[000:00:00;00] the use of the lower lavra and that is the state government and all illegal buildings must be confiscated , mr. oleksandr well, in 8 days the representatives of the uoc mp must leave the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, in fact , they already stated their disagreement with such a decision. and you voiced the options for which the monks can stay leave only the leadership of the ukrainian orthodox church , perhaps there are already the first results of such a proposal, have the monks of the ukrainian orthodox church agreed to it, this is a delicate process, it takes place from the point of view of communication between by religious organizations. we cannot interfere in this process from another point of view. we understand that the current leadership of the pcmp stood there for two hours yesterday on plastic near the presidential administration near the president's office and tried to prove something, but

they had time throughout this year of war to show that they are not an affiliate of the kremlin, they didn't do it, oleksandr well, i can't help but ask today in the verkhovna rada they voted on a bill that provides for exams for acquiring ukrainian citizenship, there is an exam on the basics of the constitution of the history of the state language, i wanted to clarify who will manage this process, if possible briefly, your department or the one of education , it will manage, respectively, all those who will be involved in the process of control over the acquisition of citizenship, actually, the border service and other departments, but i would like to emphasize that today was several projects related to culture were also approved, this project is related to the fact that it would be possible, according to the law

, to move monuments related to pushkin in languages ​​from urban and other languages to speak oleksandr i'm sorry, this is a separate topic, we invite you to a conversation and a separate interview, thank you, unfortunately we have to say goodbye oleksandr tkachenko , the minister of culture, information policy, was in direct contact with us and friends, well, finally, we will share a new radio project svoboda will be live from tomorrow radio svoboda morning er ra- svoboda morning so join us at nine in the morning outside kyiv well , that's when i'll say goodbye to you, don't forget to subscribe to radio svoboda's youtube channel

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any case speak seriously. now there is a tour of putin's doppelgängers through the cities of crime and hay. political expert and people's deputy of the fourth convocation if i'm not mistaken mr. volodymyr i congratulate you congratulations mr. vasyl yes, for some reason we have a black screen now everything and in one denisenko executive director of the ukrainian institute of the future and writer mr. vadim i congratulate you i congratulate you three i have already said such topics, the nasty putin tour , he is a city of crimes and hay worship grief, but i still want to start with the story with janko, which happened last night, because it is so important and i think that you will tell me more why it is important that we hit that city, which is such a nodal station of the whole crimea, since the nodal station

in ukraine , let's say, is the city of zhmerinka. that's more you won’t go in any case, some drones that sounded like the moon sometimes flew over ukraine and targeted certain points in dzhankoi v. vadim, there are two anyway , first ask a question and where is the symbolism in this impression of enemies on the territory occupied crimea and how much practicality is there, again, in this attack on e in this attack on dzhankoy, please absolutely calculate and we must understand what all the railways of crimea that go from crimea to e-e now the occupied territory of ukraine in

in principle, they agree on the budget, they complain about the key station for uh, in principle, any transfer uh, either towards the occupied territories of ukraine, or vice versa, from these territories, uh, to sevastopol, uh, something by railway because of what was inflicted at least in principle it has already been confirmed that four strikes were made on the railway infrastructure and that an extraordinary start was announced today to announce that there is a power outage in the uh-junk and there are problems with the running of trains, that says it all about what really this is not a symbolic blow. the speech was clearly a blow aimed at the deterioration of the logistical capabilities of the russian federation. i think that in principle, through another way, let's not forget that there is a statement of our hormone, where it was said that including there was a blow to russian calibers with the caliber that was being transported to the occupied court and

here, by the way, i think that of course it is on the one hand excellent, excellent work of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine. i think that there is also excellent work from on that side well, keep the information about when, how, where exactly and at what time the calibers will be transported. well, you need to have a fairly deep drilling, so to speak, into the enemy in the enemy forces in order to have this information , so here we can only thank and applaud our specialists who were able to obtain this information and actually strike in time. vladimir, i will ask you. i think that you have seen the reaction of the russians in the crimea, well , it is possible that the ukrainians who lived there before the occupation, in any case, the people who now live in the territory of the crimea, their reaction here are these blows and some said that it was khokhlya, again some other things did not get there, and others said that it was necessary to shoot from a gun at

drones. and faith in the power of the russian army. these are the blows, please. i heard something. well, the engines on the communication line are such iranian ones without the expertise, and the main thing is that the infantry shot at us with an automatic machine . it was strange because -e endured the railway junction is not covered against the correct fight i want remind me that there is a place where the aviation that flies here zaporizhzhia has been interrupted, that's why it seems to me that the markings will report what happened there from the airfield, yes, then let's discuss this topic briefly, we will follow the events , again, this is important, and if the russians were really affected, this caliber is shows that the enemy is not covered, the enemy is actually

defenseless against our blows. and even more so , the tension between the people in the enemy and in the society aggressive towards us increases due to the transition to counter-offensive actions on the part of of the armed forces of ukraine, in particular, this was confirmed by yesterday's opinion, which was written by this head of the pvk wagner, his own handsome man , to the minister of defense of russia, sheik, where he said that it would be necessary to cover us because you can cut us off and surround us with divisive strikes, and this will not help in the strength of the russian army, when, well, in one word, he says that we can get surrounded, so please help us, this also shows that not everything is so good with them, and now let's move on to the corrupt putin, and i'm here first of all, i will ask you a question, mr. vadim. it seems to me, again, this is my opinion that, firstly, for putin, it was an unexpected

uh story with gaga, and secondly, uh, that he feels more humiliated than uh than scared although it may seem so to me, here is putin’s personal reaction and his vision of himself in the future with this and this black mark, how do you comment on it , please, well, it was definitely completely unexpected for him, that is, he never thought that, in principle, someone would dare to announce to vote for him an international search, yes, this is definitely a humiliation for him, and here we must understand what putin is afraid of psychologically, most of all, in words , he is most afraid, in practice, he is afraid of being humiliated, and that's normal. another blow will be on his psyche in principle, they are scared anyway, and anyway, well, everything we saw , i understand that we will still talk about those who went from mariupol to sevastopol, but in principle

, his fear is simply off the scale, that is, there has probably never been such a cowardly tsar in the russian empire. it's just me i can’t remember a single russian tsar who would have been so frightened at any stage of his life. but if we talk about the gas solution, then we must understand that this is not only a message from putin, but also from the russian elite in the summer and everyone was told about it. that your future with putin does not exist, you simply do not have any future as long as vladimir putin is in power, so from this point of view, of course, this is an additional scare for putin, because he understands that he needs to be monitored, in a year there will be a double by force, because uh, if before that, he basically just looked at it as uh, the declaration of sanctions on his oligarchs and his subordinates and, in principle, he just looked after that. now his subordination is looked at for that. and what will happen

next? actually speaking of putin, they have now announced an international manhunt, but i will repeat it again. this is a message, first of all, for the elites . it is a pity to talk about the fact that in the near future there will be some riots, coup d'états, and so on. no, we cannot do that, but the fact that the tension will increase that the elites will to be serious enough, it was and i will think that many of them will start to think how they can leave the country in principle, how can they hide their money somewhere in other countries, these processes will definitely continue, volodymyr, mr. volodymyr will be with us by phone, my father is having some problems with video communication, well, in any case , we will hear from you, mr. volodymyr. and what do you think after receiving it? well, first of all, in your opinion , again, in your opinion, what happened besides the fact that, of course, the ukrainian side is very active helped in the preparation of this decision provided the materials but we all understand that the materials may be enough and the decision may not be the same as with sweden and

finland regarding their accession to nato supposedly everything is ready and to add well how can you not join well there is a problem with turkey and so on but we understand that there are always certain prerequisites for the provision of weapons to ukraine, as well as the provision of weapons. everyone understands that they were needed, but for the first three months, ukraine fought with what it could there, and now we are waiting for the planes. everyone understands that they are needed but we still won't get them in the same way with this gas decision and it could have been ready but it could not have been announced. vladimir , in your opinion, again, what happened to the trigger that was pulled and what did it give this push and gaga announced putin as an international wanted man, please, it seems to me that this is an effort by russia itself, we saw this very revealing story, the person involved in the case of the children of the ombudsman, lviv bilova, reported to putin that how many children were taken out of

ukraine, that she personally, everything is novel a boy from ukraine, and this was, in fact, a self-revelation for the world, because it was an announcement about her crime by the russian authorities and they did not respond. and that’s exactly what all these articles are. well, let’s say that this is the jurisdiction of the international criminal court, and there they couldn’t not respond to the way russia economizes on its crimes, the way it plays the trump card, it really became the last , so to speak, er, well, it was the straw that broke the camel's back, so we can say that putin does not just commit crimes, he himself also prepares the basis for international criminal charges the court, we will now listen to what they say, what they say about the yes

, let's listen to what they say, the decision of the court of the international criminal court in gaza, let's listen to this action that was taken by the international hunger court. the reverse effect, that is , in reality, our president received even more support in our country, and it is very good, that is, this propagandist was obviously a court decision, he is, instantly, mr. vadim knows how to conduct social research, sociological research, well, vadim probably did not reach the roots and the ukrainian institute of the future, because this propagandist apparently in a few minutes conducted a sociological study throughout russia and said that putin received support from the russians , and here this is important now, how can we say that with this decision, in fact, the west has cut putin off from any of the west in principle, and now

we will move on - well, we will move on later to the conversation about hissing, in fact, he does not have only one direction eh regarding china has everything here been thought out and do we have any hope that either putin will be delivered to gaga or somehow the elites will those states that have their own views on russia try to remove putin from the government or vice versa he will become he will strengthen its position a-a total terror will be even more total, please mr. vadim well, if you allow me, in principle, i would first like to answer your previous question eh why was actually eh this decision made if we look at it from a political point of view vision, starting from about december in the western summers, there was a change in their territory, in principle, no matter who you talked to, everyone talked about the fact that we are afraid of what will happen after putin, because after putin, someone may even come worse than putin. and we understand

putin since december, and it became especially clear during the munich security conference. the western elites began to say the following. war with appeared a problem, and the physical or political death of putin is a window of opportunity for a whole tangle of these problems, so actually speaking, the western elites have matured to the point that in fact the key key and the main problem of everything that is happening now is vladimir putin, so from this point of view and if we are talking about the political aspect of this decision, of course, there are of course first of all legal things, then it is from this point of view that it is necessary to look at uh, why a political decision was made at this time regarding putin. if we talk about the situation inside russia, unfortunately, we must understand that now russian society is largely in a state of apathy, that is

, in fact, they have come to terms with everything. what is happening , de facto russian society is now divided into two large parts part - these are the conditional one and a half million people who are in the army plus relatives, their relatives and these people, in principle, as society believes, wearing a military uniform equals receiving a death ticket and, in principle , they influence us on topics and these people wearing this the form falling under the mobilization is possible and there is also plus four, the submobilization will not apply, it will not apply to the main part of society, this is the main part of society, they have come to terms with what is happening, they have fallen into apathy and, frankly, so far in the near future for them, there is a solution yes and no will play some important or important role , so unfortunately for now we can talk

about the fact that there are some complicated processes brewing in russia. oil sanctions are making the life of russians a little worse and indeed budget problems will catch up with them against all this in 2023, but unfortunately and i can say once again that this propagandist does not even do sociology in general, he is right, that is, in essence , talking about what is now will putin's support go after this decision among us , no, we can't, do the elites, the upper middle class, understand that in fact they are being led to a mortgage, they are being led to turn it on, yes, they understand it perfectly, but so far they are still afraid to say anything against it. it's me now, against the background of this, i want to immediately move on to the topic of the visits of putin's doubles, why am i talking about doubles, because, actually , this photo of putin in the kremlin was not posted on the internet in my opinion. it was february, then putin in

mariupol in march, and also putin in sevastopol and it's in appearance as they say, it's three different people, well, at least putin in moscow is definitely not a little different from putin in mariupol, er, in sevastopol it's completely different well, in mariupol, too, it's a little bit different, besides, i wrote about the fact that before his bulletproof vest was sweaty and sweaty gave out in him the excitement of the experience. well, in any case, there is reason to say that these were doubles after all, but in any case, this tour took place in mariupol first of all, and let's now listen to how the russian propagandists commented or how did they present to their society why putin went to the city of a terrible crime that he actually initiated and the russian army implemented it. residential houses

try not to mention it. why? well, he clearly made it clear that this is all. вы when will you restore it, yes, of course not, it should show concrete basements , where still, where the corpses were left lying there, or what kind of drama theater was there, where hundreds of people were killed? putin went to mariupol, what was it like, you know how in the movie briantovaya rukka, tomorrow i had enough for fishing, i didn’t have enough time to go, it ’s the same and here it looks like i had enough, i went to mariupol, but in any case, the presentation of this trip well, we’ll see later communication communication with people let's start with the presentation of this trip well, this kornilov is a former by the way, a political scientist who worked here in ukraine well, this is how he commented, please, mr. volodymyr, well, we can say that before putin and

, well, collective putin before the visit, everyone it was necessary to show that he is real without it, and not simulators eh and eh. this trip , frankly, judging by the various assessments of putin's state of health, the maiden of the bunker period is such uh, well, such a voyage on the eve of very difficult negotiations with si. what does the production look like because, judging by many sources of putin's health, voyage does not allow him to do such things, which means, well, it was visible. by the way, by the way and by all these mistakes, this is some kind of unnatural, non -putin mimicry, and it really looked like such a stupid production if you put it on the algorithm how many activities of putin where is he?

is moving, then this is not a typical activity for him, uh, well, obviously it was very important for them to demonstrate to everyone that they were in full control of the situation, but most likely it was, well, such a rather historical gesture , which, more in the expert environment, gave rise to more such irony and ridicule between real assessment of this trip, mr. vadim. how would you rate putin's trip? of course, zelensky went to bakhmut, where the fighting took place. putin, of course , did not go to bakhmut. well, he went to mariupol, again, to the scene of the crime, and how you will comment. is this in connection with more on the eve of the visit of sisipin? or, after all, as a reaction to the announcement of the decision regarding gaga , he said, well, i not only kidnapped children . he wanted to tell the judges and i also killed tens of thousands of people in mariupol, and the russians themselves

they say that there are uh well, the russians are good, let's say nivzorov says about 100,000 killed , i don't think that there is a figure of 100,000 well, but if you take the brothers with the military and in general, it could be well, he came yes, and not only kidnapped my grandfather killed children and destroyed their parents here in mariupoli came here, please. vadim, your opinion. well, i think that the first thing is that it is the anniversary of all of crimea and not to go to crimea on this day, even though he didn't want this trip. he couldn't. the second point, obviously, it was still necessary to interrupt the informational topic of the garaga and it was necessary to be at some louder more important more important event and the third, perhaps, the most important moment of putin during this year regarding putin piskov during this year , i was asked several times only four times when putin finally visits the er annexed territories and i tell her all the time that

later, later, in principle, putin has de facto already entered the election campaign. we must understand this. uh, and in principle, it was not only him who was blamed in general. during this election campaign, i should have asked, uh, well , people live there, uh, the president doesn't go , that's why, as a matter of fact, the decision was made to make this kind of, uh, really, a suffocating visit when he appeared in the middle of the night in mariupol before him they put seven or eight er-er proven er-er quilters who, in principle, should have sung their praises and he immediately therefore from this point of view i thought that he had completed a key task for himself, he showed that he was allegedly brave that he allegedly came to the occupied territories and now not a single journalist is actually russian, at least foreign ones will of course ask, but not a single russian

journalist will ask in the coming months. and when putin visits the occupied