[000:00:00;00] won't israel and israel wait, as he has said 100 times so far, that we should wait until they do everything and throw it on our heads , we won't, we can dismantle all these eh decoration eh factories that make various weapons there in including nuclear well, let's put it this way, let's not tear this thing up, time, this provision has been talking about it since the 12th year , that's actually everything, that's all, this whole story stretches back to the 12th year, and he constantly repeats both about missiles and about nuclear weapons and are trying to form an anti-ran coalition it doesn't work very well with him, or even under obama and under trump and pribaideni, that is, there are still problems with the israelis presenting their position, and i think that

as of now there are more problems, well, from the point of view of internal processes and now, for example, the same tanyak is visiting europe, meetings with a european to form this coalition do not yet look so optimistic for the israeli prime minister, but in general, this topic is undoubtedly under great control and control from united states and i i think the maximum that the americans can say now is that everyone is on the table, all the options are yes, as blinken and lloyd said. and tell mr. igor if we are talking about israeli politics. so why is it your opinion? israel changed the principle, corrected it its relation to the war and is currently issuing a license for the transfer of quite important types of weapons to ukraine, which in principle, if they were earlier , would have helped us a lot in this system of early warning about hello drones, and there was also a rather

important system related to e-e protection uh, the territory from drone attacks, i will say yes, well, this is the situation . well, let’s say for now. until i saw these weapons in ukraine , it remains only, well, such good promises, but it is quite possible that we will see it, and if it happens, then we can really say that israel is slowly beginning to slip away from the fence on which it is sitting, perhaps it is connected with russia's decision to hand over these planes early and to hand over the air defense system early , perhaps it is connected with the formation of such a military-political alliance between russia and

iran, but it was all in syria and coming out of it's just, well, it's hard to imagine that this situation has radically changed for the israelis. moreover, they claim that these planes don't bother them very much and they can give them advice. i think it's possible, this is one of those strategies of providing because in order to appease of the americans, because in the end, without some kind of demonstration of loyalty to ukraine , it will be extremely difficult for the israelis to get further actions, which spoke of support for israel, let 's thank ihor semegolovets, director of the center for middle eastern studies. i apologize that we they also talked about far-reaching research, but you can't do anything already. east is a patch, east is right, let's start. k1 i don't know

if you have it or not, so don't steal it. i have a desire to answer the third question . let's start answering this, because we will both be really interested, a paratrooper officer with the call sign "kupola" lost his position as a battalion commander after a high-profile interview with the washington post about the problems of the military, in particular, and about poor training and equipment. should our military officers talk about the problems of the army during the war and does the government have the right to remove a commander with experience who is now worth his weight in gold to zoryan because of this? vitaliy wrote this to us with herself. well, by the way, this is a famous person. i am anatoliy kozel, uh, colonel, commander of an airborne battalion, a national hero of ukraine , what about me?

somehow it stopped uh and put a little bit in counter, not in prof. counter, if he really is the commander of the airborne assault battalions or the battalions are cheap, well-known, and if he says that there is no training there, there is something missing, there are some problems, then i will tell you frankly, i am not into it i strongly believe that precisely because the dshb is so elite, it has always been in the soviet union and in the post-soviet union, it has always been such quite elite military that it is easy to imagine. when i served three months after university in the army, there were these cheapskates standing next to us, and i just remember i know that it was an elite, it is obvious that they were prepared very seriously and meticulously, and they really knew how to fight. well, how was it then in the soviet union, so here in the memorial , there are vague doubts about the fact that everything is so bad from

the other side, i would say so that the military as as a rule, they are strongly separated from the state, if we are talking about democratic , civilized countries, they are strongly, strongly separated, moreover, when i read that there was such a minister of defense back in the 80s or at the beginning, one zabuwadergera , and he said that he saw his task as persuading the military in america to go to they are not forbidden to go to the polls, but the american military themselves say we do not want to influence politics we do not want to influence politics so much that we do not go to vote and this was the norm for democracy, that we are military, we have our own way, our own line of behavior, and here

we have a civilian one, so we don't want to influence we don't want civilians to feel our on our breath, and so it is a very simple story , when was the soviet union, the difference between e- in west and east germany, among other things. i am not talking about the store, but i was on the street , as she told me that in west germany, they told me that in west germany you will not see a military man on the street, but in east germany , you will see them, they tried to sneak them there is no and that's why, even more so during the war i don't know without a doubt democracy is very good i'm not convinced that democracy during war is very good i'm not convinced i don't know although uh on the other hand if we don't criticize

the military and point out the shortcomings it's also wrong, and i can't imagine this passage between force and charybdis. i just don't know how to do it. i'm not a military person, but i say that on the one hand there should be discipline. and really , if he didn't consult with someone from the mountain there, and according to the law mayakonsu but also if we let's not criticize the army, don't point out the shortcomings, don't talk about the fact that there are eggs, as it recently became known that they are twice as expensive as twice as much and so on, they are also wrong, they are not god's holy soldiers and and and that is why it is necessary and so and so and so and so and so and so yes, i just don't know, vitaly. if you have something to say, i think that such interviews, when they appear , are even more so. in the columns of serious international publications, these are to some extent promotions, which means that a person does not find the support of his own

command because if she finds the support of her own team and she usually does not give interviews to american journalists, this is the second time the standards of american journalists look in such a way that in order to publish such statements , they need to be verified by other sources , because otherwise no one will allow any american journalist our falter washington post it is printed, so when some of our high-ranking officials or journalists say that they are simply lying, they do not understand why they did not publish these because they have understand that these statements are confirmed by other statements of a higher level, but anonymous , or by documents that also appeared in the possession of this

american publication otherwise. of the armed forces of the united states knows about these problems, but does not want to turn the conversation into a political plane, this is a different type of signal , because if the americans wanted to turn this conversation into a political plane, then about this general mill should talk to the general of independence, talk about it for some reasons of his own, also because your offensive - it's your business, it's our business to give you weapons, it's our business to conduct an offensive, but there is a problem, what are you risking, what was this military dome talking about? that's right, yes, either there will be a bloody meat grinder and corpses or there will be a professional contrast, all of us, mykola and i, and the american military command and the dome are interested in it being a professional contrast, that is

, in principle, we understand what can be and unsuccessful contrasts yes, this is a war, it is long. it can go on for years, there will be successful contrasts, further contrasts, to which you have to adapt to everything and live in it, just like in ordinary normal life, when there is a war , but you must understand that such things will also happen, that conflicts will always occur among the military more will happen, the more there is an understanding that we are living with you in the last long, endless war of attrition, the more it can be such conflicts, we just need to regulate emotions and the military, we need to regulate emotions to regulate statements to regulate the desire to consider leadership infallible because a state that considers any political or military leadership to be infallible sooner or later disappears from the political map of the world , no matter how big it was . without misguided leadership, the soviet

union didn't even need a war, just proper ones now but wait wait but on the other hand, you can't look for a black cat in a black room either, especially when it's not there we are talking about something else now, but the military command could have taken a different approach to this, it could have transferred the verification of the officer’s words themselves, and not the verification of his right , and speaking, it could have reprimanded the gods and not transferred them to another position, this is also a question of which disciplinary da- yes, yes, actions, actions, yes, now we have not just a, uh, a complicated situation. we have a situation when one after another the military comes out in support of this person, which means that it turns out that no one is afraid. why is he not afraid? and i will say

why don't you be afraid because we don't have such a special reserve, of course you can all be fired, but there is always a question of who to appoint ukrainian armed forces i apologize to the ukrainian government where you can replace one unknown person with another unknown person and no one will notice that something happened forces - this is not the office of the president, where you can replace one random person with another random person and no one will even know that the previous random person worked in the office, it is simply necessary to understand that from the fact that the cards are being shuffled in the ukrainian political leadership, especially after 2019, nothing depends on how the personnel of the ukrainian armed forces changes. the existence of the ukrainian state on the political map of the world depends on the existence of the ukrainian state on the political map of the world. politicians can do any serious thing. stay in kyiv as the president, make beautiful speeches in the parliament. we we are proud of all this , but we must understand that if the ukrainian armed forces had not surrendered, they would not have been able to protect kyiv, there would have been no president

of the government, no elections, and that's all. just understand what the country's priorities are and what really matters and what doesn't matter, even if you are told otherwise on the telethon. well, there are just such places. that's why we need all of us, together with the supreme leader , the commander of the armed forces of ukraine, who fortunately has the unprecedented support of the ukrainian people. this the important thing is to think about how you can build a balance and the second thing i will add is not only that we have a shortage of really super cool officers, but also that i have the impression that they support him because they see it in themselves elements of troubles and probably can prove them, they say ana, come to me, i’ll show you, it’s not just like that, what they say, we are for him, they know, they see some troubles around them, it’s scissors , prove it, it’s a living machine, it’s good, oh, it turns out such scoundrels

we all love yes we thought that they listen it's a living organism it can have great successes it can have flaws it's normal our task is to correct mistakes and again how right was it to give an interview to the washington post i would not give mykola here i always when i have a conflict of interests you get from the comments but but i can't judge the person who is on the front line i don't think i have something very important i would on the contrary and i would give because i apologize for the profession intrusiveness a professional journalist and i roughly imagine where the pain points are, what to talk about, what not to talk about, how to get between the drops. and when a person sits at the front, fighting from morning to night, and has no experience in giving interviews, and we do not know

what the atmosphere was like around him, whether he came out after the battle, did he lose a person, maybe a familiar friend, this is a responsible interview, also because the person did not speak anonymously, she agreed in the third moment. a lot of people think about this. our foreigners still don't know, i'll give you this. by the way, people don't understand now that we live in a glass house is very interesting faster than washington or do they print that's why he got out of it, it's unknown what was inside he spoke now something happened there something wrong it might even be some kind of story something they didn't deliver weapons or food can she tell me something from the other side ? in fact , there is no normal mechanism for military censorship. we have no idea of ​​a mechanism for coordinating all these things. how do journalists communicate with the military? how do they get

information ? what can be printed? the incident then happened, journalists got the right to learn about it and write about it. then there was a moratorium on publication, then a time was set when it was possible to publish the prime minister, he is a mini tractor of some kind they said he specifically postponed his visit to rome in order to be in the country at the time of publication at the time of the lifting of the ban on publication , this is how real military censorship works. offices eh, we will consider him satisfied with the fact that he is alone and with the fact that there is a huge amount of media , he does not have any of this strange marathon, but when it comes to military things

, there are clear rules. other journalists, neither foreign nor can write certain things before the permission of the military censorship, if it were like that there would be nothing , but for this it is necessary to teach the censors first, then the censors have to teach the journalists exactly step by step, in fact, civilized civilized countries are very simple, a journalist has the right to do anything this is a matter of the military why they allowed this journalist to this military, my goal is to inform society and i will do it , that is, only my conscience can stop me , can stop me, but on the other hand, believe me it is written to me everywhere in the instructions of journalists that i should learn to look in secret places, because in secret places

there are violations in prisons in soviet, in the army, in hospitals or orphanages. information, why are you doing women's work? it's a conflict. by the way, between the press and the government. i very often remember how i always had conflicts when i was engaged in reporter work. why are you looking at my desk? there are documents and damn it. i came to see what you want to hide, if you can't hide it, i just have to find out, i don't really care what will happen to you after this, what will happen to your secretary after this experiment, go no further, yes, but keep in mind, it's our job to climb be obnoxious with your nose. in any case , during the war, the state creates an institute of war-war restrictions. we need this restriction

. i need yours. like that the possibility of such accreditation and for it to be democratic. it is very difficult. it is necessary to study it. it is necessary for the authorities to go to england and study how it was during the second world war in england, as we have been since the second world war in america, in canada, in australia, in israel during any -what incident will i tell you because here you find this fact here some saboteur broke through and i say again this does not mean that journalists are not allowed to him i say journalists are allowed everywhere in this focus the moment of publication is agreed upon hour in israel they don't even allow the last name of a person who died in a terrorist attack to be published at that moment, that is, it can be published when it does not threaten national security, the media and the state cooperate precisely in this, of course, journalists

want to know everything, they find out before the military, but this is where it starts to work the rules are just that no one wants and does not want this rule. it is much easier to control the media as such. because there is a political motivation here, not a security motivation , as long as the authorities have a political motivation with the privatization of security, we will jump into such a mess. how long have we been answering this question? it is possible that zoryan's question is the international criminal court of gas . this means further well, but keep in mind that ukrainians, ukrainians , did not sign the rome statute either, just as the americans did not sign the rome statute , ukrainian students do not mean that vladimir putin can come to ukraine on official business this means that all countries that did not even sign

have the right to arrest, i specially found out that even if she did not sign, they must have the right , they have the right. will be under the command of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. they are also planning to prohibit military personnel from running for parliament and engaging in political activities. such changes are being prepared for the second reading of the law, which was in the first reading a year ago. it seems to me that they have already removed this i don't know the law under review, but again, olga, i can only say that i was just talking about this, it is a very debatable topic and i was just giving an example that americans have not gone to vote for ten years, and they have, yes, yes, i am talking about this and i say that the us ministry of defense said that you you have to go, you decide, go vote for the president, go to sleep, we won’t go , because we don’t want to be suspected, we

interfere in politics. cannot but have the right to vote without running for office, but i am absolutely sure that if a person wants to engage in political activity , he must of course resign from the armed forces of the security service, for me, by the way, these are absolutely obvious things and i do not see anything like this, i have seen many cases in the democratic world, when successful soldiers took off their uniforms, but the truth is, they became political species, but you should not think that all the conditions are said by the israeli generals who headed the israeli government, that they were generals in that's why the focus is that they were dismissed from the armed forces, the entire political career of a military man begins after his resignation and in no case does it seem to start when a military man is on temporary leave. here is a person who is dismissed, even vladimir putin resigned from the fsb and after that he is engaged in

political activities there is also a military man who is engaged in political activities and remains an acting general, this is usually a dictator, this does not happen in a democratic country, but in democratic countries , civilian ministers of defense civilian ministers can a general be the minister of defense, of course he can here, he just has to resign from the united states army , that's how you ask. who was it in president trump , was he a general? yes, something like that. yes, he is a military general, but he is a civilian. us as the minister of defense, but he resigned from the security service of ukraine, he was an army general , a whole army general, that is , no one can prevent a military man from engaging in politics, but not at the same time in the service, because if you are engaged in politics, you are engaged in it at the same time as a service. it means that people with weapons are subservient to him. well, what kind of politician are you then? well, it’s still written here, because in the army now, ukrainians trust the army more, if not the most. does it

mean nothing? they fight well, or they will be good politicians, and i am already afraid of the end of the war . given the fact that a huge number of people who are real authorities we have a great president of war and i, for example, do not know whether he will be a great president of the world or a post of war and so on and so on a military man wants to pursue a political career, he will leave now is absolutely the norm and the question is whether he will retain trust when he is a civilian, yes, the next question is 4 more minutes, we have a lot of beauty, very interesting . it seems to me that the international commission of investigation into the events in ukraine is independent the leadership of the un did not collect evidence of the genocide of ukrainians during the full-scale war with russia, why does the commission not see genocide in the deliberate murders of arthur and the deportation of children

? you can comment, i can and i about it spoke at this table and at other tables with them and very often said that genocide is extremely difficult to prove, you have to single out a certain group, national, social, such a color , that is the color that the repression of religion was aimed at, there is a lot, a lot, and i always said it, listen to prove it an aggressive war can be proven like this, how did we start today's program in theft, in the theft of children, because he himself said so, cameras and genocide . as soon as we in buch find out that this is not a ukrainian according to the passport, or somehow a pole, a jew russians russians say it's not genocide and this is a teacher, we're just teachers no, it's not genocide because the teacher and these and these and the tsits killed

the inhabitants of this territory once uh-uh absolutely not legal passport genocide that is, you have a passport of ukraine regardless of who you are what where are you, how are you, what are you, so we will kill you, okay? tell me, please, i have such a question, cambodia is recognized as a genocide there by the potota regime, but it would be directed against everyone, against everyone. well, first of all, against intelligentsia and then already against everyone, yes, but it is very difficult. listen, here is a tsip-hotu, please. there is a sign of this. and in cambodia , they themselves are kombeks . three dozen, yes, three dozen or a thousand communists who decided that all non-communists should be killed. well , that's good. that's why it's difficult, don't you understand

politicians? they can say genocide, and biden used the word genocide somewhere, but the lawyers of the highest e-e it is very difficult for the judicial authorities to find the correct definition of what they know about it, energy attacks are a crime against humanity according to their volume and history, when we started talking about the holodomor and genocide, we did it for a long time and persistently, and here we have to prove any thank you friends, we will say thank you to everyone vitaly portnikov mykola veresen see you in a week thank you everyone to the court maybe by then and not only putin will be jailed but also who not putin

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