[000:00:00;00] series and how it should be understood backwards, this is exactly what the name is about, that is, this name began to live and began to move on from moscow, and as you correctly showed, it acquired a different context, and then we remembered that it became a subject of the empire, then the question arises. in my opinion, destruction of the empire if we talk well, we're just talking i like the way you show it, you showed it well, you showed it on purpose, you made the background swamps, now you can argue, you expanded the moscow region a little bit, and you touched on it a little bit, a little bit of something that can be argued about, but in general, the context is absolutely correct, that is, the empire is still preserved, it is called the russian federation, it is renamed the russian empire, also in two words only the russian federation , it emphasizes the fact that there are conquered peoples, there is a huge number of captured peoples, well destroyed, er, they physically genocide them, they are a circle they send people from moscow to fight in ukraine

, they take from these peoples they take the crowns of the chuvash from the buryats from the tatars from the dagestanis, well chiche - all of them they take all these peoples from them and continue exterminate and sooner or later this prison of peoples must fall for the first time in ukraine, the concept of the fall of the prison of peoples was voiced during the second world war, even then, as ukrainians, fighting for independence from moscow against being part of the soviet empire , our ideologues and politicians announced back then and fighters and partisans about the fact that the prison of the peoples must fall, then in the broad sense the prison of the peoples included the baltics, it included us ukrainians, well, all of them, now some of the peoples have been freed, the same process has not ended and there is a question then and to what limit well, this prison must be reduced and we have precisely on this topic a p andriy but how do you think it is expedient to deal with it in a practical sense? is it necessary

? i have a big question. about expediency, because speaking of the military, is it more accurate muscovite because muscovy is a latinized name for the ukrainian language, muscovite would be more appropriate, slovakia, turkey , germany, if you say so , muscovite is better. there he is this is beetroot and others who are citizens of the russian federation at any moment can say that we did not in principle commit any crimes here , they bailed us out and in this way they can avoid punishment for war crimes and refuse to pay reparations after victory , for example, for example, it is necessary here it is good to think about the further consequences of such a renaming. i want to add, that is, putin spoke in his last year's speech there. and this is buryati, this is vintsi. how do you

say it? but together we are all russian all russians are to blame. and all russians must bear the same punishment, the same responsibility, or the same responsibility, absolutely correct , because otherwise we are the same russians again, they will say that we , the guys from aviad, who fought in the war, are to blame for everything , or from moscow, who are to blame for everything . that's why we have to on the one hand, yes, historically , we can justify that traditionally for our e-e lands, the territory was characterized by the name muscovite, which, let's say , was also used in europe, in western europe, in the same way in common things. it is more important for me not so much the historical discussion of this discussion as the expediency today and the expediency tomorrow as much as we wanted to ask you, we discussed this topic with you before the broadcast in public and

we came to the point that we have a lot of time we devote ourselves to this confrontation and constantly look at ukraine through the prism of russia well, how are we categorically opposed to this wording in general ukraine is not russia or ukraine or from this wording we will move on to the next ukraine is another russia that is trying to impose on us and ukraine is an independent, sovereign, self-sufficient state with its own deep, interesting history, which i don’t know, we need to popularize and convey to the masses, and in this way, exactly this confrontation will take place and that gap of distancing from that russian imperial history and the russian view of things when you know maria zakharova, well known yes a representative of the russian foreign ministry says that this initiative to consider renaming russia to muscovy is in fact confirmation that ukraine positions itself as anti-russia. in fact

, this is the russian view of things, but from one side side may not pay attention to what maria zakharova thinks, of course we should not pay attention to what maria zakharova thinks, this is absolutely and 100%, but we also need to remember that ukraine is an independent sovereign state and we should not move in the discussion that russia imposes on us, the only thing i stand for is that we must always remember that ukraine is ukraine and act and proceed from the point of view that is profitable for us today, and therefore in the renaming for the internal usage is still in the international arena russia will remain russia, whether we want it or not. unfortunately or fortunately, i don't know, but we need to think carefully about how appropriate it will be for today and tomorrow from the point of view. for example, the same responsibility, but just the level

of reaction of russian politicians to this petition to what we started to consider her there, and she shows that it worries. well, oleksandra reacted to zakharova, yes, the medvedevs reacted , and we see in them that what the majority of ukrainians perceived as a frank joke yes, and styopa from russia, they react in the real way they were affected by it well, actually, look at this same obvi - in this joke of ours about renaming russia to muscovy , one more question should be dug there, legal and legal. - to others, mention macedonia and north macedonia, why did they have to be renamed because greece declared that it is the greek name of macedonia, and this country, which we now call macedonia or montenegro , is actually uh-uh, i'm sorry, macedonia and it in fact, it cannot use this name, they forced, were forced to change their name under the pressure of the european union, but we are more or less

consonant names. and i mean examples when a country calls itself one thing and it even sounds different . what kind of country is this, they explain to you what it is, and they call it the name that you are free to call it, and of course, these are not examples like the netherlands and holland, it is not about that , but about examples when a country calls itself one and others in the languages ​​of the world, it is known in a completely different way, and these are sometimes completely different examples . different names . they call themselves my rorzok, that is, magyars , magyars. we even know this name among the people in other countries, for sure, i wanted to say another example, even more famous in the world

, this is an example. one example is the baltic er baltic sea and around the name of those countries and the names we call them are very often different names , so in fact russia what is the largest number of laborers among the count peoples is nervous from a legal and legal point of view false because they understand that this may be the end of such a game of banter may turn into a legal arena, of course ukraine will start calling russia moscow, it will go it will go as a trend and they can continue to call themselves russians and the world will start calling them well in different interpretations european media will begin to appear instead of russia, muscovy, it will already be. that is, it is, of course, zero one percent. why are they nervous, and what worries them the most is the question you touched on when we used to live. this phrase only in a different context, we are all soviet people. we are all different uzbeks, ukrainians, moldovans and tatars, but this

is all soviet. the sovereignty of the russian federation was even faster than the act of independence. there ukrainian yes, that is, parallel processes are taking place. russia is now very delicately balancing if russia is the russians, it is a people, it is a separate people, it is like us , and all the grounds and all the possibilities are, in principle , formulated in contrast to and in this a big difference with the concept of a soviet man, then an internal discussion arises if they generalize this name. that is, it is such a consolidating name that we are all russians and muscovites, and then viennese and dagestanis, and so on that's when the second problem arises, then in their case tomorrow well , in the case of collapse, and then who are the russians ? how to divide it, i know what you mentioned

, but you can probably give examples in history , when a war ends with a victory, the bottom of one side is very important, with what battles those who were on the opposite side come out. the first world war ii world war i world war i is a typical example of czechoslovakia or poland, especially czechoslovakia, whose population fought on the side of the central powers during the first world war, through a very skillful , successful, let's say, politics, czechoslovakia ended up in the camp of the victorious countries and they dictated consider your terms the same to austria-hungary, that is, the huge austro-hungary fought 50 million , the hungarians were responsible for australia, that is , for us, for us, well, now this is completely a hypothetical story, because as of today unfortunately, there are no parcels, but if you’re talking about, well, we have dreams. yes, so that our fortune-tellers perish in the sun in our country , we have many dreams, and many of these dreams have become a reality over the past 50 years of ukrainian

dreams, but it turns out that from the point of view overthrowing the prison of the peoples is very important so that not only with the blood of ukrainian soldiers, not only with the blood of ukrainian soldiers of the armed forces and boys and girls of all those who fight, but also that these enslaved peoples also rise up against moscow and let us together force the moscow kremlin to capitalize and then of course it will the question is the question about which one we have just touched on because it is one thing when they wait for ukraine to beat moscow and they will be able to wobble more in russia there for their autonomy in independence and transfer, and it is a completely different thing when they return their weapons against the one who enslaved them when would be tataria and chechnya again, dagestan and a wide siberia, democratic peter and karelia. that is, all the peoples are enslaved by the cossacks until, well, the remnants of the beets, the bortvinians , the bashkirs, the chuvashians, and so on, they returned the weapons

that russia now arms against moscow then, of course, you can ask the question in a different way, because then they can wash away with blood all the crimes they commit in ukraine now, fighting for freedom, as of now, i share your opinion, because if the question is that we ourselves, together with the civilized world, finish off moscow then, of course, reparations for this should be paid and responsibility for this should be borne, and in tyumen you wanted , including from ukraine, we need to be given the opportunity to run away because we will tell the boy where you all ran, let's do something, people , no one has yet demonstrated such a desire to disperse is the biggest event that took place in this field, it was actually a discussion in the european parliament, a whole debate was on the topic of how russia can collapse and so on, there are studies, including ukrainian public organizations, including think tanks, and the vision of the future of ukraine after the victory and forgiveness of the world after a potential ukrainian victory, what is happening now in ukraine, it has a very strong impact on those things

and the world. raises this question very often: are there historical examples in these territories, which are now called russia, of the formation of these independent states, and there are dagestanis , buryats, bashkirs, do they have this seed of independence that they can use in order to rise up and say friends finally, we are not unconditional well, not so long ago the verkhovna rada of ukraine recognized the chechen republic of ichkeria, the best example is this the chechen republic of ichkeria? offered very strong resistance to the federal army of the russian federation, and the peoples of the north caucasus, the people of dagestan, under the leadership of mamashamil

, successfully fought against the russians for several decades , created their own, let's say, peculiar theocratic state, and the memory of the names of shemil is preserved to this day this is despite the fact that he fought against russia and tsarist russia he is a national hero , he is praised in songs and official russian propaganda must put up with it as well there were attempts, well, at least the formation of autonomous governments, the same buryats and in the same mud pit and among the peoples of the volga region, among the karelians e-e, therefore there are foundations on which they can rely even on it, even there were examples of regional separatism among russians , also the siberian movement e-e after the last years of the first world war after the end of the war or the far eastern republic also in the 20s when it existed, i.e. there are even examples of successful

or less successful regional separatism among the russians themselves during the years of the so-called civil war, how many different short-term state proto-state formations were there, and the votkin republic, for example, existed in the urals or some others, that is, if you find such a good historical basis, then you can build these modern political state projects for non-russian peoples or even for remote russian regions distant from selfie discuss and in particular, this is again something to do with names, the russians for the first time stubbornly call it bakhmut, for which they have been trying to fight for six months, but that’s all without any meaning and so far, thank god for the success of a special er, they call it artemivsk, that’s the name, and i remind the audience of the name that was before decommunization, what this city was renamed, it was given back its

historical name. and what do you think they do it for? why do they er, in mariupol, they are renaming the streets, why do they call bakhmut artemivsk, but what do they want to return, for lack of better ideas, they sell this er, already a bit rotten soviet, er, a soviet idea or something wanted, because the current russian the federation is not the russian empire, it is the soviet union, version 2.0. and so far it is in the form of farts. it is only in the form of a farce with some elements that were characteristic of the empire. mainly these are copies of the ussr , starting with the official uniform of the officers and ending there with honorific titles, copies of ulags, smersh and

everything else. tsarist times they are playing with the great paternal great victory and the late stalin, and while continuing to talk about artemivska, they thus do not recognize decommunization , they stubbornly stick to the soviet names, although on the other hand, it would be logical for them, if they talk about the reconstruction of the empire, they should talk about the name bakhmut, because he was bakhmut until the 24th year and then renamed in honor of this artem sergeev. by the way, the leader of the donetsk-kryvyi rih separatists, one of the leaders of the donetsk- kryvyi rih republic, may be incidental here the secret is hidden, he would be as simple as the lpr, his native lpr, the dpr is so far , in my opinion, this is simply not recognizing the ukrainian realities, not recognizing the decommunization processes and stubbornly

clinging to this soviet rhetoric. they will be expected and everything will return somewhere in the state of some 53rd, well, again, this is for use. there well, i don’t know there until 1991. well, it will be oleksandr. what do you think? i think there is another key aspect of us there is the denial of ukrainian. i think that they still adhere to this line. everything that somehow confirms ukrainian identity should be deleted, and this one it is obvious to the little one because it is the name of bahmutu. it has very good historical ukrainian roots. it is connected with trading times and merchant times and the times of slobojan

. it is actually slobojan ukraine. well, or it was the entry into the slobojan ukraine, and look how they are doing this under the name slobojanshchyna or with any ukrainian name in general in other parts of the slobojanshchyna. so, russia consists not only of enslaved peoples, we were talking about enslaved peoples and also of stolen lands in other peoples, there is a huge amount of ukrainian lands that they took from us within the framework of the soviet union, and this is slobozan ukraine, which is divided into two parts : the kharkiv luhansk region, and on the territory of russia, voronich on the kurcha, on the belgorod region down there, i'm all the way to taganrog. yes, there are completely names that are erased. everything related to is erased specifically , that is, they are identical in ukrainian. then you will destroy russia. well, russia, we are all russians. and then. and who is russia? if you look for a russian, you will not find them. well, in the end, the remnants will go to berlin , tel aviv, and migrate. you understand, you know, beijing and

warsaw and therefore it will turn out that well how who not ukrainians or not enslaved tatars, so it will turn out that they left for the caucasus or reached their home, well, in uh, well, if somewhere , where does kateryna bring from germany , or did they come from france, uh, to st. petersburg, that is , in fact, then it will turn out if poke poke poke poke about the fact that this is quite an artificial formation for them to maintain their identity, especially when they are fighting at this moment when we have an intensified ukrainian such well, uh, in general, the wave of returning to one's roots to the entire historical war is very, very big the number of people forced them to self-identify, a large number of ukrainians felt themselves to be ukrainians, because i am observing these changes in the south of ukraine , we had a lot of examples of such problems there, but i am not russian. yes , we are not, we are not from moscow.

well, what kind of nation is this, what kind of people is this, so many people are trying to try, yes, i am from odessa, i am ukrainian , yes, that is, the modern ukrainian nation is being formed , many people are going to the roots, so it is especially important for the russians to steal all these historical where they capture. i think this is a very important point. why do they do that, and how deep, from the point of view of the historical context, do we need to dive in search of our identification, where, where, the limit beyond which it already turns into some kind of a-a well, i don't know, not a game it's becoming a bit too much. well, it seems to me that it's just that we need to study our history and somehow, uh, we can return the names of cities and settlements to infinity . maybe in history . well, why? in fact, it is one thing to get the recognition that moscow stole the name rus. one thing, but another thing, the question will arise, whether we want to take it back, that's the border, the border is important, then

we return to the arrestee's idea of ​​renaming the state to ukraine rus rus has rus-ukraine found such a patriarch was well, i understand what concerns the church - it is a fairly conservative institution, where changes have been taking place for centuries, and then we will come to the arrest officer's idea of ​​renaming our state. it seems to me that there are some basic concepts that do not require renaming to such, for example, as i did, we thought about it step by step, it is one thing to take back from the muscovites what they stole from moscow, it is our historical property, remaining ukraine, ukraine, ukraine, we, again, we can talk about ukraine in russian in certain historical contexts, we can to talk even about today's ukraine as the historical heir of that ancient russia but it seems to me that there is no point in renaming the modern ukrainian state the country of russia , in the end it will introduce a certain confusion

even in some er sphere of international relations and if we talk about changing the name, we still have many names imposed by the soviet authorities that are preserved, the regional center of khmelnytskyi, although it is the historical proskuriv, and in my opinion, there is nothing wrong if proskuriv is returned to its historical name, although it is years of decommunization did not manage to rename the dnipropetrovsk and kirovohrad regions of the constitution what khmelnytskyi pereyaslav-khmelnytskyi is already just pereyaslav and for russia by the way and for russia you can come up with other names to remember the times of russia a-a for kyiv and distant russia then russia was iron and to talk about zalissia in general is another border, this is such a cultural, ideological, i already threw shevchenko into our conversation about taking back what was stolen by muscovites, that is, we have a historically philological ukrainian folk yes muscovites but really, if from the point of view of renaming

, if it comes before that, about the fact that muscovites are muscovites, yes. then there is the question of the names of the people , the name of the state will be officially muscovites , because then you will be like only ms. zakharova , the first part, that is, then this is the limit of this cultural, philological, and the people will then have this name, well, one by one, but legally, this name has left flowers , we have a question as to what to call the muscovite language, and supporters of the preservation of the russian language in ukraine will say that they do not speak the muscovite language, they speak some kind of russian russian language of historical and it can also become a certain basis, you know, there are many different interesting shots. but will it be necessary to re-sing, because even a muscovite was beaten by a muscovite, no , i think that it is better to just beat the football players and not oversing or gentlemen, i apologize for one more topic that we simply owe about

sausage and beer, which is again about why names and symbols are important. because we have a breakthrough in patriotism, some manufacturers of some products began to produce very strange things. let's say that strange things like beer appeared. heroes don't die. how do you feel about this, mr. andriy ? let's start with you speaking of beer heroes don't die, i'm categorically negative. well, i think this is such blasphemy, and if you continue

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