[000:00:00;00] evaluations with these incidents that happened to the american reaper unmanned complex because it is possible to say whether or not it was shot down in such a brazen way and that i was surprised that the reaction of the united states to this incident was so mild, or am i wrong and the americans all - they will launch some counter-actions that they may prevent similar cases in the future, or what they will do about it so that such precedents do not happen again, or it is impossible to be safe from it at all. russia tried to overturn the board of the chessboard in order to get out of this corridor, which russia has already entered, and it is clear that in this corridor, if everything goes as it is, russia will lose the war, well , maybe there is such an attempt

to take the war out of the territory of ukraine , a little desperate it seems to me that the general agreement of both our partners and our enemies is that this war should be ended on the territory of ukraine and not go outside the borders of ukraine . about the reaction of the actual high-ranking officials and about those conversations that were supposed to have taken place on the e , how to call them hot lines, red lines at the military level, this was discussed and the incident was covered up, so maybe the russians did not plan for such an um landing of this drone on the water

maybe they just wanted to harm harm er with er cameras harm sensor er so i think it will come down to the fact that the united states will warn that if it happens again there will be a response and i think it will come down to the fact that under this incident these drones will start to be accompanied by the aviation of the nato countries well, at least to the borders of ukraine to such dangerous zones, and secondly , american ships will probably go into the black sea during this period on that and well, what is the reaction, it’s just not like that, not emotional, so that now we you we beat everyone and the fact that they will be escorted from the syndron, they will continue to fly, but they will be accompanied by nato aircraft, and the warships of the united states will probably descend on the black sea. and which, of course, cannot predict the probability of such black swans that may appear in the format hostilities, but we have seen a story with this, that is, with russian missiles flying

into the territory of romania, romania is actually devaluing there , now there are cases with an unmanned complex, there was another story somewhere in september of last year, when russian fighter jets launched missiles there there was this british reconnaissance plane in the black sea, then the russians explained it as technical problems in their planes , so it’s a black swan, they can really create conditions that are formal nato should get involved in hostilities with the russian federation or on the example of the same reaper - it can be said unequivocally that they , that is, nato, will all look for options to move away from such a scenario. i think they will move away. they gave such a gimbal, but they did not directly

support it. i think a certain solution will be found that will allow solving the problem locally . well, the entire policy of nato is that this war must be ended on the territory of ukraine, and this is one of the general conditions of the international consensus that exists regarding aid to ukraine , so they are helping while this war can be ended with the victory of ukraine, but on the territory of ukraine there is an element here such a bit of hypocrisy towards ukraine, a bit of such cynicism, but well, we still have it, and it's good that we have it. here i am. what do you think the china factor will be then? what did you mention at the beginning of our conversation about the fact that i am there the efforts of the chinese side's peace plan

to offer it to all the participants of this war. now there will be visits by the chinese leadership to the russian federation. it is possible to negotiate with the ukrainian side. in what format is this war beneficial to china ? there is also some kind of middle solution , which it was said was soon to start negotiations between ukraine and russia and actually drag out such a long-term , long-term, smoldering conflict, such will the scenario suit china or does it have a much larger vision than we can now predict? well, of course, the large-scale vision of one is focused on the fact that china will offer a solution to this war , which is more interesting for the world . in fact, for whose sympathies

there is now a struggle between china's measures and this decision . president of ukraine. we cannot say that this is what i can only guess, just as many people are now looking at what is being said in china on this matter. it seems to me that china's proposal is the same as russia's proposal. the situation to such a drastic defeat as to the destruction of the regime in general, but on the other hand, they promise russia that ukraine will not become part of the event, and further they propose to ukraine that territorial integrity will be restored accelerated and without a big loss of resources because they will put pressure on russia, but

in exchange ukraine has to give up becoming a part of the west. i think this is like china, well, such a basic confucian scenario that they are trying to promote will try to promote this i do not believe that they will succeed, but well, we will see. in general, i would say that it is trying to offer diplomatic economic solutions and not military ones, well, that means that with such a strategy, ukraine should not be afraid that china will start providing the russian side with weapons. and the cases that are happening right now are local actions of individual chinese companies. well, i think we should still be wary because china is still trying to play games such

power games and these socialized games. can turn into something real well, you can threaten, for example, there is such a thing in china now, such an element of politics when they say that you supply weapons to ukraine, and then we will supply them to russia and if you don't want it, then stop lending weapons tayvaliv well, these are the games, these are the games that can be played, this is a danger, but on the other hand, because we do not know what will happen if this visit is a sham, if it happens and it happens unsuccessfully for china. maybe they will revise the strategy, then they will provide greater support to russia, but in the basic or basic chinese policy does not show that they want to solve this war, they ended this war with the help of force instruments, on the contrary, they want in

this new world that will appear, they want to differ from the united states in that that china can solve major problems without weapons and without the armed forces , this is their image on this new world stage. oleksiy, you mentioned the fact that we are now at an important stage of preparation for , relatively speaking, the end of the war by the end of the year, in particular , our american european partners, it is possible that there is a stalemate when it is possible to say whether the enemy can withstand our counteroffensive after his counteroffensive, and we actually do not change the front line, the circumstances are always certain and the enemy goes on the defensive and we are simply forced it is already clear to go into such a long war of attrition with a clear definition of the front line, and there putin will wait there until the 24th year for elections in the states and so on, and then

in general the format of the war becomes well, relatively speaking, there is no peace, no war, this is the scenario as far as he possible from the point of view of the available forces and means and the readiness of both sides to conduct hostilities. well, it depends on which film won the oscar. this year, i would say that it is the main thing that before the rains of the europeans there is such a war and they want to avoid it, but for now there is hope that will be a more or less clear, quick solution well, let's hope for it, but if it does happen in such a scenario, as you said, their offensive is our counteroffensive and everything and everything turns into a trench war, but we will feel very, very much around europe and less to a lesser extent, the united states, but also chinese pressure regarding the need to agree on something, just stop

it, just stop it. therefore, we just have to win , oleksiy. thank you for your professional, as always , comments for your time, and i will remind our relatives that oleksiy the hedgehog was on the air on the espresso channels an expert of the national institute of strategic studies, and then we will take up another topic, which actually relates to war, but there is another component - it is actually our defense industry, because we are now counting on the fact that the weapons that ukraine receives are actually western weapons and this allows us in a certain way to ensure parity on the battlefield where it is possible, but there are areas where we have our own defense industry and have our own potential that allows us to scale

the creation of modern models of equipment armed forces, the main thing is about unmanned complexes, because from the point of view of the various sectors where our defense capabilities are, because the zone of unmanned complexes is the widest and here we have many competencies . i will remind you that in 14th year, when the war began, there were at least 40 companies that began to create drones, of which there are five left. now we have a new story when many companies are again trying to start manufacturing drones, but it is necessary to understand that the companies that already manufacture their own drone complexes have the best experience serially, but the creation of new scaling enterprises in the production of free complexes it is connected with a number of problems that need to be solved so that our companies feel really protected, and now we have artem vyunnyk in contact - he is the director

of the research and production company athlon avia mr. artem, i congratulate you. i congratulate serhiy, your company is famous for your military unmanned fury 1 cm complex. by the way, a couple of days ago, we had a conversation with the battalion commander of the artillery intelligence brigade, he highly appreciated your complex and the work of your colleagues from other companies that manufacture serial unmanned systems for the development of fire adjustment and for strike missions, but with you i would like to talk about a slightly different topic about the company's experience in terms of relocating to another place and scaling production, because this challenge is quite serious and very few companies went through this path in order to move from one city to another and establish serial production of samples, what did you manage to do, what problems did you encounter and what

advice would you give to other companies and most importantly it is possible even for the state to support enterprises that solve such, well, state problems , yes, serhiy, really, uh, our company has gone through this difficult path. in march of last year, our production was moved to another place , and of course we first of all faced personnel problems because not all people could leave at that time, many people ended up in the occupation and we were forced to recruit new people, people who, let's say, do not have certain experience of working in such companies, but, let's say, the motivation of people

who joined our company. at the very beginning, it was quite high, and because of this, people really understood what we do and because of the fact that they are many, many many people and a large part of the new employees of our company are actually people not only from the western region, but from regions that were very badly affected by the attacks of the russian army, and therefore their motivation was even twice as great to work for the defense of their country such the boys showed and are still showing great motivation and great interest and efficiency in their work, of course the transfer was connected with certain organizational points, well , that is, the organization of, for example, the secret secret

business tan put before us, but in principle, all these the issues were resolved to a large extent today, our enterprise is working efficiently, it has increased its production capacity several times, continues to fulfill contracts for the ministry of defense, now it is planned concluding a contract also with the drone army, and i very positively evaluate this initiative, i believe that what is being done today, let's put it this way , gives completely different opportunities to companies that only enter this market compared to us of the 14-15 year sample uh, and i hope that not 5 companies will remain out of 50, as it was uh, at the very beginning, and a much larger percentage of companies uh, will get back on their feet and start producing, will understand how to

work with a state customer, will really understand the need for uh- is compliance with certain quality requirements regarding tests regarding the preparation of documentation, i constantly say that without having design documentation, it is hardly possible to hope that the products that will leave the enterprise will really meet the requirements, and you say that you have significantly increased the volume of production of equipment, you have certainly increased and the volume of repairs, it probably required the purchase of additional equipment in order to satisfy these new volumes, at the expense of which funds, so the company moves and buys equipment in order to, well to respond to the new challenges that the war is creating again now, well, only with

its own running funds. in short, in principle , unfortunately, a rather strange situation was observed at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, when realizing that there is a great need for the relocation of the company from kyiv to some safer region to ensure its functioning, let's just say, no state authority refused to provide assistance to our company , simply motivating it by the fact that we are not, as it were , an enterprise of private enterprise a-and in their understanding, this is an enterprise that is part of ukroboronprom, and the fact that our products have been standard means of intelligence for many years, adopted for service, that we fulfill state orders, that at our enterprise at the time of the invasion there was a huge amount of state property, military property, etc. turned out not to be an argument

for to join the revolution, but the company managed this issue with its own funds and we, in principle , were independent as always, and we remain independent in solving these issues and today you said that you have got qualified personnel who are extremely necessary in order to actually manufacture more unmanned systems for the armed forces which are extremely needed in the line of fire and by the way, the combatant of the brigade said that it is necessary more and more complexes, but in order to make them you need actually qualified hands , and there are also qualified heads. i had conversations with several of our companies, in particular , i had a conversation with the ladynamics company there . ms. cher and the head of this company told me that it is actually a paradoxical situation that, in addition to the fact that the storm is needed on

the battlefield, people from the company are now being called up for service to fulfill, well, that is, they become military personnel with with mobilization, although it simply kills the entire direction of creation of strike drones for this company, a similar situation was with other defense companies, where the question of mobilization does not agree with the decisions of the ministry of economy there regarding the reservation of personnel working for certain companies. how do you feel about does this happen, have you had similar stories, and if so, how to get out of it , sergey, well, this is a big, big pain for our company, because i devote at least two hours of my working time almost every day, uh, let's say, while pushing away some issues

related to efforts to mobilize my employees did not result in the resolution of this issue, despite the presence of the new resolution of the 76th, which has already expanded a little and regulated it more specifically , but a huge number of issues remain in regard to this reservation, how does it take place, the resolution, for example, the previous and 76th resolution in force today, it says that the reservation is from the ministry of economy according to the list of people who work in the company approved by the ministry of defense, but for some reason, the territorial assembly centers invented some procedures that are not established by any regulatory act a-a about some

seals of the military commissariats, well, in the old saying , military commissariats at the place of registration of the enterprise about some copies that are needed to provide someone with information about what is needed in - for example, in the tcc at the place of registration of the enterprise, to provide the originals of military tickets, that is, it is completely unclear where such fantasies come from and where those procedures actually come from, because to the question, please show where it is written , no one can answer it let's say one question this issue concerns already booked people , the rule in the 76th resolution that the number of booked persons cannot be

exceed 50% of the number of e-e employees well, how does it look, that is, the ministry of defense asks the question what quantity can you produce ? we plan the maximum possible quantity. and how to fulfill state contracts, and this situation looks even more absurd because , in fact, we understand a huge need, and in fact, the need is many times more than we can cure today on this principle we will continue to work, i.e. we continue to expand the staff, we continue to recruit people to train, and it seems to me that companies like ours make a rather large contribution to the defense capability of the country, why does our legislator put us in such conditions, it is strangely incomprehensible, and it seems to me that we should pay attention to this and to somehow regulate

this issue, this is the second aspect, the third aspect , i will tell you what we face every day in this regard, this is the booking of people who , for example, have an old military specialty specified in the documents or for example, there is no military ticket at all, there is some kind of certificate that was issued by the military commissariat once, and as you know, and even paradoxically, but today, literally today , one of my employees returned and said that the military commissariat would be very surprised when he came with the certificate to replace it with a military one ticket and said that we will issue you, we will issue almost the same certificate now , there are no mandatory tickets, and we cannot book this person because she has no documents, but it is not the fault of the company and not the fault of this person for example, i have a very

highly qualified specialist, one of the best guys in our company, now we have lost contact with artem yunnik, he is the director of the research and production company athlon avia , which is engaged in the production of unmanned a1 cm furi complexes, actually these complexes are standing for the equipment of our artillery brigades of our e-e units in mechanized tank brigades that use these complexes for warming up and adjusting fire and actually he is talking about those problems that concern the enterprise because organizational problems are now sharpening the company's potential from the point of view of the company's ability to expand its production. artem . if you are in touch, we will return the guest to our broadcast and tell you about the fact that

it is actually about aggressive problems that affect and other defense enterprises because, on the one hand, there is the ministry of economy , which determines the list of companies that perform state defense orders, and there is a formal procedure of the ministry of defense that does not agree with this and creates problems for our of defense companies mr. artem, you said that you have a unique employee and that the company's ability to manufacture and develop your complexes depends on his fate . what kind of paradigm has happened in his fate? well , the same situation has happened in the past year. to get the document that should have been issued to him, it was not issued to him, and in the end they said, friend , don't come here, please, when we can give you this certificate or something else, we

will call you, it was already the 15th year. that is, this war was already going on in the country , of course, a person cannot cross thresholds, he has to work. and this is the situation today, this person does not have a military ticket and we cannot book him, and when he came to get a military ticket, and he was almost in fact, he was served with a summons and offered to go and serve in the ranks of the armed forces. this is definitely a worthy occupation. and actually, thanks to those guys who are fighting, we have the opportunity to continue to produce our products and develop the company, but i think it is necessary to understand that there are situations that require this is, let's say, a hackneyed approach. you can't do that to take away people from enterprises that produce much-needed equipment for the armed forces of ukraine, and i will say that we don't

see a way to solve this issue, for example, with these guys today, and then what kind of to be a real way to solve this problem, we have to gather there representatives of the ministry of defense , the procurement centers of the ministry of economy, work out some new recommendations, which would, relatively speaking , create normal ways of solving this problem, because the war will continue for a long time and i i am sure that such challenges will continue to exist and the commenting center will, in principle , issue subpoenas to people who carry out a state defense order, so i think that we need to look for some kind of solution to this problem of this problem and what they might be . i think that the decision consists of two parts: first, to adopt the correct law, for example, in this case , the decree of the cabinet of ministers, or, secondly , the assembly center, to comply with this law, and not to invent any procedures that do not exist

does not exist because it will create a huge number of uh legal problems and uh both for the armed forces and for people who work and it seems to me that it is not a fundamental question whether a person has a military id if he is an engineer of a company that has government contracts that will work on the defense capability of the country and let's say the products of this company are needed by the armed forces, so these people should be armored regardless of military presence or some kind of paper or certificate or some kind of certificate or something else and i think that the assembly center we have to prove it uh

well, according to the procedure established by law, it is necessary to understand that these companies have obligations to the state to fulfill them, to remove this strange 50%. at the moment, it is necessary to clarify that the decree says that these percentages can be increased. thank you for your inclusion. i think that we will definitely return to this topic. because it worries a number of defense companies, i think that we will devote several programs to these nuances that affect our defense capability, and i will remind our viewers that artem vyunyk was the director of the channel of the research and production company athlon avia. so, the main results of the field are that we have the help of foreign partners, which allows us to be strong on the battlefield, and we have our own defense companies, which should be the basis for the development of our defense-industrial complex, the creation of new models, despite what kind of help our partners will provide us with. therefore, we must remember that we have the necessary