[000:00:00;00] correctly the elegant answer of the west china and their russia in terms of diplomats is extremely elegant as well as the decision of the international criminal court regarding putin with an elegant time that puts only kai within certain limits this is a red line now regarding your second question so we see that china which, in recent years, seeks to position itself and show itself as a significant geopolitical player. on the world stage, china and the chinese leader see themselves and the chinese leader - this was confirmed by a publication that did not give she came out in my opinion, in the russian newspaper

they see themselves as the second after the united states. it may see itself as the first state and that is why they talk about two polarities russia and then their publications in chinese changes talk about many polarities and everyone talks about the second popularity and here and there the struggle for spheres of influence between china and the united states is now to a certain extent and not certain what is happening because it will become absolutely sorry china is absolutely actively advancing and taking control of central asia while gradually displacing from there both russia and the united elders to the states. and now the near east, peace on which the question has always been almost excluded from the competence of the united states , somehow, by some angle and gingerbread i don't know, i didn't follow up, managed to bring it to the negotiating table and bring it to some agreements

saudi arabia and iran, but this is not a ukrainian historian at all, this is not a war , this is the tension between the relations of two denominations in islam , the shumites and the shiites. we have a war with tens of thousands , and maybe more. cities here is just to say guys, let's live amicably. let's establish diplomatic relations and we'll see. this task is extremely difficult. i think that china perfectly understands their peace initiatives , which by the way, the chinese don't seem to have called it such a general conversation, just not about what will you be there for mr. ambassador oleksandr samara diplomat when they are not sent to ukraine in iran in 10-14 years expert

of the center for the study of russia we thank him for this extremely important analysis we continue this and not only the analysis of valery, a diplomat, the former ambassador of ukraine to the usa in 2015-2019, the chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, valery, we congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes and a visit to moscow, where he already met yesterday with putin and this visit continues at least for two days, the world is reacting to it, in particular, and the united states in the white house is skeptical of the meeting between the chinese leader and the russian leader, because they believe there is little evidence that their negotiations can lead to positive changes for cnn is writing about this in ukraine, at least i want to say that their negotiations do not lead to negative changes for us , is this option possible in your opinion, first of all, i think that we should look less at russian

information sources and chinese ones and you are doing the right thing what are you watching american, but it is necessary to look more broadly here, it is very important not what we think about this meeting, it is important how it will be seen in the world and whether china will be able to go further in achieving its goals, well, in fact, the creation of the polar world there is russia as a tool, and in this case, you can talk a lot about the branch, it is already being discussed constantly, the menu is being discussed, where is it, who stood where, where, whose legs were, it is not important to us now that chinese drones do not appear on the front, they have already sold 12 million of them to the russians, that is, so that it does not appear. i would like to mention the chinese companies, no, no, china as a state as a whole, yes, listen, almost when uh, the company is

separate. gave to the russians, space pictures for the war are not what were bought through trading networks, that's another story, it can be bought earlier, i 'm only saying what was said today in the western media well, let's reject it, but if it really appears there, even through a third country, additional projectiles the possibility of starting a war, this will be a very bad signal. that is, we will see a lot of things after these meetings , because the chinese goal is absolutely clear, in general, the russian one is clear, but in relation to ukraine, we have key goals of such a short-term nature, this is a victory at the front and a victory in the war, further updates of the safe life and development of the country, that is, china in this case stands in solidarity with russia, they do not want

the expansion of nato, ukraine needs a security umbrella, that is, our goals do not coincide, so here china will definitely not be on our side, but at the same time, china, and this was definitely discussed at the meetings, although it is not publicly heard , probably said once again about the use of nuclear weapons and threats of nuclear weapons. after that, i did not i expect that there will be some threats. well, unless this clown, putin's deputy, will threaten with a bomb gag, and so, in principle, serious people will not say anything more about nuclear weapons, and here in this case it is a positive influence, and probably that's all that is limited because in in this case, china's interests also do not coincide with russia's in everything else . unfortunately, well, we will see the results later , and for now, what is happening now is not in favor of the ambassadors, chinese interests do not coincide with the interests of

by the russians and i think that it will be a different stone in order to push away from it and start to understand what these ringleaders and putin will talk about or trade. in particular, we understand that the turnover between china and the european union and the united states is several times higher than what russia provides, in particular, russia has all the prospects and chances to become a raw material appendage of china, it is difficult to say what strategy china will use in the medium and long term, but rather it is about soft absorption of certain industries economy and certain sovereign industries of russia, but this is a russian concern, accordingly, the perspective of china, in particular, the use of russia is quite broad, a piece is extremely sweet , on the other hand, we understand that putin needs very specific solutions to his problems , in particular, it is about the defense industry, in particular, it is

about the construction of certain defense enterprises by the chinese on the territory the provision of certain technologies to russia, certain engineers. perhaps we understand that in russia, despite all their cheap punts, it is extremely difficult, but china received clear signals from brussels from the berlin and washington say so, don't do it, dear chinese, because it might not be so profitable. what do you think , mr. valery, we are waiting for your forecast of the development of the situation, well, you answered all your questions at once. i think i will just add to this that really economic relations are asymmetric there because the volumes of e-e economy of china and russia are not comparable, let alone

the structure of the economy . this month in february, there were record figures for the supply of oil for all the years of cooperation, and this level of 192 billion is precisely the cooperation that records are broken due to precisely these and these components of raw materials. that is, we can already say that russia is becoming a raw material appendage of china . china, on the other hand, has only 3% of their exports, or rather these goods were imported for 3% of all that is why the influence on china is economic and sanctioned, even they are afraid of this sanctioning influence well , the economic situation in china is not the best

, the forecasts did not come true and indeed the americans and in other countries there are levers of influence, but there is also interdependence, that is, there are no quick solutions here, moreover, no one knows how the world economy will behave in general, that 's all, the whole system, now certain nuances arise from the bank, that is, the credo of shuris, which went bankrupt so unexpectedly, that is everything can be in china, there are problems, i would say of a systemic nature now and they understand that they can close the holes , including russia, how can it be fed to a cow now, but it won't last forever, that's why they need technology or military technology in russia some are more modern than er, well, from soviet times, between the chinese but it was an exhaustive er period, there it is described 5-10 years in terms of missiles, what they are very interested in is the increase of their nuclear potential and carriers, this is what

they can discuss, russia really invested a lot of money in medium- and shorter-range missiles. by the way, this is the main one, in my opinion , will be, well, the chinese-russian direction of conversations of exactly this type . uh china has now set itself a goal, in fact, it does not want to avoid , on the contrary, they openly declare their intention to control the teimut, which has a mutual defense agreement with the united states, so this knot is being tied, and you are right here, there are uh influences uh, china does not want to lose uh, in the chinese tradition, like these 12 points of the plan, you can pull out everything you like like in a buffet, but in reality politics will be done in a completely different way

, their goals are not short-term, what is the difference between our interests and russian and chinese interest, they are long-term everything is fine they think about decades of competition with states of confrontation and cooperation, we need to think about how to minimize the casualties in this war and speed up the de-occupation of our territories in this regard, our interest is very specific and , unfortunately, today the influences that are being signaled towards china are bringing a partial result. well, i think the signal is today, the president of the united states signed a law on disclosure of data on where the virus came from and its artificial origin. well, we understand what kind of signal this is, that is, the consequences of this pandemic were catastrophic, which were i don't know, there are probably trillions of losses, so i think this auction will go ahead and some things that are being discussed in moscow behind

closed doors seem to me to be more related to china's search for additional sources to strengthen its competitive position, as in both economically and militarily at the global level. so this is a one-way street, in fact, towards china. putin is in the most vulnerable position in the entire time, and everyone came to him at this time, but at the same time, he gives what for what it is necessary to pay politically such signals of political isolation will not be allowed, well, it is interesting that russia is whole, as it were, and unchanged in terms of its anti-western position, but it is not interesting as an equal competitor, i.e. , a tripole for education. china will not allow

valeriy, one more such question. to hear the comment, er, the chinese leader season allegedly invited putin to visit china in 2023 , when it would be convenient for putin, and this is happening right after the international criminal court, er, issues an arrest warrant for putin for absolutely specific war crimes. well, we we understand that this warrant is valid in 122 countries that have ratified the rome statute, but at the same time, we understand that some countries that have not ratified it will still be guided by the decision and this arrest warrant. well, it is difficult for me to imagine putin's visit in the states where he is not arrested, it is permissible. yes, but in your opinion, the fact that sisin pin invites him to himself is a kind of curtsy towards such institutions as the international criminal court, as a tribunal that can be

created in the future for putin. well, we we see, the chinese made their choice at this stage, i say that this is the concept of a two-polar world with different rules and different values ​​during the cold war , whoever set it up remembers perfectly how it developed, we are moving, the world is still moving there according to this model, according to this model, different rules and regulations, that is, conclusions about crimes, even the interpretations of the statute are different. look at china and us and the united states, and there the world if a democratic one interprets the un statute differently. and the jurisdiction of this, uh, uh, tribunal is an additional element for him to show his separateness from the other pole of the world. so it is putin who will travel in limited directions . china is very important to him. well, i think that

he is seriously starting to talk about his personal belongings and protection, therefore, in principle yes, he will travel to china, obviously , and this does not mean that he will be able to go to the south african republic, where brics will be in august, where the chinese representative office will be quietly provided for, so that the isolation will be partial, and this is one from gingerbread that china is giving putin now in exchange for absolutely specific things, yes, and we understand. well, i don't even want to guess what the specific things will be, and in particular in our ukrainian dimension, but mr. ambassadors, i would like to ask you about this chinese plan, which is the flag, which is the - there is a facto, but de jure it is not there. so because the clauses are quite empty, they depend on the interpretation. and this will mean that there will be so-called oral annexes, appendices to the chinese of this so-called

peaceful proposal in quotation marks without quotation marks, so very it is difficult to talk about the parameters of that. well, because beijing interprets the norms of international law in a very specific way, so to speak , according to the un charter, and not only and even with common sense, because china insists on territorial integrity, in particular. well, we understand that the territorial integrity of ukraine is a return of our territories under our jurisdiction, the withdrawal of the russian occupation contingents, but also as if he is going to talk to our president volodymyr zelensky and quite it is surprising that similar initiatives did not take place during the full-scale russian invasion . china took a long, long break

, so to speak. first of all, china is bad for official kyiv. of course, we have not been able to directly convey our position to china and our regulation for a long time. well , obviously there is an embassy, ​​but without an ambassador it is it is more difficult to do more than that, the ambassador of china in ukraine also seems to me quite strange, even before such important events, he does not go out publicly, does not say a proposal, it is some kind of ours, and from this side , we do not accept him anywhere in the official structures, neither in the ministry of foreign affairs, nor in the office of the president, well, that is, we have a complete failure , uh, now even in the exchange of information , well, we have different attitudes, different positions in relation to russia, we consider

russia to be the aggressor, ukraine is under attack by the chinese, they want to publicly declare, but the exchange of information the facts must be proven and the fact that there are no such conversations directly between the leaders this is also not the best situation, do we need to beg for this conversation now? i think categorically no categorically no because such a large country as china and a leader who wants to influence the fate of the world if he ignores a conversation with the president of the country that is resisting this influx, if it were not there, then determines how it will be in europe at least , and even in the world, the order will continue and he will decide to recruit or not to recruit, well, listen , this is not the position in which we need now to become because, i will honestly say, to expect any drastic changes in the direction of ukraine from the side of china, in my opinion , he will not become a peacemaker in china, even if you read his

position, it will cause me- it is completely unbalanced and it is absolutely correct that the basic issue of recognition the aggressor and the victim of aggression in relation to the statute of the year, then all the factors that influence your position. but first, the basic things, if you don't publicly admit it, then what kind of peacemaker can you be , so the chinese peacemaker is not an option for us a country that can influence russia do not wave a nuclear club yes, and we think that it was possible to talk seriously about the mechanisms of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons how did ukraine refuse as a country that renounced nuclear weapons has a great right to this china actually also sent its position on the budapest memorandum, i.e. we have a lot to talk about, but uh, i think that such a call as it is called after a visit to moscow is not what we need. in general, i

think that it is possible to have some additional meetings with ukraine at the level of the minister of foreign affairs and then go out for a conversation with the chinese leader, that is, not after moscow or from moscow there is a call . which may arise if even his so-called peace plan or his position there is interpreted like this, that is how the russians do it, that is, for china, in my opinion, it is a geopolitical loss, so we have a lot to talk about, but walk with an outstretched hand i will thank

you, mr. ambassador , for always being a high-quality, reliable and qualified analyst. the most important events, among which, without a doubt, a great conversation between sisinfin and his so-called northern friend, putin, let's go on, let's go on and sum up this hour, we uh, a really important topic, the topic of memory of those who became a victim of russian aggression in ukraine, er, not er, not for nothing, the russian federation kills ukrainians very often, it absolutely deliberately targets people who, er, in whom we, as a country, actually have high hopes, one of such people was volodymyr vakulenko, a writer from kharkiv oblast and kharkiv are currently presenting the diary of volodymyr vakulenko , contact us viktoria melnyk, ukrainian writer, public activist victoria , we congratulate you glory to ukraine i congratulate you as a hero

glory well, we would like to ask you to tell us right away whether there was any information about how the occupiers killed of the writer vakulenko so we understand that his diary - this is an extremely important story after that - let's move on to him, well actually we know vakulenko finally on march 24, 2022, and after we already came to him and took his books away, we ba- i saw his room after searching the room where everything was turned upside down, my friend, and where the books were actually seized, only because they were in the ukrainian language, and this served as proof that he was a nationalist or a nazi, and already on the eve of the kidnapping volodymyr vakulenko understood that they would come after him and take him away for good, and that's why on march 23, 2022, he hid his

diary in the garden, er, it was also probably symbolic, yes. the cherry tree garden is an important symbol for all of us. under a young cherry tree, where i found him already on september 4 , 22nd, after our dear armed forces of ukraine freed the russian invaders with a raisin. truskavets public organization and other caring people help them, but i can't promise that we will find the person who actually killed volodymyr vakulenko with makarov's pistol, it may be difficult, this person is probably no longer alive and again for

the court took care of the fact that this person was already dead, but we will establish the so-called communication command, or not in the team, we will demand that those who are responsible for this crime in the raisin region are punished, these are the four who were possible. these are the ones crimes victoria would like to ask you and how did you come to the idea that it is necessary to search for vakulenko's diary with an elevated position, well actually i came to the capitol but this village near the raisin where volodymyr e lived in order to document the testimony of his parents because his father and his mother are the main witnesses in in this case, they saw how volodymyr was being taken away and i came to investigate, but at the same time when i entered volodymyr's room, i honestly forgot that

now during the war i am an investigator of war crimes and i felt myself a colleague of volodymyr vakulenko, a ukrainian writer, and of course she started talking with volodymyr hryhorovych, the father of the writer volodymyr vakulenko, about what kind of writer his son was, talking about books, about the search during which ukrainian literature was seized, and then volodya's father mentioned the diary because it is clear that for parents volodymyr vakulenko was first of all their son and not a writer, and for them the diary was not so important, but because of the fact that we started to talk about his work in principle that he will be an important symbol for the community, and then vakulinka's father remembered that volodya had asked to hand over the diary and hid it in the loft and said when our people would come from the dosa, i turned out to be ours, well, i guess

they didn't find out before the search for the diary, and after we recorded the testimony, we actually went to the kindergarten to find the diary e p victoria well, we understand that the reading festival on the ladder is entirely dedicated to volodymyr vakulenko and e there will also be a day of poetry and e as i understand the presentation of the diary volodymyr, what will it look like? even a little exotic point of view, yes, this diary is of interest to law enforcement agencies, since it may contain some evidence related specifically to military actions and crimes of russian aggression, on the other hand, it is like... a diary that was written by a writer can show some artistic interest to you, how will it all look and what kind of status does this diary have now, well actually it already looks like this, i am ashamed to speak from the second floor of the literary museum in

kharkiv and on the first floor it is already exhibited diary er i just posted a photo of the diary on the page residence of slovo because i now temporarily live in the house slovo and this is the house in which lived all our most famous writers of the 20s who er died and were destroyed by the soviet regime in 30 -x eh and actually this is a diary eh it is already on display it is now the only available public exhibit of the literary museum in kharkiv eh all other exhibits have been evacuated well these will be exhibited for three days on march 21-22 and 23 volodymyr vakulenko in his diary actually he remembered the day of poetry, it was important to him. well, what is it? actually, remember this day not only he wrote children's books, he actually also wrote adult poetry, he simply became known more as a children's

writer, and it was on the day of poetry that he made the last entry in his diary and wrote these words, which are the first to be published on a social network, they dared to quote the diary, although at that time the fate of volodymyr was still unclear, and he wrote that it seemed to him that even cranes were crowing on the day of poetry, ukraine, everything will be fine, i believe in victory, i will remind you that volodymyr wrote all the words on march 21, 2022. perhaps, after all the successes of our army, it is a sin for us not to believe in victory now in the 23rd year. thank you, mrs. victoria, for your work and for participating in the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel. ukrainian writer, public figure, victoria milina was currently working. on the live air of the espresso tv channel, they talked about the diary of the writer volodymyr vakulenko

, who was tortured by the russian occupiers, the diary was found today. to remind the writer volodymyr vakulenko that volodymyr vakulenko is the author of an incredible children's book dad's book that's what it's called and the stary lev publishing house made another edition of this book. as i understand it, to support the family of volodymyr vakulenko vakulenko, who has sons left , so take advantage of the opportunity and purchase this book for yourself and your children the book is beautiful . and now we will pass the floor to our colleagues from the information editorial office. yes. and after that, in a couple of minutes, we will get back to you, colleagues. the prime minister of japan visited buchi details