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[000:00:00;00] you put pressure on putin in order to achieve some acceptable result for us. as for putin, he will be judged and will change the plans of the leader of china . er, the kremlin dwarf changed his strategy as well and stopped doing those things that are inadequate today, that is, i want to believe until the end that um, in fact, there are some other chances, some other things that i cannot control or know that is, it's difficult for me
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i don't want to predict what will happen next. i would like to believe in the absolute adequacy, let's say, of the inadequate world, but i would really like it if one of the players, such as china, is claiming a leadership position in the world and still understands what the prospects are for him and for for the future, it is important to be with those countries with which at least they should stand in a row, eh comilfo because actually hmm this visit and looking at this whole theater eh he looks so, well, very sad and disturbing on the one hand at the same time, that is, well, first of all, i would i really wanted us to have more understanding. we must definitely appoint this to the composition of china, unfortunately, which is not there, and because maybe then we would have more information about all these things here, i wanted such a more proactive position, but unfortunately i am talking about the first plan, which i would like to see implemented and something small, so that this visit does not take place. unfortunately, this did not happen , so we are waiting for the results, i want
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to believe that it will still happen, even with those handshakes, there are no handshakes. well, let's say it's not unwelcome, but it is. for the sake of some other important interests of preserving the world, and not for other aggressive unnecessary things today. well, ms. oksano , here is another question. the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation declares that the grain agreement was extended for 60 days for the first time and not at 120, as stipulated by the initial agreements, and we are talking about the fact that they even put forward some additional conditions. well , if you want us, russia, not to leave this project on may 18, then please, in certain banks, please reconnect swift. the ammonia pipeline must work, sanctions must be lifted from some
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companies and persons connected with specific spheres of activity of the russian economy, i don't know how large-scale, but even some completely unrealistic demands, what could this be related to? it's just, uh, i don't know, an attempt to aim somewhere that is the maximum goal, and can anything really come out of this? is the world so frightened by the prospect of hunger, you know, it seems to me that in the context in which it is currently being presented, some kind of grain agreement is absolutely beneficial to those who want to conditionally to consume this bread and be in the middle. is it worth that much? well, let's say it's fundamentally important for ukraine, i think not, and in fact very often this agreement looks very strange and one-sided . the others are in the negotiators and the most important thing is that it does not depend on ukraine
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, ukraine is ready to fulfill its obligations under forward-futures contracts and everything else that happened, but let the war end , let there be victory and peace. that is we showed that ukraine is capable of doing everything so that there is no hunger in the world. unfortunately, because of the war and aggression , it seems to me that the main culprit is the one who blocks the ports. unfortunately, where is our sea of azov a closed lake because it was impossible to do something there? to do now the black sea, where all security systems are violated , but very often in those grain agreements benefits for ukraine do not exist, there is an opportunity to ensure and avoid the risks that are being shouted about to the whole world, and the fact that we fed half the world with this grain and ukraine was capable of this
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to do as of today, in these grain agreements , i hope that the national interests of ukraine will be respected, and so on. we have it too, it must be admitted, but very often . when you ask the farmers who were directly involved in the cultivation of this grain, you understand that the share of those who earn from it are intermediaries, and this is where it is very important to understand how much today not just for those who are agrarians, but in general to start this sowing , which they started even earlier, but now they have to carry it out because there are a lot of products, it is correct to note that due to non-exportation, it is getting cheaper, i will tell you frankly, there are people even there in the lviv region who say that they are ready to hand over there to the army over those people
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who need food and potatoes and other things that they have left from this winter. that is, we understand that it is not the opening of the market or the capacity of the market that exists today, that is, provision through transport corridors, i.e. ground uhm transportation by cars is very complicated and not easy ah and this corridor which is closed it uhh really hits the economy for us, but when we see in the negotiations that despite the fact that the world wants to get ukrainian wheat, but i don’t mind to pass some national, our ukrainian interest , as well, every time it is visible, there is not much that gives ukraine, let’s say , to compensate for the costs that, unfortunately , are laid in order for this
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to happen, let’s say that's how this one worked corridor from the point of view of benefits for the benefit of the buyer of ukraine there , intermediaries and producers, including farmers and the corresponding products . thank you, professor, for this detailed analysis of the situation. oksana yurynets, a professor at the national university of lviv polytechnic, a deputy of the previous convocation of the verkhovna rada and a former representative of ukraine in the parliamentary assembly nato and we go further 16th hour 36 people work live and form about the most important thing and the most important thing is that the arrival of these calls to the chinese leader to his vassal neighboring territory, you formulated it well, putin's talks are really going on now, at least that's what the russian propaganda publications are reporting, well, after all, that's what he came to russia for, so they will definitely continue, the leader of china arrived in moscow , his meetings with president vladimir putin are happening, what to expect ukraine from the agreements between china and russia let
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's try to look in the plot hmm good day , a visit with many unknowns, the president is all visiting moscow for the first time first of a full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, observers point out that beijing wants to play a more active role in the russian-ukrainian war. but which mediator is seeking power or the main ally of the kremlin ? the world that he will be a neutral mediator in the russian-ukrainian conflict, and back in february, china presented its peace plan, it has many good points such as respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of countries and the inadmissibility of threats of nuclear weapons. however, the document does not mention the need to withdraw russian troops from the territory of ukraine on the eve of the trip to moscow, and announced conversations with president zelensky in the format of a video link, while in kyiv restrained
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the response to the chinese initiates what china is already talking about. these are some of the first steps. this is very good. well, we will make results and conclusions after we see the specifics. believe in china's neutrality difficult, a few weeks before february 24, the president received putin in beijing, where both said that their partnership has no limits . china refused to condemn russia for starting a war and even avoids using this term in official speeches. they say there is some ukrainian crisis. chinese state media play along with russian propaganda, accusing nato wars and the president of russia speaks very harshly about the policy of the united states, western countries led by the united states are carrying out comprehensive deterrence and suppression against us, and this unprecedentedly serious challenges for our country on the eve of the visit there were reports that beijing will already support
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russian aggression and in military terms, as the western press found out, several chinese companies during 2022 supplied russian enterprises with a thousand assault rifles , details of drones and body armor in the united states publicly express concern that beijing is seriously considering whether or not to start supplying russia with lethal weapons, we clearly warned the president that if china supports russian aggression against ukraine with supplies lethal weapons or will contribute to the systematic evasion of sanctions, this will have consequences. china cannot put forward peace proposals with one hand and throw fuel on the fire that russia has lit with the other. beijing officially denies such intentions, but a month ago , a high-ranking chinese diplomat, wang ye , came to moscow, where he met with putin , who stated that russian-chinese relations are reaching new frontiers, the two states are united by a common interest in changing the current world
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order, which does not suit either moscow or beijing, yes. thank you colleagues for this operational and an extremely important plot, yes, about zapin's visiting card to the russian dictator, we will talk with oleksandr fedych, a member of the ukrainian association , a chinese scholar and political scientist, valery klochkom, the head of the center for public analytics, the tower glory to ukraine well, let's so to speak, with your surgical precision, we will dissect the entire visit , everyone met dvinkin, not putin and some simple, lord, official of the 6th, 7th or 10th rank , well, the vice prime minister is nothing in the kremlin hierarchy, we understand how everything works there, it's the same as well, i don't know, they would still be a bathhouse
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what do you think happened at that moment, valery? well, it’s really a very interesting fact, because when i watched putin , well, there was a message on certain mass media, do you think there were channels that published a video of how he went down, how he was met, but there is one an interesting moment, senzipin was met by a motorcade of 110 cars, plus a huge bigboard was placed, congratulating the meeting with him from the foam, and in truth, after all , pomposity was present , it is difficult to deny this, but the fact that putin was not there and they met with him in the kremlin means that not all the agreements between them will already be reached and although the way to reach an agreement was open the day before in beijing, they prepared well, yes, it seems to me that something in me has such a feeling for some reason yes, in the summary of previous events that specifically related to the cooperation between china and russia , they prepared dark notes, according to which two articles were written, one the article was written by putin and posted in the chinese edition, and the other 7
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zippins are also in the chinese edition, if you look at their content, there are absolutely two identical works, i would say so, copy the writers yes, or copywriters, probably the copywriters have already worked putin and sinzipin, but the position itself was voiced from the point of view of russia from the point of view of china, and it was this that preceded the fact that, well , it prepared the basis for their future meetings and therefore it is not accidental. now we see, in principle , he goes to a personal meeting, etc. by putin, by putin, and this was confirmed by the sand right there . as for me, certain agreements will be reached, which will be formalized tomorrow during the actually official meeting of the high-ranking leaders of china. i think at least this whole schedule is for me reasons to think about the fact that there are points that have not been agreed upon yet, which, let's say so , about which we will learn something later, at least for
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now analysis of what we also met, yes , oleksandr fedya, the state of the ukrainian association , which of the scientists, the scientists, contact us we understand that for the chinese , ceremonialism and compliance with certain procedures are no less important than for europeans, of course there are procedures of a different plan. in your opinion, will it be possible to find out why we will be able to decipher the chinese position, because the chinese have accumulated a lot of beautiful formulas, beautiful words , love and respect for sovereignty , territorial integrity, and so on. well, at the same time, we understand what the representatives are doing russian interveners on our lands, and putin is trying to make them feel like an occupation, so to speak, by sewing our
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temporarily occupied territories into the russian legal field , so to speak. a question from the point of view of diplomatic protocol, in fact, presidents and heads of state do not go to the airport to meet the state's hunger. that's why it absolutely corresponds to a simple word , that is, if they started going to meet, it would be a departure from the protocol. it would show an even higher level typewags, that is, everything took place in accordance with the protocol and but really we can now, first of all, they , er, they smile at their girlfriends and demonstrate prisms, but still, it is more official
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, although, again, this is a protocol part the main meaningful part that is actually happening to you and me, i will show all the speech here, i can only agree that they will be achieved today and formalized . well, tomorrow, have they been achieved or not yet ? to bargain, but most likely, given the situation in which he was put, including friday's decision of the international criminal court, he will be forced to accept most of the conditions
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, let's agree, primarily economic of the nature proposed by beijing, that one of the very important questions , oleksandr and mr. valery, is what interests us. as ukrainians, it is still the possibility or impossibility of supplying russia with chinese weapons for the war against ukraine, in fact , in my column about this writes faina anshlatimes eh and eh here i will flourish their analytics in moscow the leader of china will pose as a peacemaker but it is possible that everyone will advance immediately without a ceasefire, at the same time you should not be deceived this trip is necessary for deepening ties with russia which go to the benefit of the deceased and not some kind of peaceful mediation is sounding such a thesis is also a little more optimistic for us, i do not know how mutually exclusive they are, russian-chinese relations are not as strong as it might seem at first glance , notes the researcher of the shanghai institute
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of international studies e.e. jaulong in in a conversation with journalists, the wall street journal says that all this is far from being a monolith from the point of view of beijing, these relations should not become monolithic. to help russia militarily in the fight against us. the fact is that we have so little time for this comment, because the topic is too huge if you analyze the theses that it was not by chance that i asked. two articles were deciphered. theses regarding the possibility of their cooperation and the cooperation that was earlier , both sides emphasize that these are very similar peoples, quote, the dictionary says this , and putin also says this 7 zipin well, maybe not from the outside, maybe in some spirit, but still
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sintepin china emphasizes that in the future cooperation will continue in absolutely all spheres, not only in the economic , cultural, sports, tourism and so on - even to create summer camps where chinese and russian children will rest together, this is a very important point, that is, china is building far-sighted cooperation with russia now exactly why and on what basis yes he will build it zone on the fact that the affairs of the chinese economy have not been going very well in recent years the chinese miracle which was still very well started the day of this broadcast to you pristin from the foam, as far as i am concerned, it has suffered a significant collapse, we already have a lot of facts that there is a serious crisis in the real estate industry today , with which he perfectly understands the challenges facing him in the experts oriented export oriented economy of china, he is starting to restore the economy itself by removing restrictions on the poor and starting production but it is very important for him to have resources and to maintain logistical connections, which were good as
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, well, i mean, before the start of a large-scale invasion, if a war . as putin promised him during the meeting in january of last year against ukraine was completed in three days, so no questions arose today, they recorded the realities before the official volume in a completely different way, for bikini now it will be very important to preserve these logistical connections that are said about it. in this regard, he pays attention very clearly to the grain the agreement is very important for china, and in this design , the continuation of russia's war against ukraine is not at all in china's interests, so i am far from thinking that china will supply a box of two wagons or three cartridges to russia and in this way supporting the war in china is a completely different task clearly articulates what the so-called peace plan is about. of course, we may not like it, and rightly so. we do not like it because it does not have the main thesis of preserving territorial values or
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sovereignty. will consider the issue of the supply of weapons. well, for now. well, of course , i could be wrong. but i don't see this in the future. in particular, it is about the official policy of the communist party of china. yes, we understand that in order to make one or another analysis or to try to assess the further trajectory of beijing's movement, one should read the chinese press, mr. alexander, what is written in the chinese official press, well, for all that , there is no unofficial press in the prc what is the general line of beijing regarding russian aggression against ukraine? the general line of the deceased is not what he thinks about
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russian aggression against ukraine, but in the implementation of the global security initiative with stones. of global development and initiatives, one belt, one road, i.e., the same logistics chains that have already been mentioned, and its most important political goal is to assume the role of the main power in the world, a world leader, and to move from this role in the usa, that is, this ukrainian crisis, as the chinese call the russian vs. ukraine role in its settlement, china considers it exclusively from the point of view of weakening the role of the usa and opposing the usa, and that is why as soon as china saw that
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the outcome of the war was approaching with such as a result, the western countries, led by the usa, will win. china will disconnect precisely so that the usa will not be able to fully win, and it is in this context that it is important for china to preserve the territorial integrity of russia and weaken it, but not to the end, and ideally to preserve it or putin at the head of russia, or in any case, the regime that is currently in force in russia, because china exclusively considers all issues from the point of view of its own interests and from the point of view of its politics and economy, and why
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china has begun to actively do this now that the economy is complicated by the situation and that is why it needs to be restored very quickly, for this we need to stop hostilities so that everyone buys, relatively speaking, european american weapons and chinese goods from equipment to goods we thank mr. oleksandr valery klochok, head of the center of public analytics , the tower is in touch with us. well, accordingly, all the bells and whistles clearly dominate during the russian-chinese conversations, he dominates, he made several very important, so to speak , accents, in particular, well, it is about the so-called great for the reign, it is about possible so-called pseudo-elections in the russian federation, when putin will again re-elect himself to the position of president, yes
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, he will be self-appointed. so, sisinping gave the go-ahead, saying that he hopes that the russian people support putin in this endeavor. on the one hand, one guarantee, on the other hand , it is more likely that sijinping will try to support one or another of his unofficial, i don't know, unofficial agenda for possible peace negotiations, and we are waiting for what after as he finalizes the whole matter with putin, will there be a conversation, whether by phone or virtual in some other format, with the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi ? well, mr. valery, how will everyone try to present their position to our authorities , which, by the way, we do not fully understand because they contradict each other, we are talking about krem's position and sisinpid's position . well, if it is correctly understood literally, well, if he supports territorial sovereignty and
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integrity throughout the world, he well understands that ukraine is a victim of aggression the territories of which russia is trying not only to occupy, but also to annex, here is something incomplete, you said something that somewhat contradicts many opinions on the airs of various tv channels and mass media, because i often hear people say that this is absolutely russia's support , and i will agree with you here because how to read this peace plan, it can be read as the one that really wants to convince putin to take some actions in relation to ukraine , namely now let's decipher what he can do well, i am inclined to think that the widespread thesis in the media which sounds like soft putin's defeat may take place during the conversation between sinzipin and putin today, and the fact that he supported putin may not necessarily mean support personally in the upcoming presidential
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elections . it is no coincidence that this meeting took place in mariupol, or rather, this putin-type trip took place just yesterday , on the eve of the visit. and indeed, one of the most important issues, i believe, will be the very issue of discussing the implementation of this peace plan. of course, the morning is the so-called peace plan, i apologize, it is a framework and definitely, and in any case , in order to promote it, russia must take some actions , and here the question is what will be proposed, what will be demanded in this context, than zepin from putin, but what the demands will be. it is no longer obvious , because well the truth is that it seems a little strange that first the tête-à-tête conversation and then the formalization of these agreements tomorrow in the afternoon. the whole day is left to putin and sensipin for personal negotiations , i do not rule out that they may continue, there are several hours and all night long, and the number one question
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remains exactly as they say, the ukrainian crisis, both and putin in his article, films, his articles the day before, talk about it and emphasize it, they really talk about the concept of global and security which voiced by syntepin in february of this year on the eve of another year-long invasion , the document is also very interesting from the point of view of its analysis . part of the same, however, it is very important to note that the united states of america at one time spoke about the danger of the rapprochement between beijing and china and russia. i apologize, but today this rapprochement is happening between unequal states, and states dominated by china, this is true and it will claim dominance not only in the economic sphere but and security, russia's war against ukraine is one of them, well, it would even be naive for us to think that china probably says that yes, russia started military aggression, it should
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be blamed, and so on. for china , russia is really important from the point of view of expansion and the expansion of its population and the expansion of the economy, and the chinese is gradually advancing it needs time, not a day, not two, not a month, but a long time in order to implement its plans of confrontation with the united states of america, because china speaks absolutely frankly about them, the admissibility of the world's unipolarity. he talks about well, there is a lot of polarity, but in fact he pursues a different opinion about bipolarity, he does not want to dominate primarily on the eurasian continent with the help of russia, he can do this, but once again, friends, my opinion is that for he needed this some time ago, i tend to think that siv will incline putin to that is, you stopped the active phase of hostilities, how can it be expressed in truth in practice, because in particular there was a comment from the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, they also talk about it. they are waiting for some concrete steps from everyone
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in relation to putin in order to force an end to the war in ukraine, that is why i think that a specific plan will be discussed for, well, let's say so even on the map in the time frame of what putin can do in relation to ukraine , withdraw the troops, transfer the territories under the jurisdiction of ukraine and so on and so on, although then this ukraine of international structures and so on, that is, we will look at it with great regret . this is a very important moment that must be recorded as such. thank you valery klochok, head of the center for public analytics, the tower, oleksandr fedychev, a member of the ukrainian association of chinese studies, and now khrystyna yatskiv and i are smoothly transitioning in the form of eva melnyk and in the format of the news that will be presented to us. well, there is a colleague in omelnyk, look at
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