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uah. call. greetings. dear viewers , on the air of the espresso tv channel, the studio program , the event, we will analyze the most important events , in particular, what concerns both military and diplomatic negotiating components, our guests today are andriy piontkovsky , a political scientist who is in washington, and mark wolter, a military expert and former adviser of the commander of the ground forces of the united states on the european continent and now mark voyager, ex-advisor to the former commander of the ground forces of the united states on the european continent, current professor at the american university in kyiv, will be working on our broadcast . happened russian aviation shot down an american
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drone in the black sea as far as i understand this story is much more serious than they are trying to interpret it because we are talking about aggression in international airspace, this is a severe violation of international law, or this american drone was in demarcated water areas . as you know, in this way, russia is trying to show that it has such quasi-sovereignty, as i would say, and in the black sea, what is for russia from from the point of view of russia and russian strategic interests, the black sea is an internal lake and all countries that do not exist in the black sea region, which is america , for example, or other consequences of the country, and they are for
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russia, well, from the point of view of the russian the propaganda of an external power and er russia is trying to help show that it is their er indicates the phases of the legal territory of course it is propaganda it is right-wing and these are the methods that the investigators used after the illegal unification of the annexation of crimea in this way i think it also shows a lot who is very worried about the next next account in france counterattack of ukrainian villages, especially in the direction of crimea, you know the drone was somewhere with as far as i know 120 km under the wheel and therefore it logically assumes that the intelligence also velasa in the direction of crimea and such dark
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ones who can then look with your from your intelligence with your with your military leadership therefore and for russia and it is very important to limit e-e access less you these data limit access e-e western american and western writers so communities and to check or to check the quality of the intelligence information before the offensive of ukraine, which everyone expects in the next months. i think the reaction is still so balanced on the part of america's policy statement that this could be an incident if it is so to me we reminds me of the incident in poland. i see that in the information space nato and the usa do not want an information
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war to unfold there directly and for the temperature to rise so much, but i think that there will be consequences and the excellent military leadership will take measures. there was a conversation between austin and shoigu . also a serious signal, because it’s been a long time since there have been such conversations, so look at how many of these incidents always have such potential uh-uh potential opportunities from the point of view of american analytics a-ah um-m lead to escalation is why and always the track is such a uh, it’s real such a kinetic assembly, it’s real, and that’s why it’s logical that the military leaders of the two countries are trying not to form, to fix and explain what happened. i think that the russians will retreat from their opinion and their
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propaganda thesis that this could uh, the seconds are not to blame. well, as always, they blame the uh side with their hands, and that's why i wouldn't expect such an informational breakthrough. and maybe turkey will be able to provide america with uh, it is possible to introduce its boats. but maybe the story of the downed drone is somehow woven into the calling card of russia, we understand that russia will now try to demonstrate as much as possible its strength , aggressiveness and readiness to compete, in particular with the united states, whether we like it or not , but there is a feeling that the world is turning into a bipolar system, in particular, it is not the confrontation with russia, yes, it is about the formation of such a larger, wider
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political, perhaps not formalized union, where the flagship is not moscow, but beijing, when they said that it is really being formed now, or to see a new the new international system - the new global order, and indeed it can be bipolar again, but moscow is no longer there. well, it is completely from the soviet union, and therefore china knows very well, uh, these facts. moscow for china is a match , brother, let's say so from beijing's point of view, a junior partner junior partner, we say yes, yes, that's why it's so logical that he wants to assert his position and show both putin and the united states that he is one of, well, two players in the new world
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of the framework. yes, but the problem is that you know, chinese politics has also changed for 45 years, there has been an axiom in the western world, in western analytics, in western politics, that china is a leader only, well, in general , commercial logic, that china is interested in stable trade with america and others. therefore , no one thought that china was...
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behave aggressively, but we already have other leaders of china. ideological uh-uh what is this ideological brizos between russia and china to she still appeared, even more appeared before and we can expect that china will simply be, well, on the one hand, i said to show the city against him, on the other hand, to play this so -and-so, said the two-year role of peacemaker that he, well, you know, china offered its peace plans which de facto can actually freeze the conflict but in no way or in any way can it not be resolved and therefore china simply continues will be and will be an even more important factor especially well not only in relation to ukraine but also
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the china sea we will take the chinese language me it seems that the biden administration still considered china as a more er, we predict a more er responsible power also in the strategic plan . it is really a rival of er russia . the majority is a serious country, and that is why we will see everything, for sure, and attempts to talk between the american administration and the leadership , after the conversation and the face-to-face meetings with putin , all the bells and whistles seem to be planning a virtual conversation with president zelensky, so i wanted i would like to ask your vision of what china's real
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undeclared plan might entail and, accordingly, let's try to predict what the president of ukraine and the chinese leader can talk about. i can find out that from the side of ukraine, uh, your leadership, president zelenskyi can try to convince china that this is really a war not in the interests of china what , for example, is the huge erghost e-e financially well commercial strategic strategic initiative of china the belt and road, for example, you know there are connections through e-e eurasia russia of course, central asia, also belarus, ukraine, in my opinion, it was logical that china wanted him to stop us. yes, i would say that zelensky will definitely try to do so , he will do such a name for a rational
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study of a rational national strategy and will also be trying to find out if everyone really intends to help stop the war, but i also see such a structural problem here that no one in ukraine, no one in the western world, a serious politician can agree on the fact that the war has stopped and russia received this territory, which it occupies illegally, so it is difficult to see it here, how even if everyone can convince putin to leave these territories, i will have a conversation with moscow at least about ammunition, financial instruments, and other ways and methods that
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are being used can help russia, and probably everyone will be offered some kind of stopped fire, some kind of scouting, or open or secret points of their plan, to be honest, i don’t think that it will be a success in order to have them all, and then too ideologically loved ones and a call so everyone does not want a global war for this system to collapse yes but such a hybrid such a frozen conflict where the west and america are constantly distracted well away from china at a distance and i think it is in the interests of his well strategic vision for the new bureau of order recently happened several very of information attacks that are important to me
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, in particular, russia began to blame this event, began to blame some ukrainian-russian underwater terrorists invented by it, i don't know, and so on and so on, in undermining the nord stream and nord stream-2 and as far as i understand, taking into account the fact that the event itself happened long before the current information attack , russia is now preparing to use this information plan, this information atmosphere for something, it is very logical, logical from the point of view of russian hybrids of war , information was the main component of the so-called doctrine gerasimukha, we know the commander now, gerasim is on the battlefield, er, almost a responsible failure, and there will be no serious successes, and it is logical that er,
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russian, russian-led, and the kremlin drones are trying to expand the conflict to a hybrid plan. as he told moldova to calculate the situation now, accusations of destruction to the north in well, logically, this company offers a stream aimed at discrediting ukraine in, especially in germany, to show that ukrainians are said to be ethnic or destroyed, and this big project is therefore also in the hands of the germans it was muscular , well, europe and in general the muscular crisis takes three and others to begin with, that is, here the informational component is very related, for example, to political pressure, and i always say this unfortunately, the war is being waged in a compensatory plan. but in the global european and global a-a space, it is a hybrid. thank you, that is, one of the elements
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is conventional, but other informational ones, how to calculate the situation as a political one, and there will probably be such provocations, it was still and i read also, while cyber and the new ones are being carried out, they will be built, so we can expect that you are the author of the hybrid doctrine . well, together with his team . there will be no negotiations in russia, victory will be difficult, and they will expand conflicts with hybrid methods , that is, it is about the threat of the so-called underwater communication between the old and the new world, in particular, it is about trans-atlantic and pacific cables, yes well, maybe that's why russia long ago, well, russian football shuttle long ago er, i think in the forest
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. previously, the dovinas always er, tried so , it was, as i wanted to say, like a training session, but politicians moments were such er, politicians reports , what is russian concrete, and why are they apparatuses? that's why we are international communication, transport technical communication, this is the backbone of the real international international economy and politics, and that's why it was forever in times of increased confrontation that russia also tried to damage such drops, of course there are already things going on well, there is a number of parts no, it’s not just there, it’s already necessary . an underwater well, a deep-sea device is a few kilometers away in the baltic sea, a lot of things there were about 50 m, but just 130 m in the atlantic ocean, uh,
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a few kilometers ago, and in those illogical plans - it's much more complicated, but as poli said earlier and it's possible, i'm sure, that cutting her transplant communications is part of some kind of plan is a military plan of time, potential compensation plans, a strange understanding between the saudis and the iranians, yes, in fact, this is not a story about diplomacy, a story about a certain revolution in the middle east. what are the possible consequences of this understanding, well, this is the video again , it goes in this direction to indicate a huge success, well , at least in the information space, we will see if it will be real. this is one thing i signed uh, it's somehow a condition, other things are that iran supports many organizations and
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villages in the middle east, which are the enemies of saudi arabia , scientists, uh, insurgencies in yemen, of course, organizations, everyone still follows whom in the biggest salt, and there are structural problems that only one condition does not can solve but really the problems because for many years america i would not say that it is absent but america had other priorities and is attacking the china sea, of course nato, of course ukraine , russia and there are many policies, politics of analytics , even as they said that mary america it is necessary to be so far from the middle east that there are similar problems and other, and therefore even more middle eastern countries see this and for
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them iran is iran is an existential threat international politicians have such a principle that when their hegemon is absent, that is, the former region of america, so well the fifth american fleet is still bach heine's, but all the senses are such that, well, america, for example, saudi arabia , arabia has a mother. and you know the problems there , journalism shows and other problems, and that's why there are no colleagues, uh, small countries and what new new well, i say yes or new great power , but before i thought that it would be russia, ah, russia raised a dialogue with all the countries i am in the middle east, now russia , the military, really sees that and it is logical that the other great power is china, which is perceived as more voted and also china, it is not necessary
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than a veteran to change - change your policy to be democratic and here there is no such pressure that exists on the part of the democratic west or america to reform from and other such internal changes and therefore for the country it seems now that china is very convenient, that is, to accept that china is china at a distance of so many thousands of kilometers, it is not a direct threat, but it has such rich influence and it is a victory. unfortunately for china, that ’s why and all we will also come to moscow out of some kind of sense of self to solve one by one of the main global
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problems, i am taking the stairs to the biggest one, is it possible to try to solve it? well, one more problem is the most difficult problems of russia. about diplomacy or something are there peace plans, are they real or realistic? is this also a question of resources, in particular, of military resources that china may or may not provide to russia? well, and accordingly , how long the russian aggression against ukraine will last will largely depend on it. china itself will not fight. no, but why didn't the chinese army, with the support of russia, fight with er 70 in 1979 and they fought with a bullet against dynamo, then the united er won so won so that
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's why i smelled what specific er steps in this regard, but also very important , and the moment , e-munitions, the russian army is already using the state's old ammunition and weapons. e oil gas well, in the end, india also uses this moment a lot and it can be the most important moment of support and electronic component in bypassing western sanctions and distracting the west and especially america on the battlefield in ukraine to freeze conflicts or
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make it so long, it was in the interests of china while china is preparing . well, it is possible to join taiwan in the future, several years in the future. voidler, ex-advisor to the former commander of the united states ground forces on the european continent, professor at the american university in kyiv, thank you and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes now in andriy piontkovskyi, a political scientist who is in washington, will be on the air of espresso tv channel. glory to ukraine, andrii andriyovich, i congratulate you. good evening. the story of how two russian fighter jets shot down an american drone in the black sea is not only about the military provocation of russia, it is also about the launch of a fundamentally new additional case
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called possible intensification of the discussion regarding the supply of aircraft to us well, you are right, any military provocation from russia strengthens the positions of all our friends in the west and first of all, the day on the states in the discussion of the presentation of modern offensive weapons to ukraine well , we saw a certain limitation, the request imposes on us . a rather strange restriction how not to use its planes , the only ones of which, uh, rockets of ukrainian cities rise from the russian
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ones, how does the west send them there? less, he determined dry conditions in relation to ukraine, he wants, he, um, he does everything for the fact that the calendar in pobedy, but all the time they add one ear of corn, we are against excavating, we are against the direct involvement of the nato military in the russian federation, by the way, this one appeared during the last institute , the americans did very a strict statement, please refer to me for the admissibility of the students' games, but they do not work now as an attack on the americans. how, with such a demanding reaction, the fifth article has been established, and they want the immediacy of the agreement. well, this is a small story, the story is too small, but on the other hand, we remember that this was preceded, in particular, it is about the flight
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of a powerful aircraft 200 km from leningrad to the line of st. petersburg, well, yes, this is necessary to react to putin's blackmail , including the attitude of a single cheer here it is necessary to give due to the americans , at the time, back in october, they predicted to their partners that the case of putin's use of tactical nuclear weapons against ukraine would follow , and it was not explained that this would be the complete destruction of the russian group on the territory of ukraine, krym, that putin will be killed personally. well, in order to warn about this, they have similar flights and gestures and demonstrations of the readiness of their nuclear, all the time , the withdrawal is being held by a convention. will he simply give him frank geopolitical and economic instructions of course it
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will be wrapped in various diplomatic tinsel of a propaganda plan and so on and so on but history is not a trivial visit banal all ringing during a full-scale russian invasion of ukraine will visit putin you know i will start a little with the second from the prospects of communicating with the president of ukraine zelenskiy i think you are too grown - up negotiations with the chinese leader, and it seems to me that there is no difference. no, let's say with a visit . remember on june 16 of the first year in kiev, three european leaders. yes, one macronoy and something else, they brought clearly unpleasant and to
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let's call ukraine the peaceful bad of italy, we press on the fact that these will bring pleasant things to the apple trees or ukraine over the peaceful influence from moscow, and we need to weave ourselves with such asses as president zelensky, the entire administration was brought there last year, politely, very politely, but very firmly, defectors and among others, for the chinese always a competent meaning has procedural questions and it seems to me that it is not by chance that the format that he wants to impose on us is the chinese emperor, he means he is coming to his russian vasau with some serious tasks, we will sleep a little now and then we will meet somehow on the phone or on skype or as you and i will stop there by zoom and discuss something with the zelenskii . how is this not a pleasant format and i have already accepted it, it will be such a psychological step . i really like the common chinese

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