[000:00:00;00] it is not necessary without pain to follow your approach to the european union, you have a classical community , we must be, we must become a more attractive, more attractive, more european european country in general, our task is not actually the return of the territory, but rather the integration of our fellow citizens into the georgian statehood, who today live on occupied territories and their reintegration into the fabric of georgian statehood will be best on the way to our european european integration because we have to show that their prospects are also in europe together with georgia, because in europe without georgia

. say he set a resurrection sign in this issue and of course a very serious serious influence on all this will have a wider geopolitical context that is connected with the heroic struggle of the ukrainian people for their own independence, the freedom of which is actually the struggle for independence, this is the freedom of all this space from which we came. and what will this space be like, and how will we live here, and where will we be ? well-being and prospects for development depends on the well-being and prospects of development, including the well-being of

the people who live today in abkhazia and in the scanval region, which is called south ossetia, therefore, on the one hand, it is we who are more attractive and civilized, of course , we must engage in a correct, clear positioning, georgia should be on the right side of history together with our strategic partners. and this is, first of all , the united states, the european union, nato and ukraine . mr. valery chechelashvili , a georgian diplomat, politician, economist, the first ambassador of georgia to ukraine, was with us. now we will have a small story about a family from the kherson region. destroyed by the russians and then they started looking for a new life and how it happened this story from the correspondents of espresso tv, please ruslan romanovych lived in the occupation for about two months , the man says when the russians entered his village of potemkine they immediately started running around the houses and looking for nazis, the man had been checking the phones

for a long time on the cart , it caused the occupiers to suspect that he was participating in the anti-terrorist operation . i learned, i got lucky, one more. then he loaded this machine. well, in short, he prepared it and fired. and i come in alone . i don’t know where he came from. maybe where he stood , i didn’t see. he comes in and says we’re taking a disabled card from almost 2010. it’s a group like that, put it. he says calm down, of course, i had a great night at the premiere. well, what did he shoot next to me ? you say that ruslan's wife, olga, was lucky . the occupation found her in another village, visokopilya . the woman came there to help her eldest daughter and

her grandson. because the occupiers threatened to shoot cars, they shot cars , and sometimes they just drove up to the checkpoint, threw people out, took away men's licenses, and if there is a man in the car , they take the rest, get out, go home, that's all they say to women with children, you go and don't pay, don't look if you come back, look, we will shoot him, people just disappeared on the street, the bodies of some were found already after the liberation of the villages, some managed to survive after torture, who is still missing the russians mocked and for fun, in a state of alcohol intoxication, they were in the villages and took photos of rapes, i generally thought that it was all from a fairy tale, well, i don't believe that in anatoliy. these are the kind of people , all the beasts of the tree-sticks went to the neighbor's neighbor . vodka, booze, all the way, all the houses were bewitched two or three times. we waited for the army every day, every god's day i waited

. i don't know, i prayed to wake up and see this damn ukrainian soldier, and everyone was so worried. the invaders lied that they had already captured kyiv and other large cities, because there was no communication and the internet, they allowed to evacuate only to the russian federation and temporarily occupied territories, but sometimes they gave the opportunity to go to neighboring villages for travel or medicine, taking documents as collateral, so the man together with his fellow villager decided to leave potemkine, using this excuse, we went with him. so we prayed to the siyatyryu, the rain is coming, well, panic , well , well, what are you going to? i was there, 15 people lived in one of these huts, two rooms. well, in that article, we were so happy that we went there. we were there. you were the one who cried and hugged. ruslan's wife and their son were already in germany at that time . olga's son-in-law decided to take the family out of

visokopilya, although the risk of death was high, the family stayed in ukraine for a while, then olga went abroad with him for the safety of her little son , the woman's niece evacuated to germany a little earlier, so she persuaded olga to go there with the child. and she says if you want, she says, come to my place, she says that they just gave her an apartment, she had two children, and she had a younger sister, and the apartment was four-room, she says that there is a place, if you want , go, i will say that no one should be reinforced , it is better. yaroslav later joined the family in germany in a real zburg. currently , the family is learning german and getting used to a peaceful life again. plans for the future. immigrants do not build a marriage in the young son . it is especially difficult to accept new realities. memories about the occupation, the same salutes were too loud here on new year's because

he runs and shouts. mom, they are russian. yes, i say synoktioner's - they are fireworks. mother, they are russian. they shoot them, says the son. as you know, the ukrainian military liberated the village of potemkine, the romanovych family wanted to rebuild his home , but he does not know whether it will be possible to do it, the pomka does not stand in a wasteland after the russian occupation, there is not a single surviving house left olga dudko from germany for the espresso tv channel, cinema, television, sports, music

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comparisons with the war from a comparison with a specific concrete situation on the field battle, but it is still very important. it will also be about finances and world finances, and it will be about the actual imperialization and sovietization of the post-soviet space, first of all, undoubtedly in ukraine , which is already happening, but it is worth listening intelligent people who look at it all from the outside but understand ukrainian realities is not as easy as you can see to go to this topic yohanan petrovskyi stern american historian of american israeli historian philologist essayist translator in general a person who seems to me to know more languages ​​than there are in the world but this there is nothing wrong with this , there is nothing more than languages, more lives, as karl marx said to me, or as always, karl mars

stole something from someone, this is a very popular story in mars from malinism, borrow something, somewhere this is what i said in a very academic way for you to see mr. petrovsky stern, we haven't seen each other for probably two weeks and now we see each other again, and now the question is complicated, this question is not easy. i know that there are many people in ukraine who consider such a question very simple, just how the tumbler in the club is turned off and everything. and how carefully, in a european , civilized way, i will ask the question a little longer, where to carry out sovietization and where to improvise why? because when the russians come, they do everything in one moment , all the flags go away.

they like to shoot some scumbag, ban the language, ban the culture, ban the artists, writers, actors, ban everything and everything and that's 2-3 weeks, that's all right and when democracy comes, civilization, then everyone well, we can't be like the russians we can't act the same way we we can't ban everything in one second and then the question arises how to do it elegantly but still not drag it out for ten years so mr. john, congratulations mykola i'm very glad to see you all gentlemen in the same pit, so please, my name is hanan er-er call him me his khanan please i am a mere mortal - this is the first and second you introduced me as an american israeli journalist historian and so on eh again please i was born and raised in kyiv and eh from the song do not throw out words to them and i stay wherever i am in israel, the united states, poland or ukraine

, and thirdly, in order to answer your question, let's understand what it is about. you said very aptly, what does it mean in russia, everything is done very quickly, everyone was shot, they began to build a new bright e- is hmmm world of the future eh once i talked with my late commenter obi he told me such a thing that this whole eastern european culture is of course based or as we have seen it was based on eh russian realities on the russian approach to things works in a very simple way this means that there were pagans in the ukrainian territories and they built a temple for themselves in this very peru. well, for god's sake, and so on, the christians came and destroyed it all and built churches in this very city

, the vydubytsky monastery, let's say other churches andriiv church later, let's say the mongols came, they cut everything, they ate everything. in the 14th century, there was nothing. then the poles came and started building something of their own. then the russians came and destroyed everything that the poles had built , except for one church on streets of the three saints. which shevchenko also painted, and then the communists came and began to destroy the golden dome of mykhailo and the church of st. nicholas and other buildings built in the 19th century, and this is how it continues. i would say not just already centuries and millennia, and when a new government comes with new sometimes very good ideas and destroys absolutely everything that was created

before that i think that this is a fundamental mistake of eastern european realities, i will not call them ukrainian or russian, they are more complex paradigms that work outside the purely state dimensions and i would like not to see this . i would like not to see this situation in ukraine . what is needed for this? i will answer very briefly. we need new people with new, first of all, non- radicalist thinking, that is, without such thinking that everything that happened before us is hellish . everyone must be meant, well, if you don't shoot them, then in principle they will be erased from the national memory, but our new one means to affirm. and actually what happens in this case is that you build a culture on the plane you have no depth in this culture because all the previous eh or you are now or your previous eh your predecessors they all

mean nafik eh destroyed eh i.e. you need people without this same radicalist thinking but you also need people without a scoop thinking that such a thing de aura media, this is the golden mean, it is very difficult and very important to track and build and i see i saw new people i don't know there oleksand meheda mykhailo nazarenko yaryna tsymbal new people we will put in this commission and tell you the task to understand which streets need to be renamed which ones, which ones, which memorial boards should be removed, which ones, no , i understand, i explain the situation, i can give one example of a real movement, it is very difficult to solve a problem that is very difficult to solve

, i.e. me, for example, my theatrical life i can't say that they are so boring to me, but i started at the russian drama theater on the corner of pushkinskaya and then it was lenina and now it is bohdan khmelnytskyi strange month sevich such was the production and i went there for 6 years, i was seven years old i don't remember either and now i'm sitting and thinking on the one hand look at absolutely such simple thoughts on the one hand i'm absolutely for ukrainization i 'm absolutely for renaming, banning , not showing, but here i'm saying to myself well, i don't want to watch russian writers productions in the russian drama in the ukrainian language i want chekhov's three sisters because as long as i remember the russian language i can use it on the other hand there are people who say sooner or later we don't say it will be tomorrow or

after it can be 20-40- in 60, 80 or 100 years, this will be a sufficiently ukrainized territory. that is, i do not think that there will be such a huge number here . kyiv has been ukrainized for a long time now. fly after the team in russian, they fly to odesa, to kyiv, and to kharkiv, anywhere in the territory of ukraine, due to the fact that in russian they pronounce some words through which these rockets fly, but on the other hand, i was completely surprised by the letter. when the raids on bulgakov began maybe i have bad taste. i personally really like bulgakov. i just once waited for an hour and a half for the current king of britain , charles the third, then he was then he was

a prince and he was late because he was walking around kiev and saw bulgakov's house and said oh this is my favorite writer and i want to come in and i'm late even though they say that these crowned persons are not late so here i am i'm already a witness in short i'm in my own i definitely know two people who like bulgakov it's me and the king of britain i definitely don't recognize this and that's why it's strange to me that and on the other hand, there are people who say no, let's throw it out, i'm against it, i'd like it all, even if they throw it away, i won't stop reading it, and my daughter who hates russia, and just especially after the attack, she just doesn't want anything. she doesn't speak a single letter of russian she did not express her innocence, but she told her

i liked bulgakov. i hope one of them will read them to us , mykola. look, you and i grew up in a russian-speaking environment. i was one of the few people in kyiv who sometimes, sometimes not always, showed off his ukrainian language. next to it was a shop sir sir sir i.e. so this was the coffee shop that yurk and i used to go to, he is yurko lysenko . actually, we ordered coffee there. yes, i approach this saleswoman and say, dear lady that means a cup of coffee, well, the standard was not popular in kyiv, no, no, it was not popular, she didn’t have you, and they looked at me like a suicide, etc. in fact, sometimes i behaved like that but of course, i grew up in a russian-speaking environment, i grew up with

bulgakov, who at that time was absolutely neither official nor attractive nor officially nor an attractive figure in any soviet culture or ukrainian or russian but an important thing is an important thing when we talk about the role of russian culture and the russian language russian writers, now in ukraine we need to understand a simple thing mykola that we need to understand and kill in our heads . when the russian language is used in an instrumentalized way during the russian invasion. russian peace with er, with the help of which er means for the sake of which ukrainian servicemen and civilians are killed and

ukrainian children are kidnapped at this time, we simply cannot afford it calmly talk about any role of russian culture in ukraine, i would take a break from this for now, despite the fact that you and i were born in a russian-speaking environment. i also went to the russian drama theater. true, the first time when i was there i saw the hopelessness of hoping for shcherbak's play about lesya ukrainka, and it was in ukrainian, but this is such an important thing to take a break and calm down, we will return to this topic, we will return to an objective situation when the russian language is not instrumentalized as tools of aggression and when, let's say, putin will be in gas, uh, russian peace will be in the dust and uh, then we will be able to talk about what it is and in this situation mykoly, we will have

to understand a simple thing that uh, we should not look at uh, not on personality, let's say bulgakov, he loved ukraine. well, he didn't know it. he didn't see it very well. he didn't really understand it. and on principles, again, not on personality. but on principles, what i mean by that is that bulgakov is definitely a patriot of kyiv. the person who made kyiv is largely what it is from yellow building at the university, where one of the turbins was defending itself from another bolshevik or some other attack all the way to andriivskoye uzvoz. that is, this is the space that, let's say , was described by bulgakov, so that in recent years, hundreds of thousands of people have been walking through it. route to look at this very literary history and its architectural and cultural kyiv view

, eh. i don't know another person who would have done so much for kyiv from this point of view, as bulgakov did, and he has a ukrainian-zherian and anti-semitic passages in the white guard. i don't uh, i don't object to that. but we need to understand what the principle is about. if a person has invested in local patriotism, we don't need to demand from this person ukrainians, that means support in favor of ukrainian nationals, that means uh intelligence and so on into ukrainian national heritage in order to encourage it, so to speak, and to take it into the new canon of ukrainian culture, the same thing should also happen when we talk not only about russian, but also about polish, about czech, about other cultures, we need to understand that ukrainian culture is an open culture

and those people who in one way or another were added to what was and will be ukrainian culture , the ukrainian land, these people must be respected , if only because they lived and worked on they tell us that stravinsky, the great russian composer stravinsky wrote his most famous opera in ukraine and he has a lot of ukrainian musical plots , who cares if wikipedia, which you use, millions of people tell us that he russian, this very composer, you understand, there are those things from which you have to er er get rid of once and for all don't read wikipedia er don't er use superficial sources and ask experts i named three professions i can other ukrainian specialists whom i listen to whom i listen to whom i respect to ask what to do with this person take it literally a few days ago

there was a controversy on the internet about what to do with the memorial plaque of simon gudzenko, who wrote insightful, very good poems about a simple soldier who is going to die on the fields world war ii, which is most likely the seed of zenko, a russian-speaking poet of jewish origin who lived in ukraine , which means, which he called, most likely , the great patriotic war. if you put a memorial plaque to him today, you don’t need to remove it, it’s such a good balanced approach, and from another point of view, uh, come out and i walk uh, through hrushevsky 4, and there hangs a memorial plaque to academician bilodid from

a ukrainian linguist who edited all these russian-ukrainian ukrainian-russian dictionaries of the 50s and 60s , no one did as much for uh-uh in the disintegration of the russian-ukrainian language as this same academician bilodid did, what to do with him absolutely such a party bastard bowed with the russian-speaking authority and canonized the ukrainian language in the soviet version uh for half a century what to do with him i would like to to talk about these things with people who are not engaged with people who were born after 1991 and who did not inherit either the soviet union or radical nationalism like that, that's it, mr. ohanan

petrovskyi stern, we don't have any more time, we already have an economy, we have a next meeting with the financier with the banker we have to give way thank you yohanan petrovskyi stern america no ukrainian american israeli historian philologist seist translator i think i didn't offend anyone everything is fine i said yes i promised to talk i asked to invite my friends and colleagues, sergey fursu, an investment banker, to talk about loot in the world, and he responded, and i thank you, not even just on sunday, when all normal people, except for september, drink beer. he will now talk about banks with september. thank you, sir. sergey, thank you for taking the time. so, look, what were these convulsions? i evaluated it as i already think that it

is a convulsion and not a disease, but we have convulsions in the state of california with these banks, banks are going , were you hiding money, startups and of silicon valley and then something convulsed a loan in the whistle of a swiss large systemic bank it is somehow related it is not related it is exactly convulsions in fact, for sure now, no one will answer, first of all, this is what happened in california, this is the first swallows, e.e. raising rates, for the last 10 years, the whole world lived in conditions where money was worthless, there was an infinite amount of it, and within such a life , people began to very much very carefully