[000:00:00;00] i will remind you that the visit itself began yesterday, the axis and putin spent several hours in an informal meeting , or even before the speech, the institute for the study of war says that according to the results of the first day of the visit of the chinese leader, putin received a more restrained vision of russian-chinese relations with xi jinping than he sought. on the streets of moscow , on the occasion of the visit of the chinese president, you could see advertising boards with greetings from the chinese doll and even matryoshka dolls in honor of sisinping, the routers agency asked ordinary russians what they think about the occasion this visit of the hostess is certainly cool for the third term . well done and i am very glad that the president of our country has such a friend

. bending, as they say now, well, time will tell, they also found themselves in such a difficult situation. now, they can be from their own country , too. they will work closely with us, and at the same time, they know eastern customs. be careful and it's so good that he came, it's nice after the re-election for the new term, the first person to come to us means that he still trusts us with all the importance of maintaining relations with at least some neighboring countries, since we have all of europe under sanctions. we hope that this will not be for long. someday our previous position will stop and we will be treated the same way by all the countries of europe, and china is pure for us, it is a friendly country for the time being, and we hope for

further cooperation with them, in the meantime, to kyiv today the japanese prime minister fomiyo ee kishida arrived, the visas were kept a secret until his arrival in the ukrainian capital, footage of the trip appeared on the day of business cards, the japanese prime minister had already visited bucha, russian troops mass -killed the civilian population during the several- week occupation last year, ishida also met with the president of ukraine , volodymyr zelenskyi, in kyiv. previously, the ministry of foreign affairs of japan reported that ishida would express his respect for the courage and perseverance of the ukrainian people who stood up for their of the homeland, it is also expected that kishida and zelenskyi will discuss japan's support for the reconstruction of ukraine. well, kishida himself received an invitation to visit the ukrainian capital from president zelenskyi . she received an online gs7 summit where japan currently presides. the trip of the prime minister of japan to the country where hostilities are ongoing, in addition

, the first visit to ukraine by an asian member of the gseve group, at the same time, the american media draw attention to the simultaneity of the visits the japanese prime minister to ukraine and the chinese president to russia say that this indicates deep disagreements in northeast asia regarding the war in ukraine well, also against the background of the visit of the chinese leader xi jinping to moscow , nato secretary general genstone stoltenberg stopped china from supplying lethal weapons to russia we have not seen any evidence that china is supplying lethal weapons to russia, but we have seen some indications that this was a request from russia and that this issue is being considered in beijing by the chinese authorities. a few weeks before the invasion in february last year the president of russia and president putin met in beijing where they signed a joint declaration promising each other a partnership

without any restrictions and we see how china and russia are getting closer and closer in the military sphere they conduct joint exercises joint patrols sea ​​and air patrols in the economic, as well as in the political and diplomatic spheres, so the meeting in moscow is part of a model where china and russia are cooperating more and more closely and building everything stronger and stronger, well, president volodymyr zelenskyi said that ukraine offered china to take part in its implementation of its peaceful peace formula. and regarding the possibility of a telephone conversation with the leader of the people's republic of china sisinpin , there are no specifics yet, says the ukrainian president about this. he informed at the press conference after the negotiations that you the prime minister of japan fmmido e fomiokisida a-a next i will quote china we have publicly and through diplomatic channels conveyed our formula for peace and we invite you to participate in

this formula we are waiting for a response end of quote well, let me add that in response to a question about a possible telephone conversation with chinese leader xi jinping, zelensky said that there is no concrete confirmation. so far, the leaders of russia and china, vladimir putin and xi jinping, made a joint statement in which they claim that their countries' relations are not military to fly in the union that they do not have a-a for the purpose of block and confrontational a-a confrontational actions well, they are also not directed against third countries, in fact, this joint statement was published on the website of the kremlin. and i will quote the side and note that the relations between russia and china, not being a military-political alliance similar to the alliances formed during the cold war, exceed this form of interstate interaction, at the same time they do not have a bloc confrontational character and are not

directed against third countries end of quotation well, besides, the document states that russian-chinese relations are literally mature stable, sufficient and strong , but the friendship of two peoples, they say, which is passed from generation to generation, has a strong foundation, how strong is it? association of china studies dmytro efremov joins the air dmytro i greet you good evening good evening well, as always, this joint statement of china and russia about a strong foundation between the two countries, is it really true? are these protocol statements for the internal territory, first of all, nothing new year two and five and 10 years ago during the first visit with a shift, nothing in general changes, and these statements are made in a kind of chinese tradition or chinese territory , they are generally for everything good against everything

bad uh, they paint, so to speak the environmental situation in rosy tones and they say that he in china is a good force that helps everyone and we must stick to china's chinese policy and look for opportunities to move in its format and accept its values ​​and worldview p dmytro well, today there are many among our american colleagues drew attention to the fact that the visits of the prime minister of japan to ukraine and the visit of xi jinping to russia took place at the same time . how far is there really a relationship here if they took place at the same time and it was specially organized in this way, that is, i can praise those who managed to organize such a complex thing because well, it seems to me that state-level visits are a high expenditure of resources for the preparation of diplomatic efforts, etc. and so on . if this was a task aimed at us and we

were able to implement it, then for the chinese this gesture is a meeting of volodymyr zelenskyi with the japanese prime minister, she will demonstrate that the chinese have always denied, well, clearly they did not deny it. and in general, they were in the diplomat based on the fact that ukraine is not an independent state, it does not know how and cannot implement its external politics she always does something under the influence of the united states and european countries and therefore listen to her position take her position into account especially during negotiations with russia or to agree and achieve peace is not worth giving priority to the russian federation is worth trying save her face and get out of the situation in such a way that the russian federation does not suffer loss of international image or get out of this situation with minimal losses if we

managed to organize this visit maybe with the assistance of the japanese side maybe with support of the american side, this is a very good success and a very good signal to the chinese to the russians, but dmitriev, well, there are still many conversations about the fact that the conversation between xi and zelensky will take place, taking into account that with the time of the full-scale invasion between the late kyiv and there are already certain contradictions. but there is the fact that china only a year after the russian invasion , he announced his possible role in this war, and for all that time there was no official contact, even when a european made it to you. no, he did not visit ukraine did not meet with our officials, what hopes should be placed on a possible conversation between the leaders of ukraine and the people's republic of china, and whether it should be placed at all, i don't think it should be placed, i even listened to what putin said based on the results of the negotiations with the ringers and he says that the chinese initiative is the chinese peace plan can be laid as a basis for

the beginning of a solution to the situation can be laid as a basis does not mean that russia commits to something and that it is russia that has in mind itself that it is composed of something yes so we see what can be achieved even with the russians it is difficult and almost impossible for the chinese to have any points of contact, the same thing will most likely happen and if everyone calls volodymyr zelenskiy by ringer, if there is a dialogue , the parties will bring their positions to each other and this will end the contact. then why do it for the chinese, the chinese do it and send these bags not for the west, not for ukraine and not for russia, for the chinese these important leadership among the countries of the third world , it is important for them to form a minister of their country who is a peace-loving country between his country takes care of the problems of the ukrainian people, develops, helps them in economic growth and helps them improve the well-being of ordinary people, and

this peace plan, which was announced there, provides for many points that relate to the humanitarian direction and reconstruction and solving the problems of those countries that developed and suffered as a result of the level due to the fact that global chains will be restored and created by the cost of planning chains put thus , china is trying to convince everyone that it and a country that should be oriented in global international relations of leadership and so on understood and you do not believe too much in the effectiveness of zelenskyi's talks even if they take place over the phone and if it does not take place, can this be considered a political diplomatic signal that sino-ukrainian relations have reached a dead end well, they are already there with us, so to speak, well, relations have always returned to trade, and around, let's say

, private initiatives , there were some strategic partnership agreements between us but neither the ukrainian side nor the chinese side were able to fill them with any real significant projects. that's why we existed in such a regime, because it was important for us to preserve this good foundation, a good float for building relations, and china was also going to well and but there was no real need and dependence between our countries, trade was growing. yes , but i think that trade is the lever that can now significantly influence international , ukrainian, ukrainian foreign policy politics, i don't think that because of trade, as some commentators write, china can

push ukraine towards peace, reports that putin did not all sign 2 joint documents in moscow, and the first is a statement about plans for economic cooperation, and the second about plans for an in-depth partnership, if you translate such a dry protocol language , what can these documents be about, plans for partnership will concern, let's say, outside the economic direction, well, in the economy, maybe they will develop, deepen, accumulate , improve everything that already exists and everything that and would have developed without this meeting regarding partnership, they can deepen the partnership regarding the development of some international institutions alternative to those that exist now in the system of international relations, it may be some in the chinese but not chinese a-bank shos-b-bank brics which were formed in order to help in economic development, it can be some additional institutions of an observational nature

, some additional missions and so on, that is , what will help the chinese to build an alternative system of world institutes, and in fact russia will help china to move in this direction and achieve certain successes, especially among those countries that are third world countries, that are developing countries and for which development is the most urgent task, then the nato secretary general and gens stolter verga were favored and he was actually there warned china against supplying weapons to russia, let's listen to the quote, i will ask a question next, a quote from janz soltonberg, uh, if we don't have it , let me tell you in my own words , it's about the fact that we don't have evidence

that china is supplying weapons to russia in return. we have all the reasons to believe that russia nevertheless asked. so the next question is what do you think china's decision to supply weapons to russia will depend on . see if we know about the fact that russia asked for this means that it has a lot of intelligence tools that are effective enough to find out what such requests are, therefore , based on the results of this meeting that is taking place in now we will also hopefully be able to find out whether or not we, let's say , the intelligence of western countries will be able to find out whether there was the achievement of some kind of consensus and some kind of agreements with the nature of the supply of weapons. of course, this is not a desirable scenario for us, and i think that if such agreements were reached, then they will be canceled first of all not from the weapons themselves as such dual-use goods of some kind

machine tools, precision instruments, measuring instruments , and so on, which is now under sanctions, which is not supplied in russia, but they desperately need it for the production of weapons. it is very important to avoid the images of a country that is a participant in the conflict, that has appeared on the windows of russia, that supplies russia with weapons that essentially undermine the approach of peace. this is where the oil floats, as the chinese themselves say regarding the policy of the united states in relation to ukraine, that is, i mean to put so er, the iranian experience . i hope china will teach and demonstrate that any attempts to supply weapons will be impossible to hide. and as soon as it is proven, this fact will be used against other china and china will complicate the situation this is soft power with tools of soft influence in developing countries

, which for china is an object of interest for obtaining leadership well, in general, the role of china in the russian-ukrainian war is reduced to more well, in particular, in the confrontation with the united states or to strengthening of the domestic economy due to the economic exhaustion of russia due to the war due to cheap resources, you know that russia itself supplies cheap resources, that is, the chinese could not have asked for it, but it was, so to speak , the internal driver of the russian federation, yes if it will now be possible to make money from russia, and in fact this is happening not only by importing energy to china, but also other resources supplied by russia, china will indeed benefit from this, but with regard to how the situation should unfold, how the parties should behave, china is leaving its own geopolitical interests, and these already political

interests are very often determined by the generally internal chinese approach to international politics, by their tradition of their culture , their very identification, and this is not the kind of politics that we are used to in the traditional to the western understanding, it has its own characteristics, its own aspects in china. what, for example, to call a specific situation, specific culprits , a specific circumstance, and a specific obligation to prescribe, and so on, all these statements, they have always been. this is not now, so china is trying to hide and not confuse itself in the war in russia against ukraine is always a traditional classical chinese policy in relation to any cases of similar situations and it is not particularly different and it comes just more in my opinion from the internal chinese there

traditions, the idea of ​​how relations should be built is not the same as in the west, the goal should be directed in a different way, that is to achieve harmony, in order to achieve harmony, it is necessary to avoid quarrels, disputes, conflicts, complaints, there are courts , accused and so on, that is, the chinese are very good from the point of view diplomacy as those who can prevent the computer, but if the conflict arose with chinese experience and little access stories began mr. dmytro , thank you very much for joining the broadcast dmytro efremov to the expert of the ukrainian association of chinese studies was in direct contact with us in the kyiv-pechersk lavra, they are checking how the museum exhibits are preserved, in particular, there are still saints, because of this they say in the ministry of culture that access to temples and caves was temporarily blocked. well , they reminded us that the day before, the management of the reserve sent the uoc mp monastery a letter that access to the near and far caves will be stopped due

to the work of the commission. well, i would like to remind you that a video message appeared on the website of the uoc mp in the evening in which the clergy complain that they were denied access to the cave with the relics in the kyiv-pechersk lavra and they call it literally an unprecedented manifestation of the restriction of the rights of ukrainian believers. what is currently happening in the lavra? how do the parishioners of the uoc mp themselves feel about it? my colleague roksolana bychay found out. she is with us on direct communication with roksolana. hello, please tell me what is happening in the lavra today. well, how are they actually reacting? on what is happening locally yes, hello, i will start . probably, after all, with the commission that took place today in the kiev-pechersk lavra, which was conducted by the ministry of culture of ukraine, actually, i managed to communicate already after

this commission's research has ended, it was possible to communicate with one of the priests who serve in these nearby caves, in particular, and where the commission's inspections took place. he said that they inspected the icons there and various property, he called it something like a census of property and an inspection of what was there actually, he said that it lasted for about an hour and a half, that is, up to two hours at most. well, after that , access was opened for believers and for everyone who wanted to enter these caves and other objects that were closed during the inspection of the commission. that is, it didn't even last several hours, but for an hour and a half, everything was happening. we can listen to him and what he told us today on the territory of the lavra. and it was reported that some work was being done here. the commission has already

ended. yes, yes. and what were they doing here? what was happening well, are they there something in the description, are there icons that there is something, yes, i think that it is from the ministry of culture, but that they will be so, so, and actually, if the commission took place today , this inspection was done, and it ended literally there in a short time period of time this is a topic that is being discussed more deeply and more widely now on the territory of the pechersk lavra and among the clergy of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, namely that the reserve national reserve kyiv-pechersk lavra did not renew the lease agreement from the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and by march 29 , the clergy must leave

the kiev pechersk lavra and actually leave there , in particular i will remind that yesterday the leaders of the uoc mp came to the president's office with a request to meet with volodymyr zelenskyi and discuss this, because they are unhappy that they will have to leave the kyiv-pechersk lavra after all, the president did not meet with them after two waits. she explained this by the fact that he already had a schedule. well, there was no meeting with the priests in it that's why it was not possible to meet. well, judging by what we saw today, they are leaving the lavra at least packing things. already seminarians, we have seen that they take away books, bookshelves, personal belongings, sofas, furniture into sinks, we even saw how the priests themselves also take out their belongings, some people pack them in suitcases and then in the trunks of cars and leave like that. well, someone just

took these things out with travel bags or with packages. that is , the atmosphere is already hmm quite revealing on the territory of the kiev-pechersk lavra. well we also saw a truck being loaded with pallets of some kind of property, unfortunately it was not possible to see what kind of property it was, because it was packed , of course, no one allowed us to unpack it, moreover, when our film crew i tried to ask what kind of property this is. well, why film this moment? hmm, actually, i will take these things out. they prevented us from doing their work . they covered the camera with their hands. that i am prohibited by law, because this is obstructing the activities of journalists . furniture, where is this, and here we live, we are seminarians, we are studying, and are you preparing

to leave, or what are you packing for, guys, the closet, i understand, we are just taking out our books from the academic library. until the 29th i think that we will take it out to save it all, think that we will still have to leave by the 29th, then you are already doing it , we are just taking out our property , he is eating бурчения everything is necessary, we are from the region of kyiv state, you came to visit the lavra and volosyn to take pechersky no all yes, that's all roksolana, i

thank you for the material roksolana buchayeva , a colleague was with us on direct communication well, just now, the minister will need our air of culture and information policy oleksandr tkachenko p oleksandr my greetings good evening well actually my colleague told me that according to the testimony of the abodes themselves, so to speak, of the kiev-pechersk lavra , this audit lasted 1.5-2 hours at most, is the audit already known, can we talk about the preliminaries or maybe even the final results of this inspection or everything is in place , let us be interested. we looked at what was taken away , they did not say everything. from what we know , boilers, tables, and everything else, and also tried to bring out some other things that uh not to the lavra, not to the specific leaders of the metropolis, but the citizens have raised

funds for the lavra to live, how were we? they are taking away this property. this still needs to be sorted out separately. our main task was to preserve the property of the states. this is actually the museum fund , which is why it started working today. commission in nizhniy in the upper lavra and also to understand how they used the property for many years ago, today, so to speak, these cars that leave there still need to separately understand how the actual people who donated funds for the lavra not by a specific monk, not by paul, not by antonym, how is this pronounced? and as for the state property that you mentioned, what will happen if it turns out that certain things are missing, if it does not count, and again

, are there already audit results, at least preliminary, this is criminal responsibility, the actual activity the commission , which includes security forces, must be completed by the 29th, and then we will make public what is being taken out . are there museum exhibits among the things that are currently being taken out of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, or is someone checking these cars are on the way out, how is this project going in general? i think i think it is out of the question, there are questions about a-and we are also in the caves, but now we have access to the caves blocked, and therefore i hope that nothing criminal will happen, but if something happens

criminal responsibility will come immediately, that is, until the beginning, it is closed, just otterti clarify which caves are being talked about, and we are talking about uh, nearby caves. as far as i know, as of 6:00 p.m., access there was closed , and what, actually, we are talking about those things now which may not be accounted for, what will be the consequences and what will be done with those and extra , so to speak, illegal structures that appeared on the territory of the lavra during the hospitalization there of the uoc mp, you know from the information that i receive it it is quite strange that they cut off the boilers in those premises that they built up the plaster, they are doing something well, we need to check this, this is the information that has from different sources, so to speak, but it needs to be fixed, so to speak, and to understand how they understood

the use of the lower power, and this is the state the language and all illegal buildings should be confiscated , mr. oleksandr well, in 8 days the representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church of ukraine must leave the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, they have already stated their disagreement with such a decision . are there the first results of such a proposal, have the monks of the ukrainian orthodox church agreed to it, this is a delicate process, it takes place from the point of view of communication between e-e churchmen and religious organizations. we cannot to intervene in this process from another point of view, we understand that the current leadership of the pcmp yesterday stood there for two hours on plastic near the presidential administration near the president's office and tried to prove something, but they had time throughout this year of war