[000:00:00;00] our information department is active, it is this one that deals with all these media in social networks, subscribe to our telegram channels. it is important, it is interesting on youtube , write, subscribe, like, comment , become our sponsors, we will make our products better and with your help this was a program, my world view my name is vasyl i say goodbye to you until 19:15 and now the broadcast continues serhiy rudenko program verdict and serhiy i congratulate you on the word i congratulate vasyl literally in a few seconds verdekt glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, march 21, is the 391st day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers. an explosion in the city of dzhankoy in the north of the temporarily occupied crimea destroyed the russian caliber cruise missiles during their

transportation by rail. today is the second day of the visit of chinese leader xi jinping to moscow and to prime minister of japan fomio kesida arrived in kyiv and is expected to hold talks with president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi. russia wants to convene a meeting of the un security council regarding the deportation of ukrainian children in order to exonerate putin, we know that last week the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for vladimir putin. it is precisely because of the deportation of ukrainian children to the russian federation that, meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose strength and equipment in ukraine. as of the morning of march 21, russia has already lost 166 on the territory of ukraine 570 people in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 960 orks, at the beginning of the great war

, the russians have already lost 352 tanks, 6,879 armored fighting vehicles, 2,587 artillery pieces in ukraine systems 507 rocket launcher systems 270 means of anti-aircraft defense 35 airplanes 290 helicopters 5428 units of automotive equipment 18 ships of boats 907 cruise missiles-2167 drones 266 units of special equipment so putin fell to his knees in front of the foam seat moscow threatens the judges of the hague international final court and will china absorb russia? this is the topic of today's program. we will talk about it for an hour with our guest. he is a diplomat and politician of the minister

of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009. volodymyr grisko, mr. volodymyr, good day, good health to you and thank you for joining our broadcast. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy, good health to you and to our dear tv viewers . i'm glad for our next discussion. so , today is the second day of siedenpin's visit to moscow. in russia, well, obviously counting on the fact that this story will benefit vladimir putin and the russian federation, although yesterday's public conversation or the public introduction to this conversation , these phone calls and putin's eyes indicate that the many vectors of the world or the many vectors that vladimir putin was counting on and about which he has been talking for at least the last year. still, it is turning into two-vectority and bipolarity, that is, there are two poles until washington is not such a pole

. moscow can disappear quite quickly, are these impressions correct? well, at least from that rhetoric from how vladimir putin behaved when meeting with xi jinping er and how he er could not look his interlocutor in the eyes, constantly looked away somewhere , talked about something and did some ritualistic things it was clear that he is not very comfortable in this situation to be in the role of not the leader of the state, but in the role of a person who will ask something from the leader of a state called china, this is true , mr. sergey, and uh, this opinion is dominant among the expert environment. well, because for everyone it became obvious that it is about the fact that uh, putin is from uh, well, from russia, which served

the energy needs of the west, is simply shifting the arrows to the energy service of china, not about any centers of influence , about what kind of multipolarity there is with polar moscow, it is not easy to talk anymore does not have to and it's even funny, especially when it comes to the fact that the leader of this country is a man who has been invited to come to the hague, and at the same time, this invitation is indefinite, that is , as long as he lives, as long as this invitation will be valid. therefore, it is obvious that he himself feels extremely bad this means that he has been turned into a living political corpse by the decision of the international criminal court well, you know, there are also hyenas of world politics that , with pleasure, will feed on

such food, in this case, china stands out in the role of this hygiene, which er congress er and er actually won't notice er what she ate because she's big because she's powerful well , there is something somewhere well, thank god today let's eat it tomorrow, we'll think about something else, so the world is really going through a very interesting moment in its development, when one of those empires that claimed to be the world leader, namely russia, is losing it right before our eyes, and yet only actually the beginning of the process because there will be more then 10 burps this visit er wants toxic definitely well because it

such a pen after with er person er regarding which the judges and prosecutors collected er not refuted evidence because we understand that without this evidence there would be no er no decision on the arrest so here are pens everything with this man 10 snoring is also not a comilfo and he is just going for it because i want to tie russia to me even more so that , well, putin knows his place, and you are right , sergei, you pay attention to the fact that he does not look me in the eye, and this a sign of psychological weakness, that is, he is in a position when he will ask and his interlocutor is, well, you they showed uh, his uh, satisfied smiling face, who controls the situation, who perfectly uh, orients himself in what is happening, and this is definitely a very wonderful

illustration of uh, one hundred masters, who is subordinate, so , well, everyone played their game and played it my way it's not bad, but sigma is definitely playing white. today, the delegation of the people's republic of china will meet with the official representatives of the russian federation among those who will be from moscow's cage of bears and many of those people who are responsible for the military-industrial complex of the russian federation. federations but the most important issue is of course the so-called peace plan of china, these points that were previously made public. obviously, this is only the tip of the iceberg, and it is obvious that this package contains the so-called package of the peace agreement or the peace plan for ending the war in ukraine . if it did not sound tautological

it is obvious that there are many interests at stake , including china and these calls . yesterday, putin promised the leader of china to discuss this peace plan and assured the leader of the prc that he would be open to this negotiation process as well. and in general, to the peace plan of china, we will hear and see how it all went in germany, the signs of the month with your proposals for the settlement of the island crisis in ukraine, of course we will have the opportunity to discuss the question, we know that it comes from the principles of justice and the observance of the basis of international law laid down by them for security of all churches, we are also aware that we are always open to the negotiation process. all these questions, including yours, in which

we relate to the unconditionally established life in in this so-called peace plan of beijing, mr. volodymyr , it was not clearly indicated who is the aggressor and who is the victim, that is, they call each other the ukrainian crisis or the crisis in the ukrainian state. came from the territory of the ukrainian state, what did you start about today's theatrical performance , i can't call it otherwise, because today it will actually be ritual dances with tambourines, there will be formal, that's the same type of conversation about er peace and friendship about er mutual respect and so on and so forth they will sign some papers

but in fact everything happened yesterday. -e bilateral highest highest level, i.e. when two presidents or the president and the prime minister sit down and around them are one or two officials or advisers most admitted to the body and during this conversation what happens next er, well, it is valid the next day, as it will be today or later, it is processed in in the form of some uh, additional waters of protocols uh, well, in a word, other documents , so i think that the main negotiations have already taken place and uh, we understand that in totalitarian systems , everything happens in this way, that is,

two dictators discussed what they wanted to decide well, and then the clerks are already there , even though they are also ministers or vice prime ministers, or the clockwork or the prime ministers are already drawing up these agreements in the same way. i think it was yesterday and it will be the same today . that is, this is a normal style for totalitarianism. negotiations, and here i think that absolutely nothing has changed regarding the fact that i brought all these stumps with me, but here it seems to me that it will be better to go, it was already discussed about two things, the underground promised, i think

to help putin to balance so that russia does not drown, so that it still remains afloat , it is possible, this is possible because of the chain it gives no matter what putin is doing in economic terms, but now russia is on energy refocused one hundred percent on china if you imagine that the chinese sales market for oil and gas disappears, then russia stops definitely a goal for myself er bargained i think it is one hundred percent my own things and these things in my opinion are that russia as a nuclear power will help china build up its nuclear potential and this is precisely where the mutual benefit of this

visit for both sides can be seen what china needs to reach the level of nuclear potential as quickly as possible and time and er russia and regarding such things as this plan well, let's be serious, but in china they perfectly understand that no one will agree to it, that well, first of all, it will be er absolutely unacceptable for us for ukrainians, because no one allowed anyone to stop where the front line in ukraine now passes. that's why you know this kind of confetti of a diplomatic and political nature, which is scattered on heads in order to get a little bit. sorry for not the diplomatic style of curling bags and nothing more er, i think that in no way neither putin nor er, everyone er is not going to convince

anyone that the chinese plan will work, it will not work and we have already heard about it from all the capitals, including washington, including european capitals. well, it goes without saying that from kyiv there are separate slogans that can be refuted as something that cannot be captured , or rather, respect for international law and territorial integrity is absolutely correct, but everything else that follows it actually this principle is rechristened therefore i i think it's just hmm, so to speak, political volleys of a verbal nature, but not something that will actually work, mr. vladimir, yesterday the leader of china told putin that he sees

russia prospering in recent years, and that elections will be held next year of the president of the russian federation and sisinpin hope that in these elections the russians will again support putin, we will hear all the ding-ping. i know that there will be materials. your strong leadership will get nowhere in 20 years. it's strange to see that the russian people will strongly support you with yours. it's a good start, but he didn't add all the bells and whistles to one phrase that you will win next year if you live. well, in

principle, i could say that. hangs up to putin, this is the usual chinese diplomatic rhetoric, is he sincerely talking about the prosperity of russia at a time when , in fact, for the last year, russia has been isolated on the world markets? well, i think you know this eastern uh well, i am i think that what is stopping them is reporting about the real situation in the country. well, even if the official structure in russia says that 15 million russians live below the poverty line

russian economists who usually live now outside of russia, this speaks of a figure of at least 30. and that is more than millions of really poor people if we look at the outposts that , well, sometimes they show from the russian hinterland. well, of course, the prosperity is crazy here without any doubt, i think it is possible attribute to even a certain sarcasm on the part of these when he talks about er that russia is flourishing and regarding er the next term i think he is really very optimistic er because i think that the term can be but not presidential and there everything is going exactly what putin really wants to be for life, so he wants to be the president for life or will be a prisoner for life , so here i think there was more irony and sarcasm in the words son of patience than that e about

what he said, but this is such a traditional eastern style and including the chinese tactic of showing that he is very tolerant of the interlocutor but thinks about something completely different yesterday, volodymyr, during an appearance on cnn, the coordinator of the national security council at the white house, john kirby, called on everyone to put pressure on putin and listen to the ukrainians, he said that the meeting in moscow is the subject of very, very careful observation by the white house , we will see and hear, efforts to end this conflict must take into account the position of ukraine, so we encourage the president everyone to play a constructive role talking to president zelensky, which he has not done since russia started this invasion, because frankly speaking, china should hear directly from ukrainians, not only russians, and we call on the president

to put pressure on president putin regarding the need to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine, neighbors of the world china will certainly be closely watched. whether the leader of china will listen to the ukrainians is not yet clear, because there is information that there is a lot going on after the conversation with putin and after today, the announcement of the results of the official negotiations will call zelenskyi and talk to zelenskyi, well, at least that's what the international e-e publications are writing about, volodymyr, what do you think if osidin-pin calls zelenskyi, what kind of news or news can he make this phone call with? well, you see i would, first, comment on the words of mr. kirby, well, this is another example of such an unrealistic vision of what

authoritarian regimes are, with what joy will sadzelen press so much on putin so that he actually renounced his conquests as he says that the sea of ​​azov has become an internal russian sea from pseudo-territories there and so on and so on. well, it is not in the interests of eh these rants eh to do so that russia lost and what we actually demand to wash is a loss for russia, that is, he putin will then be forced to fully admit that he lost and that he is so and everyone stopped perfectly well understands that putting pressure on er putin in the end will mean

that er well, he will actually help because of his defeat, i think the tactics will be completely different, he is in order to somehow balance his favorable attitude towards putin, and it is an obvious truth , as we have just discussed, with his own selfish interests, but he, i think, could even would do more. in order to deceive the trusting defense again, he would even come to the conditional lviv or to the conditional uzhgorod for two hours to meet with president zelensky and tell him something and then to reveal everything that he is a mediator and that he is trying to reconcile parties that he advocates for the arrival of final and eternal peace, well now if everything turns into just a phone conversation, then i think it will be a dialogue of the deaf, remove

it because it is obvious that everyone from irpin will vote for putin's position of a cease-fire er, which will record the so-called new territorial encroachments of russia, and our president will say the exact opposite , and it will be, well, actually, the system listened to each other, thanked each other, and parted ways, but it will give the same person the opportunity to speak before the event about what he continues and insists on er peaceful regulation and that he is putting some effort into this because let's not forget that we are already there sergey and you have spoken many times china is wary of er western europe from north america er china cannot

redirect its uh, trade flows somewhere in a different region of the world than the one that buys these goods from it today, namely uh, europe and north america can't, africa can't, latin america can't, other parts of asia can't absorb everything that is produced by the world factory. therefore, uh- these you can't be patient, you can't make too sharp movements in order not to feel what putin is feeling today , it's the harsh sanctions that's why i think he'll call president zelensky, he'll tell him something, but he'll play in his chinese group before the visit of the seat to moscow, a large text of the seat in russia and, accordingly, in china, was published by putin in this article , putin is not talking about the new territorial

reality, he uses the term about the new geopolitical reality, well, that is, the rhetoric has transformed a little. does this mean, sir? volodymyr, what putin is calling for or emphasizing is that it is not only about a new territorial reality when they bit off part of the ukrainian territory starting from february 24, 2022, and about the fact that the west needs to accept a new geopolitical reality , that is, the return of russia to the geopolitical influence that was in russia until 1997, when there was an expansion, another expansion of nato . well, i think it's a shame that putin likes this piece, and we'll see it in the near future, that's why he can be calm that the uh-uh new uh-uh reality

in ukraine uh-uh will return to the old uh-uh but with very negative consequences for him and this is exactly where there will be new geopolitical changes because after our victory over uh-uh russia uh- um, in the west, they have finally started to think and talk about it, thank god, uh, the main task will be how to reformat this geopolitics, but without russia and this thesis, which once seemed absolutely crazy . well, how can you live without russia and russia are something incredible, our partner is our neighbor, though when i sit in front of german politicians, i ask myself the same question. wait, because there is at least the czech republic, poland , then slovakia, then ukraine, and then russia

. what kind of neighbors are these? well, this was done precisely in order to in what way can we justify how we can do without russia today, if we listen to the same german politicians , many of them are already talking about the need to think about a new global security system, but without russia, which means that we will really have a new geopolitical reality where russia will be er, the second is a sort of subject er and will be er completely economically tied to china, which will er actually impose on it er all the er foreign policy that this russia will be forced to er he dictated to pass here, so i think that here putin is right. you know, this is the unique case when you can deal with him, that uh, russia in the new geopolitical structure, if of course it

will survive until then, uh, it will be in a completely different weight category you know, it's so heavy, the weights are on one side, and on the other, it's light weight there in my opinion, 48 kg, well, compare 120, let's say, and 48. these are the new geopolitical realities we will have, and in this e-cock e-version , the russian federation is a very good definition of undercarriage weight for putin e-e, but that's all- after all, they still try to imagine themselves as elephants, at least the press secretary of putin sands when he was asked whether the cream would be offended if all the calls were made to joseph biden . he answered that they would respond to any call from the leader of china with respect , but kept silent about how they would respond to the possible

the call of the leader of china to the president of ukraine, we will hear piskov well, it is difficult to say, after all, city infinion leads the sovereign state, so he speaks with whom he wants , with whom he wants and when he wants, and we how it is, we are related with respect. same as uh, chinese comrade, one thing is the explanation for what president putin is doing. do you have an understanding of it? there will still be a call to zelenskiy at the end of the negotiations . you can even come from moscow, so now they are asking putin’s secretary about it. they will stop answering any questions. and in general, you have to decide something, vladimir, let’s go back to the court. if you have anything else to say about piskov, although i think that the sand is already turning into not a

talking head at all, but a different talking body of putin yes, mr. serhiy, i think you are right. well, i really read every day. this is what is published behind the scenes and sometimes i even watch it. although i once said in a simple way, but uh, i have to tell you that this uh group is on the sand in zakharov there is vsemonyanskobeeva, well, there are a couple of the same ones i will sew a village in his of course, this scumbag will also sit down with his plowman. well, because , uh, we have the experience of the munich trial , when the propagandists of the nazi regime, uh , also sat on the dock, so, well, he