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me hurts so much what is it probably ukraine 1+1 continues the national telethon in the studio working for you maria vasilievna i yevhen plinsky and in this part of the broadcast we work in the format of the discussion platform night watch and the topic that we initially chose for our conversation was russophobia, what kind of phenomenon is it, how does the world understand it, but here the decision of the international criminal court on the conviction of putin appeared, so we decided combine these topics and talk about it, and today we have as guests maraev historian , candidate of historical sciences, and mykola davidyuk , a political scientist, a researcher of putin's propaganda . thank you, what

an evening. good evening. was issued by the international criminal court in gaza for the arrest of vladimir putin, and this quite embarrassed the russian, so to speak, zed patriotic community. although on the one hand, they all claim that it is allegedly of no importance and that it is not a jurisdiction at all, russia does not recognize the decisions of this court and this not their jurisdiction and so on and so on but nevertheless, as they say, something burned out, i just remember, uh, who, in principle, uh, who was this court interested in, and i mentioned only a few african dictators, one of them, muammarka dafi, well they actually dealt with him his own fellow citizens and not bad for putin , i would have kept him in good company, especially since, as they say, he is very afraid of repeating the fate of amar gaddafi , that's why he got to screw the nuts in his country because he really didn't want to repeat such a fate. and actually sloboda milosevic, who also did not live to

be sentenced and actually died in prison. so, i want to address the first question to mr. vladlena to our historian about what these precedents tell us , how much does this a warrant, because it is not, is not equal to an accusation, there were cases when the court, on the contrary, acquitted people who were uh, there were already warrants issued for their arrest. always say that it does not concern them, they did not sign the rome statute and they say that it is their jurisdiction and they are not affected, they say that for them it is such an absolutely empty statement, but in fact

it is not so this is a colossal historical precedent because indeed the leader of a world power of a nuclear power is recognized as a criminal, a warrant is finally issued to him, this is a very, very serious precedent, which is an extremely serious image blow at the top of russia, this is an immediate signal to other leaders of other countries who are trying to maintain contacts with putin, and this of course, a very serious precedent for the future, but i want to say that in the past , history already knows several attempts to condemn the political elite of some countries responsible for certain very serious crimes , now they are waging war for crimes against humanity, etc., etc., and the first example was after the first world war when they tried to condemn the leadership of germany for allegedly starting this first world war . of course, it was a typical trial by the victors on the part of the entente, but it did not lead to anything, this is a very telling moment

since the so-called leipzig trials were held in the 1920s, however , it would not have been possible to convict a former member of the revelhelm, he would have fled to the neutral country of the netherlands, where he hid until the very end of his life and did not leave there at all, that is, in essence, such non-exit option and other people who were simply tried to be brought there to court were not extradited by germany , and this was a consequence of the fact that germany was not defeated in the first world war. if it was defeated and occupied, how would it be after the second world war, these processes had a chance of success, so the history after the second world war it was already completely different. there was the nuremberg tribunal. germany was occupied, deprived of its statehood , divided into four zones of occupation between the winners, and they were able to hold one main tribunal there and 12 more at which

really bring the criminals to justice and convict them. they received real sentences, some even a death sentence , as far as history is concerned, this is a unique phenomenon right now , when the war has not yet ended, but the verdicts and decisions of the criminal court are already appearing against the leader of the country that started the war, well, history with yugoslavia showed that in fact the war was going on there at the beginning of the 90s and finally only in 2001 its slovak war ended with the conflict in macedonia, which later became north macedonia, that is, even during these events, a tribunal was created with the former is international and he considered a lot of cases, and against all of them there were serbs and croats and bosnians, and against many figures, the same milosevic , a warrant was issued to him, he was arrested and brought to justice, but they did not have time to complete the process then, because he died after sitting

five years in a cell, anna mykola, how do you evaluate this decision from the point of view of the police, well, it's great, it's better, the news of the week , what a person, as a citizen of ukraine, as a ukrainian , we all welcome this, but it happened for the first time on the eve of the visit, everyone is sizinpina to moscow and we understand this. well, it didn't just appear like that, we came up the day before, what does it affect politically, how will they react now ? well, germany has already reacted harshly, saying in fact that we are glad to see putin in germany , the negotiations will pay for the gas, that's great, in fact, we are so they always approached very carefully. well, there it will be 50 years, it will be here for 100 years, because we can't wait, we can't wait , and here immediately such a flight and we are such a super beautiful court. so, i think that such a very serious hope and reaction of germany appeared in this. the first country that actually like that

latent, even sometimes, putin can be supported, even though they immediately refused to supply us with tanks, it’s gone, and here they are the first to come out, again , they are the same. in fact, now the zenpin experiment, but a few details. putin was always sure that there is state immunity for the country's leader and he said that i would not be subject to it, and this was during the negotiations there and with biden and behind closed doors diplomatic i am not responsible for this. i started a truly unprecedented war. that is, we did nothing to attack us, and he received a response for this. the second kidnapping of children. this is what the world has not forgiven. children were really taken away. this is a repeat of stalin’s stories when crimean tatars were taken away. when the ukrainians exported well, this is just such a message and a very strong message. well, war crimes have not reached them yet, but we will get there, and putin says i enjoy immunity, the world and

the hague court say ok, but there are exceptions for war crimes, this immunity is removed, actually these are the african dictators whom you mentioned, the example of gaddafi is generally excellent, that is, i think that maybe it will happen to putin himself, because the hague sent a message to putin, and now imagine what the russian oligarchs who are sitting thought about in a pond in london, if a snake is shot down, and they are a small-footed one in front of him, it means that they will be caught and undressed, they will take away all these looted billions. well, there are no blogs, kashena, some of them write from prison, what kind of people let this go the oligarch, let this oligarch go. don't touch the money of that oligarch. no one will read these blogs. everyone will say, look, gas. she went for putin , so we will catch up with them. the world is going to meet with a war criminal to shake his hand, but now the question is also that, i have never even seen you before on the air, he can do it this is how to greet him in chinese so as not

to pressure put on a mask and say where is your table ok, will they let me there? like, i don't want the japanese as the head, yes, the germans, maybe the agenda of the meeting itself will change, but in view of these circumstances, you should think twice or fly at all, plus, look at another story like this here - it's a crisis in the kremlin, everything is burning and burning there now and you coolly noticed that they seem to be pretending that everything is ok, but not ok . they are flying to crimea without a prepared program . well, now the time has come, and what was he doing in crimea? well, we understand that this is a farewell visit, because the armed forces are preparing counterattacks and mariupol crimea, but he opened a school with a priest, the priest doesn't care about the school at all. well, such a big school is so pompous that the whole class was decorated with a gymnasium. you did it for the sake of it . he goes there. it's the same with mariupol. they built this one there. indeed, there were three or four houses in mariupol that were destroyed. tens of thousands were destroyed there, but three were built when there was no light in the dark. they came to show the guy a perfect

picture where the man said that i am your only friend , but i have nothing after your war and brought in this actress who began to answer, but this is all a demonstration of the lack of a reason to come there, that is, he interrupts the gag, now he is in the domestic market , the weekend was spent in putin to interrupt the internal agenda, where he is sitting on some green chairs in an empty hall of the philharmonic somewhere in mariupol this means that instead of killing the hague, it is somehow and it is actually a demonstration that he went to the conquered land, ukraine says it is temporarily occupied, you will have the second kherson will be for you, kharkiv region, we are all swept away, nothing will happen, but he needs to show zenpin something, like not only gaske, a summons to court. well, there are occupied territories. although everyone is not stupid, he says, you occupied four regions in there are no two. well, this is just a demonstration of fire. putin did not expect this, and

i think that this is the response of the western world , we were shot down by a drone . see 300,000 e additional troops on on the borders with russia and nato countries, poland first announced it, then the nato office announced it, the second thing was that the nubians began to be deported. and what happened. you sat in mine, everything was so beautiful. and they are sent back. go back. arbiter of the revolution. you are not welcome here. you do not want to go to the front . arbiter of the revolution . this is also the west sending zadron well, the third thing is clear that this is the hague type and this is in sum a response to putin for this truth uh, well, again, the states are cool, sail away, they say, well, we did not violate russian airspace, crimea is ukraine, we were flying normally nobody i want to ask mr. vladlen to comment on this decision, also gaga, from the point of view of the convenience of the beginning of the revolution in russia that we constantly set as an example when we remember the year 917 when the troops of a-a

turned around with simple words and went to storm petra grad for how long now we approached in the context of the reality of these events today, no one will ever know until it begins, the prerequisites, you see the prerequisites correctly, this is generally the prerequisites are gradually sprouting, but it is practically impossible to assess their scale until it is not will happen, all revolutions happen very unexpectedly, very suddenly for people who live directly at this moment in history. they are usually always unpredictable, but this can really have a cumulative effect of creating certain changes in russia in the future , but this also does not guarantee that these changes will not happen there may be an option such that putin, on the contrary, absolutizes his power by ousting, trying to shift the responsibility

to anyone from his entourage, or vice versa, that there will be a palace coup because how we we know russia has a colossal tradition of its palace coups, the tsars there were very often dethroned , sometimes they were imprisoned, sometimes they just killed and buried, hide the snuff boxes and dmitry medvedev will come in his place. in russia about the fact that, look, even against putin, you made this decision, and you can , well, in fact, for now, your hands are free to solve this issue with your own hands . this is someone, someone will find a snuffbox, everything is a very real option, very real, because in a system where everything is built on loyalty and

fear, this is not a partnership relationship, it is exactly a relationship of dependence, and when people see that it is in their interests to change something, to get rid of the person on whom they depended, they are are quite capable of doing and we can't imagine, to be honest, now i'm thinking, for example, macron picks up the phone and calls a war criminal to talk to him about russia , which constantly imposed such a discourse on us that we will agree to peace negotiations if the sanctions are lifted from us, and now if this order is revoked, that is, there are not too many conditions for you to start negotiations that will lead to nothing, so that you once again tell some lies of your own . the end is finally put to the impossibility of such negotiations negotiations with whom, with a recognized criminal and a valid one, how do you say, and draw blood, that’s how it will look, that’s possible. what do you think , mr. mykolay, or is it just a matter

of closing putin’s phone, ms. bridget and his wife will say let's better make dumplings with truffles and call zelensky and spend such a nice ukrainian evening than to call this scumbag for the next political elections, you are actually killing yourself with these calls and negotiations because your competitors will say well, look, this person called a criminal and i negotiated with him that let's agree, in fact, he removes the chessboard in general , he just removes it as an option. that is , there could be no more negotiations, i think that it is for negotiations. maybe then there is another putin format to be used, there is a format of advisers, a format of ministers of foreign affairs, a format of ministers of defense, but i agree with you that uh, ms. and ms. brigitte and macron himself will move away from putin as a toxic element and domestic foreign policy, moreover, at the expense of protests is similar the story was that when maduro had internal protests, the russians advised to close

the borders, that was a few years ago, and the protests were growing, and the chinese, on the contrary , advised maduro to open the borders, they say that 25:45 uh, the young men who will leave, this is a reduction of revolutionary tension , this is the middle class plus, who will leave caracas mainly and leave miami there for the south of the united states, and it relieves your tension , moduro, it really did, it lowered the tension, and putin took this lesson into account he did not know him. he looked at what the chinese from venezuela do and he is here. why did he open the borders for emigration? he announced mobilization. yes, when there was mobilization , it was beneficial for us to have them go, because then the math was like that, now they have lived they were kicked out in the states for six months, they say you won't have a place in the world, but in addition to the states, dubai must join , israel must join, the european union has joined, georgia has joined, well, they are already there, they ate all the khinkali, they drank it all, they return their wallets empty, there is no such thing as discounts there, two for pay three or something else. let him come back, but now they are also charged

in a slightly different way, and now for putin , this is exactly what they are playing him, he opened the border. motivate correctly, just don't become meat because, well, he will go to donbas , it's a one-way ticket, yes, he will go to a protest , he can get a baton and can sit in a car park , he can spend a week there and in prison , but you will return from donbas in a plastic bag, and this is the answer and the message to all these young russians and summers, including those who can finance it. well, one oligarch posted a letter saying that he supported the democratic forces, i support the revolution, come on, come on, let's buy, let's go open the tents, but it's quiet here, that's why it's necessary to throw it here, it's necessary to set it on fire. well, this is also a message to other countries, like send them back kazakhstan, georgia , finland, all those who received them by road routes, turn back, turn back to private russians, let them put things in order at home, at the same time , it's worth noting that in reality, a lot

of putin depends on the russians themselves, because we can, of course, very much hope for the decision of the international criminal court. he may even have time to make a decision, but what will happen to putin himself, because many now i am disappointed. well, we always have enough people who, no matter what victory does not happen, they are still not enough , not enough satisfaction. our broadcast and russophobia were indicated on the wall and there was actually what, uh, what depends on the russians, but the russians themselves. i want to ask them. and what are you fighting for here in ukraine?

but they actually have this very long-lasting legend among themselves about the fact that there are enemies in the world, they are surrounded by enemies, they are under siege in some kind of fortress, and let that putin, they can hate him themselves, but they don't it is possible to be surrounded by enemies, you cannot lose to them, it is combined into one word, they call it russophobia, by the way , we will try to find out and a political scientist in order to analyze this word, i found the russian wikipedia. suspicious, unfriendly, hostile attitude towards the russian people, fear of russia or the course of russian foreign policy , especially the last ones. of your understanding, well, you have read one of

the definitions, yes, but it is of course very subjective, especially this ending about what fear is, so it is just obvious that the russians wrote , because i will say it is the russian wikipedia. in fact, their propaganda is focused on instilling fear, if you look closely, the motive of all their propaganda materials is to intimidate, to intimidate a real or potential enemy, and to intimidate their own in the first place. they sat quietly, nothing. everything was calm in the country , that's why rostophobia is a very popular term now , but the opinion is, uh, again, from the point of view of history, the opinion that is invested in the population ukraine and what everyone around you hates and the main value and meaning of one's life is to fight against this phenomenon , this is not new at all, a new idea is incredibly

old because the soviet union lived with this idea and the russian empire lived with this idea the fact that in the same russian empire the general mass of the population was extremely poorly educated even at the end of the 19th century, 80% of the population could not even read, it was then very easy for them to push in anything, as they say, any ideas; in the soviet union , in general, there was always a narrative of the enemy environment, they say, we have made a revolution in ourselves. we are the best socialist country in the world. and around the enemy is a capitalist environment that only dreams of capturing us , defeating us, replanting capitalism and oppressing the workers and peasants of the state . that is why the fact that the borders are closed, very few people leave and constantly, this is the rejection of western values, so-called, they are considered something very bad, this is what they spread about some in contrast. here you

are sitting in a dirty room with lice, you have nothing to eat and what do you think, i'm sorry, the meaning of my life is so beautiful , and here they explain it to you, and it appears that in reality it's either you or you, this people is a baby carrier, and suddenly some meaning appears in your existence, because the russians know that to me, i'm sorry, it's so pure this is a popular opinion, but on the other hand, it seems to me that russians are so willing to die because their life is not so good that they should hold on to it. and by the way , this very term, russophobia, is beautiful. it was mentioned at the un in an unexpected way because there was was the march 14 meeting of the united nations, which, by the way, was called by moscow in order to complain to the whole world about him, because he is this world, and he is unfairly insulting these russians. precisely because of roxophobia , well, from the point of view of russians, russophobia is some kind of mental illness that makes you dislike russians, although they

in fact, they are beautiful people, they just want to be loved. for this , they kill others just to convince them that they are worth loving. well, at least this is a way to draw attention to themselves, and here's what the organizers actually did, they did a brilliant thing is that they invited a professor of yale university, timatis snyder, a world-famous historian, to the un. he was supposed to simply explain to the participants of the meeting what russophobia is, and he gave such a short but very bright speech in which he explained that russophobia - this is a fiction of the russians in order to explain why they are engaged in genocide and other war crimes. and in fact, this is what he said, i just can't resist a little , i will quote the term russophobia, snyder said , is used to promote the statement that the imperial state is a victim even though the imperial state of russia is waging a brutal war, the imperial government actually humanizes the victim, i.e. the ukrainians, and

claims to be a victim when the victim in this case is ukraine opposing the attack of murder or colonization. the empire says what it wants to leave her alone is unreasonable, because it is a disease, it is a phobia, the term russophobia is an imperial strategy aimed at changing the topic from a real war of aggression to the feelings of the aggressors , the imperialist says that we are the only people here. we real victims and our offended feelings mean more than the lives of other people, but in russian foreign policy, the question is not what the russians will think about it, because , in this case, we are not about them, but the question is, does the world really need further explanations like this as i gave and timo snyder, why is it so easy to confuse people

? people who are convinced that we are fooled all our lives, but in fact the earth is flat , or there are examples of vaccinations, you know , what kind of attitude is different to this? what do you think, can this example be discussed in such a context? indeed, people need to be reminded from time to time that black this black is white - this is white and to kill other people even under the pretext of the fact that there is some mysterious disease roxophobia that exists exclusively in the heads of russians, what is it really? need from time to time to somehow remind or is it really not clear, snyder's speech is extremely important simply because all other states are we live here in ukraine and at the moment all other states are citizens of these states, so they can behave in a completely different way than here, first of all, they have