that united this coalition. these are the values ​​of democracy, values freedom is the task that they set before themselves to restrain this onslaught of the world, not freedom on independent states. that is, this is what unites the anti-hitler modern anti-putin coalition. what differentiates it is probably the fact that the anti-hitler coalition actively joined war, especially after 1941, when the united states of america joined it, up to direct participation in hostilities. now , unfortunately, the situation is that it is actually the one that exists in this world, it is not freedom in the form of the russian federation . to our western allies with the support of the military , with the support we receive through rammstein but nevertheless, the hostilities are taking place on ukrainian territory, the main soldiers

participating in this are ukrainian soldiers in there is still a big difference in this. it seems to me that this is precisely what allows putin to overtake this anti-bout coalition to a certain extent in such a way that he already understands. he is already playing the third world war in at the time when this anti-putin coalition is trying to push the solution of this issue as far as possible, that it may develop into some kind of more global conflict. it seems to me that exactly what he did when the second world war began and this coalition was just founded is absolutely similar the situation is so absolutely the only thing that is really the case with hitler, the situation was such that for some time we had to try to restrain him with some handouts, we are also talking about the munich conference in 38-39, but after the attack on poland, great britain got involved in the war in the 41st year, france surrendered to the united states of america, that is, in principle

, everything was quite dynamic, that is, the valt deterrence, which came against the anti-giter in the adehydrov coalition with putin, we now see a confrontation in which, anyway, the foreground now remains ukraine with the support of other western countries, that is, there is no reason to complain because the military-technical assistance we receive plays a decisive role. but at the same time, i understand that in order to finally win this war, for me, the final victory in the whole war is still the reformatting of the russian federation, so it is obvious that it will be necessary for this task to include not only ukrainians, but representatives of other peoples who are just united in this anti-boutinism. is it possible talk about the fact that the issue of the end of this war has already been decided after, er , great britain, germany, and the united states of america during december, january and february made it clear that russia in its current form is not

needed by the world, well, world leaders, and what did he say biden came to kyiv that russia will never win this war. is it obvious to the whole world and to russia that they will not win? well, on the one hand, we must not forget that russia is also taking steps aimed at forming its own, if we say parallels to the axis of evil, we are talking about china, we are talking about iran , that is, here, too, what was being built yesterday was absolutely. they are also directing their efforts to not be left alone against the free world. that russia should be different. i'm afraid that in such a weaker version, russia should be different and our western allies can be satisfied by russia simply without putin

, that is. the west is trying to find good russians in russia and make a bet on them, this is again from a historical point of view a very wrong move, because this repetition of old historical mistakes happened in, you know, somewhere in 1918-19, when instead of the west instead of supporting ukraine or other nations that fought against bolshevik russia, he placed his trust in white russia, and it obviously collapsed. this was the case in 1991, when, after the collapse of the soviet union, russia itself was recognized as a more reliable partner in who was allowed to keep nuclear weapons, who invested the largest amount of resources, including financial ones, and as a result, er , they turned out such a terrorist who now threatens the whole world again, and therefore i think that er, ukraine should speak more loudly about the fact that er- to propose this idea that the russian language should be reformatted and gradually so that this idea takes root somewhere in the west, now it is already being discussed in

some expert circles, it is no longer something , some absolutely marginal topic, but it is obvious that the politicians of the e-e type or the higher echelon of the western countries are still afraid to voice it, well, actually, e-e, putin himself says that there can be several states on the territory of russia, that the russian people can be divided into the brains and the urals, there into the siberians how he said there and so on, but going back to the bulk of this story with the oscar, well, it’s clear that where there are film academies, which ones determine the best films, a documentary . obviously , this is the decision of these film academics. don't try to do it it's just not easy to make a successor of putin out of the crowd, but to separate the crimes committed by putin and the crimes committed by the russian people, well, in this way of saying well, you see

, we removed putin, putin is a war criminal and the entire russian people he was under the oppression of this war criminal he could not do anything. well, navalny, including navalny, is generally sitting in a boot camp, and this is an attempt to make good russians, as we always try to find them, well, i mean, before the war, we tried to find them now are we talking or are we asking rhetorical questions, are there good russians, is there not this attempt to divide putin and the putinites, and well, the russians with whom you can talk and leave them , including nuclear weapons, because this is also a very big question, what will happen after the war and after our victory or let them have nuclear weapons, because this has become a weapon of blackmail in the hands of the russian federation, and in some speeches and publications of western experts , this term putinforg, which dominated quite

recently, is gradually disappearing. there are interesting theses that recently appeared, uh, a tweet seems to be michael mcfall's. where does he say that this is not putin's war, that it is the war of the russian people, that is, a very correct understanding. but if we talk again about those people who, so far, uh the decision is not that of the experts, but here, after all, i absolutely agree with you. i can see the desire to separate putin from the rest of the russian people and make the ultimate culprit who should bear the main punishment for this war. i absolutely agree that putin should be punished for this war. war but actually for that in order to prevent any future wars well, we have to understand that putin is far from alone behind this war, it would not have been possible to reformat the third reich after its defeat into the normal democratic germany that it became in the decades after the 45th year, if they concentrated your attention to the fact that in everything you are not only hitler, nor the processes of denazification affected every german, the processes of denazification

affected the whole of germany germany was divided into occupation zones in germany these processes of identification took place demilitarization, that is, what allowed gave a chance to the germans, who, unfortunately, did not have the internal potential as a society to overcome this terrible disease of imperialism , and they were obviously helped in this by external forces. large-scale socio-political changes, we did not see any resistance movements , any large-scale protest actions, which would indicate that russian society has a healthy potential to separate itself from this clique of the way, well, this shows that it needs external support and to do it simply by the hands of the russians themselves, that they themselves will be reborn, get rid of these imperial diseases, unfortunately, this will not happen , that 's what you're

talking about. no. one thing, not just one generation of russians. it was at a book festival at an exhibition on a large and there was a separate gathering, a separate evening where the germans explained to the whole world and whose representatives were in the hall about their guilt in the second world war, and that is, for me it was very strange because these were already the children and grandchildren of those people who started the second world war, participated in this second world war, can russia realize and come to this process of denazification , because in principle they want to denazify us and demilitarize us, and in principle this demilitarization is a fiction and getting rid of their nuclear weapons. apparently, this is the process that awaits the russian federation after our victory , the truth is true. but this requires our victory, this requires the defeat of the russian federation, if you only then

it will be possible to start this process, and again in this process, a lot of initiatives should be taken by the free world, because it is hoped that the russians themselves will do it , because igor igor, er, tsar putin will disappear , it seems to me completely unreasonable. i don't i see such a potential in russian society that they could do it themselves , what happened to the germans. the first generation took this denazification literally very dramatically. the first years when it was carried out . well, it was carried out under coercion and force. when they drove the germans to the excavations of the victims of the nazi regime, when the germans were shown in the pauses between movies in the cinemas again some kind of newsreels , they showed the crimes of the nazi regime , in which virtually all germans were involved in one way or another. although at least all this caused silence some kind of non-acceptance was turned away from the germans, but in the end, the next generation really grew up

, which understood it from its predecessors. world war until the russians, er, do not come to such processes until then, we can repeat it, that is, even if the war stops, even if, er, putin is overthrown, they will kill him, he himself will commit suicide, he will be put behind bars, er nothing will change unless there is a process of depriving the russians of this imperialist heritage that they have been carrying here for hundreds of years. well, i just wanted to ask if they are able to grasp it and realize it, because of the cruelty and what we faced during the last year of the great war, it shows that people are not fighting against us, i would say so because, for example, i grew up near russia in the sumy region and have been there for 16 years. i would never have thought that those people who live literally

in 30- 40 km from me, that they will start killing my relatives , that they will start destroying villages, that they will start shelling cities, that they will start raping women , that they will start looting, that is, they have had it for ages , this is beastly, what they have, if they were not offended there now and they didn't talk about it but oh well we see these atrocities, what is the reason for this, where does it come from, again, it is their special russian imperialism, if british imperialism consists in self-aggrandizement, what is it? we are so good , we know better than others, we will make you gradually become like us, then russian imperialism consists in because they understand that they live very badly in very bad conditions and their task is to make everyone live in the same bad conditions, that is, to destroy everything that is better than them, this phrase that was constantly

repeated by russian soldiers in our country kiev region, who allowed you to live so well? well, it really reflects the essence of the thinking of an ordinary russian . what kind of screw does this mechanism of russian imperialism have ? campaigns of the russian army in europe even before the pow first world war second world war it has always been accompanied by this russian imperialism with crimes and terrible destruction yes, yes, yes, they see themselves like that, unfortunately, they are the peculiarities of this russian mentality and they always left behind piles of shit, as they did in the kyiv region and other regions of ukraine. well, i personally witnessed the literal meaning of what you say when a pile was left on the bed above the bed in the inscription above us only stars. this it seems to him that he was in the kyiv region for a week and there were actually a lot of such cases . in other words, this is evidence of the disease of this

society, and putin in this case is only one of the symptoms of this disease. he is definitely not the cause of this disease, he is a propagandist in russian, you can’t reach an agreement there on the strategic issues of the skabeev war, for example, you don’t think about strategic issues, you need to free bakhmut at any cost, she says, and the temporarily occupied regions are an expert trying to explain what is needed. although sometimes they think and plan their actions and what they think about is the principle of a unified position. a single country . let's hear and see. zaporozhye kherson region . war wait, i remind you that still, as it were, the traditional position of one side, the second point

is that it also understands the stress temples that can be connected . that's why it's 4, you need to understand that you 're going to calculate сейчас что потом не катяся already the situation, well, that's how volodymyr and i speak to ukraine, they are gradually becoming ukrainized because they no longer speak artemovsk bakhmut counteroffensive, that is, the process has already started, was it possible, mr. volodymyr, to avoid a big war between russia and ukraine? i think not , i think that we have already received a chance from history for 30 years, a little less than 30 years of the weakness of russia, which gave us the opportunity to prepare a little more before this war, that is, this war was inevitable, that is exactly what i am talking about in my book, that unfortunately this war was inevitable, and the only thing we could hope for was to better prepare for this

war, so we really could have prepared better, and it is obvious that if we were better prepared, maybe you dragged out the beginning of this war a little more, maybe we would have perceived the beginning of this war in a different way, because for many people , maybe the beginning of a full-scale major war was just a shock, but again, i live in the north kyiv oblast is next to me, and one of those phrases that most people heard after february 24 how could this happen, why did it happen , we did not expect that this would happen despite the fact that, as i try to show in my book, the entire history of ukraine screams that this is not the case it could not have happened that this was what was going on and it is obvious that we had to prepare and in fact our trouble was that we were taking advantage of this weakness of russia and thought that this weakness would be permanent but russia quickly recovered after the fall of the soviet union, well at least at first

in the 2000s, russia was already preparing for this war . that is why a lot of things are combined with putin in this war, because, in fact , preparations for a full-scale war began precisely from the time of putin's rule, which means that it was putin who initiated it himself. putin is actually a part of the wider system of the so-called siloviki , which unites primarily the fsb officers in other , e. began to earn much more money on its natural resources and began to put poor pressure on the world by declaring that ukraine should remain in the zone of influence of the russian federation and, among other things, it should be said that some kind of unspoken compromise with the measure that ukraine will remain in the zone of influence of the russian federation. maybe it would have been achieved if it were not for the ukrainians, who twice thwarted these attempts of russia

to somehow consolidate its influence directly, either in 2004 by putting his protégé through the falsification of the election of viktor yanukovych, or in 2013 by turning ukraine away from europe before integration into the same again in russia, i.e. and here, just after that, when these attempts to hold ukraine by political means failed, russia resorted directly to armed means at first to the hybrid war in 2014, and i realized that even this does not work, this so-called hybrid war has now reached a full-scale invasion, which in terms of its scale and in some features resembles the events already in the second world war, with which we started our conversation, you mentioned ordinary people who did not expect such an atrocity and such an attack by the russian federation and russian troops. but we had large analytical centers , including those about state structures. i

remember very well how it was before yanukovych. or maybe it is already under yanukovych, conclusions were drawn about possible risks or dangers that could await ukraine, and there was simply excluded the point that the russian federation is a potential threat to ukrainian statehood. you were tangential to state structures in general, because you worked as the director of the institute of the archives of the security service of ukraine, what do you say or did you see whether we had analysts who clearly calculated especially after 2008 after the russian attack on georgia, or did they calculate the following putin's move will be a war against ukraine. well, first of all, before 2008, this actually did not happen. and actually already working in the security service of ukraine, i remember a lot of different kinds of analytical documents, strategic

documents, defense strategy documents, which talked about the fact that the entire ukrainian the defense strategy was built, the most likely attack from the west is like this. in 2008, there was no point about russia. it is true that it only appeared after the aggression in georgia, but until 2008, we were waiting for a strike from the west , so even if you look at the military the infrastructure of ukraine for the location of military units, they were mostly in the west, uh, in return for providing some military needs of ukraine, that is, military factories were mostly in the east , that is, the logic absolutely continued, the soviet logic that we will be attacked by nato countries that are not friendly to us, in 2008, certain transformations really began that is, the georgian threat led to a certain rethinking during yushchenko's rule , it is obvious that certain processes were launched in

order to change it, but in 2010 again yanukovych's coming to power and very systematically once again deprived us of any tools that could prevent this russian aggression, and we are talking not only about some strategic documents, e.e. defense , the strategy of the agency, the security service of ukraine and poland, absolutely directly, the russian agency heads the key defense department and its task was, in essence, the liquidation of everything that could become the basis for the resistance of ukraine, starting with the political decisions of the kharkiv agreement that passed through the parliament, obviously even then it was clear that it is being done and why it is being done, and unfortunately, those people who initiated it, those people who even there from the presidium were escorted under umbrellas, i mean mr. lytvyn, who is directly lost to the weakening of ukraine in this regard and to specific practical of things, these are really personnel issues , the issue of disarmament of ukraine, the issue of the destruction of education, too, dmytro tabachnyk, now we will really move on to humanitarian policy, that is

, absolutely purposefully dmytro, television was one of the key tools of planting in the ukraine of the russian world, we are talking about history, we are talking about the ukrainian language, remember the kivalov wheelbarrow law, all this was done in the direction of ukraine moving towards belarus, that is, the plan was not that ukraine should immediately conquer no, well, it was quite enough for russia for ukraine to become formally independent belarus , in reality, in fact, absolutely a puppet of the state, which is ruled from the kremlin, and it was the uprising of ukrainians in 2013-14 that disrupted this puppet and the scenario and pushed russia to do what is necessary something must be done, ukraine must be returned and that is precisely why russia has already resorted to direct er-er in some instruments of armed aggression, and this is precisely what showed then a complete lack of readiness, and now you know when a lot of people complain that in 2014 it was necessary to fight for crimea, ukraine did not was completely ready, that is, the ukrainian army actually did not exist, that is, the systematic ukrainian army

was being destroyed. i remember very well those first weeks of march 2014, when the army was literally created from wheels, in particular, behind those once other maidan activists who were simply from the maidan volunteers went to the front, as it appeared, all the volunteer battalions that changed the situation at the front because the army, well, those who at that time were considered the army, they were not ready to fight, they were not even psychologically ready, it is not just about what equipment , that is, only when on those who were angry enough after the maidan appeared at the front and were ready for some kind of revenge for the losses we suffered on the maidan and the situation began to change psychologically, and then , thank god, the state picked up on it, which started to build a certain defense infrastructure, but even in these matters i was consistent. in 2019, the government changes, this is normal for a democratic state. it is good that our government periodically changes, but when a certain mr. taran comes to the post of minister, who for two years in a row actually fails

the defense order e- despite the threats that have not disappeared, despite the fact that the war continues , it is obvious that this greatly weakened the country and it is obvious that it provoked russia that this is a chance , this is an opportunity to do something with by this country, by the way, taran, who is already in her own country in slovenia, if the words or slovenia, slovenia, is the same with regard to putin. we have already started talking about how putin went to this war, it is clear that 20 years of his rule in the russian federation was... this was the way his personal path to the conquest of ukraine , that is, he bet his entire political career, even his life , on the conquest of ukraine.